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Braves Could Trade Kawakami Back To Japan

From Mark Bowman comes this wonderful bit of news about how the Braves can rid themselves of a mistake free agent and get some salary relief in the process:

It sounds like at least one Japanese team has shown strong interest in acquiring Kenshin Kawakami from the Braves.  The club is believed to be willing to assume approximately $3 million of the $6.67 million the Braves still owe the Japanese right-hander next year. 

One Japanese reporter indicted the Yomiuri Giants and Nippon Ham Fighters have shown some interest.  But it's believed the Braves might have found at least one other more attractive suitor from the Japanese League. 

Before signing with the Braves back in 2008, Kawakami drew major interest from the Hanshin Tigers in the Japanese League. It may be wishful thinking, but if Hanshin still has interest in Kawakami, perhaps a trade could be worked out that would send KK there in exchange for former Georgia Tech outfielder Matt Murton, who is currently in the middle of a two-year contract with the Tigers. Murton almost broke the single season home run record in Japan this year, and he did break Ichiro Suzuki's single season hits record while posting a slash line of .349/.395/.499.

This would involve a lot of speculation on my part, but Murton could help solve the Braves left field problem and its Kawakami problem. Make it happen Frank!

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Always loved murton.

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by BenDuronio on Oct 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

he broke the record in like 8,12, 14 more games, something like that, still very impressive but who knows how it would translate. Im not saying he couldnt help but I think he has much more value to them then any mlb team, and probably more value to them than kk.

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by 15ks on Oct 21, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Ichiro needed 8 additional games

To break George Sisler’s record.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 21, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

well depending on how many he broke it by then, he may or may not have had a better season for hits than sisler did. other than that im not sure what that has to do with the deal, i shouldn’t have mentioned it myself, it was pointless

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by 15ks on Oct 22, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this is true, sayonara KK. Best of luck in Japan, and a shame fate didn’t turn out better for you. You weren’t nearly as bad as some people would like to believe.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 21, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I would LOVE Matt Murton. He won’t be a superstar, but a solid right handed bat/4th outfielder. Yes please

by eaheckman10 on Oct 21, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds like a solution that would please all parties.

KK would be more comfortable back in Japan and the Braves would get a bit of salary relief.

As to acquiring Murton in the deal, I’d be all for it, but there’s no way that’s happening unless we pay all of KK’s salary. Murton is a bit of a hot property right now and his Japanese team is not just going to trade him for peanuts (no offense to KK). We should also be somewhat cautious about Murton’s potential in MLB. He may end up being a good regular, but he’s very unproven and doesn’t constitute a “solution” to the LF problem.

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by Jacob Peterson on Oct 21, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

he is essentially Matt Diaz…or at least that my opinion…

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by Swo12bv on Oct 22, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can go with that….but its not like his power is a lot more and the Diaz’s defense wasnt horrible in left…if it costs us a lot more money its really probably not even worth it…but if for some reason we get KK fro Murton and only have to chip in some cash….then its a pretty solid deal.

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by Swo12bv on Oct 22, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he a righty?

and while $3m wouldn’t help much, it can’t hurt.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 22, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question

I know teams can sale players to Japan but I didnt know that they could actually trade players with Japanese teams.

by NathanB on Oct 21, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Clearly you never watched Mr. Baseball.

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by Lennox on Oct 21, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a splendid movie.

by Sparhawk on Oct 21, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Tom Selleck play left?

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 22, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Naw man

He had the knees of Troy Glaus during his stint with the Dragons. Plus, I think he’s still hitting coach of the Tigers. Wait a second…….we have an opening at hitting coach!

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by 10-4 on Oct 22, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was the manager. At the end the guy called him “chief.”

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by BullManUGA on Oct 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree to disagree.

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Oct 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry,

I don’t speak Spanish.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two Words

Tuffy Rhodes, he was also trying to break the HR record in Japan. He was never much of a player in teh MLB, there havent been any american stars in Japan who have come over and been stars in the Majors.

by mauck98 on Oct 21, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

uhhhhh I got a name for you

Ciciel Fielder….below average player in the bigs….went to japan where he got to learn how to hit a curve ball. He said he could not hit one before…hmmmmm there are a few…I believe there was a pitcher…a Gaijeen…that came back over here and produced. I think he plays for San Diego?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 21, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Lewis

SUCKED in the bigs, went to Japan and dominated, and now he’s pitching game 6 of the ALCS after a damn good year.

by Undocorkscrew on Oct 21, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

matt mourton sounds like a steal if we could send
KK over! But I doubt they’d let hitting and homerun champ go for what an earlier thread called =peanuts..
and I doubt mourton would cure our hitting woes…we still need to go get a goodRH bat!

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by radamez85 on Oct 21, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Krabs Medallion and Nate McClouth, approve of trading for Matt Mourton.

by J-Freak on Oct 21, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great, now I have to get a Krabs Medallion jersey.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 22, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always figured this would happen.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 21, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Cautiously optimistic

But it would be nice to see KK land somewhere he can be used regularly… I think the Braves just have better, cheaper options right now… Personally, i’m not worried if this affects the club in signing Japanese players going forward because it seems like the guys who come over here have trouble living up to the $$$ (a few exceptions of course)

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 21, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Playing up to the $$$ i mean

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 21, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Matt Murton info @ Baseball Reference.com: ML; and MiL

Literally knew almost nothing about him.

by fandave on Oct 21, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew he started as a Cub and ended up in Colorado, but I’d forgotten he got shipped to Japan.

by J-Freak on Oct 21, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

started as a Red Sock, or at least thats who drafted him

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by Swo12bv on Oct 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

First MLB appearance was with the Cubs. That’s what I remember.

by J-Freak on Oct 22, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They traded him to the Cubs in the Nomar Garciaparra deal in 2004

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by BW Smith on Oct 22, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank you…i knew he was a red sock…but didnt know how he was traded.

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

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by Swo12bv on Oct 22, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i went to tech

so i knew he went there and kinda kept up with his performance…and i watched his lil brother luke play while i was at tech…

by forgotten_glory on Oct 21, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Make the trade- However could create more problems knowing the Braves like I do we would settle.

Whether we get Murton or not is a true bonus. Murton would be a great replacement for Diaz/Cabera platoon situation we suffered through this year. Still only thing that is gonna suck is if we acquire Murton we would then in turn offer Diaz a one year deal worth about $2 million and go with that into Spring training in LF and that is not GONNA CUT IT.

Braves need power and speedy leadoff man. Still dumping KK back to japanese league where he is still high – mid level value is a good move. Braves need to be rid of this terrible free agent sigining. I could care less about Murton, personally don’t like him or Diaz as LF options for next year. Also prefer to have M. Young (still going strong in AFL fall league) as our 4th OF.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 21, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Still hate to say it.

Trading D.Lowe whe his value is high may be a wise move this offseason and free up some cash and try to make a run at Crawford. Then re-sign J. Vasquez for one year with mutual option for 2012 season.

STILL MAKE THE TRADE WREN and BE RID OF KK NOW !

Only reason I am thinking about trading D.Lowe is that I have been thinking about numurous posting on different blogs and money we are paying D.Lowe even with his great finish and postseason this year is alittle much to say the least and he is not getting any younger.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 21, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply to your own post

Coooooooooooool

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by kauf67 on Oct 21, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

Dammn RIGHT~ SHAFT, He’s a very sexy HE’ SHAFT,
DAMNNNN RIGHHHHTTTTT!

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by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have disgraced shaft….there is a circle of hell dedicated to those who have disgraced shaft.

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by Swo12bv on Oct 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And baby, you don't wanna end up in THAT circle.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 22, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

To hell with Shaft.

Anyone who watched those movies are pure morons. You guys cannot tell what sacarism is can you. IMAO.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 24, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I can’t tell what sacarism is. Why don’t you clue us all in there, champ.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what the Braves need to do...

Re-sign Saito, trade for Daisuke and Fukudome, and then send them to Japan for Yu Darvish and Nakajima. Japanese clubs have to cover all of Kenshin, Daisuke, and Fukudome’s remaining salary.

After that’s done, flip Darvish, Jurrjens, and Delgado for Pujols with the Cardinals paying all 3 players remaining salary. Decline Alex Gonzalez’s option, sign Cliff Lee.

If Lee has more than 10 BB by the break, flip him, prospects, and Nakajima for Troy Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, and a robotic left arm for Johnny Venters.

If they can manage that, I like their chances for the division.

by Undocorkscrew on Oct 21, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

All the Japanese league talk

Time to go and start researching the Japanese leagues ASAP.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 21, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allow me

Yu Darvish= closest thing Japan has to a Felix Hernandez; a young phenom that is head and shoulders above his peers.

Nakajima= a guy whose career since ’06 looks roughly like the season J-Hey had this year. Moderate power, but great on base skills; career OPS of .845

by J-Freak on Oct 21, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

Darvish has the nastiest split-fingered fastball I’ve ever seen. 4-seam tops out at 95mph, but that splitter is filthy. When thrown to RH hitters, it has big movement, tailing away, and is almost unhittable.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially

by my hot, Canadian girlfriend.

If he’s really that awesome, I wonder why he isn’t here making tons of money.

Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!

by FrediGonzalez on Oct 22, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't want to come here...

at least not yet.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not everyone is driven by money

In Japan, Darvish is a demi-god. You’d think I’m kidding, but he’s idolized, on the covers of magazines, and has all these endorsements. And then, all of that again, this time, as it pertains to baseball. And it’s not like he’s paid chump change out there, either. No reason for him to even want to leave Japan. There’s plenty to bilk out of Japan before he has nothing left to prove, and maybe, he’ll decide to come to America if he’s not too old and can still throw that splitter.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

you dream big…i like.

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by radamez85 on Oct 21, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you know

Cliff Lee plays a great shortstop!?

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by kauf67 on Oct 22, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he plays it from the mound.

He’s that good.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 22, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s….perfect!!!

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by MBL1 on Oct 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN just reported that after those moves, the Braves become the favorite for the Wildcard, Phillies still the favorites to win the division and the World Series after sweeping the Braves in the NLCS.

by king of games on Oct 22, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just sell him

Sell him for around 10 million,that would give the Braves all the financial freedom they need to get that elusive RH bat in left field,sign a veteran bullpen arm,find a leadoff hitter, and find a backup for Freddi

by cjones2010 on Oct 21, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

lol what?

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So you're proposing that we....

Try to sell him for $10 Million….even when the said Japanese team has asked us to pay $3M of his remaining $6.67M….hmmmm, interesting idea but I don’t see it working.

That would be like going to the car dealership, and telling the sales person that you want to buy the $30,000 car on the lot for $40,000…..interesting strategy

I think you’re on to something

by KJDH2154 on Oct 21, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just freeing up money for Xavier Nady.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 21, 2010 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We could sell him

He was a star over there until coming over here and im sure some Japanese team would love to have him and would probably pay atleast 8 million for him

by cjones2010 on Oct 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No disrespect

But that makes no sense at all. There are a few teams interested in him, and asking the Braves to pay $3M of his remaining $6.6M salary. Why in the world would someone pay $8M for him? If anything wouldn’t they just tell the Braves they’ll pay the $6.6M remaining on the salary?

No team is going to pay $1.4M more than they have to for a guy, and the Braves would never put a price tag like that on the guy, they’d be ecstatic to get rid of him at his current salary.

Im confused at why you think we could get more for him than what his contract is worth, that’s all.

by KJDH2154 on Oct 22, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except how much did the Red Sox pay

just to negotiate with Dice K?

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 23, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really??? I have more people that don’t understand my posts. Wow, I give up

by KJDH2154 on Oct 23, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all

Dice K was one of the best pitchers over there, so it’s not as if they were willing to just give him up for “salary relief” like the Braves are.

You want to tell me that you think the Braves would put him out there for more than what his contract is worth, especially when they want to get rid of him as bad as they do. There is no possible scenario in which Wren would do such an absurd thing, and for those who think he would, lay off the nose candy

by KJDH2154 on Oct 23, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you like some tweezers

to get those panties out your ass?

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 24, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Lose and argument, so instead of admitting being wrong, you take a shot at the person. Stay Classy!

by KJDH2154 on Oct 25, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, it’s “Lose AN argument.”. If you don’t know the difference, you might want to take some remedial English lessons.
 
Second of all, I was merely pointing out the fallacy in YOUR argument that a team will never overpay to sign a player. Yet, the Red Sox paid how many millions just to negotiate a contract with Dice K. So, since I didn’t “lose”, it’s perfectly reasonable to take a shot at someone who’s behaving like a complete douchebag.
 
And since your complete lack of reading comprehension will keep those panties wadded up, let me directly quote you. “No team will pay 1.4M more than they have to for a guy”. Remember what you say before you go run your mouth.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Human trafficking is illegal

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by bpk228480 on Oct 22, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT??!!??

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by carpengui on Oct 21, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

If what I read is true...

it sounds like the Cubs handled Murton even worse than we handled KK.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 21, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Hopefully Wren can pull it off

In other news I saw Heyward at the Hawks game tonight dude is super slender! He jinxed my Heat lol!!!

by Jay212033 on Oct 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

This is just too good to be true

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by kauf67 on Oct 22, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Murton put up Chris Coghlan-like numbers during his MLB career. Course, Murton has only had 1 MLB season with over 500 PA, but his upside looks a lot like what Chris Coghlan can do. Not a power hitter per se, but good BA, OBP, and SLG numbers.

If we do happen to make this trade, I don’t see Matty D coming back. Murton bats right-handed and seems to hit lefties better (.907 OPS against lefties compared to .710 against righties) and would essentially take Matt’s place as lefty killer/4th OF.

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 22, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you’re aiming way to high to think that we’d get a top player back in return for KK. The Tigers are a good team that are going to be contenders next season, I can’t imagine that they’ll give up their top hitter for a guy that our coaches preferred to waste a roster spot on rather than let into games, no matter how solid his reputation is in Japan.

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by Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd settle for sending KK to Japan, assuming we pay half his salary....

for some high quality sushi for the team to eat during spring training, and some kobe beef steaks to be grilled outside Turner Field before opening day next year for everyone to enjoy. DO IT WREN!!!!

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by leedawg on Oct 22, 2010 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Whenever I see or hear ‘Kobe Beef’, I always think of UCB

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 22, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moving KK is a good thing....

and Murton might be a good bench contributor. However, it would be a mistake to assume that offensive production over there…means offensive production in MLB. (Please see Orestes Destrade and Tuffy Rhodes).

Plus if he is playing that well over there…why would a Japanese team want to let him go? There is a high likelihood

If we can get someone to take KK and at least 4 million of his salary I think you take it…..even if you get nothing more then a bag of balls and a glass of saki…

by calbers on Oct 22, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't see the word "could" at first

Now I have to clean the man-yogurt out of my work slacks.

by joshmaurer on Oct 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a pipe dream. It will never happen.

Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!

by FrediGonzalez on Oct 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that if Kawakami stood on an oil rig in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico

and threw a baseball into the sea, that a batter would rise out of the water and smash it before it could land in the water.

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by WarEagle86 on Oct 22, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well played, sir.

Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!

by FrediGonzalez on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it happens

but not too often when a player gets traded to a Japanese team. What are the restrictions for that? I mean, could any team just ship off a player they don’t want to Japan? If it’s to another country, does the player have to accept or do they have no choice? Just curious how that works..

by WeStillHaveBobby on Oct 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Murton almost broke the single season home run record in Japan this year…

Hmm. I thought he hit only 17 home runs this years.

by Luke Gofannon on Oct 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeaaaah, 17 can't be a record

Seong-Yeop Lee of the Yomiuri Giants once hit 41 HR in a season, and holds the Asia Pro Baseball single-season record of 56 HR. Murton’s never touching either of those.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 23, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He broke the hit record not the HR record.

You are correct about the 17 HRs.

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by Doghnut on Oct 24, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This would be the best christmas present ever.

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by HawksBaseball2 on Oct 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

So if Kawakami is good enough to be a 3 for some...

and a 4 for most, why are we having to ship him back to Japan? Maybe he’s not at that level as a pitcher.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 23, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Or maybe it’s because teams still rely a lot on traditional things like W-L records which makes KK’s contract much less appealing.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 23, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

we aren't ...

smarter than GMs and front offices around the league. He’s pitched enough, if it was felt he could be a team’s 3, they’d ask for him.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 23, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

GMs never make mistakes.

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."

by Doghnut on Oct 24, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

How do we know that there are no teams that want KK? It’s not like the Braves can trade him right now.

You also ignore stuff like his salary. I mean, let’s say hes good enough to start for the Pirates. But would the Pirates pay $7M for him when they have so many other holes and no money to play with? Probably not.

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."

by Doghnut on Oct 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that sentiment that some people around here are not smarter than GMs.

Just because someone has a certain job doesn’t mean that they are good at it, or that there aren’t better options.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So GMs judge pitchers by W-L record

as UMD said? I strongly doubt that.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 24, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Far more than those who rely on advanced statistics, I’d be willing to bet.
 
And, FWIW, I’m positive I could run a franchise better than Steve Phillips or Omar Minaya. Even with my limited baseball knowledge.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Oct 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Garland.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 26, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

No h, just Jon...

and you may want to look at his numbers before throwing his name out there.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garlajo01.shtml

Dude has been a horse with 190-200+ innings 9 of the last 10 years. That kind of durability and realiability is desired, especially by teams who struggle putting together rotations. But while he hasn’t been a stud, he has pitched pretty well in those innings too. A career sub 4.5 era pitching mostly in the AL, even better when he’s been in the NL the last two years. His career ERA+ is 104, so better than average. His career FIP is 4.69, xFIP is even better at 4.58. He’s as good as your boy KK, so by your logic a 3/4, and by mine a 4/5. Either way, he’s a solid starter than is a lot more than W-L record. Joe Saunders might have been a better name for you to throw out there, because Garland looks solid (and should have been our choice over Lowe imo).

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, did Garland get his big contract in his career low FIP/xFIP year or his career high wins year?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 27, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got it...

at 26, buying out arb and post arb years, after helping his team win a World Series, with a track record of lots of innings and solid production.

Nice spin though.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

bingo!
he’s not worth anything at all on the ML trade market, IMHO

by fandave on Oct 24, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

based on…?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

my years of experience in MLB, of course.

by fandave on Oct 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang…I missed the part where we sent him back. I also missed the press conference held by MLB GMs that said none were interested in him. Can you enlighten me on the details?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think part of the problem with Japanese imports...

Is the big culture gap. These guys probably get a little homesick. They get tired of speaking through a translator. They have difficulty adjusting to the new surroundings, and that includes a somewhat different brand of baseball and conditioning as well.

I wouldn’t want to live and work in Japan for an extended period. Vacation or brief work trip, fine. But living day in and day out and my work product would probably suffer too.

Hitters have fared better, but I think so much of pitching is mental, that it just starts to overwhelm them. In other words, I wouldn’t be surprised if KK has been pushing for a return to Japan. Pure speculation on my part, but It wouldn’t surprise me.

by DCP916 on Oct 24, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Something to do with it

Yeah, I can sympathize for the culture shock, but really, it has a lot to do with where you’re playing still. Seattle is a perfect example, with its gigantic Japanese population, proximity on the Pacific coast, and it can’t hurt that the Mariners are owned by Nintendo, ultimately a Japanese company. Back before the Braves got KK, I verbalized why any Japanese players would want to come to the City of Atlanta, where there’s very little Japanese community aside a segment of the northern tip of the city and probably wouldn’t market him properly? Looking back at the last two years, the lack of support, marketing, and missed opportunity the Braves could have done, I can’t help but feel a little right on that assessment.

But more importantly, especially when it comes to pitchers, the problem is so many of them are junk ball pitchers to begin with. There is a grace period when their funky, hesitation-filled deliveries, and wide pitch varieties garner results, but once the league has seen a few games, their tendencies documented, and a book developed, so many of them collapse – especially the starters. Kawakami, Matsuzaka, and Baltimore’s Koji Uehara are good examples – they were all legendary pitchers back in Japan, started off okay in the States, but after the honeymoon, they all fell back to earth hard. Nomo is like the only exception. Their junk craftiness ends up being more effective out of the bullpen typically; Uehara moving to the pen saved his career, and there have been plenty of solid Japanese relievers throughout the years, looking at Saito for one, but guys like Hideki Okajima, Kaz Sasaki, and Hisanori Takahashi have enjoyed some success out of the bullpen.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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