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The 2010 Atlanta Braves Team Pitching MVP And LVP

Yesterday we took a look at the Atlanta Braves team hitting MVP and LVP, and there was a lot of disagreement about naming Jason Heyward the team MVP. I figured that would happen, since Martin Prado had such a good year. Both are great choices, and hopefully both players will be cornerstones of this Braves team for years to come.

Today we'll take a look at the best and worst pitchers on the team. I think these selections will be a bit more cut and dry.

Pitching MVP
Perhaps the bullpen should have a separate award here, because both Billy Wagner and Jonny Venters deserve serious consideration as the team pitching MVP. My knock on Wagner, if I could reach to find one, is that he did blow seven saves this year. Most of those blows the Braves came back to win, but it's a stat that sticks with me, even though blowing that many saves seems to be the norm for closers. Venters was terrific, but is a setup man really the most valuable pitcher on the team? I'm sure someone could make that argument, but I won't.

I actually really strongly considered Tommy Hanson here. Yes, the 10-11 win-loss record isn't pretty, but Hanson was a victim of having the most unearned runs on the team, and some very lopsided run support. While he had ERAs of 3.05 or below in July and August he came away with only one win between those two months.

Still, Hanson wasn't as good as Tim Hudson, our 2010 Braves pitching MVP. Some may say Huddy was a recipient of a lot of luck this year, what with his ERA of 2.83 and his FIP of 4.09 -- over a run between the two, and a higher FIP than even Derek Lowe (3.89). But Hudson's game is about ground balls and letting the batters get themselves out, so his advanced rate stats don't really accurately describe what kind of pitcher he is and how much he relies on his defense behind him. As far as putting up good starts time after time, Hudson was right there with the elite pitchers in the National League. His 25 quality starts are tied for the league lead with Cy Young contenders Roy Halladay, Adam Wainwright, and Ubaldo Jiminez, as well as other top pitchers in the league.


Tim Hudson

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W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Tim Hudson 17-9 35 34 1 0 0 0 228.2 189 74 72 20 74 139 2.83 1.15

The LVP after the jump...

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Pitching LVP
This one is pretty cut and dry, and luckily there were not many candidates for this dubious honor. One could pick the chaff from the bullpen (and there wasn't much), and luckily the Braves pawned off Jesse Chavez on the Royals. Derek Lowe was saved from this award for the second year in a row by his September renaissance. Kyle Farnsworth certainly wasn't spectacular once he came back to Atlanta, but it's a testament to the (mostly) great staff that Frank Wren put together that there's really only one pitcher who stands out as the worst.

Kenshin Kawakami was just the pits in 2010. Yes, that would be only one win his 18 starts, in not even 90 innings of work. Sure he was unlucky, and he didn't get much run support, but he was already just so terrible that even with the bad luck not factored in he would have been a losing pitcher. He consistently labored through early innings, and rarely went deep into games, only once completing seven innings in a start. The Braves and Bobby Cox seemed to lose all faith him as the season wore on, and after being exiled to the bullpen, and then to the minors, he was rarely called on to pitch. His last appearance of the season was on September 9th, and that may be the last time we see him in a Braves uniform.

It's weird how the Braves just gave up on this guy. There must have been some non-public problems because during games in which he pitched, Bobby Cox was clearly perturbed more than normal when Kawakami would run into problems. It makes me think that they tried to get him to change something in his delivery, and he wouldn't do it, but that's only speculation on my part (though it certainly seems to fit).

Poll
Who is your 2010 Atlanta Braves team pitching MVP?
Tim Hudson
1090 votes
Tommy Hanson
25 votes
Billy Wagner
75 votes
Jonny Venters
138 votes

1328 votes | Poll has closed

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Agree on Huddy

I grudgingly agree on KK, but only because he is the only one who had enough of an impact to win the goat horns. I still maintain that his W-L record is a poor reflection of his pitching, and that his confidence crumbled at the end with the low run support. I do hope he ends up somewhere else (preferrably in the AL) and succeeds.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted for “Everyday” Jonny Venters. Ordinarily I wouldn’t pick a reliever for this kind of award since a starter pitches so many more innings, but come on! Jonny pitched every day and extremely well!

I guess it’s hard to argue against Kawakami being LVP. Resop, Chavez, and Reyes were even worse, but they combined didn’t pitch a fraction of KK’s innings or cost as much money.

by redwards95 on Oct 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree about KK.

I also hope that another team agrees with you as well, for we need a trading partner.

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by Jman781 on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Chopaholic on Oct 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed here as well

I honestly feel badly for the guy. All I can figure is that playing for the Braves screwed with his head somehow. I didn’t see an difference between the videos of him being lights-out in Japan and him being lit up here in the majors. He deserves a chance somewhere, just not here.

by John Holton on Oct 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know Pac, I always seem to agree with you. Those are exactly my feelings about Kawakami. He wasn’t great in 2010, but he wasn’t that bad, either. His advanced stats suggest he was about the same in 2010 as he was in 2009. He’s definitely at least worthy of being a 5th starter on most teams in baseball.

They certainly treated him like there were off-the-field problems with him, but that would surprise me. He seemed very respectful and he seemed very understanding about being dropped from the rotation.

Maybe he was just he odd man out. He wasn’t stretched out when Medlen got injured or when Minor got tired. Considering the Braves bullpen depth, he was never needed out of the pen, which also meant he became really rusty and thus a gamble.

by BrandonG on Oct 14, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

There had to be something though...

because without something else unknown impacting Bobby’s decision, Kawakami’s banishment makes absolutely no sense.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 15, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I know

Is that I was at one game in DC with the Braves vs. Nats this summer whan KK was pitching.

He just looked done. Simple as that. Had a hard time pitching strikes that could not be hit anywhere in the park.

by sag969 on Oct 14, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heart you.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just retroactively give Shane Reynolds/Mark Redman/Dan Kolb a pitching LVP since we don’t quite have anyone to assign it to this year?

Pitching LVPs that everyone forgot about (not that they really did anything to damage the team long-term): Chris Resop, Jo-Jo Reyes. Together they only pitched 5.1 innings, but allowed 14 runs on 15 hits, 6 walks, and 2 homers.

by Ivan the Great on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

nice

+1

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about jesse chavez....?

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by Hektor DiPaula on Oct 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he was the mop-up guy and had runs charged to him in 11 of his 29 appearances.

He was nowhere near as ghastly as any of the pitchers I mentioned, and actually showed signs of quality at points, though he did fail miserably at others.

by Ivan the Great on Oct 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I add

There is absolutely no way to justify voting for a reliever as a most valuable pitcher. Especially with starters who performed so well. There really is no way to justify that.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sure there is:

Venters 79 games
Hudson 34 games

by redwards95 on Oct 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson, 228.2 innings. Venters, 83 innings. Hudson directly affected 686 outs, while Venters directly affected 249 outs. That’s nearly 3 times as many outs that Hudson was involved in. The games argument is far too simplistic, because even though he was involved in more than twice as many games as Hudson, Venters only had a hand in deciding a third as many outs. This isn’t to say that Jonny wasn’t invaluable, of course he was, the team would’ve been lost without him, but Hudson was certainly more valuable.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks CB

That was exactly what I was going to say.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Medlen

Deserves to be mentioned. Every time he took the mound, I felt like the Braves were in good hands,

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by bighop on Oct 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I forsee

Medlen getting the MVP in 2012 after a full year back. Meds is good

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Meds is good"

Funny sometimes how the shortest sentences are the most true. If he focuses on the rehab like he should, TJ is just a bump in the road these days. 2012 Meds is a good thought.

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by bighop on Oct 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh.

I miss Meds so much

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by MBL1 on Oct 14, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He'll

be back before you know it!

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 14, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure it’s “Cut and dry.”

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 15, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s good to see Hudson returning from injury to become Cy Young for the Braves and dominate the NL in 2010. Glad to see him healthy. Congrats.

If Tommy Hanson wants to be an elite pitcher, he needs to hang out with Hudson during the off season and develop a sinker or cutter to compliment his arsenal of pitches in case he gets into situation where a ground ball is needed to get out of a jam. That’s just my opinion.

Braves need to trade Lowe while his value is hot. So many young pitching talents in the minors (plus hopefully a healthy return of JJ) will fill the Lowe void.

Kawakami got a raw deal this year being a starting pitcher but hey it happens. Life is not fair.

by romone_braves91 on Oct 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m more worried about where Tommy’s strikeouts went in the 2nd half despite his good pitching.

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by Pavy848 on Oct 14, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Hanson was even close

I know he was pretty unlucky this year, but it seemed like he never really got into a groove. I look for consistency in the pitching MVP and Hanson didn’t seem to have that this season.

by king of games on Oct 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

he never really got into a groove?

Did you watch the second half of the season?

by Braves24 on Oct 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe

The Lowe that we saw in September was amazing. He really had that new slider working, which I think was the main reason he had so much success. Does anyone think he can carry over his new found nastiness into next season? Of course everyone would love to have September Lowe around next year, but if we trade him now do we have to get another pitcher? I’m so excited about the possibilities for this off-season.

Medlen has to be a runner up for teaching Lowe how to be awesome again.

Bring MLB to Portland.

by Dandretti on Oct 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

If we traded Lowe for prospects, we could probably make a competetive offer to Crawford I would think.

by king of games on Oct 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's interesting but...

I just worry about the starting rotation if Lowe gets moved. JJ is seeming kinda fragile and when can we honestly expect Meds to be back? That would leave us with Huddy and Tommy as the one and two with a lot of ??? after that. CAC was calling for us to go after Grienke earlier this year and I have been thinking about it a lot. He pretty much said he wants our of KC and we have what they need.

Bring MLB to Portland.

by Dandretti on Oct 14, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was calling for us to go after Greinke

Because I would put the likelyhood of that at around -50%.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What KC Needed

But we had already shipped Francoeur to New York

by sexbobomb on Oct 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Derek Lowe can continue his good work next season. He didn’t just get better results, he flat out pitched better. That slider he had working was just nasty. He used it to put batters away and thus his strikeouts went way up. His cutter also seemed sharper.

While his strikeouts went way up, he continued to get ground balls and not walk many batter. He’s one of the most durable pitchers in the game. You can put him down for around 200 innings every year. As we have seen, he’s great on short rest, which can be important.

Good gosh, what else do want from a starting pitcher? To me, he’s the Braves best starting pitcher right now. I honestly thought the Braves had made a big mistake by giving him $60 million. But the last two months, he has looked a lot like Greg Maddux with few walks but more strikeouts.

by BrandonG on Oct 14, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

the Maddux comparison is over the top. I’ll give you that he has been very good. But again, he only did it for a month. The league adjusts, and while I have no doubt that he will be effective again in 2011 (though I did before his torrid September), I also don’t think he will be nearly as effective as his September would suggest.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying he will have a Greg Maddux-like season in 2010. But, what I am saying is the numbers he put up in September were the product of a genuinely improved pitcher. There is no reason to think he can’t carry that over to next season. Sure, scouting reports will get around and hitters will make adjustments. He won’t be as good for an entire season as he was in September. But, he could still be really, really good.

Maybe this is blasphemous, but for 7 starts he carved up hitters as good as Greg Maddux in his prime. Even if he regresses a lot, he can still be really good.

by BrandonG on Oct 15, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowe, for me at least

Really changed when he came out and said he was struggling.

The work that’s he done with McDowell (and I think McCann?) in the past month or so has really shown while on the mound. I think that if Lowe can recommit himself to improving his game and keeping up his communication with the coaches, we might see an improved Lowe (perhaps the one we were hoping for). I don’t expect September/October Lowe to completely carry-over, but if he can keep getting whifs with that slider and groundballs with the sinker, I expect a Lowe that will keep getting Ws that aren’t DerekLoweWins (as often, at least)

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 15, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I am rooting against that happening

But I’m not convinced either.

As for the Maddux thing, you are entitled to that opinion, and admittedly the results were similar, but Maddux in his prime was a different kind of pitcher than anything we have ever seen, and maybe ever will.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He looked absolutely FILTHY down the stretch. Even Bobby mentioned in his final Press Conference after the game that Lowe should win 20 games next year if he has the support.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Oct 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's

a lot of money for a stacked left-handed lineup

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 14, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail

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by HansonManCrush on Oct 14, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forsee the pitching MVP being Hanson next season

And also for many of the next 4-5 seasons.

60% of the time, it works every time

by ATLandUNC on Oct 14, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

that's what we said last year...

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by Doghnut on Oct 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves twitter guys have a TON of good info today.

Go check that out.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 14, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I'd rather not

I’m not on twitter and not about to start. How bout you sum them up for me?

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

why the hate for twitter?

by Taylor Masters on Oct 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i used to say that, now i love it. Granted, i don’t tweet myself, i’m only subscribed to the Braves beat writers and a couple other sports related people. Its a good source to get quick news and informative quotes. I don’t use it to say “I got new shoes!” or anything like that.

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by 10-4 on Oct 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

truthfully, you probably haven’t bought new shoes since 2005 or so. amirite?

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by Rhyno18 on Oct 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crocs last forever man.

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by 10-4 on Oct 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

DLee had a torn thumb in all of September.
They’ll look to trade KK, Japan included.
No Crawford, Werth or Dunn for LF. Says they’ll get “creative” to fill the void. (which probably means more of a bullshit platoon.)
Teheran, Delgado and Pastornicky will likely all make Spring Training. Also said JT could come up mid-2011 if necessary.
Freeman will start at 1B.
Might sign a veteran reliever, but it’s not certain. Kimbrel will probably be closer.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, and Luis Valdez is now Jairo Asencio.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cool beans

I think i’ll become 11-5.

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by 10-4 on Oct 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well now that he isn’t operating under a fake name, date of birth, etc. I’d sure think so.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

…What? How the heck did he manage to avoid the last 5 years of crackdowns? That’s crazy.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite story was a guy with the Rangers who they thought was 19 and he turned out to be 26. He was playing A ball and was somewhat OK…for a 19 year old…for a 26 year old his numbers were just bad.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Get creative"

hopefully means a trade for someone no one knew was available and not a platoon. There’s no way that FW doesn’t know what a void the LF position was this season.

by J-Turn14 on Oct 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we’re looking at Raul Mondesi again?

by Taylor Masters on Oct 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rasmus

PLEASE!!!!

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by TurnerTheBurner on Oct 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that explains DLee. Yet another example of his growing fragility.
Sad to see KK go when he deserved better.
No big free agents isn’t big news, but its not fun news either. I fear what “get creative” means. I hate that platoon.
Good to see the young guys make ST, and it means we get to watch them.
Yay for Freeman. Lets hope he does better than Thorman.
No need for a veteran reliever. Good for Kimbrel.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn

i was hoping that while everyone was making a big deal about werth’s power, we could get dunn…
and geez we need to fill that LF void…a trade would be nice since nothing is really available, but i fear that this will mean more platooning…

by forgotten_glory on Oct 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with a LF platoon

BUT we absolutely need an everyday CFer. I wish Jordan Schafer could find his inner superstar again. More than that, I really wish we could stop filling our outfield spots with hope and actually get some proven ballplayers.

by king of games on Oct 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad that JT and Delgado will be at Spring Training! I went last year, and I’m planning to go again. Lots of fun.

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by MBL1 on Oct 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Damn it

If we don’t sign Crawford, Werth, or Dunn, I’m fine with that. But I don’t really like announcements like that, just after losing in the playoffs. To me, it almost seems like the FO saying, “We don’t have much money to spend” I’m so tired of Liberty Media. They are the worst. We have a pretty manageable payroll right now (granted, it’s not MY money). It’s obvious that we need right-handed power. We can’t rely on another Troy Glaus who can only play for half the season.

Maybe this means we will trade for a big bat or two, but I would rather hang onto our pitchers. I do have faith in FW and Co., as I’m sure they want to win as much as I do. I just don’t want to see the same type of lineup trot out there next year. We’ve shown it doesn’t work.

by ryantex on Oct 14, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

LM is nowhere near the worst.

Try being a fan of the Marlins or Pirates

by king of games on Oct 14, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but I still don’t like LM. At least our CEO made $188 million last year! Good times.

by ryantex on Oct 14, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evil profit makers. How dare they profit from a successful business.

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by 10-4 on Oct 15, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not what I mean to imply

I have NO problem whatsoever with Liberty Media, or any business for that matter, when it comes to making a profit. I own a business myself. I’m a firm believer in business.

I realize things could be much worse for the Braves; I just long for the days when Ted was running things, and not some business with no ties to the city.

by ryantex on Oct 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be considered

Liberty Media bought the Braves with the understanding that even if they didn’t invest extra, they would not continue to cut spending like AOL/TW did. However, even before the recession hit, they started cutting payroll slowly.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Werth and Crawford are wayyyyyyyyyy too expensive. Dunn simply can’t play any position any more – expect him to be a DH next year.

by sag969 on Oct 14, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hrm

How do trades in MLB with Japan work?

by sag969 on Oct 14, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy 18th anniversary of when Sid Slid!

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by MBL1 on Oct 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I’m getting old.

by ryantex on Oct 14, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord

stay far, far away from the MLBTR comments.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn they are awful.

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by jeg on Oct 14, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh comments, yeah makes sense. Same applies to AJC

by Taylor Masters on Oct 14, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our LVP has a 4.35 FIP. That says a lot about our pitching depth

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by jeg on Oct 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Luke Scott

How has this guy not been traded yet, anyway?

I’ve always liked Scott and he had another stellar season in a very tough division. He wouldn’t take a ton to have either, most likely. I think he was injured at the deadline last year, which probably decreased the interest. But he raked before and after his DL stint.

He’s not a great defender and he’s a bit streaky, but he’d be the Braves best offensive left fielder since……swear to god I can’t think of the last one….

by Undocorkscrew on Oct 14, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Luke Scott would be a great addition. And, like you pointed out, one that’s likely in the Braves’ price range.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lefty hitter

with a platoon split (though it was better this year as I recall).

That doesn’t mean I don’t want him, just making the point.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 14, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For his career he hits righties with a .275 average and a .878 OPS, and he hits lefties with a .245 average and a .788 OPS. This year the split was actually greater, with a .297 average and .935 OPS against righties and a .240 average and .787 OPS against lefties. So while there is a big difference, his production against lefties is still better than the production we got out of most of the regular outfielders this year. Matt Diaz supposedly kills righties but this year he hit .273 with a .830 OPS against them. That’s better than what Scott did against righties, but is it really that much better?

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by cbwilk on Oct 15, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again

Not saying I don’t want him, but I remember that he was being benched against tough lefties. Lefties like, say, Cole Hamels or Johan Santana. He would clearly be an upgrade over anything we currently have, though.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 15, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of a player like Luke Scott or Shin-Soo Choo. Could be reasonably had from teams that have to be willing to trade most of their players.

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by award6 on Oct 15, 2010 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scott

may be reasonable to acquire. But Choo would cost the Braves the farm system. The conversation would start with Teheran plus other prospects. Players with 5 tool ability that actually perform with all 5 tools are extremely rare, and he is one of them. He is also young and cost controlled. I doubt he would even be available. The Indians may be rebuilding, but their farm system has a lot of nearly ready MLB talent and the AL Central isn’t an incredibly strong division. If I were the Indians GM, I would scoff at the idea of trading a telent like Choo right now.

by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 15, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does FW "getting creative" mean...

offering Jason Werth whores after each home game?
Giving him a pet tiger?
naming a stadium section after him? Werth-while gifts or something?
letting him Room with heyward on road trips?

what else would wren do?

by Braves Biceps on Oct 14, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sign Scotty Pods and Mark Kotsay

and have their wives distract the opposing pitchers.

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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Oct 14, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting strategy

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by MBL1 on Oct 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

my vote for mvp is dlowe

I know he did not have the season hudson had but he did it in september to get us in, and with any support from the offense, defense, and umpires he would’ve carried us right into the nlcs

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by 15ks on Oct 14, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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