Atlanta Braves Top-10 Right Handed Starting Pitching Prospects: 1-5
Continuing from yesterday here are the top-5 RHP prospects.
1. Julio Teheran – B/T: R/R, Born: 01/27/1991, Ht: 6'2", Wt: 150 – After teasing Braves fans with tantalizing scouting reports and short bursts of dominance over the past two season, Julio Teheran finally put it all together for one of the best seasons in the minors this year. He dominated opposition that was generally 2-6 years older than him by using an overpowering fastball that he could spot anywhere along with a solid curve and change. Between Rome, Myrtle Beach and Mississippi Teheran compiled a 2.59 ERA in 142.2IP, 108 HA, 40BB and 159K. The most frightening aspect of his game is that he still has room to improve with a small frame that could add weight, velocity and durability and two offspeed pitches which are good but both have the potential to be plus. Julio has all the tools to be a legit #1 starter with the only flag being his durability after being shut down in two different seasons with arm issues. He stayed healthy in 2010 however, and the results were astounding. If everything continues on course for him you could see him start the year in AAA with a chance to be the third 20 year old to play for Atlanta in 2 years.
2. Randall Delgado -- B/T: R/R, Born:02/09/1990, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 165 – For about 2/3 of the season Delgado was Nightwing to Teheran's Batman: similar in a lot of ways, not quite as good as the original, but still pretty bad ass. Unlike Teheran, Delgado started the year at Myrtle Beach and was the best pitcher in the league at the time of his promotion to Mississippi. He held his own in the Southern League as a 20 year old with an ERA of 4.74 (though his 3.55 FIP indicates he was the victim of some poor defense). Delgado's repertoire is similar to Teheran's with a fastball that sits from 90-94 topping out at 96 with a solid curve and change that he mixes in. The separation between the two pitchers is in their command and pure stuff. Teheran is probably a full grade better in both categories making which means Delgado is just a "very good" pitching prospect. The perfect world scenario for Randall is that his command comes together and one of his offspeed pitches progresses into a true outpitch which would give him front of the rotation stuff. As he is now he is going to be a good #2 or 3 in the majors. Look for him to start 2010 in either Mississippi or Gwinnett depending on how the ML and AAA rosters fall.
3. Arodys Vizcaino – B/T: R/R, Born: 11/13/1990, Ht: 6'0", Wt: 189 – The real centerpiece to the Javier Vazquez trade, Arodys Vizcaino was riding a lot of hype coming into 2010 with a few scouts saying he was a better prospect than Teheran. For 3 months he gave Julio a run for his money, highlighted by a 33 inning stint in Rome (across 5 games) where he did not allow an earned run or a walk. He received a promotion to Myrtle Beach and pitched in 3 games before he was shut down for 2 months with an elbow strain. Vizcaino has all the talent in the world with a 90-94 FB and a hammer curveball that is currently the best in the system. Going forward his health and the development of his change are going to be the deciding factors in his future in Atlanta. Will he be a dominant late inning reliever? Or will he be durable and versatile enough to realize his potential as a frontline starting pitcher? Look for him to pick back up in Myrtle Beach next season with a chance to quickly jump to Mississippi if everything clicks.
4. Brandon Beachy – B/T: R/R, Born: 09/03/1986, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 215 – The story of Brandon Beachy is pretty well known by now: a Braves scout sees Beachy pitch (after not getting drafted) in a game where he was watching someone else, signs Beachy the next day, he spends two seasons as a solid swingman/closer across 4 levels of minor league ball and then explodes onto the prospect scene in 2010 by dominating as a closer and then moving to the rotation mid-year and becoming more dominant eventually becoming the minor league ERA leader and making 3 starts in Atlanta. Between 3 levels of play (Miss, Gwin and Atl) he never posted a FIP above 2.51 and maintained a K/9 of 9.0. He throws a sinking 2 seam fastball ranging from 92-94, a curve that flashes from solid average to plus and a developing change that was the real key to his break out season and his success in the rotation. No player in the minors made a bigger jump in recognition than Brandon (winning an ERA title can do that) and he will look to deliver on that next season in Atlanta. Most scouts agree that Beachy has a ceiling of a #4 starter or a late inning reliever and those will be his options with Atlanta next season depending on how the roster shakes out.
5. J.J. Hoover – B/T: R/R, Born: 08/13/1987, Ht: 6'3", Wt: 215 – Mike Newman of Scouting the Sally called Hoover the "most average pitching prospect I've ever seen." This really isn't an indictment of Hoover's talent more than it is a statement that he does a lot of things well but nothing really excellent. There isn't much room for projection in his frame so what he has now is pretty much what he's going to have. But that is still pretty good. His fastball ranges from the high 80s to the low 90s and he can spot it anywhere at any time in the count. His curve can also be anything from average to plus and pretty much the same goes for his change. J.J. split the 2010 season between Myrtle Beach and Mississippi and varied between being very effective and very bad from month to month (ERA by month in MB: April 4.79, May 2.86, June 6.17, July 1.22). He had a solid showing in Mississippi striking out 34 men in 20 innings but struggled with his control by walking 15. At this point Hoover needs to learn more consistency (if you can learn such a thing) both over the whole season and across his repertoire. He comes off as a poor man's Tommy Hanson with slightly worse stuff and command of all his pitches and if everything comes together he could be a #3 starter in the majors. The one thing he does have going for him is he has a pretty high floor. There is a very good chance we will see him in the majors in the next two seasons. Look for J.J. to pick up where he left off in Mississippi in 2011.
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The title today skips “Starting” and should be fixed before rabbling over Kimbrel’s omission commences.
Arodys' arm....
has there been any word on his last outing, where if I’m not mistaken he re-injured his arm? Was it a significant injury, something slightly less but still concerning? I’d rather he go ahead and get things repaired now than risk a Brett Devall like situation where he spends a year doing less than his best, hoping things will heal, before a full blow out.
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haha
oh thats just the tip of the nerd iceberg my friend
I thought hurricane season was over........
This is where the true depth of the system is shown
Hoover is a pretty good prospect and would prolly be the #2 or 3 pitching prospect for most teams in MLB. For us, he’s the #5 RH SP prospect. When you include the LH and the RP, he could rate as low as the #9 or 10 P prospect for us. That’s just plain insane pitching depth. You have to think we’ll deal from this depth and try to reel in OF for both the top club and some prospect depth. It’d be a shame if we go into next year with this entire list (excepting Vizcaino… maybe) ready to make splash in MLB, yet still have the holes in the OF that we see this year.
I can't wait until the day,
a few years from now, when Hanson plays “Matt Cain” to Teheran’s “Tim Lincecum”… Once you throw in Minor and Delgado and Vizcaino, et al, there’s no end to the possibilities. If we can just find some OFs other than Heyward, this team is going to be really damn good for years to come.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
It's a long way from where Teheran is now to Lincecum.
But let’s hope he makes it.
I agree with the bigger point: the 2012 Braves already project as a championship contender.
I was just this AM gazing off into the ultra-hazy future and pondering whether Teheran’s ultimate ceiling was more Lincecum now or Pedro in his prime.
Probably not Pedro in his prime.
Pedro had three years that were basically the best ever. Someone may match them eventually, but of guys who are around now I’d say Strasburg is the only one who has any kind of reasonable possibility of measuring up.
Pedro did have some statistically great years
and they were probably some of the best ever. But let’s not be so quick to forget the string of years that Maddog put together from 92-98. I still think he was THE best pitcher of this generation, probably since Koufax. And as to players who could match up to Pedro’s numbers, I think Josh Johnson has a shot. I think Jimenez could possibly do it, as could Lince. King Felix also has a shot IMO.
by atlbravosfan on Nov 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you realize pedro’ s 3-4 year span he posted 2 of the top 5 best pitching seasons ever according to ERA+ (which isnt a perfect stat, but it normalizes park factors and league factors, so it is great for comparing across generations)….
I love Maddux, and his career was definitely better, and Maddux’ prime was probably one of the top 5 best stretches ever, but Pedro’s 1998-2001 or whatever it was, was down right ridiculous…it was absurd what he was doing.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I’m a huge Maddux fan and I would have to admit also that Pedro’s prime, while shorter than Maddux’s, was even more dominant than what Maddux did.
One can argue, however, that Maddux’s 1994-95 was one of the top 5 best two year stretch in the history of the game.
by LEastCoastBears on Nov 5, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go with the combo pick...
his career starts like Lincecum’s (back to back Cy’s in his first two seasons), then in his prime, he puts up numbers to match Pedro/Maddux in their primes. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
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that’s what I meant … awesomeness of historic proportions. and I didn’t say anything about probability … that’s would be just nuts. by “ultimate ceiling” I meant maximal best case scenario upside.
and in terms of sustained greatness, Mad Dog and Koufax are at the top of the heap over the last 50 years.
To get one of those OFs we need...
why not let lose a little bit of that pitching?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
That's tricky, but I am sure we are working on it.
Generally, for prospects, non-contending teams are selling high-priced rentals. They don’t want to part with their prospects. Contending teams generally aren’t looking for pitching prospects. By far the most common two ways to get good hitters are: (1) Draft them; and (2) pay out the wazoo for free agents. Getting young good cost controlled hitters through trades is pretty rare. If one should become available, however, we should jump on the opportunity.
I absolutely love these.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Nov 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great read
I love reading about Teheran, I’m almost as excited about him as I was Heyward. I hope he’s an absolute stud at the big league level, I’m thinking Felix Hernandez type stud!
I guess all this leads to the quesion
Who’s getting traded for the bat we have been looking for since Andruw’s decline
I’d give up any of them for the right return.
by king of games on Nov 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not what he said….and you would give up JT for the right return as well…if the Cards offered Pujols fo JT you would take it…now that definitely isnt in the realm of reasonable possibilities, but there are infinite other offers that are possible that would be blatantly ignorant not to accept..If the Brewers offer Braun for JT, i would take it in a heartbeat, and that is a relatively realistic possibility, especially if we give them another pitcher. we have to take that deal, IMHO.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I don’t see anything as monumental as that – maybe i’m wrong – but Wren and Melvin need to be locked in a room like a jury and they can’t come out till they come up with a win/win deal.
ya when you look at thte two franchises…it is like they are perfect for each other…there is no reason a trade shouldnt get done…but it probably wont…both teams have basically been in the same position for the last three years and no trade has been made.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
McGehee or another..,
for a solid starter makes so much sense, why don’t they do it?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Well, Melvin says they have changed their strategy supposedly and aren’t going to use FA as the main way to find pitching and will look at the trade market instead. They’ve got too many position players. But they also seem to hold on hard to guys they love.
Well...
if they are looking to trade for pitching, we match up very well to give them just that in exchange for one of their numerous good hitting, poor fielding position players. 2B, 3B, 1B, LF, RF. 5 spots, for more than 5 players with Hart, Braun, Prince, McGehee, Weeks, Lawrie, Gamel, Cain?, young guys like Davis and Richardson, they can fill afford to move one of those first 6 names and still fill 2B, 3B, 1B, LF, and RF.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I love our minor league system. Great work. Teheran’s best pitch is his change but he hasn’t not thrown it as much because hitters are having trouble with his fastball and curveball alone. Crazy. Also, I think Delgado has a slider that his very good that would go with his already solid fastball, change, and curveball. This is awesome
by Braves24 on Nov 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brett DeVall
Brett is in the middle of re-habbing at the Andrews Institute in Gulf Breeze, To this point his arm is feeling good but, he’s not not put the hammer down yet with his fastball or thrown any off speed pitches. That will be the telling tale. I think alot of people are under the perception that pitchers in the minors are taken care of the same as in the bigs. Well, you’re wrong. A pitcher is not iced down( the Braves don’t believe in it) and they are never or very seldom worked on after a game to protect their arms. This is not only the Braves organization but most of the organizations, because the clubhouses are not up to date. The Braves have ruined alot of arms over the years and they are not done yet.
Great Arms
Braves have the best scouts, and the list is true proof minus Adorys whom was traded for by F. Wren which is still a great trade. Braves are set for years to come b/c you have to figure two out of five of these guys are gonna be frontline starters, solid #4 in Beachy, and anything Hoover and Delgado offer is a great bonus.
Go Braves.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
We can totally do what the Giants did this year
Of course, with better luck, we could have done that THIS year but my point is that the Giants were able to basically build their offense from a bunch of castoffs. While it would be a lot more comforting to add a young great bats to our core mix of Heyward, McCann, and Prado, maybe with more dominant pitching in the horizon, we can be lucky enough to win 1-2 titles in the near future.

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