Jason Heyward Carries Braves to Extra-Inning Win Over Reds
by BenDuronio on Jul 30, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
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PrintIn a crazy 10 inning game, Jason Heyward was the hero and drove in two runs on an RBI single off of the overworked Francisco Cordero. Melky Cabrera and Martin Prado walked with two outs before Heyward worked a full count and delivered on a line drive to left field. Jonny Gomes made a diving attempt to end the inning and the threat, but came up short. Martin Prado was able to come all the way around to score but hurt his hand in the process. The hit put the Braves up 6-4, which ended up as the final score.
Neither Kris Medlen nor Johnny Cueto lasted six innings and both were getting hit rather hard, with Medlen giving up six hits and Cueto giving up 10. The Braves had it set up with Jonny Venters entering in the eighth but he promptly allowed a game-tying home run to MVP candidate Joey Votto. With the game heading to extras, the Braves went to Jesse Chavez in a questionable and scary decision. Chavez managed to get out of the inning, allowing just one hit and striking out Orlando Cabrera with a runner on second. Billy Wagner allowed two runners in the bottom of the 10th but Miguel Cairo flied out to deep center and Wagner managed to strike out Drew Stubbs with a full count to end the game, earning his 24th save.
The Braves offense was stranding a bunch of runners all night, but Brian McCann hit a game-tying home run in the top of the fifth and Martin Prado added a fielders choice RBI to give the Braves the lead in the top of the sixth. Chipper Jones had an RBI single in the top of the third and singled before McCann's home run. Heyward ended up with three hits, Infante ended up with two singles and a walk, and Melky Cabrera had a single and two walks. Brooks Conrad pinch hit in the top of the ninth with two outs and hit a bomb to deep right field, but Chris Heisey robbed him of the go-ahead home run on a magnificent play. The "Raw Dog" came through again, but Heisey made a memorable play to send it to the bottom of the ninth tied.
Prado's injury looked pretty bad, forcing the sick Alex Gonzalez to enter the game. Prado headed back to the clubhouse and if I had to guess, he will likely be put on the disabled list. With the trade deadline approaching, Prado's injury may alter the Braves game plan.
This was one of the wilder games of the year (I feel like I say that once in every series), and it was a great win to get as both the Phillies and Mets lost earlier in the night. The Reds are a tough opponent, but the Braves have Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson on the hill the next two days. With those two on the mound, the Braves have a great chance to end this road trip on a positive note and head back to Turner Field.
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Waiting on an update from DOB on Prado.
Hope he’s ok. If he has to go on the DL i doubt Frank Wren is sleeping until after tomorrow’s game. It makes the need for a bat even more urgent. We need one now but if Prado goes down we REALLY need one.
Good work by Chavez though. Hopefully he settles down and pitches good for us the rest of the season.
Awesome
Wish I could have watched this game. What’s your guess on how long Prado will be out? I’m hoping it’s something minor but I hand injury is a pretty big deal. Hope he’s ok.
Congrats to the Braves, and Jason Heyward does it again.
Headlining the Campaign for the return of Ryan Langerhans! MVP 2011!
by RichmondBraves on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
talk about a nail-biter.....jeez
Hopefully we can still try and add someone like Ohman or Campillo to the pen. Not sure how many more miracles Chavez has in him.
But props to him for getting it done. GO BRAVES
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Sure. I don’t even know if those guys are pitching anywhere, right now.
Hell, Mike Gonzalez might even get his swagger back in the Braves’ pen.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohman is with Baltimore right now.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
Why?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly, he went to them in the George Sherrill to LA deal last year. Last I heard on Campillo was he was in Kansas City’s minor league system, where all former Braves’ careers go to die
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
he's injured
hasnt pitched a game this year.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Could have fooled me. Campillo is the shit. Especially as like a 2 inning guy in the pen.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohman
has a terrible walk rate and a ridiculously high WHIP.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Do not want.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
but, but...
he has a great harry caray voice!
Wow we are so far removed from those bullpen days we shouldn’t even bring up those names. There easily four or fives guys in our system now that could outperform those guys.
Truth
"Watching him play shortstop these past few days has really been special."
—Manager Bobby Cox on newly acquired SS Alex Gonzalez.
Seriously
Why bother adding ANYONE while we still have Kimbrel in AAA? Even Gearrin could probably do better than most anyone we would add.
because
Bobby wont utilize them but once every 10 days then wonder why they cant find the strike zone when they havent thrown a baseball in 10 days
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
First off, great win!
Secondly, here is the lineup I would like to see tomorrow assuming Prado is out.
Infante – 2B
Heyward – RF
Chipper – 3B
McCann – C
Hinske – 1B
Diaz – LF
Gonzalez – SS
Cabrera – CF
Jurrjens – SP
If Gonzalez is still unavailable, shift Infante to SS and give Brooks a start at second batting 7th.
Glaus really needs a day off, he has been terrible. From twitter … On June 13th, Troy Glaus’ batting average was .290 and he had 13 home runs. Now (July 30th) he is hitting .246 with 14 home runs.
But once again, great win!
by Buffalo Braves on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
depending on how well Alex Gonzalez is feeling
I sure wouldn’t mind seeing Conrad in there at 2nd, especially after his blast tonight
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree they need to sit Glaus he sucks right now i think he’s hurting are line up but great win GO BRAVES!!!
by cali viking on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I would've preferred a Reds sweep.....
…..if it means Prado isn’t DL’d.
Any update on Medlen?
oh goodness
I forgot about Medlen being hit.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
per DOB
Medlen has bruised above right wrist, Cox and him both think he’ll be able to make his next start
"I'm like Yankee fans. I expect perfection from my team. I wish more Braves fans were like me." by AndyInGA on Jul 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT
by ByrneSupremacy on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
one bullet dodged...
have my fingers crossed
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got back from the game. GAB was packed and rocking. So tense there at the end, don’t think I could have taken the Braves losing while that place explodes.
Per DOB: Prado jammed a finger on his hand sliding into home and is getting X-rays now.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
Also, Clevlen will be going back to Gwinnett and Blanco will be coming back up tomorrow
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
kind of feel bad for Clevlen
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ugh, Clevlen isn’t optioned, he’s DFA’ed, so he’ll have to clear waivers and we now run the risk of losing him.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
as if
we dont have a ton of minor league OF to fill roster spots
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
um
Blanco
Matt Young
and tons more
We’ll be fine
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
jammed a finger? is that like JHey’s thumb?
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bowman just said its the pinky finger of his right hand
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
Pinky finger of the right hand is WAY better than the wrist...
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…Hope it’s not like JHey’s thumb
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For a right handed batter
Probably the worst finger to hurt would be the ring or middle finger of the left hand, since they’re lower on the bat and have to provide leverage-they grip strong than the pinky. Hanging onto the bat with those two fingers near the bottom broken/hurt is extremely difficult, and it hurts like hell if they’re broken and you make contact.
NOT PRADO NOT PRADO! refresh twitter refresh twitter.
Our games with the Reds are exciting. I really enjoy watching them. Really hope we play them in the postseason.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 30, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lol……Those would be some good good times.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't take it!
I’m 20 years old but a series like that would cut short my life expectancy!
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
maybe(?)
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
no thanks
he needs to stay in chase field
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You know,
as long as we don’t give up much, that’s not a bad idea.
Kelly can play a little LF once Martin gets back, allowing Hinske to play some 1B to relieve Glaus (who needs a few days off).
Plus, Justin would love it!
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, depends on what they want. Would be interesting to see his response. “Oh. NOW you want me back”
Maybe I’m a little biased. I still root for him.
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
kelly doesn't seem like jackass-y enough to say that
i bet he’ll be happy that he’s playing for a first-place team, and he’ll keep the “i told you so” to himself
depends
on how long he would be out. If he is gone for a long time we might have to look at a serious replacement via trade.
Brian Roberts anyone?
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante at 2nd. Gonzo is back. Prob solved.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I would assume Infante becomes an every-dayer at 2B, no trade.
by Buffalo Braves on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
we need
Infante to stay a super utility type player.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. and by filling in, he would stay the super utility player that he is.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant a non everyday role
at one position
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
but that’s why you have a guy like Infante. He could get a few days of regular playing time, no sweat.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never understood this stigma with a guy like him playing everyday. In 2008, Mark DeRosa did excellent work for Chicago playing every day, yet he was their super utility man. How, you ask? They played him at second as much as possible, but they maintained a backup second baseman. Then when, say, Soriano got hurt, they didnt stick the bench 2B in LF, they shifted DeRosa out there and plugged the 2B in at 2B. The same thing can happen with Infante- he can play 2B regularly if/while Prado is out, and if, God forbid, Alex or Melky or someone pulls up lame, Infante can shift to their position and Brooks goes in at second. That’s a hell of a lot better decision than starting someone like Hicks or Hernandez and sitting Infante just to “maintain the bench depth.”
by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great win… I was convinced we were going to lose after the catch by Heisey and Chavez coming in. I know Wagner hasn’t been great lately, but it’s strange that Chavez is ahead of KK (and a couple other guys) in the extra-inning-on-the-road pecking order. He’s a walk-off homer waiting to happen.
Now let’s all pray to Heyward that Martin is okay. I don’t think we can afford to lose him for very long.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
couldnt watch the game need help
how close was Raw Dawg to another HR. i now the catch was mad at the wall but would it have gone over?
thanks
by Delaware Boiler on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
haha. yeah
it would have cleared it. dude timed his jump perfectly.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It was caught over the fence.
A perfectly timed leap was all that was between it being a HR instead of an out.
"Watching him play shortstop these past few days has really been special."
—Manager Bobby Cox on newly acquired SS Alex Gonzalez.
Prado might have a day off. I see him coming back fairly soon, if not tomorrow. He’s a trooper.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
except
J-Hey was a trooper as well and was terrible for an entire month.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
thumbs don’t take to pain like pinky fingers do. they’re tough lil sons of bitches. lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
that hustle he showed both times he scored was great
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, love how he always hustles.
"Watching him play shortstop these past few days has really been special."
—Manager Bobby Cox on newly acquired SS Alex Gonzalez.
Cleven got DFA
to make room for Blanco…hopefully he’ll clear waiver
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 30, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
Precursor to a trade?
If we deal a guy that’s not on the 40 man roster, we’d need to clear up a spot right? Hopefully that’s why he got DFA’d.
Makes sense
Was he DFA’d the other times he was sent down this season? I guess he would have to have been.
no, he wasn’t on the 40 man to start the season. The Braves added him to the 40 man when they called him up. He was then DL’ed for about 2 months. He returned to Gwinnett for a rehab assignment, then was reactivated by Atlanta. This is the first time since his call-up that he’s actually been “sent down”.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
Interesting
I’m still going to live in my fantasy world where they’re doing this to open up a roster spot for an addition. I was a lot more excited before you rained on the parade.
from DOB
ajcbraves
Still no word on Prado, expecting to hear from Braves official any time. X-Rays taken longer than usual
yeah
I am waiting to here the results, hope he is fine…
During the replay looks like he was moving his fingers ok
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
we should steal Maholm for Resop and Matt Young the way the teams seem to be giving away player
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding
I guess we are really constrained by our payroll
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That's BS.
we opened this season at 83mil Last year we opened at 96 mil and we had lower attendance. Heyward and a play off push will bring more than enough ticket sales
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure
seems like we are reluctant to add imo
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
we would just need someone worth adding
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean
we traded Vazquez to clear payroll, so I doubt we add much
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm
He has considerable upside and we wouldnt have to shut him down. Medlen can go back and make our pen AMAZING.
Plus he’s left handed.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Not an area of need when Minor could provide equal or better performance. Seriously this would just be trading for the sake of making a trade.
There's plenty of people around here in favor of that
“Philly is making moves!!! WE CAN’T BE IDLE!!! THEY WILL OVERTAKE US!!”
I think there’s a ton of people pressing the panic button a bit too early. Even with Roy Oswalt, Phillie is going to have a tough time staying in the playoff hunt as long as they have Wilson Valdez starting at second. It’s not like they’ve got great bats all over the field-Ibanez is terrible in left, Polanco isn’t great at third, Howard is only marginally above average at first, and they’re now playing a rookie in Center.
Phillies position players are better than ours
IMO
We’ve got advantages at C, 2B (not if Utley comes back), and maybe LF
The others are either tied or in their favor
We’ve got pitching though
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so...
Werth > Heyward?
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Right now, Yes
Heyward is good right now, will probably become great in the future, but we were just talking about this season.
I think Werth is slightly better this year
Can’t go wrong, though
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a healthy Heyward
is better than Werth this year..
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Werth 2.7 WAR , Heyward 2.6 WAR
Werth 290/382/516
Heyward 271/387/452
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
emphasis on the healthy
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
if you take out his bad month and half
you’re only looking at two months of data from the guy
two months of good play may not be enough to overtake one of the best RF in the game
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not trying to be stubborn
but it’s enough to overtake the subpar year Werth has had (outside of his two separate hot streaks.) Heyward has been extremely consistent in the time leading up to the injury and the time since coming off the DL. Even though his HRs are down his power is still there…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
we can probably both agree the difference between the two is pretty small right now, though?
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Only when you consider Heywards unhealthy month...
I have no problem calling it a push, but I just don’t see Werth being better than Heyward
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Heyward missed a lot of time in there
Otherwise his WAR would be higher than Werth. Heyward has a .370 wOBA against Werthy’s .368 wOBA. Regardless of how accurate the defensive metrics are at this point, I think Jason is the better defensive right fielder as well.
Werth has consistently put up well above average UZR totals
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, and they're falling
And he’s about the right age for players to experience a defensive decline. 31 year olds don’t generally become better outfielders. Regardless, they’re so close as to make almost no difference, both offensively and defensively. I wouldn’t say that the Phillies have the advantage in RF, as you do.
my original post made no mention of them having an advantage
i put RF on my list of too close to call
i just answered honestly when asked if i thought Werth>Heyward
so, it’s insignificant to me too
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There's an issue with doing a position by position comparison
We’ve got very significant advantages at both catcher and second (while Utley is out). Our LF platoon of Hinske and Diaz is a huge upgrade over what they’re getting from Ibanez. RF is basically a wash, though I think Heyward is better at this point.
They’ve got a fairly marginal advantage at short, if that. They’ve got a decent advantage at first. They’ve got a decent advantage a third, but that’s almost entirely in defensive value, meaning it’s less stable(and I feel like that UZR is slightly overrating Polanco). And it’s hard to know what they have in center field right now. We’ve gotten below replacement level production out of the position, but going forward, I don’t see Dominic Brown significantly out-performing whatever we have in center for the rest of the year.
yea, i understand
just making the point that our position players are a little weaker overall
pitching more than makes up for it
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think we actually have the advantage among position players, albeit a small one (and only while Utley is out). The difference in pitching has shrunk with the acquisition of Oswalt, but we still are much better 4 and 5 than they are.
Ruiz / Howard / Utley / Rollins / Polanco
Ibanez / Victorino / Werth
vs.
McCann / Glaus / Prado / Gonzalez / Jones
Hinske / Cabrera / Heyward
SERIOUSLY?
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Utley is out
Rollins is overrated (Seriously, look at his career numbers outside of 07-08), Polanco is Omar Infante, Ibanez sucks, Victorino is awesome and Werth is awesome.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
look at it that way when you go thru the braves lineup though
Glaus sucks, AGon is auto-out, Chipper is old, Hinske is a bench player, Melky sucks
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Heyward is too young, Prado is too susceptible to sliders away, Omar is a non-deserving all-star, McCann is fat and slow
hey, this game is kinda fun!
Bobby is senile
Wagner’s arm is going to fall off, Derek Lowe Sucks, Hudson is going to regress, Hanson is overrated, JJ is decent, Medlen is too small.
Are you really talking about Prado – the NL’s leading hitter?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see that, but the things I posted are legit. The made up negatives are not.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Glaus does not suck. He needs time off
Agon – I hated that trade (still do) but Gonzalez is a wizzard with the leather
Chipper – sure, he’s old. He also still has one of the best OBPs in the league and is one of the most respected hitters in the game. He is also driving in most of our runs lately
Hinske – Yes, he IS a bench player who platoons in LF with Diaz, because they both kill opposite-handed pitching, respectively. He is one of the best bench players in baseball this year – which is something that cannot be overlooked
Melky – how does he suck? He has been one of our best hitters since May.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that didn't reflect my true opinion
i was trying to tell the guy above me to look at our lineup from a phillies fan’s perspective
since he’s looking at theirs from a braves
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
When both teams are healthy…
I give the Braves the clear-cut advantage at C, LF, RF, Bench, 4th and 5th Starters, and every aspect of the bullpen.
I give the Phillies the clear-cut advantage at 1B, CF, and starters 1-3.
At SS and 3B I definitely give a slight nod to Philly, but I think it’s rather close. Gonzo’s defense is that good and I’d never bet against Chipper.
2B I see as an absolute push.
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
2B is not a push
Utley is one of the best players in the game. Prado is a very good player having a great season. There’s definitely a significant gap between the two.
a statement based soley on past seasons?
Utley does hit for more power, but as far as averages and defense, I think they’re rather equal. Plus Utley has protection from Howard so he gets to see better pitching…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Yes, based on past seasons.
That’s exactly what we should base these sorts of statements on. I’m not using horoscopes here, or divining from the gods based on the color of a rabbit’s liver. Utley was having a down year, by his standards, and was still clearly outpacing Prado. He’s a better hitter, and one of the best defensive second basemen in the game. He was just coming off of three straight years of 7+ WAR.
Martin Prado is better than I thought he would be, but even the most optimistic fan can’t expect he’ll ever be close to 7 WAR territory. Even if he is past his prime, players of his caliber tend to decline much more slowly than average players. I don’t foresee Prado overtaking him in the near future.
Okay, I'm not a sabermeterics guy
so I assume what you say is something of “significance.” But this season, to me, Prado has been the best 2B in the NL. And I really believe that if he had the kind of protection that Utley has, he would put up very identical numbers..
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Bronn is right about Utley
But your analysis of the two teams looks pretty good.
I even consider Hanson and Hudson to be about the same as Oswalt and Hamels.
We don’t have anyone like Halladay, but then again neither does anyone really
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Protection makes almost no difference
It’s been statistically shown that protection has no measurable effect on a player’s rate stats, by guys much smatrer than examining huge stretches with vast amounts of data. You put Prado in front of Howard and he doesn’t suddenly start hitting 30 home runs with a .390 OBP.
I definitely don't think he hits 30 HRs
But I do think he gets a lot better pitches to hit. And Prado already has a .357 OBP as it is. An extra 30 points may be a little steep, but I don’t think it’s that far off.
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
you have to go based on what is been statistically proven
a combination of bias and estimation isn’t your best bet
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
its difficult to see how other teams
would ever fear this lineup
(not that I think we should trade for anyone)
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
decent upgrade at first? i’d say its more than “decent”.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You're overrating Ryan Howard
Much like everyone on ESPN and in much of the rest of the baseball world does. He’s been a 2 WAR first baseman this year. Troy Glaus has been 1 WAR. Yeah, it’s twice as much, but it’s only 1 WAR. It’s not all that significant. It’s not like the huge, gaping difference between the abilities of Prado and Wilson Valdez.
Howard has had a down year
I’m well aware of Howards inability to field and walk
But much like other sabre hate list guys (Jeter), their abilities to be far above average players are clouded by their perceived overratedness.
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You take your Jeters, and I will take my Dunn’s and I will win every time
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh
not my argument at all
im saying that players that overrated by traditional media still sometimes have more value than we give them credit for
i.e. we say jeter isn’t that good when he put up a 6 WAR season last year
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeter isn’t a good fielder. He is a pretty good offensive player.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i am aware of this
completely
you seem to misunderstand me
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard had a 6 WAR year
once. Four years ago. Outside of that, he’s never reached 5 WAR. He’s basically a 4 WAR player, making a solid starter, and only that. This year, unless he gets extremely hot down the stretch, he’s on a 3 WAR pace, or barely above average.
average of 4 WAR
is close to all star level
he’s a good first baseman, not a great first baseman
but because he’s typically overrated by others, we don’t give him credit for being significantly above average
it’s similar to the hanley ramirez article on fangraphs today
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm very realistic about Howard's true value
He’s a fringe all-star, though the current distrubution of talent include a number of first basemen who are more deserving all stars than he is. He’s above average, but not significantly so. So he’s not a significant upgrade over Glaus, who has been slightly below average for a first baseman to date. He’s a solid upgrade, but it’s definitely not “huge.”
ok i agree
just felt like you were setting up the ryan howard, derek jeter, ESPN strawman a little unfairly
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
wow. what’s the record for that?
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
whoa…what inning is it
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bottom 8th
12 runs already scored
2 outs
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ian Stewart
just flew out to the warning track
18 hitters to the plate, MLB record
11 straight hits, MLB record
12 runs, Rockies record
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
could have been grand slam
that’d be 16 runs in one inning
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If it were the Braves, Jason Heyward would have driven in all those runs
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
think so, and I’m glad
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope
Still active, even spurred a spirited conversation over whether he was a troll or not. I didn’t remember him from the first go ’round but was reminded by someone else that he had been banned after TheGameThatShallNotBeDiscussed back in May. I dunno why he was unbanned at all, but apparently he was.
Also, I’m personally getting tired of this from you guys. God help us all if they face off in the playoffs. I’m not sure my heart/hair/fingernails could take it. :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Sorry, I'm an idiot and read the last word as "there" not "here"
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
lol
Wow. Maybe the Astros werent so dumb.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, it'd be hilarious if Happ outperforms Oswalt the rest of the year
(i doubt it)
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always respected Oswalt
But if he goes 2-7 the rest of the year, I may die of happiness.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Preferably the latter.
But I’m not picky.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Jose Bautista
Most HR since July 30th of last year
41…
On a side note, Escobar still hitting around .400
FUYE
"I can't imagine Joe DiMaggio was a better all-around player than Dale Murphy." - Nolan Ryan
by Brave Rebel on Jul 31, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, like FUGA but not as cool. It's late. I hope he freezes his butt off in late September
"I can't imagine Joe DiMaggio was a better all-around player than Dale Murphy." - Nolan Ryan
by Brave Rebel on Jul 31, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
what can we do, we knew the guy could hit…
Glad he is doing well
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He must have
dyed the tips of his hair gold again. I’m sure that is where all his mojo comes from.
"I can't imagine Joe DiMaggio was a better all-around player than Dale Murphy." - Nolan Ryan
by Brave Rebel on Jul 31, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
trade McLouth for cereal
for the guys to eat in the clubhouse
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Confused
at why FW thinks that Cody Ross is the piece that will keep us in the race….sometimes I wonder if he makes a trade just to please everyone and make it look as if he at least tried. If it’s Ross we’re after I’d rather just say no thanks and move on with what we have, while keeping our young talent
If I thought Melky would hit bloop doubles every night.
I would agree with you.
FW isn't looking for a major piece
He’s said all along if they add anything, it will be a fourth/fifth outfielder. I think partly he’s compelled to make a move just to make a move because, well, you’ve seen how crazy people have been around here.
it's a classic "what have you done for me lately"
I know Esco has been playing well up north, but I think that was the one trade he really felt like he needed to make. If he’d had waited ’til now to do it, everyone would be happy because it was something…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
I still question the move
And it doesn’t even matter how well Yunel has done since then, he won’t stay that hot. Beside that, though, we’re fielding a better team than the Phillies are. I’m fairly confident that they won’t remain in the hunt for the division, despite their addition.
I had to work tonight
and didn’t get home until the 7th inning. How did Medlen look tonight before the hbp?
lol, he looked like he was pitching in that little league park you guys have up there. Man, the ball really travels at GAB. I really hope to make it to a game there one day.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
If you can make it up here, I'll be happy to find you some tickets
royhobbs was an excellent lunch date last summer when I visited, it’s the least I can do. :)
GABP is crazy when it gets hot. I’ll be there tomorrow, putting my stellar 0-3 record this year on the line.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
lol
very nice. I have been worried about him since the all star break. Doesn’t seem to be where he was before the break.
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He was ok
Got hit around a bit, but was servicable
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Medlen
pitched a great game tonight in my mind. I think the balk really got to him mentally, it was after that the Reds scored their 3 runs off of him. I just with we would bring Kimbrel up to replace Chavez in the bullpen.
gett off Chavez for a day
He pitched well (for him) tonight
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
When I saw Chavez
on the mound to start the tenth I almost turned the game off. But he gets a pass……for today
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
My god....I love Jason Heyward.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
Hell I'm a Reds fan, and I love Heyward
He’s a freaking monster.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
I was yelling to no one in particular "just (expletive) walk him please!"
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Baffles you...in a good way?
I really hope you’re not going to say he’s too patient.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
no no no, I should have clarified
Definitely in a good way. Being 20 years old and having the selectivity and patience that he has just amazes me, that’s what, in my mind, makes him so special at such an early age
He might be 20
But damn if he doesn’t have a grown man’s voice. It’s like Andre the Giant speaking with Heyward’s lips.
he is so mature….yet he has the enthusiasm of a rookie and has fun playing the game.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one hates Jason Heyward
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate that he's already becoming a Reds-killer, sure
But I’m not sure anyone can hate the kid and still call themselves a true baseball fan.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Agree 100%
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a religious man whatsoever
But I pray every night before going to bed that the Reds lock him up, and soon.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Right. It would be like if Pujols beat us two times in a year. It happens. You can’t hate a great person like that for being good at baseball.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
ahh he's my boy.
but only because he’s a Gator.
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
lol
David Fucking Eckstein. I still can’t believe how good he’s been against the Braves since like 2003.
His GW Grand Slam off of Ray King in 2003 was classic.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray King was classic...
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
His career line:
.282/.346/.348, for a .704 OPS. Slightly below average, but he plays SS and second, so it works.
Against the Braves:
.320/.393/.417, for an .811 OPS. Or, pretty damn good.
Wasn't that Reitsma?
Or am I remembering a different Ecksteincentric disaster?
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
He's only hit one career homer against the Braves
And it was in 2003 against King. Though I can’t blame anyone for placing more retrospective blame on Reitsma.
It was off of Reitsma
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN200508070.shtml
Ray was pitching for the Cards and won the game.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
It's stuck in my mind.
I had a bit of a fit in my living room when the ball cleared the wall. Otherwise it would have just probably folded seamlessly into the pain curtain that was Reitsma’s tenure as our 9th inning guy.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
I'm not a Pujols fan
He’s great at baseball, but I’m not so sure he’s the saint he’s portrayed to be.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
really.
anything specific that he’s done?
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
And this, which came off as whiny.
And the comments about Glavine shutting them out that I can’t find at the moment.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
yea, im hoping he doesn't turn out to be the roided up asshole
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't going to mention that, but....
TLR has a bit of a history with PEDs.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
The Glavine comments
Were the end of any liking I had for him.
Respect? Sure. Regard? Not so much. He would be a good Met.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
You shouldn’t hate a player because he’s good. If he’s an asshole or shows up your team, you can hate him. Heyward is and does neither.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The Mets hate Larry cuz he’s good
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure naming his kid Shea because he absolutely dominated at that park doesn’t help matters either
Most of them
hate him in a respectful manner, and even appreciate him in a way only Braves and Mets fans really have. Almost none of them wish bad things upon him and his family the way we do Shane Victorino
I think I hate Werth more than Victorino. He curses at children.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that incident was overblown. I mean, he wasn’t cursing at the kid, for one, he was swearing at the fan because he was trying to record an out in a high leverage situation while his team had been struggling. He later apologized. It’s not like he slides in spikes up (Victorino).
Not overblown
Bush. And scummy.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Well, you can make your own mind up
But if a fan interfered with Jason Heyward trying to make a 9th inning out in a close game, I suspect you wouldn’t think much of him yelling at them, if he chose to do so.
Yeah, I would.
If Jason Heyward dropped an F bomb on a guy in full Braves regalia sitting next to a kid @ 10 years old who is obviously his son, I would be crushed. I am being completely serious. I’m a bit of a cynic but that would upset me terribly. It would be like finding out that Dale Murphy had a toot habit in the ’80’s.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
I’m sure that kid has heard much worse. He was in CBP, and I would be surprised if the average fan hears fewer than two F bombs on average a night in that stadium.
It's the dad humiliation that bugs me.
Yes, that park is a zoo, it’s part of Philly’s alleged charm. This wasn’t a drunken fan, this was a ballplayer. I expect a bit more class from them. I probably shouldn’t, but I do.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
I realized tonight that I'm no longer terrified of Larry at the plate
Which was nice. The problem is he passed to torch on to Heyward.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Jason is the future, Chipper is the past….it ain’t the Braves without Chipper, though. we love him, and we’ll miss him a lot.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My wife is a massive Braves fan she feels the same
It will be a house divided tomorrow at the game.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
have fun! Already an exciting series. i love it when we play the Reds, the games are so nail-biting. my favorite part is Brooksy’s slam.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stupid Nix....
All three games are sellouts with SRO tickets all gone too, it should be pretty great.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
I love him more! No one can love Jason Heyward more than me
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where is royhobbs, anyway?
Part of the reason I stopped by was to say hello and give him an update.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
He kind of pops in and out...but he's been out for quite a while now.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Still around
Do a lot of freelance work, am not always readily available at a computer, subsequently lurk more than post, check every night to see who needs a bannin’, still manage to get my weekend post up every Saturday.
Oh shit, you said “wife” up above. Is this why you haven’t been coming down to Atlanta anymore?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I waqs wondering if you'd catch that :)
She moved up in late November, we got married 2 weeks ago today. Hard work pays off kids!
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Good god, congratulations
I was going to say, I know the Reds aren’t coming to town this Labor Day, but the freakshow known as Dragon-con will be, and I found a new burger for you to try if you ever came back to ATL again.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Oh, we'll be back plenty
And I would be happy to take on a new burger. We might be down around late September, just before coming back to watch Reds baseball in October!
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Way to jinx the Reds
Watch them get the Wild Card and then have to face the Padres.
This burger challenge is like the Vortex coronary, but has a 20 min time limit. There is an unofficial pissing contest between all comers, and the record is 9:11. I didn’t push, and I did it in 14m.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
i suppose
inconclusive is better than conclusively bad…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
half-full
I guess, but it also means… something is probably bothering him and they cant figure it out
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
We knew
he was probably going to miss the rest of the series anyway just because of how Bobby manages. God I hope he doesn’t miss more than that.
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
me sad
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i would
only for someone like Markakis, Kemp or in a fantasy world Ichiro.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Kemp would be ideal, I’ve been hoping the dodgers would try to ship him out after the Podsednik trade because of his attitude, but my dream is slowly diminishing
I dont really WANT Kemp
but i would take him. We dont need a problem in our clubhouse. I think Markakis would be the best fit. He would be a great #2 hitter behind Prado. Both are similar players (hitting tons of doubles) just one is a RHB and the other a LHB. After that we can bat Heyward 5th between McCann and Glaus.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd love to have markakis
doubt we’d get him cheap though
I’d REALLY love to get Andres Torres
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
thats the thing
we are trying to be CHEAP.
For us to get an actual upgrade of high quality we will have to pay for it. Bottom Line.
I for one wouldnt mind paying a price for a player like Markakis because i know he will upgrade our offense immediately for years to come. Not to mention we have TONS of pitching in our Minor League system so parting with say Minor, Robinson Lopez, Gearrin, and a couple of lower positional prospects wouldn’t hurt us at all.
Our rotation next year already has 6 starters fighting for a spot and thats not including if Teheran and Delgado dominate AA. If they do they could be very distant but possible contenders for rotation spots.
We have pitching to spare that wont impact our major league roster any time soon so why not trade it? We did it when we got Vazquez by trading Flowers. When we got Tex by trading Andrus.
I say aim high and pay for it unless they are being ridiculous and asking for something like Hanson, Freeman, Kimbrel and Venters
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn it all
The Reds are now in second place.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Maybe we'll have...
Chris Young in our stocking in the morning to bat leadoff until Prado returns.
wishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwishwish
No thanks.
Go look at his career line. Not to mention his contract is a mess.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping for Ellsbury
as long as he comes at a reasonable cost. And my reasonable is a lot more strict than most others here…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
And I hope the Reds get Dunn back
But I don’t see that happening. :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Are the reds
involved in any rumors to add any parts?
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
They went hard after Cliff Lee, but have basically gone the "quantity over quality" route thus far
CoCo is obviously not in a good place, so relief help would be nice. A competent SS would make me happy too.
They have plenty of prospects to deal, but after the insane Capps deal I’m not sure I even WANT them to make a big deal and grossly overpay for a rental. Then again I’ve never been to a playoff game, so my opinion is subject to change.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Would he be your full-time RF??
…Cause your 1B is set in stone…
LF, where he was before
But he’s not coming back. It wasn’t the happiest of marriages the first time around.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
I know this isnt going to happen but
I had a dream that FW pulled off a trade for Ichiro. My wife threatened to cut the cable if I couldnt at least give the braves up while I slept.
I love the DBacks.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that's almost perfect
minus the philly series…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
We are stock-piling the Japanese guys now
three’s company, right?
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Hell I will even
put up with KK pitching once a month if we could get Ichiro. lol
X rays were inconclusive.
Seeing a doctor tomorrow.
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone see this? Courtesy of Jayson Stark @ ESPN
Fish bait: Remember that theory that there was no way the Marlins would trade Cody Ross in the wake of Chris Coghlan’s pie-throwing injury? Uh, never mind.
We’ve heard the Braves have made one last pre-deadline push to convince the Fish to deal Ross, and the Marlins were wavering. The Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers have also been linked to Ross, even this week. And a source said the Phillies had continued to express interest until just before they pulled the trigger on the Oswalt deal.
So while the Marlins are still likely to hang onto Ross, at least for now, the Braves were trying awfully hard to change their minds in the past 24 hours.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
same here.
I’m not even joking when saying I wouldn’t even make the trade if it were straight up Nate for Ross. And that’s not because I’m low on Ross but I think they’re the same player…
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
consider the contracts
that should be the immediate thought after assessing the players’ skills in trades
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
well that I'm not sure about
I assume Nate’s is more, but I also think he will pull out of his funk and a normal Nate is better than a normal Ross
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
Has anyone noticed that the man plating a lot of our runs lately is the Old Man himself?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions
Now
I hate him 5% less than I did a minute ago.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Did anyone already post about the Yankees getting Berkman??? I am shocked. I was hoping we had a shot at him.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions
I honestly thought
that Berkman would be the Braves big addition……..i hate the yankees
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
"I hate the Yankees"
Something we can all agree on. :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
i actually like the Yankees
it would be different if they were unbeatable but the fact of the matter is that they are beatable so no reason to hate them. They have the highest payroll by a long shot and get beat by teams with a fraction of that payroll.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I have total respect for them
The Steinbrenners are not the richest family in baseball. But they take risks and spend the money, and they get criticized and bashed for it by other teams and fans. Yet they understand the American Motto of “Gotta spend money to make money” It’s really just simple economics. And for that, I salute them
Well, they own the team with the highest baseball revenues by far
So saying that they aren’t the richest family isn’t exactly accurate to the case.
They wouldn't have the highest revenues
If they didn’t spend money on the best players, which helps them win. Winning = revenue. Unless your the Marlins
if the Marlins
just upped their payroll a good 20mil they could seriously contend.
They could have kept Willingham and had an amazing offense this year.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Look at the Twins for instance, Their owner is one of the richest owners in all of baseball, but they have one of the lower payrolls. The Boss spent money like no one had ever seen before, he made moves in free agency and built All-Star caliber teams by spending money and taking risks on huge contracts. What did it do for him?? Brought championships and millions of dollars of revenue. NO ONE should get “mad” at the yankees because they spend more money than other teams. I’ll be clear, im a huge Braves fan, LOVE seeing the Yankees lose and cringe everytime they make a deal. But I still respect that they play by the rules and take the risks while most other owners put their tail between their legs and whine that it’s just not fair
hmm i didn't know that
maybe their new stadium …
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely respect them.
But I still hate them
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just playing along
It’s not the Yankees’ fault, they’re playing by the rules set before them. I think baseball needs to do something to even the playing field but there’s no reason to hate the Yankees for utilizing a huge natural advantage.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Barely
Their numbers are very similar, the only difference would be we would have to give up prospects for Berkman. He’s really been a disappointment so far this year, in my mind. Personally, im glad we stayed away from any deal for Berkman
I totally understand why
you feel that way. But something tells me the next couple a months he is going to be back to his old self……i hope I am wrong now. :)
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
same
he’s not that old
and he’s been a great, great hitter for his career
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he will
he had knee surgery during spring training and he’s just been working back from that. Playing DH will take the strain of fielding off his legs and he will be in better hitting shape.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
when that happened earlier i was completely shocked. It’s a good pick up for them.
For a second when I saw that Kenny Williams had something bigger going than getting Jackson i thought he was going to give the finger to the Nats and trade for either Jackson and LaRoche or Myers and Berkman.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
doubt it
he is probably under an innings cap this year so down the stretch he wouldnt really help us
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
I really don’t want to hand the ball to kk every fifth day in the middle of a pennant race. Unless he is pitching against Oswalt. :)
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it the fact that he had 2 shutouts in his last 8 starts, with a 3.2 ERA and gave up more than 3 runs only once during that time that scares you?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He gave up
5 to the dodgers and then 4 to KC in 2 innings in his last 5 starts. Thats Derek Lowe like!!!! lol
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I know he ran into
a lot of bad luck this year. And to be honest, has been better than Derek Lowe. I really just don’t want both him and Lowe in the rotation. That’s too much inconsistency.
by medlenisking on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
KK
was fine. He was one of if not the best 5th starter in the league.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
4th even, and a good 3rd on others.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Classic Cox
Once you get his confidence, it’s hard to forfeit it. Once you lose it, it’s next to impossible to get it back.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Check out my new sig
And go over to the Red Reporter for more of her comments bashing the Braves. I lol’d :)
They are as thrilled to have her over there as we were to have her here!
" Coming into this series I really expected an easy sweep for the Reds. The Braves have been just awful lately, especially offensively."
by AndyInGA on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 PM
"her" name sounds a lot like a guy's name
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
still, no one knows...
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
She stated on here last night that she was a girl,
but who knows on the internet.
" Coming into this series I really expected an easy sweep for the Reds. The Braves have been just awful lately, especially offensively."
by AndyInGA on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 PM
It’s like all those “girls” i used to chat with back when chat rooms were a big deal – I was like 13, talking to some 18/f/FL…yeah, right.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he/she was banned here at some point
I ran a search for Andy, trying to find his/her old comments, a few weeks ago, and found no results, an indication that all the comments had been deleted, which often happens with a ban.
If AndyInGA is a girl, she's lied quite a bit to cover it
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Okay, not as bad as I thought
I’m going to go with socially awkward as well, considering it’s signing in via AOL. :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
In regard to the name… there was a comment on last night’s GT by Rhyno18 that was hilarious.
I slept with a girl named Andi back when I was single.
Its not a name you can really call out during sex and still feel good about the situation.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
She's not a troll.
Just socially awkward.
by kbertling353 on Jul 31, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone have any idea why we gave up Mitch Jones for cash???
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:25 AM EDT reply actions
Cause Liberty Media has us by the balls with their budget
This is the only way we could take on salary I would assume. Plus isn’t he up their in age??? 30’s I think
He is older, but he is a really good player.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...tomorrow's game is on FOX.
FML.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
Apparently
I’ll be getting the Tigers-Sox game. Nothing like a clash of also-rans to warm the blood on the last day of July.
Between this and getting stuck with Dibbpenter for three loooooong days, this TV week hasn’t been nice to me.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Making a deal???
Honestly, do ya’ll think FW will make a deal to honestly and legitimately help this team, or will he make a trade just to make a trade and mortgage an important piece of our future? He scares the hell outta me
I don’t think Frank Wren has ever made a trade just to make one – at least, not during his time in Atlanta. All of his trades have been sound and practical – even the Escobar one (which I hate, in case you didn’t already know that) has a logical reason behind it.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope
that whatever he does he just doesnt get desperate and over pay
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want to say that the ad for “Cartoon yourself” on the right side of the screen with the blond girl in the bikini is one of my favorites.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 4:44 AM EDT reply actions
I like the one that wants to know if Im smarter than Michael Vick.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And she seems like just the type that's into cartoons
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as she makes sandwiches, has sex with me and speaks only when spoken to, she sounds like a dream come true! :)
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
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