Braves Payroll '11-'15
by bbxxj on Jan 22, 2010 1:44 PM EST
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PrintI have seen a few posters request some sort of long term payroll projection so I thought I might throw one together. A few notes about the table posted after the jump:
- '10 salaries are listed with all incentives included
- If a player has an option it's value is listed with a 'P' next to it with the buyout (if any) listed next to it in parenthesis.
- All salaries guaranteed are listed along with at least the 400k minimum in every other cell. This will increase obviously with arbitration awards and FA signings but its the listing of the minimum commited in total salary.
- Each arbitration year is listed A1-A4. This is useful because you can just eyeball how expensive players will be in respective years and how long we get to have control over them.
- I have Heyward and Kimbrel coming up midseason in this writeup, but if they come up earlier you can just move the arbitration years up one year.
| Pos | Player | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
| C | McCann | 5.5 | 6.5 | 8.5 | 12P(0.5) | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| 1B | Glaus | 4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| 2B | Prado | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| SS | Escobar | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| 3B | Chipper | 13 | 13 | 13 | 7-13P | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| LF | Diaz | 2.55 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| CF | McLouth | 4.5 | 6.5 | 10.65P | <(1.25)0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| RF | Heyward | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | A1 | A2 |
| 30.75 | 28 | 25.15 | 4.95 | 3.2 | 3.2 | ||
| C | Ross | 1.6 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| UTL | Infante | 2.225 | 2.5P(.25) | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| PH | Hinske | 1 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| OF | Cabrera | 3.1 | A3 | A4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| FLEX | Thurston | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| 8.325 | 2.25 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
| SP1 | Lowe | 15 | 15 | 15 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| SP2 | Hudson | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9P(1) | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| SP3 | Jurrjens | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| SP4 | Hanson | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 |
| SP5 | Kawakami | 6.667 | 6.667 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| 31.467 | 31.467 | 25.2 | 2.6 | 2 | 2 | ||
| CL | Wagner | 6.75 | 6.5(.25) | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| SU | Saito | 5.5 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| RP3 | Moylan | 1.15 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| RP4 | O'Flaherty | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
| RP5 | Chavez | 0.4 | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 |
| RP6 | Medlen | 0.4 | 0.4 | A1 | A2 | A3 | 0.4 |
| RP7 | Kimbrel | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.4 | A1 | A2 |
| 15 | 3.05 | 2.8 | 2.8 | 2.8 | 2.8 | ||
| Total | 85.542 | 64.767 | 55.15 | 11.1 | 10 | 10 | |
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This is part of why
I say go ahead and get Heyward up to start this year. We don’t have a single payroll commitment for what would be his second arbitration year, and there’s almost nothing on the payroll for his first one, in that scenario.
Hopefully we do with him what we did with McCann. Let him get a season or two under his belt, then give him a 5 year deal to guarantee he’s here long term. By the time Chipper and Lowe are off the books, we’ll have oodles of cash to give him.
And several other spots to fill...
may wanna be able to pay Hanson, Jurrjens, etc too. And again, on Heyward up this year, let’s let his play determine when that happens, not salary.
If we bring up Heyward at the begining of the year both he and Hanson will be entering arbitration in the same year Escobar, Jurrjens, Prado and O’Flaherty will be expensive A3s along with McCann and McLouths expensive 12 and 10.65 options. But on the other hand Lowe and Kawakami’s 21.667M will be off the books and maybe Chipper will be too, though I hope not.
I do know that Escobar and Jurrjens are going to get expensive together, which is why I would like to see 4-5 year deals offered to them sometime this year.
I don’t think we will be picking up McClouth’s 10.65m option, unless he absolutely goes off the next couple of years.
Do you think we will try to re-structure or just let him walk?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 24, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I misread that…I thought it was McCann…lol
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 24, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
in that case...
restructured extension.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 24, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think
he would even have the chance. i believe if schafer comes up mid season or september tearing it up we will trade mclouth next offseason
by drumzalicious on Jan 26, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
We'd have to get a great return on McLouth
the status of his contract makes him a great deal for several years. I think it’s more likely that Diaz gets moved than McLouth, based on that.
You are saying that he would be worth the 6.5 and 10.65 in 2011 and 2012? I don’t think there would be any way that we could afford in making anything above the 6.5 million he would make in 2011. He would be a good deal in 2011, but not in 2012. We trade him in the offseason, so we can get a good return.
He's been worth at least $15,8 mil in each of the last two years.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Say what you want...
But he’d make bank as an FA.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn’t make $16 MM a year as a free agent though, he’d probably have a value in the neighborhood of $10-12 MM a year.
You're right.
But that makes him a value through his option year.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 29, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
he is referring to monetary value vs performance.
by drumzalicious on Feb 1, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, looking at it now
I though he another year around $5 million. I was just going off of memory rather than actually looking.
But yes, at least being able to play average CF defense with an above average bat is worth more than $10 million on the open market. He’s still a deal in 2012, unless his offense falls off a cliff.
yea
I mentioned that in another post. If Diaz gets to play full time and puts up a great year thats comparable to McLouth i could see them dealing McLouth instead of Diaz
by drumzalicious on Jan 28, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Good post
I think we should lock up Jurrjens and Escobar right now, and maybe Hanson a year from now, since he won’t be eligible for free agency for a while. Perhaps something like this:
Jurrjens: 6 yrs./$48 million with option for 2016
Escobar: 5 yrs./$40 million
Keep in mind that Jurrjens is a Boras client, so we need to lock him up early before he goes out of our price range.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
its never a good idea to lock up a pitcher for more than 4 years. Usually doesn’t work out well, especially when the pitcher is a Boras client with a sub 3.00 ERA. Lets see how he does this season, if he stays healthy, productive, and seems open to a long term contract, go for it.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 25, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
to be honest
i wouldnt be surprised to see the team trade Jurrjens. The only real way i see that happening is if Minor or another young pitcher is doing great in the minors and is ready to come up and be a part of the rotation.
Now im not saying that i would personally like it to happen but i could see it happening. Maybe even next offseason if Minor progresses as fast as everyone thinks he will. Im guessing if we trade Jurrjens its likely for a 3B prospect to replace chipper.
by drumzalicious on Jan 26, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I hope not
Jurrjens is a special pitcher. He actually reminds me of Greg Maddux. He’s not the most talented guy there is, but he has the makeup and mental toughness to be an elite pitcher(which he already is). I think Jurrjens will be even better than Hanson.
I suppose we could trade Jurrjens, but only if someone blows us away with an offer.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
oh of course
not for a bag of balls. we would have to get someone that would impact our club significantly over a good amount of years. Possibly an amazing 3B prospect although Bowman thinks that Prado has more power than we think and could be Chipper’s replacement in years to come.
I wouldnt mind Prado being our 3B of the future. He plays great defense there and power wise I think he could hit around 20ish HR’s only thing is we would need a RH bat of some sort to either hit after Heyward once Heyward steps into the #3 hole. Most logical position would be Left Field. With Schafer and Heyward in CF and RF a RH Left Fielder would be perfect. Someone like Nolan Reimold would be nice. He wont hit 40HR’s but could get up to around 30 in his prime probably.
by drumzalicious on Jan 28, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Great defense?
I mean, I guess it’s better than his awful play at second, but I think great’s a bit of a stretch.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
How can you judge him awful already w/o him getting a chance playing there full time yet? I think he’ll be average there next year.
Because he's played plenty there.
And it’s not like he’s gotten a lot better. It blows me away that KJ was regularly lambasted for making ugly plays on balls that would have gotten by Prado by two steps.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 29, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
KJ didn’t really mess up on the balls that required range – he seemed to make the difficult plays with no problem. It was the routine plays that gave him trouble. For examples: THE popup….and the DP ball against (I think) the Reds.
At least, that is how I seem to remember it.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 29, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Aaaaand, thank you for reminding me of THE popup. Quite a night that was.
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 4, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
On defense? Are you drunk?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Feb 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see him play defense last season? I mean, I’m willing to chalk it up to rookie jitters and think that he’ll be much better in the future, but he looked absolutely lost out there at times. Got bad jumps, badly misplayed balls hit toward the wall, et cetera …
The metrics back this up as his UZR was -2.3, translating to a UZR/150 of -8.
It hardly requires that someone be drunk to judge the defense that he showed last season as “questionable”.
So, we are to judge him on 50-ish games from last season and ignore his history of fantastic defense at all other levels?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well, personally I’d say that it’d be nice if a player actually SHOWED himself to be a great defender at the ML level BEFORE you go around suggesting that anyone who questions his defense is a drunk. Especially when that player’s defensive reputation is based primarily on reports from A ball.
The kid did get some bad reads on balls last year. I’ll be the first to admit that. But he’s playing in unknown ballparks. He looked great getting to the ball. Nice closure and speed. But he’s used to playing in minor league parks. With balls hit by minor leaguers. The ball carries faster and further in the OF at the Major League level. It takes a period of adjustment. I thought he played an above average CF last year.
Sorry, that’s his buyout. Couldn’t fit it all in the same box. If goes with the 10.65M option left of it where the arrow points.
by bbxxj on Jan 23, 2010 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, no that’s just a typo. I need to move everything over one. Nate’s option is in ’12 not ’13. Good catch.
by bbxxj on Jan 23, 2010 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sweet post dude
It’s cool to see we dont have any large commitment beyond ’12. Like say, the giants and B zito
thanks
This is great stuff.
I think it helps put into perspective the real value of Hudson’s contract and, in some respects, makes the terms of Lowe’s deal more tolerable. The future flexibility, even with some large arb-related increases, is very nice to see.
Question for those who follow this stuff more closely than I do: how is the economy, assuming it stays depressed, going to affect our ability to offer long-term deals to JJ, Escobar, etc?
by hollerin' brave on Jan 24, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions
I can’t say I “follow this stuff more closely”, but I am convinced that Frank made some of the moves he did this off-season in order to position the roster for future considerations. The Indians set the standard a few years ago by going with 3 year contracts. The Phillies are doing likewise (I heard they have at least 5 or 6 of those going). Those kinds of commitments tends to provide well for a player without saddling a team with a ‘bad contract’ for too long if things don’t pan out well.
Wags has a 2 yr. deal; Lowe now has 3 more yrs.; Huddy has 3; Chipper has 3 more; McCann has 3 more… you get the idea. This leaves good room and flexibility for the new kids on the block, IMHO. There is an economic “floor” available for teams from the shared marketing and TV deals. That will help bolster things regardless of ticket sales. That said, I would not be surprised if the budget floats down a bit… even now.
payroll
Man, I can’t WAIT to go see the Braves play a couple times this year… hopefully more than that!! It’s been a long winter….
First thing that comes to mind is i cant wait till Lowe is off the books.
2nd thing is for some reason i thought Jurrjens and Escobar were super 2s . . . . guess i was wrong.
3rd. I have been trying to say this in other posts how if we start Heyward this year by the time he is arb eligible we will be having some money come off the books and by the time an extension with him gets expensive we will have a lot of money off the books. Also have to take into account raises to Prado, Schafer, Escobar, and Hanson.
Jurrjens spoke this morning...
on XM ’Radio’s Power Alley’ show:
[paraphrased, but this is the essence of the quote’s intent]
“I love the city – Iove the team — I watched them growing up. If they offer something me and my agent like, I’d love to stay here.”
Funny, didn’t that one guy say those same things? What’s his name again? Teixeira or something?
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
true, but I feel as though something is different with JJ. I feel like he’d actually be a man and stick to his words.
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
Notice the word agent
JJ said “If they offer something me and my agent like”. Doesn’t sound like a discount to me. Sounds more like if the Braves will pay me more than anybody else would, I’ll be a Brave. I hope Wren doesn’t lowball JJ, I’d rather he win his Cy Young award as a Brave.
We'll see
While I’d like to extend JJ if we can do so at a reasonable price, I don’t think we necessarily have to keep him beyond 2013. I mean, if we get 4 more years out of him, we’ll already have gotten 6 good years at fairly low cost from him.
By 2014, we should be looking at guys like Minor, Spruill, and at least one of Teheran/Vizcaino, along with Hanson. Assuming these guys don’t get traded. It’d be nice to keep JJ, but there’s reason the Braves should pay excessively to keep him around.
don’t forgot about Delgado
and of course the inevitable “where the hell did this guy come from” pitcher
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
if u are referring to the good Cole from 2008, than absolutely…i would consider Robinson Lopez as a possible candidate..we know about him, but we arent positive how good he is.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
lol indeed
As much as i love Jurrjens I could stomach us trading him. Maybe this upcoming off-season (2010-2011) If Minor is ready
by drumzalicious on Jan 28, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well unlike Tex. JJ really did grow up a Braves fan. I remember him saying how excited his dad was after he was traded.
r-e-p-l-y
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 27, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Truth.
They were easy to watch with the Superstation, and Andruw obviously had a big following in Curacao.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
To justin....
w-h-y?
Seriously buzz off man. You always have some snarky comment to my posts.
off topic
Damn u purdue…u beat my badgers the other night…it was a pretty good game tho soo touche
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Waaaaaah...
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
He’s trying to help you not look like a simpleton who can’t comprehend how to use a message board. But yeah, I guess that’s reason enough to act like a smart ass.
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 4, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
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