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Mark Bradley makes me furious

Good Lord, it never ends with this guy.  Warning, don't click this LINK unless you are prepared to become infuriated!

$95 million doesn’t go as far as it did

But apparently $45 million does, at least that's what he thought last week when he insinuated the Marlins are the team to beat.  "I like the look of these Fish."

Star-divide

My main problem with this article is not the fact that he is yet again bashing the Braves and Frank Wren, it's that you can't figure out exactly what he is bashing them for.  First he makes it appear that not signing Johnny Damon was the big issue, but he blows that argument in his second sentence.

Johnny Damon has signed with Detroit. This should surprise no one, least of all us Atlantans. 

Well, if it is no surprise then why start your article with it?

Then he tries to make the point that if you spend more money you have a better shot at post-season play, at least that's what I think he's trying to say

Every year Braves chairman Terry McGuirk issues his boilerplate assertion that Liberty Media will spend as much money as is necessary to compete, but with each passing year it becomes clear the money just isn’t there, at least not to buy ballplayers.

Then he turns right around and disproves his own point.

No, you can’t buy just yourselves a World Series title. If you could, the Yankees would have won every year for a decade, as opposed to once since 2000.

Ok, I"m getting confused so let's try and summarize his ideals.  The Braves are not going to make the playoffs this year because they failed to spend more money, but spending more  money didn't really help teams like the Yankees or Mets win more in the last decade, but you really like the Marlins even though they're payroll is only $45 million.  Huh?  I don't even want to try to sort through this non-sense, so let's move on.

But there hasn’t been a real small-market champion since Florida in 2003, and the expanse between the haves and the have-nots continues to grow.

I don't have much of an argument on that statement itself, except to ask what it has to do with the Braves?

Next he tries to insinuate there is some sort of skill involved with operating on a budget, but yet again he kills his own point in the very next sentence.

And here’s the worst part: The Braves have demonstrated no Billy Beane-like facility for winning big on a budget. (Truth to tell, Billy Beane hasn’t lately, either.)

This new foot-in-mouth journalism must really be taking off.  I wonder if the AJC marketing team came up with this strategy as a means to sell more papers?  

Ok, i'm getting off base here so let's get back to his point.  First he indicated the Braves aren't going to win because there hasn't been a small-market winner since the Marlins in 2003 (even though the Marlins are his favorite to win this year).  Now's he saying the Braves, or rather Frank Wren, doesn't have the skill to operate on a budget like Billy Beane and the Oakland Athletics, another small-market team (Actually I believe Oakland is on the bubble as far as their designation goes, they're either a high end small-market club or a low end mid-market.).  As a seasoned journalist (I can't really believe I just called him that) I would expect Mark Bradley to know the difference between small, mid and large market teams.  Apparently that's asking too much though, so let's try to help him out.  Here are the last 4 payrolls for each team:

First - Florida:

 

 

  • 2009: $ 36,834,000
  • 2008: $ 21,811,500
  • 2007: $ 30,507,000
  • 2006: $ 14,998,500

 

 

Next - Oakland:

 

  • 2009: $ 62,310,000
  • 2008: $ 47,967,126
  • 2007: $ 79,366,940
  • 2006: $ 62,242,079 

Last - Atlanta:

 

 

 

  • 2009: $ 96,726,166
  • 2008: $102,365,683
  • 2007: $ 87,290,833
  • 2006: $ 90,156,876

That took all of 20 seconds to look up on Cot's and bingo, see the HUGE difference?  Actually I knew the Braves were not a similar market defined team as either the Athletics or Marlins before I looked it up and would expect a Braves beat writer to know this as well.  Makes you wonder who his target audience really is?  Anyway, the point is the comparisons are just flat wrong and it's the "meat" of his argument.  I expect better!
He continues:

It takes a certain touch to win games while pinching pennies, and it’s not yet clear Wren possesses it.

 

 

First, as I have proved above - and something he has repeatedly failed to do, we are not "pinching-pennies".  Second, his entire argument that FW can't operate on a budget is based on this snippet of evidence, apparently:

In Wren’s one season as general manager of the Orioles, he signed Albert Belle to the biggest contract — $65 million over five seasons, and this, remember, was 1999 — in franchise history.

How in the hell does that prove Wren cannot operate on a budget?  Further, what does it have to do with his article at all? 

This is just plain bad, and not just bad, i'm talking all-time, Bisher-esque bad!  Hey Mark, the Braves are going to win the 2010 World Series because Peter Forsberg was one helluva Hockey player!

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Bradley’s contradictory comments make you feel like making inappropriate racist remarks?

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

?

Which comment?

Why would you want the TV and the stereo on at the same time?
'Cause I like to party.

by Zach Towery on Feb 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In reference to the title

of a user who just kind of snapped one day, and ultimately was banned for racist remarks

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Clarification

One point I want to make is that particular user wasn’t banned for racists statements, he was banned for making derogatory statements about sexual orientation. I in no way share his point of view and would pray that I am never compared to the like, let alone that I condone racist or homophobic ideas.

It was a poor choice of titles and I’m sorry if I offended!

"I think the Tigers really overpaided here" ... 2/21/2010 by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Johnny Damon signing for $8 Million

by scstrato on Feb 22, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

?????

What the heck am I missing here?

by J-Freak on Feb 22, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

scstrato is doing what we call “overcompensating”.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Feb 22, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But I was fairly offended myself after Hobbs pointed out what should have been obvious.

"I think the Tigers really overpaided here" ... 2/21/2010 by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Johnny Damon signing for $8 Million

by scstrato on Feb 22, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Was trying to make the point that he infuriates me to the point of almost wanting to do something stupid. Good point, didn’t realize I could offend someone with the title reference. I’ll fix that in a jiffy!

"I think the Tigers really overpaided here" ... 2/21/2010 by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Johnny Damon signing for $8 Million

by scstrato on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I was just kidding, man. Not everyone knew the story.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you tell me.

"I think the Tigers really overpaided here" ... 2/21/2010 by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Johnny Damon signing for $8 Million

by scstrato on Feb 22, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You know better to use the word “Racist”, freaks people out.

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I successfully unintentionally derailed the comments section...

Let’s get back to the topic at hand – I get the impression Bradley is in love with Cinderella, and isn’t convinced that a team spending the budget somewhere in the middle-of-the-pack has no desire to win, because they’re “not dedicated enough to spend what it takes.”

By the end of the article it only feels like Bradley is a jaded and repeatedly disappointed homer, and has gone the route of discounting the Braves and hoping to be proven wrong. But you’re right, this article is very much contradicting, and thinking about his points makes me cock my head to the side like a confused dog. He thinks the Braves need to spend more, but also cites that the Yankees couldn’t buy a title?

It all boils down to perspective, and I think Bradley perceives “constricted by a budget” as “being cheap,” while many of us here think more along the lines of “being smarter with your money, at the cost of there being slightly more risk.” But the only difference is that Bradley has a regional audience to spew his opinions out to unlike us.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Bradley does like Cinderella's...

if only because no one pays attention when he’s wrong, and if he lucks out he can cry “Told ya so” after the fact.

But he’s not a “Braves beat” man. He’s a pontificating editorialist. He doesn’t cover any team in particular, he just writes craptastic hatchet jobs chopping up anyone he doesn’t like at the moment, or occassionally praising the greatness of Kentucky basketball.

Good ol’ Cosmo (see his hair).

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Peter Forsburg was indeed one hell of a hockey player…+1 for the reference to my all-time favorite!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Was?

He is still playing for the undefeated Swedish team in the Olympics.

by cavebird on Feb 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang…I haven’t been able to watch any of the hockey games yet, and that is the only winter olympic sport I like to watch.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve discovered I love women’s curling.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

As a friend told me...

it’d be better if they all wore bikinis. I still don’t understand curling unless it’s essentially shuffleboard on ice.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 22, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

understand?

Who needs to understand, it’s mesmerizing. Games last for hours, very little happens, but I can’t change the channel.

by bighop on Feb 22, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

haha…thats funny….even when they call timeouts i listen a little more carefully to the strategy the coaches have….damn curling…

Pujols is NOT God.... sure he'll hit .350, hit 50 bombs, and drive in a 125....but then again...so will Heyward..

by lemke2blauser2bream on Feb 22, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There are several I do NOT want to see in a bikini, thank you very much.

Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?

by Rhyno18 on Feb 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

is hot swedish girls one of them? theres a girl on the british team that wsa moderately cute as well

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 23, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That girl on the British team has some of the most attractive eyes I’ve seen. Apparantly, shes like the Lebron James of female curling.

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 23, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the furious sweeping, but other than that, I can’t get into it.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Friction
After the stone is delivered its trajectory can still be influenced, if necessary, by the two sweepers under instruction from the skip. Sweeping is done for two reasons: to make the stone travel farther, and to change the amount of curl. The stones curl more as they slow down, so sweeping early in travel tends to increase distance as well as straighten the path, and sweeping after sideways motion is established can increase the sideways distance. When sweeping, pressure and speed of the brush head are key in slightly increasing the layers of moisture that builds up under the stone

per Wikipedia

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lol……this has turned into a curling blog…

Pujols is NOT God.... sure he'll hit .350, hit 50 bombs, and drive in a 125....but then again...so will Heyward..

by lemke2blauser2bream on Feb 22, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe alot of men have recently discovered this.

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 22, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Any chick from the Russian team could come up and ask me for a green card marriage and I’d be all about it.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? I don’t see it.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Those aren’t the same girls I saw on TV the other day. Maybe the blonde second from the left, but the rest are unfamiliar.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

recognize?

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

damn size

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, these girls (minus big Bertha there). Justin’s pic was from 07. The girl on the far right was mesmerizing me with her intense Siberian stare.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know where Danish is, and anyway I already know how to say ’you’re so beautiful’ and ‘kiss me’ in Russian.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

damn u sir…i wanted to put this, but u were here first

well played

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 23, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

As big as you claim to be...

I fail to believe you don’t know where the Danish is (as for the people, they’re from Denmark. And is that where danishes come from, because they’re delicious.)

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And it came to me...

it gives new meaning to the term, “I ate a Danish”.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 23, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You can keep the curling team.
I’ll just take 6 losers from here

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading that last night and I had about the same response. I had typed up a long response in defense of Frank Wren, but thought better of submitting myself to the AJC comments section.

The Belle contract comment by Bradley was a low blow. Wren’s had 8+ years to marinate under JS since the signing. I’m not too familiar with Albert Belle, but it looks like he continued to do well 2 years into the contract and arthritis ultimately did him in…

by award6 on Feb 22, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

The Belle signing

is considered the signing that sunk the Orioles. Albert Belle had just played a career year and was signed to a lengthy and hefty contract under new GM Frank Wren (his first GM gig). Belle did play two ok years, though nothing as spectacular as was (probably unrealistically) expected before ending his career early with a degenerative hip condition.

What Bradley also fails to recognize is that a: the signing wasn’t ludicrous, even for the time. Belle was a big time player, and while his contract broke records, it wasn’t like contracts hadn’t already been trending that way. b; Orioles owner Peter Angelos may have issued the edict to sign Albert Belle, Wren may have just done the negotiating.

Either way, Mark Bradley seems to love to hate on the Braves front office. He does so with lots of mis-information, and lots of contradictions. At this point, I simply see no reason to do anything but ignore him.

by Andy Braves Fan on Feb 22, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i believe

he is paid just to be the voice of the idiot. There is always one person on a news team that just complains and some fans like their columns and they are paid to be that particular groups voice.

by drumzalicious on Feb 22, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

“Every village needs an idiot”

Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?

by Rhyno18 on Feb 22, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I want that job. It’s easy to just hate stuff and not have to have any factual information about things.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Why stop at Fox? You could work for any major news outlet with those standards.

Say what you will about their commentary, the actual News on Fox is better than MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC or CBS. Remember Dan Rather?

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll agree to disagree on the relative quality of fox

though I do agree that the 24 hour news cycle is terrible, and that the other news outlets are very very bad.

I didn’t want to get into this debate, so I shouldn’t have said anything at all, so I will end my comment there with the hopes of keeping any political discourse out of the thread.

by Andy Braves Fan on Feb 22, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

with the hopes of keeping any political discourse out of the thread.

You brought it on yourself, you unpatriotic, Satan-worshipping, terrorist-supporting, CNN-loving neo-hippie partial-commie God-hating rat bastard!

/sarcasm

by J-Freak on Feb 22, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah!

The Jordan Schafer Fan Club.

by acie4mvp on Feb 22, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you are hating on them...

…and I appreciate it. But please, avoid using Fox and the q word in the same sentence.
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Quality. That’s the word. It belongs at least that far away. ;)

by cavebird on Feb 23, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

So why not just take the Mets GM position when it opens in June?

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t possibly do worse than Minaya.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone would have to actually TRY to be worse at their job than he is.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a tight race between Minaya and Dayton Moore

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by acie4mvp on Feb 22, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really. At least Dayton has a plan- a bad one, but a plan nonetheless- replicate the Braves by taking every has-been and cast-off that leaves Atlanta. Minaya just sucks up every hispanic in sight with no regard for talent, positional depth, or team need.

by J-Freak on Feb 22, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If Dayton had the money Omar has it’d be close, but since El GM de Nueva York has double the budget, he’s the runaway winner/loser.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Have ya'll guys read...

…the occaional fangraphs articles about “the Contest” between Dayton Moore and Omar Minaya. Per the first article, the author could not determine whether the goal was “to put together a team that might contend in 2005, get fired, or to shatter the blogosphere’s Universal Snark-O-Meter in one fell blow.”

Link: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/scott-podsednik-dayton-moore-and-the-contest/

by cavebird on Feb 23, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Steve Phillips was worse, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t try

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Phillips took them to a World Series.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

read "this writeup":http://archive.metsgeek.com/articles/2006/03/02/steve-phillips-trading-registry-part-one/ by metsgeek.com (or don't- I already did). Basically they say that he was an average/mediocre GM. I was wrong, you're right. damnit

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

link fail

http://archive.metsgeek.com/articles/2006/03/02/steve-phillips-trading-registry-part-one/

"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"

by GoBravesNY on Feb 22, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I am somewhat of a Phillips apologist (except for his choice in women). He gets a bad rap for some reason, when in all reality, he wasn’t that bad.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the guy who took them to the World Series and was in charge when they picked up David Wright, Jose Reyes, and Scott Kazmir. And sure, he made plenty of bad moves, but what GM with a big money team doesn’t. Also, I didn’t realize that he wasn’t the guy who traded away Kazmir.

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by cbwilk on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC, when he was an analyst, he was blasting that move (Kazmir) pretty good. He was not a fan of trading him away at all.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 23, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

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