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The Braves' 5-Run Win Streak Is More Impressive Than You Think

Thanks to TC member carpengui for asking the question that led to this post...

As many of you probably know, the Braves are undefeated when scoring 5 or more runs. They are 31-0 in that scenario this year. Stretching back to last year, in fact, they have won 42 straight games when they put up a 5 spot.

All that sounds fairly impressive. But I know that I had sort of dismissed the streak as fluky and not that meaningful--after all, don't most teams win almost all of their 5-run games? I also figured that there were at least a dozen or so longer streaks in MLB history. As it turns out, I was wrong on both counts.

The Braves' streak is tied for the longest such streak in major-league history. And it puts the Braves in some extremely impressive company. According to the indispensable baseball-reference.com, here are the top 5 win streaks when scoring 5+ runs (counting multiple-season streaks):

T1) 2009-2010 Braves-- 42 straight
T1) 2003-2004 Marlins-- 42 straight
T3) 1995-1996 Braves-- 40 straight
T3) 1988-1989 A's-- 40 straight
T3) 1961-1962 Yankees-- 40 straight

Notice anything about those teams? You should. The presence of the 1995-1996 Braves on that list gives you a hint. Let's look at the four previous teams to win 40 or more consecutive 5-run games in more detail:

2003-2004 Marlins

2003 Results: 91-71 (.562), won Wild Card, won World Series
2004 Results: 83-79 (.512), 3rd in NL East

1995-1996 Braves

1995 Results: 90-54 (.625), won NL East, won World Series
1996 Results: 96-66 (.593), won NL East, lost World Series

1988-1989 A's

1988 Results: 104-58 (.642), won AL West, lost World Series
1989 Results: 99-63 (.611), won AL West, won World Series

1961-1962 Yankees

1961 Results: 109-53 (.676), won AL, won World Series
1962 Results: 96-66 (.593), won AL, won World Series

So... yeah. Those were some good teams. Every one of the 4 teams won a World Series during at least 1 of the 2 seasons of its streak. Except for the 2004 Marlins, every season ended in a World Series berth. And it should be noted that the vast majority of the Marlins' streak took place in 2003, not 2004 (much as how most of the current Braves' streak has come in 2010).

This certainly bodes well for the Braves' chances this year, doesn't it?

Also, note that Bobby Cox has 2 of the top 5 streaks, which seems like a testament to his skills as a manager. I'm not sure what goes into a winning streak like this, but I'd guess it's some combination of 1) luck, 2) team chemistry, 3) good pitching, and 4) good tactical decisions. Obviously, Bobby didn't influence #1 and #3 too much, but I think it's fair to give him credit for #s 2 and 4. Yet another reason to appreciate him as he prepares to ride off into the sunset.

An interesting side note is that the manager of the 1961-1962 Yankees was none other than Ralph Houk, who was Bobby's manager during his brief major-league stint in the late '60s. Perhaps Bobby picked up a few tricks from Houk.

After the jump, I give the list for the longest streaks of 5-run wins in the same season.

Star-divide

As near as I can tell, there have been 16 single-season streaks at least as long as the Braves' current 31-gamer. If the Braves win their next 5-run game, they'll enter the top 10. They need 6 more to tie the record of 37. Here's the list (the final results for each team is in parentheses):

    1) 1961 Yankees-- 37 straight (won WS)
    2) 1989 Brewers-- 36 straight (4th in AL East)
  T3) 2003 Marlins-- 35 straight (won WS)
  T3) 1983 Orioles-- 35 straight (won WS
  T3) 1973 Dodgers-- 35 straight (2nd in NL West)
  T6) 2005 A's-- 33 straight (2nd in AL West)
  T6) 1968 Orioles-- 33 straight  (2nd in AL East)
  T8) 2008 Rays-- 32 straight (lost WS)
  T8) 1985 Mets-- 32 straight (2nd in NL East)
  T8) 1977 Royals-- 32 straight (lost ALCS)
T11) 2010 Braves-- 31 straight (?????)
T11) 1991 White Sox-- 31 straight (2nd in AL West)
T11) 1981 Phillies-- 31 straight (lost NLDS in the weird strike-shortened split season)
T11) 1975 A's-- 31 straight (lost ALCS)
T11) 1954 Indians-- 31 straight (lost WS)
T11) 1928 Browns (now the Orioles)-- 31 straight (3rd in AL)

This list is more of a mixed bag. Half of the teams made the playoffs, and 6 more finished 2nd... but the '89 Brewers went only 81-81 and finished 4th. Still, all the teams other than the Brewers finished above .500. The '73 Dodgers (.590 winning percentage) and '85 Mets (.605) were legitimately great teams that finished just out of the playoff race. The '68 Orioles (.562), '05 A's (.543), '91 White Sox (.537) and '28 Browns (.532) were all pretty good, too. Also of note-- the 1954 Indians went 111-43, good for a .721 winning percentage, which is just ridiculous. It's kind of amazing that they were swept in the WS by the Giants.

What do you guys think of the Braves' streak? How impressed are you? What do you think helps a team have a streak like this? Are we destined to win the WS now?

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Holy Heyward

All I can say is WOW! keep up the good work, Braves and good luck winning your 14th straight series.

I LOVE this team…

The future is the present. Jason Heyward has arrived.

by hawves on Jun 21, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m impressed, but I’m not surprised. I’ve always thought this year’s team had a potent offense.

And yes, I think the Braves are destined to win the World Series now. Cox, Chipper and Wagner will ride off into the sunset on white horses!

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 21, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome

Great Job writing this. I am feeling very good vibes about this team as I have all season. Keep it up BRAVES!

by JC29 on Jun 21, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

This season just has a certain feel to it. I can’t really explain it, but it just seems like this team is destined for a World Series run. This statistic right here just kind of falls in line with that feeling.

"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson

by sleezer1788 on Jun 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

This is Atlanta's year

I wouldn’t be surprised if Atlanta doubled its championships this year. AKA Braves and Falcons

by hooshman on Jun 21, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

this

heyward and weatherspoon ftw.

by chipsicyhotcorner on Jun 22, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

SPOOOOOOON!

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 22, 2010 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahah no.

If the AP voted on the best soccer team after pool play and one additional game, no would would have the idiocy to use the term "champion" for that.

by AllSaintsDay on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would require the Falcons to beat the Colts in the Super Bowl

that’s not happening.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 22, 2010 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

colts wont get past the charghas. rivers is making a run this year.

by chipsicyhotcorner on Jun 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree...

Go Braves.

Go Falcons.

Now, if we could just get the Hawks and the Thrashers to do something. People outside of the South might recognize ATL a little more. I doubt it, but whatever. Everyone else is stupid.

by XBEARDX on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...

Call back when the Falcons can win more than 9 games.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 22, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm reminded why I never watch Yankee games on ESPN

They’re too busy getting on their knees for Jeter to be bothered with play by play, and the remind us that the 2001 WS was the most dramatic since the 1976 Reds/Red Sox Series.

Seriously, so easy to forget 1991?

by Bronn on Jun 21, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

But the 2001 series went seven games!!

Wait a minute…

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 21, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also harped on the Braves for about 2 seconds, briefly, literally saying, “the Braves are doing their thing,” and then immediately went into the possible Mets/Phils re-configuration scenrios for the next solid 2 minutes. Followed by, “the Phils aren’t going to be behind for long.”

lol. Bring it, asswipes.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was funny

“Hey how about the Braves in first place! They’re 2.5 ahead of the Mets, and 5.5 ahead of the Phillies.”

“Yeah, but the Phillies are going to get Jimmy Rollins back. Jimmy Rollins is a great player, you know, they really miss his leadership. I’m not saying that he’s going to put the team on his back and then single-handedly hit their back into first place, but they’re a much improved team with him there, setting the example. The Phillies aren’t out of it yet.”

And they continued talking about the Phillies for several minutes.

by Bronn on Jun 21, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys are living in 2008. Getting 2 in a row is easier said than done.

Once JJ steps in for KK, ahem, things look even better. Even if we played the Yankees in the Series, I think we would be ready for ’em. This time. For sure.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just need to make sure to find Jim Leyritz, wherever he is (Sing-Sing Correctional Facility?) and bean him first.

by Bronn on Jun 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't gone to trial yet.

I sincerely hope that worm doesn’t wriggle off the hook.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 22, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN sucks at Baseball

Expecting anything different is just not going to work out well. They’ve hated the Braves since the Charley Steiner-Dan Patrick days and they’re not stopping anytime soon.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny because Dan Patrick seems to really like Smoltz.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 22, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easy to kiss up now

After he’s amassed a HOF resumé.

It wasn’t just those two, it was the whole network. Gammons was the first one to clue then in that a new day was comin’.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 22, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan & Jon Miller

need to learn how to shut up. How the hell did Miller win the Ford C. Frick Award anyway?

The future is the present. Jason Heyward has arrived.

by hawves on Jun 21, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

But it’s not them doing the game tonight, at least. Aaron Boone is one of the guys, and I think another is Rick Sutcliffe. Regardless, ESPN shows a remarkable ability to hire guys who suck at calling baseball games.

by Bronn on Jun 22, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

aww

Its not them? I wanted to bash them some more. I really hate them for some OBVIOUS reason.

The future is the present. Jason Heyward has arrived.

by hawves on Jun 22, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

except Boog.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Jun 22, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutcliffe

Is the Bob Davie of baseball.

by softbatch on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

How the hell did Miller win the Ford C. Frick Award anyway?

For putting up with Joe Morgan all these years.

...fuck lucky charms

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol'd

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 22, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job! And quick, too.

Like you, I too thought that by scoring 5 runs or more would result in a lot of wins. Surprise! Pleasant one at that, considering this current Braves’ streak. I’m encouraged (though cautiously, still) about the Braves’ chances at/in the post season due to their streak since reading the findings of your research. I think it’s even more amazing that more teams didn’t win their respective division when on some of those long streaks within a given season. I don’t know if my request was solely responsible for that second part, but thanks, regardless.

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by Old Braves' Fan on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...

I guess it’s tough to maintain such a streak because you eventually score five when the other team puts their scrub pitchers in to mop up a blowout win for their team.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the Braves ever score 5 runs when KK is pitching, it’d better not be his first complete game…..

by scorby911 on Jun 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

We did score 5 runs when he pitched last. In fact, we scored 8. He was the one that fucked it up.

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by BullManUGA on Jun 22, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby's got to come back for one more year of this club

We’re so damn good.

Think about it….when Bobby leaves…..who else leaves? Chip? Glaus? …Because they all love playing for Bobby.

I hope Bob comes back for one more after we win this damned thing.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 21, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Soooo...

I should put money on the Braves at least making the WS?

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Jun 21, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

How/where did you go about doing it?

I’ve seriously thought aboot it.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

bodog sportsbook

i play poekr there too and happened to win a buttload of money so i decided i mgiht as well relegate some on the braves. payouts for today were 500 to win 6000 or 1000 to win 12000

thats to win the WS

i considered making a bet on just to make the WS but i decided to put more faith in the braves than that. i would hate to see them go and win and me only have money on them going to the WS. its all or nothing

payouts for to make it to WS only is 1000 to win 4500

by MacsGlasses on Jun 22, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dang

I knew I should have picked 10 in the fan confidence poll

by ChitownBravos on Jun 21, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

VOTE PRADO


“Is there anybody in there?”

VOTE PRADO

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like he’s doing some break-dancing in this photo.

"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson

by sleezer1788 on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, you’re right

"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"

by Bravely going forward on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marteenee

Took a bit of a pounding this week from the Royals out there.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 22, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am both surprised and impressed by this streak. I don’t want to make too much out of it, though. I’m cautiously optimistic, and I’ve got a couple of comments.

First: luck. Most sabermetricians agree that a team’s record in 1-run games has a lot to do with luck, as does the differential between their Pythagorean win/loss record (otherwise known as their “expected record”) and their actual won/loss record. Right now, the Braves are 12-11 in 1-run games, and their expected won loss record is 42-28 — exactly where their actual record stands. In other words, statistically speaking, this team really hasn’t been all that lucky. Obviously, we can point at specific games where we got incredibly lucky (like a particular game against the Reds, for example), but overall, it’s been pretty even up to this point in the season. I’m not really sure how to feel about that.

Team chemistry isn’t really quantifiable, so I’ll leave that one up for grabs. This team is playing with confidence, though, and they sure seem to be having a hell of a lot of fun out there.

Pitching, particularly relief pitching, is definitely a big deal. I haven’t bothered to dig through baseball-reference to see if ALL those teams had dominant closers, but I’m pretty sure that the ‘88-’89 A’s had Eck shutting the door, and the ‘95-’96 Braves had Wohlers. If I remember correctly, those Marlins teams had Braden Looper, too, back when he was still a badass. I doubt that the ‘61 or ’62 Yankees had a great closer. At a guess, though, I’d be willing to bet that having Roger Maris in his 61* HR season probably helped a little bit.

And, despite what some people around here seem to think, Bobby Cox knows how to manage a ballgame. He consistently makes good tactical decisions that sway the odds as much in the Braves’ favor as possible.

As a side note, I am kind of curious about how much of a role defense plays in this. I’ll leave that for more statistically-minded people, or for a time when I don’t have to be up for work in six hours.

by kidnarcolepsy on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Job of research

Well deserving of a Rec – thanks for answering my question in spades!

Most surprising thing to me? Seeing no sign of the great Yankee teams of the 1920’s and 30’s… at any point. In fact only the 1928 St. Louis Browns made the list from that era (a team that went 82-72 and whose roster is totally unknown to me). Curious – wonder if the hard travel during that era hurt teams from continuing such streaks.

Oh, the Yankees broke the Browns streak, 7-5, on Sept. 16th…. and beat ’em again 14-11 two days later. Figures.

"I don't think there's any greater free-swinger in the game than Jeff Francoeur" - Tim McCarver, 4/17/2010

by carpengui on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I know why there aren't many teams from the 20's and 30's.

The scoring was really high during those years. When teams score more, it’s harder to win with just 5 runs. Lots of 7-6 games and such. There were also fewer long 5-run win streaks during the late ’90s and early ’00s, when scoring was very high. Which makes what the ’03 Marlins did that much more impressive.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article (especially for an off day)

Answering your questions:

1. The Braves streak is awesome yet lucky (one game that pops in my mind is Cincy). Besides that game, it is still impressive that we can almost (knocking on wood) say that 5 runs is an auto win for us.

2. I am very impress considering we have lots of our starters/big contributors (Saito, JJ, Diaz, etc.) are either hurt, on the DL, or performing below their career average and still are able to put up 5 runs or more, gain the lead, and hold on for the win. (Thank you Prado, Glaus, Venters, and Wagner)

3. Great game management by Bobby (playing percentage ball and playing small ball to gain extra needed runs). Great pitching by bullpen (hold the leads). And of course, great offense production (great situational hitting).

4. No comment (baseball superstitious here)

by romone_braves91 on Jun 22, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

i feel like

someone commented I have to do a fanpost on this cool 5 run thing!

and then pacgnosis was like nahhhh buddy already a step ahead of you.

by MacsGlasses on Jun 22, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

What about this impressive streak

while being sandwiched in a 9 game losing streak. That’s gotta be pretty weird. I’d imagine that having an average offense would help with the streak as well (if the O produces, then the pitching better fall in line). Now that our O seems to be hitting it’s stride after Hinske was inserted into the lineup we’ll prolly drop 1 eventually.

Regardless, I’m willing to bet this means Bobby goes out on top. No one will tie this streak before the end of the year.

by theatlfan on Jun 22, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I just have 2 words for you:

LAZY. JOURNALISM.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 22, 2010 2:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Haha

Chipper: "It has never been about money for me, and it never will be about money. It has always been about winning, comfort and playing for Bobby Cox."

by HEYJUDE on Jun 22, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is lazy journalism

If you were a real journalist, you’d have called his family and friends to see what kind of a writer he was in kindergarten.

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

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by buzzdeadwax on Jun 22, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

That’s my favorite kind.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

JINX I BLAME YOU PAC!!!

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by MBL1 on Jun 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I blame this post for tonights game

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by SuperNewb on Jun 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

“Hey…did you know you’ve got a no-hitter going?”

by HalleyGator on Jun 23, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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