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Atlanta Braves 2012 Top 10 Relief Pitching Prospects

Not only did Arodys Vizcaino go from A ball to the Majors, but he also transitioned from starter to reliever.

Relievers are often an eclectic group, and the Atlanta Braves Top 10 Relief Pitching Prospects are no different. Two of the pitchers on the list were converted to relievers mid-season, four of them joined the organization in 2011, and one of them hasn't even played as a professional yet. Still, it's a list full of talent, and the top three pitchers all have a chance to be important parts of Atlanta's 2012 bullpen.

1. Arodys Vizcaino - B/T: R/R, Born: 11/13/1990, Ht: 6'0", Wt: 190 - The 20 year old Dominican Vizcaino began his season as a starting pitcher in High A for the Lynchburg Hillcats, and finished it as a reliever in Atlanta. In 9 starts for the Hillcats he had a 2-2 record, 2.45 ERA, and a 1.02 WHIP in 40.1 innings. He moved up to AA Mississippi at the end of May and had a 2-3 record, a 3.81 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP in 49.2 innings over 8 starts and 3 relief appearances. He stayed in the pen when he moved up to AAA Gwinnett in July, with a 1-0 record, 1.29 ERA, and a 1.00 WHIP in 7 innings over 6 relief appearances. When the Braves couldn't take another day of Scott Proctor, they called up Vizcaino, and he made his Major League debut on August 10th, finishing the year with a 4.67 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP in 17.1 innings over 17 appearances.

The Braves could still decide to move Vizcaino back to the starting rotation, but his stuff plays much better in the bullpen, where the shorter appearances allow him to let loose and push his fastball into the high 90s. That fastball, which couples heat and movement, is paired with a devastating hammer curve ball and an effective, if sometimes seldom used, changeup. The biggest knock on Vizzy in his first few years was that he was injury prone, missing time in his first pro season with a back injury, and time in 2010 with elbow problems, and the move to the pen should put less of a strain on his arm and his growing body.

Vizcaino seems like a virtual lock to make Atlanta's bullpen out of Spring Training in 2012. He pitched well enough in his Major League stint to prove he belonged, and if his September 2nd appearance, where he allowed 5 earned runs while only recording 1 out, was taken out of his stats, he would have had a 2.08 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP. It's easy to envision that it won't take long before the three-headed monster of Craig Kimbrel, Jonny Venters, and Eric O'Flaherty becomes a four-headed monster.

2. JJ Hoover - B/T: R/R, Born: 08/13/1987, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 215 - Hoover was one of the most rock steady performers in the Atlanta organization, with a 21-13 record, a 3.87 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP in 290.1 innings between 2009 and 2010. He began 2011 just as solidly, earning a Southern League All-Star appearance as a starting pitcher, but the Braves saw more potential out of him as a reliever and moved him to the bullpen. He finished with a 2.48 ERA and a 1.07 WHIP in 87 innings over 12 starts and 19 relief appearances for Mississippi, and then finished his season with 13.2 scoreless relief innings for AAA Gwinnett, striking out 26 in the process.

As a starter, Hoover might not have had an attribute that set him apart from any other pitcher, aside from durability, but as a reliever he should be able to get the absolute most out of his ability. The shorter appearances allow him to push his fastball near the mid 90s, and that extra speed creates a ton of deceptive movement. He also has something most relievers don't, two polished secondary pitches, with a curve and a changeup that are both slightly above average pitches. Midway through this season, Hoover made a commitment to getting in better shape, and the results were obvious as he shed 20 pounds in season. Combining improved conditioning with his durable arm should make for a reliable reliever. He's working in the Arizona Fall League this offseason in an effort to work in as many different relief situations as possible. He'll come into Spring Training in 2012 with an outside chance at earning a spot in Atlanta's bullpen, but, even if he doesn't, he should make his Major League debut at some point in the season, and could end up being an important part of the pen by season's end.

3. Cory Gearrin - B/T: R/R, Born: 04/13/1986, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 200 - After a 2010 that saw him post a 3.36 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP in a team high 52 appearances for AAA Gwinnett, Gearrin felt good about his chances at getting to the Majors in 2011. He got that chance, spending most of May and the middle of July with Atlanta, though the results weren't pretty, a 7.85 ERA and a 1.58 WHIP in 18.1 innings over 18 appearances, though most of that damage came in his final 3 appearances, where he allowed 10 runs over 2.1 innings. Despite the rough times in the Majors, Gearrin was dominant for Gwinnett, with a 1.80 ERA, a 1.24 WHIP, and 60 strikeouts in 50 innings over 35 appearances, and after the All-Star break he had a 1.09 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP in 24.2 innings while striking out 35.

Gearrin's sidearm delivery makes him hell on right handed hitters, as he held them to a .191 average in AAA and a .143 average in the Majors. His fastball just touches 90, but the delivery creates a ton of break, which also makes his frisbee slider incredibly effective. He's also a groundball specialist, and that combined with his effectiveness against righties makes him the perfect pitcher to replace Peter Moylan in the Braves bullpen as the right handed specialist. He'll likely never be a premier back of the bullpen type pitcher, but his specialty delivery will likely keep him in high demand for years to come.

We'll look at relief prospects 4-10 after the jump:

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4. Billy Bullock - B/T: R/R, Born: 02/27/1988, Ht: 6'6", Wt: 225 - At the end of Spring Training the Twins traded Bullock to the Braves in exchange for the permanent rights to Rule 5 pick Scott Diamond. It was a win-win for both teams, as the Braves are always looking for bullpen depth and Diamond was unlikely to get a shot as a starter in Atlanta and the Twins were in need of starting pitching depth (Diamond would end up making 7 starts for Minnesota). Bullock had a nice season in 2010, splitting time between High A and AA, finishing with a 3.53 ERA, a 1.57 WHIP, 27 saves, and 12.8 strikeouts per 9 innings. He spent this season with AA Mississippi, and had an inconsistent season, striking out 11.8 batters per 9 while also walking 6.2 per 9, finishing with a 4.53 ERA, a 1.39 WHIP, and 11 saves in 49.2 innings. Bullock has a premier arm, hitting the high 90s with a moving fastball, but he's been wild his entire career, with a career 5.1 BB/9 rate. He can miss bats, as his .193 batting average against this season at AA shows, and there in lies the excitement surrounding Bullock if he can ever control his wildness. He'll continue to work on his control in the AFL this year, then head to AAA Gwinnett in 2012, hoping to harness his immense potential. If he can, he could become a dominant reliever, perhaps even a top flight closer, if not, he'll just become another tantalizing arm that frustrates one organization after another.

5. Navery Moore - B/T: R/R, Born: 08/10/1990, Ht: 6'2", Wt: 212 - The Braves selected several relievers before plucking Moore in the 14th round of this year's draft, but he might be the most promising of the group. Prior to the draft, Baseball America had ranked him as the 113th best prospect in the draft, which would have made him a 3rd rounder. The Braves paid him a $400,000 bonus (their third-highest draft bonus this year) to convince him to sign with Atlanta and skip his senior year. He had Tommy John in high school, which limited his innings in the early part of his college career. He was a teammate of Mike Minor at Vanderbilt, and this season he was the Commodore's closer, with a 1.21 ERA, a 1.01 WHIP, and 11 saves in 29.2 innings. He was a last-minute signing, so he wasn't able to make his professional debut this season. He'll likely begin 2012 as a 21 year old with Rome, though a good Spring Training could land him with Lynchburg. The Braves could have landed themselves the steal of the 2011 draft.

6. Cody Martin - B/T: R/R, Born: 09/04/1989, Ht: 6'2", Wt: 210 - The Braves selected Martin out of Gonzaga in the 6th round of this year's draft and watched him flourish in his professional debut, with 14 strikeouts in 9 scoreless innings for Danville and a 1.48 ERA a 0.90 WHIP, and 35 strikeouts in 24.1 innings for Rome. The combined stats are outstanding, a 1.08 ERA, a 0.75 WHIP, 9 saves, 1.4 BB/9, and 13.2 K/9. He has all the makings of a solid reliever, with a mid 90s fastball, a mid 80s slider, and an average changeup and curveball. He even has a pro pedigree as his father Chuck played two years in the Braves organization. He'll head to High A Lychburg to start 2012 and in a few years could become a vital cog of Atlanta's bullpen.

7. Mark Lamm - B/T: R/R, Born: 03/08/1988, Ht: 6'4", Wt: 215 - After missing all of 2010 recovering from Tommy John surgery, Lamm spent his senior year at Vanderbilt setting up fellow Braves draftee Navery Moore. Unlike Moore, he signed quickly after being drafted and played at a higher level than any of the Braves 2011 draft picks, starting his pro career with 4 strikeouts in 2 scoreless innings for Danville before moving up to High A Lynchburg and posting a 3.16 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP in 25.2 innings. He throws with a sidearm delivery that creates deception and adds a sweeping, diving effect on his pitches. His stuff is only average, but his arm angle makes him a perfect righty/groundball specialist. He'll be 24 when the season starts, but relievers tend to work on a different age timeline than other prospects. He's likely to return to Lynchburg to start 2012, but a good Spring Training could land him with AA Mississippi.

8. Benino Pruneda - B/T: R/R, Born: 08/08/1988, Ht: 5'9", Wt: 170 - Despite being able to hit 103 with his fastball, Pruneda is consistently overlooked. It might be because he's been around so long, 2012 will be his sixth professional season and he has yet to play in AAA, or perhaps it's because despite his big arm he's never put up big save numbers, with only 30 for his career. Whatever the reason, Pruneda is a player more fans should know about. For most of his career, he's had a dominating first half, then faded down the stretch as his diminutive size has led to him just wearing out. That didn't happen this season however, as he had a fine year with AA Mississippi, posting a 3.50 ERA, a 1.48 WHIP, 11 saves, and 9.9 K/9 in 64.1 innings. He's still only 23 year old, and he'll get his first chance at AAA in 2012. If he can continue to rack up the strikeouts and improve on his 4.8 career BB/9 rate, he could become a dominant Major League reliever, as they really aren't very many guys with his kind of high power fastball.

9. Erik Cordier - B/T: R/R, Born: 02/25/1986, Ht: 6'4", Wt: 230 - Cordier is the only pitcher on this list who isn't actually a reliever, making 19 starts for Gwinnett this year, putting up a 5.13 ERA and a 1.62 WHIP in 86 innings. Still, his future is likely in the bullpen, where his fastball, which sits in the mid 90s as a starter, can gain a few extra miles per hour, making his secondary pitches even more effective. Cordier has had a long, strange career, missing nearly three season's worth of play with various arm injuries, including Tommy John surgery after his first season. He missed the first few months of 2011 with an elbow injury, and even after he returned he was a magnet for baseballs, taking line drives off his pitching arm and his head. Despite the liners off his body and the ugly numbers, Cordier felt he was throwing as well as he ever has by the end of the year, and the Braves have him pitching in relief in the Arizona Fall League to see if he can capitalize on that. He'll return to Gwinnett in 2012 and likely head to the bullpen full time. If he can harness his extremely live arm he could become a real threat in Atlanta's bullpen.

10. Stephen Marek - B/T: L/R, Born: 09/13/1983, Ht: 6'2", Wt: 240 - The last remnant of Mark Teixeira's time in Atlanta, Marek began 2011 by striking out 14 over 9.1 scoreless innings for AAA Gwinnett, but then allowed 4 earned runs in 1.1 innings over his next 2 appearances. The reason for the trouble quickly became clear, as a week later he was forced to undergo Tommy John surgery. The recovery time for Tommy John is anywhere from 12 to 18 months, so even under the best of circumstances Marek won't be back until the middle of May. Even if he can come back that quickly, it usually takes a full year of pitching before a pitcher feels like himself again, so the Braves will have to look forward to 2013, when he'll be 29 years old, to see if Marek can make good on his potential.

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Seriously...

who are our best lefty relief prospects?

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 21, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well there's.....

And then there’s……..

Ah hell, Dustin Richardson? Wren needs to hit up the waiver wires for some lefties.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

More to the point

who are our best prospects that pitch well against LHBs?

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by duwanis on Oct 21, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richard Sullivan, Ryan Buchter, Chasen Shreve, and Blaine Sims. Some of the starters like Luis Avilan, Chris Masters, and Matt Crim could all end up being fine relievers if they moved to the pen.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks cb....

so an underwhelming group we probably need to improve in this next draft.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 22, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows if it’s underwhelming or not. Nobody would have been excited to hear Jonny Venters’ name a few years ago.

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by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand the argument that to maximize the value of Arodys Vizcaino, he should go back to AAA and be stretched out as a starter, which would allow a determination to be made whether he can dominate in that role and handle the work load.

But IMO he needs to be a crucial piece in the Braves’ bullpen from day 1 of the 2012 season.

I want to see a full bore championship push from day 1, with the absolute best 25 man roster we can field; and to me, that has to include Arodys and his awesome stuff being available to come out of our amazing pen.

by fandave on Oct 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

so you potentially damage a dominant starter career for Arodys by converting him into a reliever? Just to improve an area which is already a very nice strength for just one year?

by atlbravosfan on Oct 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

To play devil's advocate...

There’s plenty of people that think he’ll be a reliever in the long run.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. I think he’s just going to be better of as a reliever.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

He’s a relatively slight guy thats shown a lack of durability as a starter and the potential to be a very dominant force as a reliever.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I have an opinion whether he is more likely going to be successful in the long run as a starter or a reliever, but he certainly was a late season force in 2011 and if he can similarly bolster our bullpen in 2012 and substantially help us to win a championship, I don’t agree that would necessarily or even be likely to hurt his career at all.

by fandave on Oct 21, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Medlen, O'Flaherty, Kimbrel, and Venters...

as well as Martinez and some of the others, just how many innings do you think Vizcaino will be needed for? Why have him sitting in a less than often used bullpen role, where he’d be 4th or 5th in the pecking order, when he could be stretched out in AAA and possibly become an elite starter. Then, if you need him in the bullpen, you can always call him up and stick him there without problem.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 21, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we didn't have so many options

I might want him in the Pen, but we do have a lot of options os i agree eh should be in the minors.

by willlinn on Oct 22, 2011 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity

What’s the deal with Jaye Chapman? He’s a guy that’s had a K/9 over ten each of the past three years and is fairly young at 24.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

He just missed out, ranking 11th on our combined list. Each of us, myself, Matt and CB, had him on our lists, either 9th or 10th. He came out of nowhere this year, and I think most of us may not want to totally believe it.

by gondeee on Oct 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he came out of nowhere

He’s been doing what he showed this year since ’09. And I think you can take his ERA in ’10 with a grain of salt, as his peripheral stats would suggest that he was unlucky that year.

I think we just took notice of him this year, for whatever reason that may be.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say if Vizzy leaves the list

Chapman, as they say in football, has got to be the next man up.

Overall I like the list just confused a little with Marek getting the nod over Chapman, but its understandable.

No real suprises here, I figured three to four would come from this past draft, and hopefully they can make quick rises up their respective latters.

There is alot to like here, and a good mix of talent, styles, and abilities.

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by chicagobullies on Oct 21, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Marek was actually only on one of the 3 lists, and he was 6th. Chapman was on all three lists, around 9th or 10th.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cory Rasmus...

Where did he figure on your lists? Is the 13.5 K/9 and 3.33 K/BB in Lynchburg impressive enough despite the injuries? Should the Braves try him in the bullpen and reduce the innings on his arm?

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by TBuzz on Oct 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Cory didn’t rank on any of our lists, for either starters or relievers, likely completely due to the injuries. I love Cory and I love his arm, but to really get himself prospect status he’s going to have to put up a year or two free of injuries.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think it's insanity to change Vizcaino to a bullpen guy

If a guy has a chance to be an above average starting pitcher, he’s got more value than the absolute best relievers. He doesn’t even need to elite. Here’s some of the guys who were more valuable than Craig Kimbrel was last year, who was definitely the most dominant reliever in the season:

Jaime Garcia
Derek Holland
Gio Gonzalez
Alexi Ogando
Ricky Nolaso
Mark Buerhle
Philip Humber
Michael Pineda
Jordan Zimmerman

Average, above average guys, certainly not the cream of the crop. And they were more valuable than Kimbrel, who had a freaking awesome season. The best closers of all time, pure hall of famers-ie, Mariano Rivera-will only average 2.5 WAR per season. A guy like Derek Lowe has easily eclipsed that value per season, without the need to be truly dominant.

And really, there’s no reason to doubt Vizcaino’s ability to become a Felix Hernandez or Dan Haren right now. He’s had some injury problems, perhaps, but he was absolutely fine this season. If he can’t be healthy enough to hold up as a starter, that’s also still worth learning, and still the best reason to keep him in AAA and working out as a starter. The extra development should do him good, anyway, as he’ll continue to work on his secondary offerings and locating-even if his destiny is as a reliever, he might find a third pitch he has enough confidence in to use.

Even if Vizcaino never sticks HERE as a starter, he’ll have a heck of a lot more value as a starting pitcher in our system than a reliever on the big league club. Another team will have to pay the price for a top-flight SP prospect even if they think he’ll convert to a RP later on.

In short, any way you look at it at all, he needs to be a starting pitcher.

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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Don’t move him to the pen until it’s necessary.

by Braves24 on Oct 21, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This list is entirely dependent on a valuation system that may or may not really reflect real life. It’s hard to really judge the value of a dominant reliever, because this is only looking at statistical impact based on outs affected. There’s a psychological component to having a dominant bullpen that gives an undeniable boost to a team. Teams with poor bullpens tend to panic late in games.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not like the Braves played extremely well late in games despite having a fantastic bullpen, though. And the Braves and Red Sox both had excellent bullpens for their respective historic collapses. So that psychological advantage doesn’t always mean very much. Perhaps even your assessment of that psychological edge doesn’t necessarily reflect real life.

And the exact names aren’t even important, either. Even if you go by bWAR, which I think highly overrates him, you don’t have to look very hard for a starter that is more valuable, annually, than Mariano Rivera. And the guy is basically the best closer ever, so you can’t even expect Vizcaino to be that good. If he’s a STUD reliever, he’d still only need to have been a pretty good started for it to have been a waste. There are, quite simply, a larger number of pitchers who can adequately fill bullpen roles at the major league level than there are guys who can start.

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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re gonna look at Altanta and Boston’s collapse, you also have to look at the teams who were successful and how their bullpens were. Texas has Feliz and some other great arms down there, and once St. Louis had Motte at the back of their pen they took off. It wouldn’t be hard to make a direct link between the team’s confidence in Motte at the back end of the bullpen and their streak toward the World Series.

Obviously any one of these advanced metrics is going to come out in favor of a starting pitcher, because they value the amount of innings over the importance of the innings. And yes, I could concede an argument that sees the first inning as being as important if not more important than the ninth inning as being valid and probably even true, but still, baseball is a game played by people and while there are plenty of guys who have the mentality and stuff to start games, there aren’t many who have the mentality and stuff to close them.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just trying to point out some problems in the case you were trying to make

Since you were trying to tell me how important the “psychology” of it was.

And c’mon, you’re not really making a strong case right now either. The Rangers had one of the weakest bullpens in the Majors (Feliz was good, not dominant), and the Cardinals were average at best. You’re basically making the case for why one single really good bullpen pitcher is important…and we already have two or three. That’s another big reason why it makes no sense to promote Vizcaino for the start of next season-at BEST, he’d be the third best arm in the bullpen, so he’s hardly critical by your standard.

Vizcaino has a much better chance at eventually starting for us than he does closing for us.

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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 21, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really sure how you can say Rangers had one of the weakest bullpens in the Majors. Feliz and Adams were very good, Darren Oliver was pretty damn good, and Mark Lowe was solid. I realize that Adams wasn’t there the entire year, but when they made the trade for him, it really made them have 3 very good RP at the end of a game, along with a solid RP in Mark Lowe. Rangers may not have had a top 5 bullpen, but I would say it is closer to top than the bottom.

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by rockybull on Oct 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is

we already have those guys at the back who destroy opponent’s confidence: O’Ventbrel and Medlen now. We don’t need 5 guys in the pen who scare the daylights out of opponents, when one of those guys has a legit chance to be a dominant starter. Not to mention we have several relief prospects who have pretty high ceilings, negating a need for immediate bullpen upgrades.

by atlbravosfan on Oct 22, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

But anyone’s who’s paid attention to relievers in the Major Leagues knows that the guys have a shelf life of 2-3 year and that even the most effective ones can suddenly lose their stuff at the drop of a hat. Yeah, we think the Braves are set in the pen, but for all we know Venters and O’Flaherty suddenly lose their magic, Medlen’s arm doesn’t respond to an offseason well, and Cristhian Martinez stops being Houdini.

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by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

While not on topic...

Is everyone following Pujols pout after his costly error last night? Kinda makes Chipper, Danny and Mac seem like standup guys when they contribute to a loss. This is the same Pujols who rudely refused to give my son an autograph when at a Spring Training game…the only one who refused!

by TomahawkGuy on Oct 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Brooks Conrad was much classier.

But then, Craig Kimbrel got hammered and lost his wallet.

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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 21, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point...

And I remember Prado owning up after failing to come through in big spots.

by TomahawkGuy on Oct 21, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbrel has answered every question about blowing that save, though.

I couldn’t care less who he got drunk and screwed after the fact.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reponse is to Bronn

Not you.

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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jake...

Mine was to Bronn, too. I am in agreement with you.

by TomahawkGuy on Oct 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine was to Bronn too, and I think he's a very swell guy

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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vizcaino would be a lock for a bullpen spot if he was permanently moved to the pen, but I think he starts the year in AAA as a starter. I think Pruneda may be a spot or two low because his numbers are very similar to Bullock’s and he is a couple of months younger. Also, I didn’t realize Marek was so old. Other than that, excellent work.

by Braves24 on Oct 21, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

On my personal list I had Pruneda 4th, ahead of Bullock.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think...

And this is just speculation, at some point last season, the Braves made a decision of either Hoover or Vizcaino being the new high-end bullpen option, at least for the time being, while the other would remain in a starting role.

Hoover moved and, yes, Vizcaino also went to the pen, but that was to limit his innings.

With the tremendous amount of rotational depth, it makes sense to have a “one or the other” approach with those two. And, yes, they could both still end up in the bullpen. But I think you have to give one of the two another shot at being a starter.

But, as I said, it’s all speculation…

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by cthabeerman on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

It appears the Braves did exactly what you just stated but only time will tell where Hoover and Vizcaino end up.

by Braves24 on Oct 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

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by bighop on Oct 21, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I would probably quit after a week and a half under that scenario.

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by cbwilk on Oct 21, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

It would be a hell of a week and a half!

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by bighop on Oct 22, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Impressive piece of work

It seems that the list reflects a lot of whose most ready for the majors (although not entirely).
Some questions – Navery Moore’s stats weren’t that impressive his last year are we expecting a big up turn? How close was Eliecer Cardenas to making the list? Last of the new draftees not on the list Cornely, Miller, Schlosser, and Harper any stand out or are they looking good against younger competition?

by hagarwood on Oct 22, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a relievers list is going to reflect Major League readiness more than any other one, because a lot of times you don’t know what you have in a reliever until they get close to the Majors.

I had Moore 10th on my list, because I don’t really know what to expect from him. gondeee and yondaime14 both had him 5th (I think) because they believe in the upside. Obviously, I hope they’re right.

Carednas was traded to the Pirates to complete the Matt Diaz trade, so he wasn’t close at all.

Of those guys I like Schlosser, just because he seemed to come out and dominate. Jarrett Miller also had a great debut. With relievers, even the guys who made this list, we really do need a couple of seasons to evaluate them, because there are lost of guys who do a great job their first couple of seasons then get exposed at the higher levels.

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by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like Stephen Marek did make the cut, but at number 10. This isn’t really a bad thing though since he underwent surgery for an injury, yet is still one of the top ten relief pitchers that are available.

by mehmetozgur33 on Oct 22, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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