Why not Teixeira?
Look out Braves fans it's trading season. Let the unsubstantiated, Schuerholz-never-shows-his-hand rumors fly! The player that has caught my attention lately is some guy in Texas. No, not Kevin Millwood, the Rangers can keep his bloated salary and the rest of the years left on it. I'm talking about former Georgia Tech infielder turned Ranger first baseman, Mark Teixeira.
He's a switch-hitting slugging first baseman with above average defense. He would give us the cleanup hitter we've needed since the first season we had Andres Galarraga. No, Andruw Jones is not a cleanup hitter - never was, never will be. In our batting order he is out of position. He doesn't hit with men on base; the last three years he has a .279 BA with none on, a .245 BA with runners on, a .236 BA with runners in scoring position, and a .229 BA with runners in scoring position with two out. Of course, all of this is not to say that Teixeira would be a better cleanup hitter, he has traditionally been a number 3 hitter. But I'll take a number 3 hitter masquerading as a cleanup hitter faster than I will take a number 6 hitter masquerading like Jones has been. Besides, we've got another Jones who is mature enough of a hitter now to hit fourth with the same success he has hitting third.
One of the big knocks on Teixeira is that his agent is the dreaded Scott Boras, but when we're talking about Teixeira over Andruw Jones, that problem really doesn't amount to a hill of beans - or a hill of money. Boras will attempt to get AJ all the money he can this off-season, and he will attempt to do the same next after next season when Teixeira can become a free agent. So in that sense, which one would you rather have? The one you have to dole out big bucks to now, or the one you would have a whole year to try and sign for a discount before you may indeed have to dole out big bucks.
I say go full-bore after Mark Teixeira! And what would the Rangers want in return? Well, they could use some pitching. They don't have a single starter with an ERA under 5.00. Okay, throw them one of our lefties - Reyes, Harrison, or Smith. What else would they need? Well, they have absolutely no catching at the major league level, and their minor leagues don't seem to be producing any talent at the catching position. Okay, throw them Salty. Wow! That's a lot for us to give up for Mark Teixeira, isn't it? How about one of their crafty relievers to further bolster our pen, after all they do have the third-best bullpen ERA in the AL, so they've got several to choose from, and those discussions have apparently already started.
Yes, we would give up a great catching/first base "prospect" and a good pitching "prospect," but what are they doing for us now? Give them up and we've got a year and a half of Teixeira and the choice of signing him verses Andruw. This also puts us in the driver's seat when it comes to the Jones negotiations this winter. We won't be held up against a wall by Boras and made to give up more than we should in salary because of the prospect of losing our "cleanup hitter."
So that's the first move I'd make before the deadline, but there are several more...
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I see
by was385 on Jul 20, 2007 9:13 AM EDT 0 recs
I agree...
by jenkins on
Jul 20, 2007 9:52 AM EDT
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We did it...
by gondeee on
Jul 20, 2007 9:57 AM EDT
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Agree on Tex...
Smoltz and Chipper are coming to the end of their careers. I think Andruw will be gone after this year. Bobby has already indicated that last year may be his last, and JS will probably follow him out the door. Isn't it time to try to make a move right now?
I know it seems difficult to believe that any NL team will be able to handle the AL this year, but shouldn't the team put its best chance forward right now with all those guys leaving soon? I don't think trading Salty and one of our many young pitchers is going to hurt the team's development in the long run. In a couple of years, this is going to be a very young team regardless of who we trade this year, and as fans we probably will have to deal with some mediocre years.
by KLB on
Jul 20, 2007 10:50 AM EDT
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We needed offense though
by was385 on
Jul 20, 2007 1:13 PM EDT
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I understand, but...
Furthermore, offense is not the problem of this team. Starting pitching is the problem. So, if we are trading Salty, which I highly doubt it will happen anyway, the Braves will get a young and cheap starting pitcher in return like Ian Snell. Tex sounds nice, but it sounds more like fantasy league move.
by kc on Jul 20, 2007 10:20 AM EDT 0 recs
..I just want to know..
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 10:54 AM EDT
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Well...
As a note, if people think my packages are too steep, remember what we gave up for Drew. I personally think that they might be a bit light, but who knows? I would prefer to keep Salty and address our needs, but I'm with gondeee...Tex and Otsuka, if we can get them in a package deal, is something I would highly consider if we didn't have to give up both Salty and Escobar. Even if we did, I would think long and hard about it.
by Something Profound on Jul 20, 2007 10:40 AM EDT 0 recs
Also...
by Something Profound on
Jul 20, 2007 10:44 AM EDT
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Otsuka
Why bolster the pen with a guy who's having arm problems and is currently on the DL?
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 10:55 AM EDT
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Ah.
by Something Profound on
Jul 20, 2007 11:00 AM EDT
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Yeah...
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 11:14 AM EDT
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Salty...
I guess our opinions differ from how we view Salty. I view him to be as special as Frenchy and McCann.
by kc on Jul 20, 2007 10:58 AM EDT 0 recs
Frenchy?
I think it's about time that Frenchy loses some of his hometown goodwill.
by KLB on
Jul 20, 2007 11:04 AM EDT
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JC
by KLB on
Jul 20, 2007 11:08 AM EDT
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Frenchy not special?
Another point that you made about Frenchy not being special is by comparing his and Andruw's OPS. I agree when you look at that number (which is supposed to be the most important stat in baseball) it makes you cringe. Once my initial cringe was over, I thought about it and scoffed because this comparison needs to be broken down more in order to really shed some light.
Jones/Francoeur
Avg/OPS
RISP = .231/.814 .360/.901
2out RISP = .204/.923 .350/.935
Late & Close = .224/.712 .327/.768
Tie Game = .227/.720 .345/.912
Within 1 run = .221/.726 .313/.821
Time Facing Opponent (Starting Pitcher) in game
.238/.769 .216/.605
.203/.671 .298/.748
.278/.861 .359/1.009
So, Francoeur's overall OPS might not be as high as Andruw's, but as is undeniablly proven by the stats above, Francoeur is a much better hitter in crucial/high pressure at bats.
Overall, being only 23 and being as clutch as he has been, I would have to consider him as more than special.
by whunt13 on
Jul 20, 2007 3:13 PM EDT
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Nice
by gondeee on
Jul 20, 2007 3:39 PM EDT
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No man crush...
by kc on Jul 20, 2007 11:00 AM EDT 0 recs
I just don't see it...
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 11:15 AM EDT
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tex
We also have Jamey Wright who's been pitching well lately we could package him and Tex for some of your prospects. Whats the Braves fan point of view?
by spriteman on Jul 20, 2007 11:14 AM EDT 0 recs
Erm...
Regarding CJ Wilson: never say never. I agree with you on Salty vs. Tex, but Salty isn't 'just' a prospect. He's a major league ready switch hitting catcher. Yes, Tex is now, but Salty is as safe of a bet as any out there for rebuilding teams. Its just that in Atlanta, we think we have the team to win now, and we can afford to trade Salty if it would get us someone like Tex or a impact young pitcher.
Jamey Wright: no thanks, from my perspective. We've got pieces that are his equal and younger.
by Something Profound on
Jul 20, 2007 11:39 AM EDT
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i agree
Over here we have been sucking for years from failed trades (Chris Young,A-gone,for Otsuka and Eaton) To ridiculus signings (CHAN HO PARK.) But now JD has a lot of pressure on him to make a can't miss trade or its his head.
I think that if the Braves acquire Tex and lets say Benoit by giving up Salty and some spare arms that don't tinker that much with the big league roster, it would be the favs to win it all. Bolster a pretty good bullpen and get an impact bat.
However i could tell you that Texas fans will not be pleased, they want a Justin Upton or Phil Hughes for any Tex trade. Not gonna to happen.
by spriteman on
Jul 20, 2007 12:32 PM EDT
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I'd be against
by supesk6 on Jul 20, 2007 11:41 AM EDT 0 recs
Banged up Mets
by surge on Jul 20, 2007 11:57 AM EDT 0 recs
Its not trading Salty that gets me...
If we are going to make a run, we need more than a #1 with nagging injuries, a #2, a #4 and 2 by definition only #5s. If we can turn Escobar into a #3 or very good #4 with a prospect or two I might reconsider, but otherwise you're wasting our best chip on acquiring a short term player with the same strengths.
Sure Tex helps next year, bc Andruw will be gone, but our rotation is in the same or more trouble then. He won't save us enough money compared to Andruws current salary to get a decent CF and SP. I'd also argue our position player depth (Lillibridge, Brandon Jones, and in a while Kaaihue and Schafer) is a lot stronger than our SP depth (just Harrison and Reyes) over the next two years
by abravesfan on Jul 20, 2007 1:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Well
by rockybull on Jul 20, 2007 1:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Chipper at first
by gondeee on Jul 20, 2007 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
sussshhh!
by torchy on
Jul 20, 2007 2:33 PM EDT
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I'm on board with a Chipper move to 1st
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 2:42 PM EDT
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a twist
by ryan c on Jul 20, 2007 2:50 PM EDT 0 recs
Otsuka..
by Rain Delay on
Jul 20, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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I think its obvious
by yondaime4 on
Jul 20, 2007 3:16 PM EDT
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Oh right
by yondaime4 on
Jul 20, 2007 5:24 PM EDT
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Thursday...
That would have to have been some kind of mental break down..
by jjschiller on Jul 20, 2007 6:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Different Approach
Is this too much? Maybe. Salty is the biggest chip and the Braves need pitching more than anything else, but there isn't that much SP out there to get, but I'm going to throw one out there..Erik Bedard from Baltimore. Looks like he has 2.5 years until free agency, but it may not be a good fit unless the Braves can convince the O's that Salty is a first baseman. However as a hypothetical, the same three players mentioned above for Bedard? I'd think about it for sure.
You can also just think about trying to acquire the best bullpen in the league. Basically get your starters to go 5 or 6 and go to the shut-down pen. This will cost less as well (at least I believe). Guys like Lidge (I know, I know, but look at his numbers this year), Dotel, Otsuka might be available (as well as provide insurance for Wickman..yuck). The Royals are asking the farm for Dotel right now, but that will have to come down. In this scenerio (not necessarily these guys), I think the Braves improve themselves for the Playoff run AND the playoffs where the bullpens will come into play heavily and also don't give up their biggest chip..Salty, for which they could save until the off-season when they could get a better return.
by Stook on Jul 20, 2007 6:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Shoot
by Stook on
Jul 20, 2007 6:58 PM EDT
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How about..
by Stook on
Jul 20, 2007 7:01 PM EDT
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Makes no sense at all.
Thats a move the Yankees can make.. "We'll pay more to have it now." The Braves can't afford those kinds of moves... You don't trade Salty for a guy just like him who's going to walk in a year.
The Braves traded for JD Drew a few years back... But they didn't trade Francoeur for him. That wouldn't have made any sense.
by jjschiller on Jul 20, 2007 7:02 PM EDT 0 recs










