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Atlanta Braves 2012 Top Five Middle Infield Prospects

Even though he'll enter 2012 at just 22 years old, Tyler Pastornicky is on the cusp of becoming a productive Major Leaguer.

You would expect any group of top middle infield prospects to be full of shortstops, and this list is no exception, as four of the Braves top five middle infield prospects are shortstops. What makes the group impressive is that every player on the list has a chance to become a Major League regular, and that's after the team's top two middle infield prospects from last season, Matt Lipka and Edward Salcedo, were moved to centerfield and third base respectively.

1. Tyler Pastornicky, SS - B/T: R/R, Born: 12/13/1989, Ht: 5'11", Wt: 170 - When the Braves traded Yunel Escobar to the Blue Jays in July of 2010, everyone focused on the Major Leaguer they were getting in return, Alex Gonzalez, and very little attention was paid to Pastornicky, who was aggressively promoted to AA Mississippi as a 20 year old after the trade, where he held his own. Pastornicky returned to AA in 2011 and earned an All-Star appearance, hitting .299 with a .345 OBP, .759 OPS, 6 triples, and 20 stolen bases in 295 plate appearances. He was promoted to AAA Gwinnett in the middle of July and got off to a hot start, hitting for the cycle in the midst of a 12 game hitting streak as part of a 117 plate appearances that saw him hit .365 with a .407 OBP, a .821 OPS, and 7 stolen bases. An ankle injury near the end of August abruptly ended his AAA season, though he did heal enough to join Atlanta for the very last game of the Major League season.

Pastornicky is an outstanding athlete with above average speed, which allows him quickness both on the basepaths and in the field, where his range is superb. He's a slick fielder with soft hands, but his arm is at best average, and probably a little below average, leading to some trouble when he has to make plays from deep in the hole at shortstop. He'll likely be able to hold his own defensively as a Major League shortstop, though he would profile best defensively at second base, where he could develop into a Gold Glover. A the plate, Pastornicky is a high contact hitter who helps himself by knowing his limits and staying inside his game. He doesn't have much power, but he's adept at putting the ball in play and is a fine situational hitter, which could make him an ideal two hole hitter. He does need to work on getting on base more, as he walked in just 6% of his at bats this season, an unfortunate side effect of his aggressive approach.

While Pastornicky may not have as high a ceiling as some of the other players on this list, he'll only be 22 years old next season and is on the cusp of being a productive Major Leaguer. At worst, he'll have a nice career as a backup infielder, though if he reaches his peak he could be a league average regular at shortstop with solid defense, or a slightly above average second baseman. The Braves don't currently have a shortstop, so there's a chance Pastornicky  could be given a shot to earn Atlanta's shortstop job out of Spring Training in 2012. It's more likely the team bring in a veteran on a short term deal and he'll head back to Gwinnett to start the year. Either way, he should join Atlanta at some point in the year and is likely to be a starter by 2013.

2. Andrelton Simmons, SS - B/T: R/R, Born: 09/04/1989, Ht: 6'2", Wt" 170 - When the Braves drafted Simmons in the 2nd round in 2010, they were excited about getting another high octane pitching arm, as the Curacao native can thrown 95mph off the mound, but Simmons wouldn't sign with the team unless they allowed him to try playing shortstop first. So far, Simmons is putting his bat where his mouth is, following up a solid debut year with Rookie level Danville by winning a batting title for High A Lynchburg, hitting .311 with a .759 OPS, 35 doubles, 52 RBI, and 26 stolen bases.

The Braves wanted Simmons as a pitcher because they weren't convinced he could hit, but so far he's shown himself to be fantastic at making contact, with a .300 batting average over 839 professional plate appearances, while only striking out in 8% of his at bats. The down side of this high contact approach is that he doesn't walk much, walking in just 5% of his plate appearances. He doesn't have much pop, hitting just 1 home run this season, though he did smack out 35 doubles, an incredibly encouraging sign for his future. Still, Simmons is very skinny, and doesn't have a ton of body strength, which leads to doubts about his ability to drive the ball at the higher levels. He's a quick baserunner, though he needs to get better at knowing when to swipe a bag, getting caught in 18 of his 44 attempts. Defensively, he is one of the best shortstops in the game, with phenomenal range, unreal reflexes, and an absolute cannon for an arm. He did make 28 errors this season, but many of those were made on balls that other shortstops couldn't even get to.

Simmons will move up to AA Mississippi as a 22 year old in 2012, and it will be his biggest challenge yet. As encouraging as his work to this point has been, the doubts about his bat won't be fully quelled until he proves himself against experience, upper level pitching. At worst, Simmons can develop into a Rey Ordonez like player, who wins Gold Glove after Gold Glove but looks atrocious at the plate. His defense will always make him valuable asset, and if his bat can be remotely league average he'll be an every day Major League shortstop for 15 seasons. And, if worst comes to worst, he could always take that big arm to the mound and become a dominating reliever. 2012 will be a big year for Simmons, if he can have another offensive season like 2011 he could become Atlanta's top prospect.

The rest of the list after the jump:

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3. Tommy La Stella, 2B - B/T: L/R, Born: 01/31/1989, Ht: 5'11", Wt: 185 - The Braves drafted La Stella out of Coastal Carolina University in the 8th round this year and he turned in the best season of any of the team's draftees, hitting .328 with a .944 OPS, 13 doubles, 5 triples, 9 homers, and 40 RBI in 270 plate appearances for Low A Rome. He crushed the ball in August, hitting .377 with a 1.330 OPS, 8 doubles, 5 homers, and 24 RBI in 106 at bats. When the Braves drafted him they knew they were getting a potent bat, but there were questions about his defense. He committed 11 errors in just 60 games at second base, so he didn't really put any of those questions to rest. There's a chance he could wind up at a corner outfield position, but because his bat would be such a plus at second the Braves will give him every chance to prove himself at the position. He's a shorter, thicker player who's built very strongly, so while there isn't much room for projection in his body, he really doesn't need much. He's an advanced hitter who should be able to move quickly, and because he's already going to be 23 at the start of next season the Braves will be aggressive with him. He's likely to start 2012 at High A Lynchburg, but a good Spring Training could land him in AA Mississippi. His bat could lead him to become a solid Major Leaguer, but he's going to have to find a defensive position.

4. Jose Peraza SS, - B/T: R/R, Born: 04/30/1994, Ht: 5'11", Wt: 167 - Playing the season at just 17 years old, Peraza had a fine debut season in the Dominican Summer League, leading his team in batting average (.281), games played (66), at bats (235), runs scored (29), hits (66), total bases (80), and stolen bases (28). He posted a .346 OBP and a .686 OPS for the season, but he really shined in July, hitting .360 with a .396 OBP, a .812 OPS, 8 RBI and 9 stolen bases in 89 at bats. Like any young player, he struggled with getting on base, walking in just 6% of his plate appearances, but he's incredibly young and it was his debut season. The same caveat can be applied to his team leading 16 errors in 58 games. The Venezuelan native hasn't played in the US yet, so the Braves can't be positive in what they have in him, but the early returns are very encouraging and there's plenty of indicators that he'll develop into a fine player. He'll come over to America for the first time in 2012, and will play in the Gulf Coast League as an 18 year old.

5. Nick Ahmed, SS - B/T: R/R, Born: 03/15/1990, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 205 - The Braves selected Ahmed out of the University of Connecticut in the 2nd round this year and he turned in a decent debut, hitting .262 with a .725 OPS, 13 doubles, 4 homers, 24 RBI, and 18 stolen bases in 284 plate appearances for Rookie level Danville. He is a big bodied, strong shortstop, who is an above average defender with great range and a top notch throwing arm. Despite his size, he's a well above average runner, though he was caught in a quarter of his stealing attempts with Danville, so he's going to have to get better at knowing when to swipe bags and how to do it with more success. At the plate, he's going to have to improve both his contact rate and his ability to drive the ball, though he showed some success at working the count, walking in 10% of his plate appearances. Ahmed isn't the kind of player that's likely to create a lot of buzz, but he does have the skills that should make him at least an adequate Major League regular, and at worst he can become a fine backup infielder. He'll be 22 entering next season, and because he's a more advance college player there's a good likelihood he start the year with High A Lynchburg.

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Pastor over Simmons

I like it

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by JKowalek on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

You know, usually I’m all about upside over proven production, but that’s when the guy with the bigger upside is considerably younger, or at least a little younger. This is a case where the guy with the bigger upside, Simmons, is actually older than the guy with the proven production, Pastornicky. Yes, has the potential to be a better player, but we know, at the same age, that Pastornicky is ready for a shot in the Majors, which is something Simmons may never prove. When you’re looking at two guys who are the same age, you really have to go with the guy who’s more proven, unless the other’s tools are just that much better, and I don’t think this is a case where Simmons’ tools are ridiculously better.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Pastornicky over Simmons is just plain wrong

Putting way too much emphasis on a BABIP driven hot start at AAA, at the expense of merely decent AA production and questions of whether he has the tools to stick at SS or even really be a first division starter anywhere. Its not like Pastornicky is more of a sure thing either, as Simmons great defensive tools guarantee he’ll be a contributor as long as the bat doesn’t completely flop (and even then he might still be able to add value off a bench).

by nixa37 on Nov 15, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, obviously I disagree. If Simmons can’t hit higher level pitching his defense won’t matter. Nobody want’s a Gold Glover with a sub .500 OPS. You keep mentioning the high BABIP AAA appearance for Pastornicky, frankly I had him ahead of Simmons before the year, I had him ahead of Simmons when he was in AA, and I had him ahead of Simmons at the end of the year, so his time in AAA didn’t really impact much. Pastornicky is certainly more of a sure thing, he’s the same age and about to get a shot at the Majors, while Simmons is going to AA.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Tweet from Jim Bowden (espn/xm radio) late yesterday
"Braves development people have told Gonzalez [I assume he meant ‘Fredi’] that Pastornicky is ready for the big leagues."

"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11

by carpengui on Nov 15, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

No, they told Alex Gonzalez…it was pretty cold…

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It was...

it was part of a series of tweets where he was interviewing Fredi.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Art of the Deal...

Either FW instructed him to put that out there, or not (Fredi is blindly complimentary of his players), but it ultimately serves to help your leverage with acquiring another SS if you can convince other teams that you are content with your on-house options?

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh, maybe

I don’t know that we can totally count on Pasto yet, though. Even if the dev guys think he’s solid, he’s still technically a question mark and we need insurance against him being the wrong answer (at least for right now); I don’t see us getting out of needing another shortstop.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we sign an “expendable” SS in the offseason (maybe being back Jack Wilson). I just wonder what TP has yet to prove at the AAA level? In this scenario if TP is holding his own on Gwinnett maybe you make the move in June or something.

It would seem dumb to bring in any SS for anything above the Vet minimum…

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think the fact that TP only played a little longer than a month at AAA

may have a lot to do with the fact that he’s a question mark.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And all I would want to know is what would he have left to prove if assigned to the AAA level in 2012? Although rare, a few of our past prospects have all but skipped AAA. Freddie Freeman probably didn’t because of his young age.

I don’t think his future ability to produce at the ML level is a question mark…

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We're not talking about future ability, though

we’re talking about his ability on April 1st, 2012.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

For the 3rd time...

What would he have to prove at the AAA level to not make him a question mark?

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That he can have more than one good month there?

Sorry I’m not an expert on Pastornicky’s career. I’m just saying that may have something to do with why his ML-readiness appears to be largely up in the air.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m wondering if Pastornicky could fill Prado’s super-utility role.

He’d be a stellar 2B, adequate SS, probably serviceable 3B and LF.

That’s useful.

by Broccoman on Nov 15, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my hope, but for some reason the FO seems set on him as a SS.

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by king of games on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Short stops need stronger arms than 3B. The throw from deep short is just as long, if not longer than, any throw a 3B will have to make, and it’s made while their momentum is moving you away from 1B.

A ball hit deep down the line that is fielded by a 3B was usually smoked, so once they come up with it they still have time to make a throw, if they’re fielding the ball in the hole then they’re moving toward the 1B bag and are usually fielding it shallower than a SS would.

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by Lennox on Nov 16, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand this take. I think this is a great list of players. I’m incredibly encouraged by the list. I’d like to see another organization that has 3 shortstops with a realistic chance to become regulars, as well as a 17 year old that looks as promising at Peraza.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the idea is that...

…there isn’t huge offensive potential at SS in the group, which is, well, typical of all shortstops. Remember that A-Gon has had a long career as a first division starter. Having somebody, or multiple somebodies, as good as A-Gon isn’t exactly a bad thing.

by cavebird on Nov 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

People have completely unrealistic expectations.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean we’re not supposed to have 5 Tulowitzkis in our system at any given time? Our scouts suck.

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by king of games on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not

1 Tulo
2 Hanley
3 Cal Ripken
4 Ozzie Smith
5 Jose Reyes

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We only have to go back a couple of years, and the organizational depth here just wasn’t that good. Now all of a sudden, there’s a wealth of top-shelf prospects. Nice.

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by carpengui on Nov 15, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You are out of your mind

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Regular poster bighop has been arguing against a “band-aid” approach to SS and the more I think about his arguments, the big picture, and possible non-AGon options, the more I agree. Although rather than a “band-aid” approach, I would call it a halfway measure.

My vote – assuming he performs as expected in ST – is to give Tyler Pastornicky a legit shot at the everyday job.

by fandave on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Is there any reason to think he's not going to get one?

Apparently the dev guys think he’s ready, and I find it highly unlikely he wouldn’t get invited to ST.

I still think we have to sign somebody, though. We’d need a legitimate backup at best and at worst somebody to step in if Pasto can’t do the job.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Me personally, I Think TP should get every chance to prove it. I know alot of people will think I am crazy, but i believe that if we survived a whole season of AGon, I believe we can survive with a platoon of Hicks and Diory, if TP is not quite ready.

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by ArmyITSpec on Nov 15, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hicks and Hernandez are both right handed hitters, so it wouldn’t make much sense to platoon them. It wouldn’t make sense for several other reasons as well.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno, maybe Wren announcing that he’s not ready? But I like the idea of continuing to get younger and faster and giving some of the younger prospects a bigger role.

Worked well with with Kimbrel, Freddie, Minor, et al, last year, and with J-Hey and Jonny V in 2010.

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by fandave on Nov 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My God, thank you

I got to the point of thinking I was a complete dumbass,( I’ve never argued that I wasn’t! ). If Tyler P is ready, great. I hope we have a decent MI utility guy just in case.

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by bighop on Nov 15, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not looking too bright

Those are our best….top? Ouch.

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by ChillyMutt on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously?

Sickels has Simmons as a B+ prospect, and Pastornicky and La Stella as B- prospects. How many organizations have that many middle IF prospects above a C+ rating?

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh boy! A bunch of utility players! ;-p ha

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by ChillyMutt on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously have no perspective or clue what you’re talking about.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you’re just a negative person. I clearly stated that every guy on the list could develop into a Major League regular, and at worst they could become good utility players, but you chose to latch onto the utility player part.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I was not commenting on your comment/projection but my reaction after reading about each prospect. It might change, they can develop but there really isn’t too much to get excited about now But nice work on making it all about you and getting defensive.

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by ChillyMutt on Nov 15, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work on not having any concept of how good a list this is.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

a B+ prospect essentially mean Simmons is a top 100 prospect. I also recently saw a list where Pastornicky was rated 100 prospect in baseball for 2012.

There isn’t a single team in baseball with two SS in the top 100.

I understand no one on the list is the next Arod, but seeing as Arod is probably the greatest prospect ever, its not that disconcerting to not have Arod.

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by Swo12bv on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus I heard they look down on steroids these days

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 16, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Where is Jurickson Profar?

The Rangers didn’t accept the Diaz and Conrad for Profar deal like some on here proposed???

by bbaker68 on Nov 15, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Simmons is putting his bat where his mouth is

uh… I guess Simmons’ flexibility is one of his key tools as well.

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by Fatvirus on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

"Simmons is putting his bat where his mouth is"

Meh. Constanza’s been doing that for years.

Hey, maybe he can play shortstop. After all, he*loves* baseball.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey...

at least he doesn’t want a live chicken….

by DustinSmith on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

CB, when was the last time...

this list didn’t include Brandon Hicks or Diory Hernandez?

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Last year our top 4 SS were Lipka, Salcedo, Simmons, and Pastornicky, so those two haven’t been on the list since after the 2009 season.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake...

Considering those 4 players haven’t been in our system for very long it might have felt that Diory and Hicks were our prospects…

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by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

off topic but what do you think about the trade possibilities for Prado going to Detriot?

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by suicide bunting is a sin on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Take it over to the rosterbation thread, bub.

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by king of games on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Or one of the two other threads where it's being discussed, even.

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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If Pasty did get the job...

There is not much pressure I think for him to come out and perform. There’s more pressure on J-hey returning to his rookie year production. I’d say Pasty would be morei n the shadows. Pasty will hit 8th and he would have great talent ahead of him. Assuming prado and jair stay braves…

OF: Prado, Bourn, J-hey
IF: Chip, pasty, uggla, freeman
C : mccann

That’s one of the best hitting catchers in the game. Chipper produced great last year. Freeman, 2nd in ROY voting. One of the best CF in the game. Uggla wont start out like he did this year. Prado can return to his 2010 form. And J-hey can rebound and show his rookie performance wasn’t a fluke. I have full confidence that j-hey will be working his tail off to recover from his embarrassing year.

The lineup can be pretty potent. I think we should give me a shot, even if he is not completely ready how much worse can he be than a “band-aid” that we are talking about anyways. I do agree that if we did go with pasty we need to acquire a ready backup. Which I think jack wilson would fit nicely. Great defense, and can mentor the young fella which i doubt gonzo would have any interest in.

by braves9095 on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

There is not much pressure I think for him to come out and perform

Seriously… at least on the offensive side. I gotta think he could probably hit .240 with the wrong end of the bat. Defensively… a little concerned (having seen him play, I agree with the the reports above about his range and his arm).

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by carpengui on Nov 15, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

also

 I think our greatest chance of having the best team is if we do not trade jair/prado.

a rotation with…. Hudson, Hanson, jair, beachy, minor…with teheran as the spot starter is one of the best in the majors if not the best. It also gives us the depth If a starter goes down. If we would trade jair then we would have to rely on 3 young guns. Beachy a 2nd year, minor a rookie and teheran a rookie. If Hudson or hanson get injured we are left with a bunch of youngsters which I don’t think would be reliable even if they have a lot of talent, they don’t have experience.

prado is also our best option for 3rd in 2013.

by braves9095 on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

wow...just wow

why in god’s green earth would you just spot start teheran?!?!? He has proven in AAA and the majors that he can start for any team in the majors. I would take teheran over JJ this season hands down.

by DustinSmith on Nov 15, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Because proving it in AAA doesn’t mean that much, honestly. JoJo Reyes dominated AAA in his first two stints at that level, and got killed in the big leagues during both of those years.

If you’re going to start Teheran over Jurrjens from Day 1, Teheran better have had an amazing Spring Training. Otherwise, there’s still plenty he can work on while being an excellent guy in a part-time role. Even then, Teheran’s inclusion wouldn’t come at JJ’s expense…Minor would likely be the one in AAA.

Jurrjens has proven himself to be incredible when healthy, even if his peripherals aren’t sterling. He’s a pitch-to-contact guy, so his peripherals weren’t going to be otherworldly, anyway.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Nov 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad we don't still have Salty.

Salty and Pasty. What a pair that would be.

Also, no pepper!

by parish on Nov 15, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Myke Jones is pepper...

to Tyler’s salt. TP handed out those nicknames, along with “ebony and ivory” for Jason and Freddie (and totally skipped the obvious and necessary Horror theme) in ST this past year…

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m pretty Heyward and Freeman were the ones given the Salt and Pepper nicknames a couple of years ago while they were both still in the minors.

This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.

by gilley on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

meants to say

“I’m pretty sure….”

This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.

by gilley on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you CB...great work as always...

the future looks very bright. Where does Gosselin rank as a 2B?

by Rick Z on Nov 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

He would have been 6th on this list. I think if he had finished stronger he would have gotten on here easily. Gosselin is a very no-frills player, which leads to him getting overlooked. I think this year at AA is going to be the real test for him. If he plays well, he could be a solid Major Leaguer, if he struggles, he’ll just be another talented guy who’s not quite good enough.

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by cbwilk on Nov 15, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that should be part of your signature " I think this year at AA is going to be the real test for him".

you say it a ton and it is true everytime and should be repeated.

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it held true for Kawakami, though.

Just sayin’.

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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by duwanis on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It was true for KK. He failed the test.

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by cbwilk on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You think he would've been considered ML-ready if he'd succeeded?

:P

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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by duwanis on Nov 16, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Now we’ll never know.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Nov 16, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I will admit to being a little of a LaStella fanboy, the dude can flat out rake. Sort of like a smaller thicker Adam LaRoche. If he can find a position that he can legitimately field it’s feasible to me to think that he might merit a call up in 2013. Range and hands do leave something to be desired though.

Thanks for putting this together, I’ve only seen LaStella and Simmons play but your evaluations seem to generally be spot on.

http://tarpslides-r-us.blogspot.com/

by MWhitexx on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Not a bad comparison in the field, his batting style is where the LaRoche comparison comes from. He has an open stance and fluid swing and pretty good patience at the plate, so it’s sort of similar to me.

http://tarpslides-r-us.blogspot.com/

by MWhitexx on Nov 15, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

just because I like comparing things. how about Brett Lawrie?

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that kind of upside is optimistic, but not unreachable. I’m not a scout though, maybe CB will weigh in on that comp.

http://tarpslides-r-us.blogspot.com/

by MWhitexx on Nov 15, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is younger and already cracking the majors

instead of a year older and already cracking in to full season ball.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

damn me, I should have better clarified. They are only similar in their profiles, in regards to offensive abilities and defensive “abilities”

I feel like size why and future projection are similar. Lawrie’s got more upside first because he is younger and has succeeded at a higher level. they both seem like bats in search of a place to play, yet their athleticism should allow them to play somewhere.

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Brett Lawrie. Great player and a great guy, like most every guy from Canada. Honestly haven’t seen La Stella enough to make a fair comp between the two.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
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by cbwilk on Nov 16, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent work

I would switch Simmons and Pastornicky, but Pastornicky is closer to the majors. Thanks

by Braves24 on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

Amen!

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.

you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Nov 16, 2011 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey Freddie

have fun catching 95 plus from shortstop

by DustinSmith on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

I have been high on Simmons since he first flashed that plus plus defense potential in our system m

I’m a guy who values defense over batting at 2B/SS, so Simmons stuck out to me from the start.. Him starting to rake this season was a great thing to see, and with his development, I see an upside of multiple All Star appearances. Yes he doesn’t have power like a Tulo, or draw walks, but he gets good contact, and if he can continue developing that bat, the sky is the limit. A future infield of him, Pastor, Salcedo (if he stays at the hot corner), Freeman would be potentially incredible.

I am just glad Andrelton is getting the recogntitionhe deserves. He could easily be an A level prospect after next season

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.

you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Nov 16, 2011 1:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Pastornicky

Worst case – Alexi Casilla

Average case – Erick Aybar

Best case – Michael Young

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 16, 2011 2:24 AM EST reply actions  

Nice

I like the Young comp that’s what I thought when I saw him a younger, shorter version of Young.

by Jay212033 on Nov 16, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome work CB

Although I like Simmons better than Pastornicky you made great points for Pastor.

by Jay212033 on Nov 16, 2011 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

I definitely see the arguments for Simmons, so I have no problem saying that by the end of 2012 he could be ahead of Pastornicky by a lot. If Pastornicky was a year older I wouldn’t have any problem putting Simmons ahead, but the fact that Simmons is actually a little older sways it for me. I value potential over production almost to a fault, but when guys are the same age and one is about to be a Major Leaguer and the other is going to have to prove himself at AA for the first time, to me that’s an easy choice. But again, this should never look like me saying I don’t like Simmons. I’ve been nothing but impressed every time I’ve seen him play. Especially in the field. I don’t think I’ve said wow that many times since 1995 when I watched Rey Ordonez every day in AAA.

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by cbwilk on Nov 16, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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