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Stras-who? Hudson Outduels Some Guy, Braves Top Nats 5-0

Tim Hudson was fantastic tonight, despite (or perhaps because of) facial expressions like this one.

If you came here looking for news about a certain pitching phenom, I'm afraid you'll have to wait a couple paragraphs. I'm not burying the lede; there was another guy on the mound tonight, and he deserves first billing.

Tim Hudson continued his incredible (and incredibly consistent) season tonight in the mugginess of Turner Field. Through seven gritty innings--all of them in a scoreless tie--Tim induced grounder after grounder, keeping the Nationals' hitters completely off-balance. He wasn't all finesse, though. He struck out 6 men, and when he needed a strikeout, he got it.

No strikeout was more important than the last one. In the 7th inning, with the score still tied 0-0, Huddy gave up a leadoff double to Roger Bernadina. After Ian Desmond bunted the runner to third, Hudson needed a strikeout to prevent the go-ahead run from scoring. And sure enough, he got it, striking out Alberto Gonzales on a nasty pitch about a foot outside the strike zone. He then retired the pitcher to escape the jam and complete his marvelous effort. Hudson's final line was 7 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 6 K, 13/16 ground balls (81%!!!), and a whopping 0.420 WPA. Bravo.

With Hudson done for the night, the Braves had one last chance to get him the win, and boy, did they come through. Chipper Jones led off the bottom of the 7th with a walk. Brian McCann followed with a frozen-rope single to center. That's when the Braves caught a huge break (with a little help from Chipper). Troy Glaus hit a tailor-made double-play ball to Nats' shortstop Ian Desmond. Chipper (who was leading off of 2nd base) smartly stood right between Desmond and the ball, screening his view somewhat. Partly as a result of this, Desmond booted the grounder, and all runners were safe.

After that, the Braves made the Nats pay for the error. Eric Hinske smoked a deep fly ball to center for a sac fly, then Yunel Escobar ripped a single to left to score another run. That made it 2-0, Braves, and knocked Stephen Strasburg out of the game (hey, look how far I made it before saying his name!). Gregor Blanco greeted Nats reliever Sean Burnett with a perfect (non-squeeze) bunt hit, scoring Glaus. Pinch-hitter Omar Infante then drove in another run with an infield hit by bouncing a ball off the gloves of both the third baseman and the shortstop. Martin Prado capped the scoring with another sac fly, making it 5-0. The first 4 runs were charged to Strasburg, though 1 was unearned because of the error.

Strasburg struck out 5 straight in the 5th and 6th innings, the only time all night when he really looked as good as the hype. The Braves actually had a few opportunities earlier in the game to score off the phenom, but they couldn't quite come through. They had a runner thrown out at the plate to end the 1st and grounded into two double plays. Through 4 innings, Strasburg had only 2 strikeouts, and was pitching more like Tim Hudson than like himself (he finished with 10/16 ground balls, or 63%). It was impressive, yes, but not "Oh my God, I've never seen anyone this good!!!" impressive. I guess that means we caught him on a bad night. His final line: 6.1 IP, 6 H, 4 R (3 ER), 2 BB, 7 K, and a -0.003 WPA.

The difference between the two pitchers tonight was that Hudson was able to get out of his 7th-inning jam and work around some shoddy defense (Yunel Escobar made an error and could've been charged with another, and Hudson himself had a throwing error). Strasburg could not. Perhaps with some more experience, Strasburg will be able to get out of those kinds of jams, but right now, he's no Tim Hudson. And for that, I'm glad.

Star-divide

Awards

MVP
Tim Hudson (stat line above); fun fact: this was the 3rd time in Tim's last 6 starts in which he's had at least 80% ground balls.

Honorable Mention
All the hitters. Nobody really had a great night, but everyone contributed. Good work, fellas.

LVP
Alberto Gonzales-- 0/3, 3 K, -0.185 WPA

MVP in a Losing Effort
Roger Bernadina-- 2/3, BB, 2B, K, 0.092 WPA (higher than any Braves hitter, interestingly... though he was the only National with a WPA above 0.001)

Clutch Play
Bernadina's double leading off the Nats' 7th (0.113 WPA)

Unclutch Plays
Gonzales' strikeout with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 7th (-0.116 WPA)
Desmond's error on the double-play ball in the Braves' half of the 7th (-0.106 WPA)

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I have a question regarding WPA…is it retroactive….or is based of the odds of results from similar situations….To better exemplify.

Would Desmond’s error have been a lower WPA had not runs scored…or not?

I don’t know why I don’t remember. I think it isn’t determined by outcomes and thus his WPA is the same regardless of the preceeding events.

The reason I ask, is bc that error is the exact reason the Braves were able to score runs that inning and subsequently win.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 28, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

WPA refers only to the play at hand

Prior and future plays do not affect a given play’s WPA.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 28, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

There has to be some factor that accounts for prior events (at least). If the focus is only on the play itself, then every single with one out in the 5th (for example) would have the same WPA…That’s not the case.

I don’t know much about the stat, honestly, but I would assume that the WPA factors in the score and situation (at least). Thus the error wouldn’t have had such a low WPA if the Braves were in the 8th inning up 15-2…Same with the lead-off double that was the “play of the game” that would not have been the case if the Nats were winning 10-4 at that moment..

But hey, I still don’t get all of these FIPs and WPAs…

by Jman781 on Jun 29, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what question you're asking here...

But WPA is simply the difference between a team’s Win Probability before an at-bat versus after that at-bat. So if a team has a 37% chance of winning before an at-bat, but a 43% chance of winning after the at-bat, the WPA is 0.060 (or 6%).

What I was trying to say above is that the WPA of a given play is not based on other plays, but I guess it sort of is. In the sense you’re getting at, earlier plays do set up a team’s Win Probability at a given moment. Of course, there are so many ways of getting to a given Win Probability. WPA doesn’t care what the plays were, only what the percentage is at the moment.

Future plays, though, don’t affect past WPA in any way.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

You answered the question even though you didn’t know what it was! Like I said, I am still trying to get a handle on all of these new stats…I still lean towards the basics like BA, RBIs, etc., but, as we can see with guys like Kenshin, traditional stats may not tell the whole story…

by Jman781 on Jun 30, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so glad the Braves stood their ground against this guy.All year long they have been talking this dude up,so much they figure he can’t lose.The last couple of starts he has lost and I’m glad we beat him.After the game they were still making excuses for the guy.Yea he’s good but he just like every other pitcher that pitches he can be beat.Hell Hudson out pitched by far you ask me and yet and still he gets all the press.Hudson matced him pitch for pitch and he clearly was the better pitcher in this game.Proud of the Braves they are playing the way we Braves fans finally knew they were capable of playing.

by LakersMania on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Knew I at least could count on TC to give Huddy the respect he deserves

Both in the headline and the opening paragraphs. I’m not going to let myself get all worked up over the Strasburg hype, because the kid is really, really good, but seriously (from the AP):

Strasburg, wearing a goatee and high socks, . . .

WHAT ABOUT HUDSON’S SOUL PATCH?!?

by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I made a conscious effort to avoid overdoing the Strasburg hype.

As you could probably tell.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why.

A combination of humidity, the mound, and not having his best stuff was all that kept him from a perfect game.

by l0stnumber on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta won but the first sentence on the SI.com recap is

ATLANTA (AP) — Stephen Strasburg said he " kind of battled myself" through the most difficult of his five big league starts.

Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.

by hawves on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, i'm over it.

however, come October, if we win it all and the front page headline reads “Yankees lose WS—-A-Rod chokes in critical AB with bases loaded”…

the Atlantaxation of Chattanooga.

by sanctarian on Jun 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea

There would be an uproar

by drumzalicious on Jun 29, 2010 1:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would

frame that.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty pathetic

But I do have some sympathy for Strasburg. In last three starts he’s gotten one run in support.

No matter how good you are, one run over three starts is not going to do it.

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have sympathy for him at all. I want his butt out of Atlanta. Buck Belue was saying on 680 the fan to boo him out of town. A lot of fans did that. It was fun to boo him.
And if you play for the Nats, you won’t get very good offensive support.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Classy comment not

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Booing isn’t too classy, but doing something to burst the hype bubble would have been awesome. Maybe picking tonight to do one of the Photoshop jobs on the jumbotron and showing the nats as clowns or something, or a T-shirt/banner giveaway with the item reading “who?” or “hype schmype” or something. I mean, it was a packed house, we’re the team to beat right now and we’ve got our own stories going (Bobby, Chipper, Heyward, etc) that don’t deserve to be backburnered for this kid. There are ways to good-naturedly rib him and create a fun, confident atmosphere without booing.

by J-Freak on Jun 29, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry if you found it rude but the hype and “stats” (like most Ks in first 4 starts) is really annoying me. I guess it’s annoying a lot of people! Booing isn’t classy, but it is fun.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The worst part of that is that it’s not going to stop. Two years from now, they’ll be saying “Most K’s in first 70 starts”

by joshmaurer on Jun 29, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why i almost never watch ESPN

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did you know that Strasburg has the most K’s through 5 starts, on Monday nights, with a three-quarters moon, on even numbered days, when the temperature is above 85 degrees, when he has eggs and bacon for breakfast??

TRUE STORY! I just heard that stat on ESPN, remarkable!

People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by mvandonsel on Jun 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

but is he gritty?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rumor has it that...

He has the grit of 1000 Ecksteins…

People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by mvandonsel on Jun 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG NO WAY!!!!

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really entertaining game

From both sides. It was interesting to see how Strasburg and Hudson each dealt with the errors they were given and the problems they ran into.

I’m still trying to figure out though what John Riggleman was trying to do there in the 7th inning after Bernadina’s double. I get the bunt to get him over to third – you’re in a 0-0 game with Strasburg lights out so far – but gambling on the fact that Hudson/Cox would decide to walk Gonzalez just seems really stupid. Hudson had struck him out both times before, and if he walked him then the double play would be setup, no matter the pinch hitter. What made it worse was after Gonzalez struck out Riggleman didn’t pinch hit for Strasburg, essentially giving up and conceding the go ahead run at third.

That inning (and maybe the game) could have played out so much differently if Riggleman had made a few different decisions. Anyways, its definitely not the first time a manager has given us the game this year, so I’ll keep taking it. Just surprises me.

by sag969 on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Riggleman puzzled me as well. Why did he not go for the run over another inning of Strasburg? That whole situation made no sense to me. I would have pitch hit for Strasburg just so that it would give my team a chance to score. He basically gave the Braves 2 outs.

by romone_braves91 on Jun 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

If you already sacrificed the runner to 3rd, you have to go for broke and pinch hit, even if it means taking out Strasburg.

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm...

He coaches the Nationals? Is that enough of an explanation?

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is John RIggleman?

"To live is to war with trolls..." - Henrik Ibsen

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 29, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

If so, he is the Nats manager.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Riggleman is the Nat’s manager.

"To live is to war with trolls..." - Henrik Ibsen

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 29, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick picky are you?

Does pointing out others mistakes in some way make you feel better about yourself?

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

*nitpicky, before you nitpicked again.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel fine about myself

Thanks so much for asking.

"To live is to war with trolls..." - Henrik Ibsen

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 29, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

100000000x

Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.

by hawves on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm

on a boat.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a Rickroll

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Jun 29, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Link fail

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Jun 29, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I give up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU

Copy-paste it if you want. I’m gonna make breakfast.

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Jun 29, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg good-Huddy better

The national’s pitcher is going to be a good to great pitcher some day but i think he doesn’t pitch inside enough. tonight he lived on the outside. Hudson pitched his butt off. his team got him the W. GOOD GOING BRAVES!

by williejay1 on Jun 28, 2010 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure you used the correct verb tense re: Strazzy

"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."

-Ichiro

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 29, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went to the game tonight. Crowd was really fired up and into it in the 7th. When Chipper lead off that inning, the crowd chopped for almost all of his at bat. we must have chopped 10 times that inning. And booing Strasburg was fun. A lot of the crowd boo’d him. Not Chipper/Mets booing but still a lot of jeers. Had a lot of fun.
LVP in the crowd: idiot blowing a vuvuzela.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 28, 2010 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Plate appearance, not AB i guess, since he walked

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 28, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LVP from watching the game on TV last night was the dude sitting behind home plate.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You got that right

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So apparently… according to Sutcliffe and Boone, the Braves traded Elvis Andrews and Nefalti Perez for Texiera. And we have Freddie Freidman waiting to take over 1st baseman… /facepalm

by dkinser86 on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh

Dear

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wait why are we going back in time?

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Jun 28, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We

gotta do something with this hot tub.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

the conversation between Sutcliffe and Boone was just how valuable and how shrewd of a move it was for Wren to sign Glaus. We haven’t had a 1st basemen produce like this since Texiera.

I was just pointing out how the completely butchered the names. It was like ESPN said, well Strasburg is out of the game, let’s talk about the Braves, and Sutcliffe and Boone looked at each other like, “Braves?? Who are they?”

by dkinser86 on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutcliffe and Boone

they suck

Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.

by hawves on Jun 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t tell me we threw in Matt Harrison, too!

"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."

-Ichiro

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 29, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

Can we get Felix and Andrus back, then?

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mets lose, Phillies lose.

Today was a good day.

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed. (Minus the Heyward to DL and KK going to the pen.)

by romone_braves91 on Jun 28, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyward has been horrible since he injured the thumb. The team took the smart decision to take him out of the lineup and put him in the DL. And Medlen is better than Kawakami.

by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Jun 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is completely irrelevant

Only thought about it because people were talking about the possibility of the no-hitter before the game. Here’s the line-up against which Randy Johnson threw his perfect game.

1. Jesse Garcia-seriously, this guy was leading off for us in 2004.
2. Julio Franco
3. Chipper Jones-he was batting .238 at the time with an OBP around .300
4. Andruw Jones
5. Johnny Estrada-not only did we have Johnny Estrada batting FIFTH, it actually made sense, given that team
6. J.D. Drew-he was by far the best hitter in our line-up
7. Mark DeRosa-ugh. He was hitting .201 on the day of this game. This was the year he was SOOO bad for us.
8. Nick Green
9. Mike Hampton-you could make the case that Hampton wasn’t the worst hitter in the line-up.

by Bronn on Jun 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Hampton was actually a good hitting pitcher, lol.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ugh

Every time I think of Mike Hampton I want to cry a little.

I can’t think of many guys who had a more negative impact on the Braves last decade than Hampton. I realize most Braves players love the guy and he might have a great personality, but he sucked so much money out of us for nothing.

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a bit uninformed of you

We barely paid him anything. For the first two years we had him, the vast majority of his salary (I thinking, like, all but $2 million) were paid by the Rockies and Astros. Then after he got hurt in 2005, he became a big insurance write-off. I think the only year we got stuck without getting anything back, was 2007. Which sucks, to pay a guy without getting anything back, but it’s not like people think, where he was just soaking up the front office’s money for years and years.

by Bronn on Jun 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The worst thing Hampton cost us

Was a roster spot.

The additional misdemeanors of

1. sullying a Braves uniform

and

2. making us go through his dog and pony injury show every year he was here

weren’t fun, but I’m not stressing that much over it all.

We had some real knuckleknobs in our rotation for a few years after Glavine and Maddux left.

"To live is to war with trolls..." - Henrik Ibsen

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 29, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

but not a spot on the 25 man for very long

"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."

-Ichiro

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 29, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

or the 40-man, really.

He spent like half his time on the 60-day DL, which doesn’t use any type of roster spot.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a super dooper fielding pitcher.

HE STOLE A GOLDEN GLOVE FROM GREG!!!

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by SuperNewb on Jun 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure where you're going with this

But, you do know the lineup the Braves had when they got no hit in April, right? Aside from Blanco and Hinske, its practically identical.

We all know that the current Braves are light/dark compared to the team in April, but yeah, it wasn’t such a stretch to think we could not get no hit again.

Hell, the Rays – one of the top five teams in baseball the last few years – have been no hit three? times in the last two years.

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just said it was completely irrelevant

But felt like sharing. This is ridiculously much stronger line-up than that one.

by Bronn on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who the he'll

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who the hell is Jesse Garcia?

(sorry for the double post.)

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was a back-up shortstop for us.

He played during Furcal’s DL stint. He almost spent more playing in 2004 than in the rest of his career combined.

by Bronn on Jun 29, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA…hell if i know who he is. Thanks for the info. I never would’ve guessed that.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I thought Greene was our SS then.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 29, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Green played his way into our hearts at second.

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by BullManUGA on Jun 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, thanks. I do remeber him being quite versitile though…right?

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That little jerk...

hit a walk-off home run against the Braves last year, on Father’s Day, when I was at Fenway Park last year. I pretty much hate him! :)

People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by mvandonsel on Jun 29, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god…don’t even remind me of that Boston Series. What a joke that was.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you didn’t travel 3000 miles to witness it!

People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by mvandonsel on Jun 29, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't remember him either

"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."

-Ichiro

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 29, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely random but I found this funny...
He had a 3.91 ERA in his other four starts, and received only 1.5 offensive support runs per nine innings pitched before his injury.

We are replacing KK with 2 run support per game for a guy who has a run support of 1.5.

by romone_braves91 on Jun 29, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

If not obvious, the “he” is Jair Jurrjens. This quote also came from DOB.

by romone_braves91 on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

But JJ is a lock for 11 wins

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the postgame radio show they said that Chipper was encouraging esco in the dugout…gotta love Chipper and his leadership.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Huddy

Can help him with his hitting :P

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Huddy was encouraging him after he made an error

Just letting him know, it didn’t lead to a run, and not to feel bad about it. I thought that was thoughtful of Huddy.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Huddy and Chipper for that

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

He came through in the 7th with that single though, so hopefully that gives him a boost.

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i LOVE this team

Oh, and Strasburg, you’ll have a great career and all, but this is what it’s like to face the best team in the National League. I hope you took notice.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

really i dont wish him a good career being him pitching in our division. i hate the fact that we will have to face him 5 or 6 times a year. I give him respect and all but i wish he loses every braves game he plays in for his career

by d1gram420 on Jun 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I wish he goes 0-30 every season and we knock him out by the 3rd inning every time we face him. But we all know that’s not happening.

I bet you this though: Strasburg will go to sleep tonight thinking, “I hope I don’t have to face that team again.” We didn’t swing at more than 3 or 4 pitches outside of the zone all night. The Pirates, Royals, Indians and Sox all had hitters whiffing like little kids out there.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Strasburger got grilled

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I imagine the ESPN guys ran out of stuff to talk about when he got drilled in the 7th.

“well, Strasburg isn’t doing so well…so let’s talk about his grades in high school and the brand of shampoo he uses.”

Seriously, it’s worse than the hype Jay Hey got.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah

It’s just worse when it’s for somebody else’ prospect. I’m sure most other fans felt the same way about Jason.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just jealous that Starsburg stole what little coverage we were getting with the Heyward Hype machine. Oh well, back to playing 1st place ball in the shadows is fine with me.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Its just like facing Josh Johnson, Johan Santana, or Roy Halladay a few times a year. Every team has their ace. We wouldn’t want it to be too easy, right?

by sag969 on Jun 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg pitched a hell of a game. That error couldn’t have come at the worst time. From runner on third and two outs to bases loaded and no outs. That’s tough for any pitcher.

by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Jun 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you loling?

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

YOUR FACE!

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009

by SuperNewb on Jun 29, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

"I've been to two rodeos and three goat ropin's, but I've never seen anything like that" - Joe Simpson on Brooks Conrad's walkoff Grand Slam, 5/20/10

by BraveSaluki on Jun 29, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you met the Farm Hand?!

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.

by Scott Coleman on Jun 29, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oooooooooh

I believe i have just been owned…

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice post from FB...lol

I officially HATE THIS TEAM
Keep Strasburg. Keep Zimm. Keep Dunn.
Get rid of EVERYBODY ELSE. Including Desmond.
But FIRE RIGGLEMAN. PLEASE. I’m done.
And yes, i have been drinking, but somehow i think my thoughts are still lucid.
SeanMac1 – June 29, 2010

you hate the team go buy some Yankees gear. I just found this comment funny.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 1:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sounds like many on here during the 9 game losing streak.

Even tonight before we scored, it was difficult to find many positive comments about our team other than a few concerning Huddy.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

I’ll take Drew Storen if they’re gonna get rid of everyone

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll

take the other Zimmermann.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg can have all the headlines he wants

as long as we get this kind of attendance each night

"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."

-Ichiro

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The crowd was electric last night. We were cheering when Huddy had 2 strikes with no one on and only one out in like THIRD inning. It was amazing.

by McGriff the Crime Dog on Jun 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strasburg is a good pitcher with a good head on his shoulders much like Heyward

I for one wish him the best, except when playing the Braves.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I never wish anyone a bad career

I just hope their career numbers against the Braves suck

by foxrobe on Jun 29, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Good game by Hudson

Strasburg did well also and I’m glad that this year’s team is on the winning side of all of these pitching duels we’re having.

Also big ups to Venters for those 2 innings at the end of the game. You could tell he wasn’t used to the 2 inning thing but he still did well.

by drumzalicious on Jun 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

he has been a starter for most of his career, so he is used to pitching more than one inning.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 29, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He started his major league career with 3 innings against Colorado in the Ubaldo no hitter.

by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Jun 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming from a die-hard Braves fan...

The rest of the baseball world probably cares more about Steven Strasburg than the Atlanta Braves, at least at the current moment. At Talking Chop, you are going to get a Braves-oriented recap; whereas, at Amazin Avenue or Fish Stripes you are expected to get recaps focused around those teams. Major news outlets (after all, being major news outlets) are going to try to appeal to Strasburg-mania. It maybe stupid, inconsiderate, and disrespectful to our club, but hey, since when did ESPN start giving a crap?

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 AM EDT reply actions  

And yes

I shall be calling him Steven.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jun 29, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Braves had lost against the Cubs on opening day, it wouldn’t have mattered more than the HR by Heyward to start his career.

The talent young players like Heyward and Strasburg have is not common, and even though I’m a Braves fan, I’m a baseball fan first. I aprreciate what Strasburg has done to start his career, it’s amazing and I don’t think it’s disrespectful. Strasburg was one error away from throwing 7 scoreless innings against the best lineup in the NL.

by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Jun 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have time to catch up reading (I will later) but wanted to pop over to say...

LOVELY WIN!!

Let’s get another tonight!

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jun 29, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol love this .gif

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Missed you last night in the OT.

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That guy....

wouldn’t just happen to be you, would he?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I could think while watching Strasburg leave the mound was…….

“You better get used to it kid, you’re going to be playing Atlanta for a long time.”

by dragonhawk26 on Jun 29, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

All I could think was “You’d better get used to it kid, you got drafted by the Nationals.”

by McGriff the Crime Dog on Jun 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even notice the five straight strikeouts in the 5th and 6th because late in the fourth, I noticed I was sitting two rows in front of Matthew Stafford, so I began scheming ways to get into a picture with him without crawling over two rows over people.

by Gage23 on Jun 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Matthew Stafford? Awesome!

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jun 29, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

for having better seats than Stafford!

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha that’s what I told my roommate to change her status to.

by Gage23 on Jun 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This quote is too funy.
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

My new sig for now :)

Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 29, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

HaHaHa, that made me laugh.

And KUDOS for the “balancing out” GREEN post above for Huddy.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

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