Frank Wren's Report Card and Recap (poll included)
So, it looks like Frank Wren and Co. are likely finished with their offseason, with the possible exception of a real cheap veteran player. There have been rumors out the yin-yang (Bob Bruney or Josh Willingham anyone?), along with a vast assortment of trades and signings this offseason. The Braves have certainly had their share of peaks and valleys, and the man responsible for most of this is Frank Wren.
How do you feel about the moves he's made this offseason? Poll and a summary after the jump. Oh, and remember, in the words of Sir P. Diddy:
A recap of our offseason, with my imput and opinion:
Braves extend Tim Hudson, 3yrs/$28MM - Very, very good move for the Braves. Huddy is a fan favorite who does a ton of work in the community. And in an offseason where Brandon Lyon gets 3yrs/$15MM, you know it's a steal, assuming Tim's elbow is healthy.
Braves sign minor league FA Juan Abreu - Uhhh... Manny Acosta 2.0?
Braves off arbitration to Mike Gonzalez and Raffy Soriano, not LaRoche - Great! We'll get two 1st round picks now! /facepalm
Braves sign Billy Wagner, 1yr/$7MM w/ option for 2011 - If he's healthy, Billy Wagner is an absolute beast. However, he's 39 and coming off of Tommy John surgery. If he gets hurt, we could be in trouble. It also looks like Wren overpaid for BWag, but hindsight is always 20/20.
Braves sign Takashi Saito, 1yr/$3MM+ - In my opinion, this was the worst move of the offseason by FW. Saito's numbers declined in 2009, and reports said that the Sox had to be very cautious with how they pitched Saito (limited pitch count, and he very rarely pitched on consecutive days). I can see it now in June, "Bobby makes the trip to the mound and brings in reliever Takashi Saito, making his 50th appearance of the season." It's not that I don't have faith in Saito...I'm just terrified of how Bobby uses him. At least KK has a BFF now.
Rafael Soriano accepts arbitration, Braves trade him to Rays for P Jesse Chavez - F*ck you Raffy. Thanks for denying us our 1st round draft pick. I hope you have a super season in Tamba Bay. Break a leg!
Braves DFA Ryan Church - With all his injury concerns, it was pretty obvious this move would be made. Church played well for us in 2009 in the 6 games he wasn't injured for. He also helped us get rid of He Who Shall Not Be Named, so I guess we're eternally grateful to him.
Braves DFA Kelly Johnson - As all of you know, I'm a huge supporter of Martin Prado. However, I was really bummed by the move to DFA KJ. Were there really no teams willing to at least send us a B-level prospect? None at all? It's also a risky move, with no other replacement for Prado should he get injured. But with Kelly set to make $3MM or so, I guess we couldn't afford to keep him around.
Braves avoid arbitration with Matt Diaz, sign him for $2.55MM - A hell of a deal for the God know as MattyD. He'd easily make more than $5MM on the open market. I just pray Bobby hits him leadoff more often.
Braves sign 3 FAs, Mitch Jones, Scott Proctor and Joe Thurston - Jones could be a strong bench player for us and Thurston could fill in around the infield should we hit a huge injury bug. Proctor could also be added as a veteran bullpen guy around mid-season if healthy.
Braves trade Javy Vazquez and Boone Logan to Yankees for Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and Arodis Vizcaino - When I first heard of this, I was driving. Within 2 seconds, I bellowed a loud "ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!" and pulled over on the side of the road to check MLBTR. I was so pissed. Javy Vazquez for Melky Freakin Cabrera and 2 scrub prospects?! I had lost total confidence in Frank Wren. However, as the days passed and we learned more and more about Vizcaino, Dunn and Melky, I felt a little better. Vizcaino could be an ace for us, Dunn is a decent (and cheaper) LOOGY than Logan is, and Melky will be a fine 4th OF. It also saved us money, which could be used at the trade deadline. I still wish we had Javy, but I guess shit happens.
Braves sign Troy Glaus, 1yr/$1.75MM+ - In quite possibly one of the best moves in all of baseball this offseason, the Braves signed Glaus for a fantastic amount of money. If healthy, Troy could be the cheapest 30HR guy in the majors. Health has always been a concern, but if his shoulder stays healthy (Troy has been working out with no restrictions since early December), he should be just fine hitting #4 for us behind Chipper.
Braves sign Eric Hinske, 1yr/$1MM+ - Another fantastic signing by the Bravos. He can fill in for Chipper and Glaus on the corners and can also man RF and LF. He can also be a fantastic pinch-hitter coming off the bench. Hinske could be a huge asset to the 2010 Braves. This also means no possible return of Greg Norton, which I'll thank the lord for later tonight.
Braves DFA Brandon Jones - Well, at least the Royals have a new OF to add to their club. And somewhere, Bigjoe is probably going into shock now that Swagger is gone. We're here for you, man.
Jeeze, that was a bunch of typing. No wonder I'm getting carpal tunnel in one of my wrists.
So, what are your feelings and thoughts on the whole 2009-2010 offseason? Happy voting and posting.
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Frank Wren and Co. get a solid B+. I hated the Saito signing and Vazquez trade, but the Huddy, Glaus and Hinske moves could prove to be fantastic bargains. I also like the BWag signing as well.
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
"Let Jason Heyward start the season in RF, and get the hell out of his way."
Tyreke Evans for Rookie of the Year.
Peyton Manning = Best Quarterback of all time.
At Arizona, our basketball team doesn't rebuild...we re-load.
I gave it an A-, I loved the Glaus, Hinske and the VAZQUEZ TRADE, yes i said it, i LOVED IT! Selling high on a pitcher who had a career year(with 1 year left on contract), getting a potential ace in return, plus we have Hudson and Hanson to replace him. Great, great, great move.
What happens if Vizcaino fails in the majors? that Vazquez trade is going to be a complete failure. But if Vizcaino is an ace then that trade would be great
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jan 13, 2010 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
If he fails
it won’t be a complete failure, we did get Mike Dunn, Melky, and because of the salary relief, Troy Glaus and Eric Hinske. We needed offense bad, and I’ll take 1 year of Glaus and Hinske, couple years of Dunn and Melky, and a #3 prospect in Vizcaino for a while over 1 year of Vazquez.
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 13, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
the trade has multiple moving parts to judge it in 20/20 hindsight...
Does Javy do better his second time in NY, especially considering the HR rate there?
Does Boone Logan do well as their lefty (losing Coke and Dunn this off season made Logan pretty crucial for them)?
Does Mike Dunn get his control under control and become a great lefty option in the back end of our pen?
Does Melky become a valuable contributor going forward?
What kind of package do we get for Melky (or McLouth, Schafer, or Diaz) in the next 6-12 months once Heyward is in Braves lineup?
Does Vizcaino pan out (or get packaged for a piece that helps the big club)?
Lots of moving parts in this trade
by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
One thing about the "if we had traded Lowe" scenario
I posted this on a thread before, but late, so I dunno if it got any play. I believe this is accurate:
Let’s say that the reports of Wren offering $9mill ($3m per year for the 3 years remaining on Lowe’s contract) were right. Had such a trade occurred, the Braves would have been obligated to pay that $9 million in the next 18 months — not over 3 years. Ergo, $6mill would have been eaten this year. $14.5m – $6m leaves $8.5m of budget savings instead of the presumed $11.5m… which IS the savings realized when the Yankees picked up Vazquez and his entire salary.
So that trade was balanced between cost savings, projected relative performances, possibly the cost-certainty of Lowe over 3 years, and (of course) the return of players in any trade. Given that, the lousy market, and everything else, I gotta give FW high marks for that: JV’s total yield was Melky, Dunn, Hinske, Glaus, and Vizcaino… and maybe a even a mid-season helper.
Otherwise, we all complained a lot about the available bats (and face it, the pickins’ were slim outside of the unaffordables), but Glaus and Hinske probably generated the least bad vibes of all. High marks here for getting the better risks before they were snapped up elsewhere… and on budget.
I gave a B+… my concerns on the downside are Saito, and the general injury risk level. The “impact bat” just wasn’t available, and relative to the competition, the Braves are better.
If true, that’s a great report on DLowe.
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
"Let Jason Heyward start the season in RF, and get the hell out of his way."
Tyreke Evans for Rookie of the Year.
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by Scott Coleman on Jan 12, 2010 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Impact bat(s) was(were) available....
but F(Y)W did not have the trading skill (ballocks) to pull off a deal…we just upped our average age of our team by a few decades!…I guess we have been spoilt by JS pulling off great deals….(except that year we got Mondessi and B Jordan but then our Farm teams were overstocked with great talent….ones ready for the majors….this year maybe two could step in and make a major contribution.
oh yea…I gave him a B- cause he did not trade Chipper for Milky…hee hee
by bravestatoo on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Please tell me what bats were available.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 13, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Holiday and his $140million dollar bat was available. Duhhhh
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
"Let Jason Heyward start the season in RF, and get the hell out of his way."
Tyreke Evans for Rookie of the Year.
Peyton Manning = Best Quarterback of all time.
At Arizona, our basketball team doesn't rebuild...we re-load.
by Scott Coleman on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, he said through trade. I want to know what bats have been traded this offseason.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 13, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Surely if Wren was as good as JS he could have duped the D-Backs into trading J-Upton for JoJo KJ and some live arm from our Low A team. Or he would have pantzed Ned Colleti with a Kemp for BJones, Todd Redmond package. JS would have taken McPhail for a ride and got Adam Jones for Cody Gearin Brandon Hicks and a bucket of David’s sunflower seeds. Those are just some of the impact bats that Wren missed out on because of his amazing inabillity to pry young impact hitters away from other teams.
Nice speculation...
…but for the record, of all the teams that also were demanding an “impact bat” (Giants, Rangers, Seattle – just to name 3), NONE landed such trades either.
But get real: Adam Jones and Upton are as close to untradeable as Tommy Hanson. The Red Sox seem desperate for Adrian Gonzalez, but were unable to get San Diego to move.
sarcasm fail
My apologies for the failure of my sarcasm to come through in that post. Those were completely ridiculous trades that I made up, but are analogous to the kind that some think that GM’s should be able to pull off. I know that all 3 of those players are virtually untouchable, but was just trying to add some wit and humor to the Wren failed to trade for an impact bat that was available. Which we all know there were none available that were cost affordable.
mea culpa
I should have recognized that… though stranger suggestions have been seriously suggested!
By the way: the Giants have introduced Aubrey Huff as their everyday 1st baseman to hit cleanup this year. .241, 15 homers, .694 OPS in 2009 over 150 games. Yes, Melky, Hinske, and Glaus all have better numbers than he.
In fairness to Huff...
…he was much better in 2008, although 2008 was probably a career year for him. It was a really bad signing by the Giants, even if it was only for $3 million—-he moves Sandoval to third, DeRosa to left, and Uribe to utility, weakening the defense at all three positions and improving the offense only slightly. As I mentioned on a different message board yesterday, if a team is going to sign a player that doesn’t make the team any better at all, why don’t they just not do it and send the money to me instead??
Exactly.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 13, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not only nice..but..ta dah...he is correct!
We “Ain’t” the Giants, Rangers,or Seattle (two of which have never been to a WS or won one)…….but the names may be lofty but my point was that there were teams that had needs (pitching…and centerfielders)….who had had some extra pwr bats..who I belive if they were offered the right deal would have jumped……
those teams you ask were….Brewers, Angels (after they lost Lackey) Rangers wanted Pitching…I think I would add Baltimore who need a little bit of everything….but instead of Adam Jones…I like their Scott kidd…I saw him last year play against the Yanks (again Burnett) he hit a HR…when he was down in the count.
If that were the case
don’t you think the Braves would have made one of those moves? I mean, Wren has shown that he can be very aggressive in making moves (which is how the Braves got Jurrjens). If it were that easy, I’m sure Wren would have done it. To imply otherwise is rather ludicrous.
But for hahas, lets go through it shall we?
Brewers have Fielder and Braun, and weren’t trading either for Lowe or Vazquez. Sorry, just wasn’t going to happen. Dream on.
Angels didn’t want Lowe, seems clear now, and probably didn’t want to give up enough quality to get Vazquez. I will note that the Angels historically hold onto their prospects.
Rangers are in a financial quandry and probably couldn’t afford to make a move for one of the Braves pitchers.
And Baltimore has a bunch of young pitching prospects who are pretty much ready, and no desire to give up a guy like Adam Jones for a 1 year rental or an overpaid veteran.
To think that these trades were obvious or easy is indescribably naive.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
What the Angels would give up for Vasquez didn't matter...
with his no trade to the west clause.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 15, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I even forgot about that
Either way, to say that Wren has some inability to pull off big moves is ludicrous.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Please verify
Was Frank Wren fully in charge when we got JJ? or was JS still “helping”…..and being able to “pull-off” trades with the Pirates does not count…I was talking about off season….
Still I do not disagree with your comment..yes, if would have been impossible to pull off a trade for the talent you said….but as a fan don’t we expect that not only from our team..but to include the front office people who make the big bucks? (just not as much as the players)
We hope
but can’t expect ludicrous results from the Front office, the team, or anybody for that matter.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 18, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lowe and his contract
even if you throw in 3 million per year and that’s the way its usually done, not in a lump sum, still wouldn’t net an impact bat from the brewers in my estimation. I guess it depends on what one considers an impact bat, but other than Gamel, they don’t have a lot of surplus hitting.
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i wanna see FW’s excel files on his laptop…lol
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 14, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
B-
I’m a Wreniac. And as excited as I am about Vizcaino, I can’t help but think surely he could have gotten more. And I understand not eating money to trade Lowe as I think he’ll bounce back and pitch well for us. Maybe I’m being a little too hard on him as I can’t really fault any of his moves other than the Vaz trade, so maybe I should give Wren a A-/B+ and give Liberty the F they so deserve.
But I did read a quote by Wren saying that if attendance was better then maybe their payroll would increase. All you damned Atlantans need to get your sorry butts to the ballpark so we can sign Pujols.
Pujols or bust in 2012!
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
"Let Jason Heyward start the season in RF, and get the hell out of his way."
Tyreke Evans for Rookie of the Year.
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by Scott Coleman on Jan 12, 2010 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
More?
We got a guy that projects to be better than Hanson, and Vazquez had 1 year left on his contract and the Yankees ate all of it. Greedy greedy.
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 13, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
A 19 year old projection and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee…a shitty cup of coffee at that.
I’m not being unrealistic saying we should have gotten a clean up hitter for him but Wren had the cards stacked against him with everyone knowing he had to get rid if a pitcher. Therefore he got less than he possibly could have on a true trade market.
by Bobby Cocks on Jan 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While Vazquez had a great year last season...
…he was (is) a one-year rental and has an $11+ million price tag. The number of teams who could afford that and are going for it this year and needed pitching are not easy to find. We got what we could.
a 19 year old projection is worth a whole lot more than that, think about the possibility of trading him when hes about ready for the majors, that will get us a ton more than what Vazquez wouldve gotten us in a bat. It’s not like we could’ve traded Vaz straight up for AGon or Fielder. Think more long term rather than short term. 1 year of Vaz would not have won us the world series with an already solid rotation of Hudson, Jurrjens, Hanson, Lowe, and Kawakami. If we had kept Vaz, we wouldn’t have Glaus, and I don’t think any of us want to see McCann batting 4th again.
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Great recap, thanks man.
I did not like the trade of Vasquez. I understand the economics, but I also remember the days when that part was left out of the equation, and it wasn’t that long ago.
I’d prefer it if they moved Lowe over Vasquez, and while I understand that the “potential” return on Vasquez could be enormous, it’s still not realized yet. Anything can happen down the road.
I guess we had to do something with the bullpen, but I’m not sure we really improved with Wagner and Saito. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.
First base has been a mess for a while now, and I was hoping to see a more permanent solution. Nothing against Glaus, and I get why it was a one-year deal, but the musical chairs isn’t helping.
health -C
all of the acquisition have the thing in common, they are good move if the players stays injury free
Hudson was a giid signing, but could we have paid Vazquez $35mil over the next 3 years and got better results and less of an injury risk
Wagner – injury risk?
Saito – injury risk?
Glaus – injury risk?
add that to clipper and a old old Lowe
Church is a better player than the Coor field east inflated stats of Milky … In fact Francoeur was superior in the last 2 years than Mily, and he does not play in a lauch pad
This team will be competitive if we luck out on all of the above…. if not
So I think this is more a C with an upside of B+ and a downside of F
Vaz
We can’t assume that Vazquez would take that sort of deal, especially if he was coming off another stellar season in Atlanta. He would most likely want to test the FA waters at that point knowing it would be his last chance at a big payday. I liked what he did in Atlanta, but I liked moving him as well.
Are Wagner and Hudson really injury risks?
They both had major surgery, sure, but that surgery repaired their arms. In theory, their arms are better than they were before the surgery. At least that’s how I look at it. Wouldn’t they be less of a risk than someone who hasn’t had their arm repaired?
Anyways, I voted B+. I think Wren did a good job with what he had.
C- from me
I like the Glaus and Hinske signings, but have really hated most of the other decisions.
I would have moved it up to a solid C if we had just traded Vazquez for Dunn and Vizcaino, and let the Yankees keep the worthless Melkman they pawned off on us. Had the Vazquez deal been a straight salary dump and we could have used the money we’ll be wasting on Melky this year for an actual productive player(either a free agent pickup or keeping KJ around for the inevitable Prado collapse), I might have even considered this offseason to be worthy of a B-.
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
A+++++
Whoah. What a fantastic offseason.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
Everyone does not come back from TJ surgery just as good or better. I don’t know why people assume that.
Gave him an F. Wagner hasn’t had a save in 2 years. I hate the Saito move. I hate the Vaz trade & Milky. I hate the Soriano trade.
Glaus was ok.
More Prado hate, surprise, surprise.
Actually, Wagner...
…earned a save on July 29, 2008, within the past two years. He also had 26 others in 2008. I give your comment about him not having a save in two years an F.
Also, if you gave Wren one of your F’s, does that mean we should now call you “itzFan”?
You get an F.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 13, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a 85-92% chance that Tommy John patients recover as good as new, or better. That’s a pretty good percentage. It’s not really something to worry about for pitchers anymore, as long as they’ve had enough time to recover.
by blindsided789 on Jan 13, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Glaus was ok? We got him for a little over a million plus incentives, what would you have preferred?
Melky was a throw in, it was for Vizcaino.
Soriano was a calculated risk, we got Chavez over nothing like we would have gotten if we didn’t offer arb.
Great write up
I gave him a B+
The only thing that keeps me from giving Wren an A is the way he handled the Soriano and Gonzalez arbitration situation. He should not have signed both Wagner and Saito before knowing if either guy would accept or not. The difference between Wagner and Soriano this season is probably going to be very marginal. Basically Soriano for 7.5 mil and our 1st rd pk > Wagner for 7 mil and Chavez.
Oh and the Braves also signed Brent Clevlen as a minor league FA as well. He could be a nice addition as well since he can play all three OF positions if someone goes down. we have very good depth in the OF this year. McLouth, Diaz, Cabrera, Hinske, M. Jones, Clevlen, Schafer, Heyward. The reason I put Schafer and Heyward last is because we have plenty of depth to the point that we don’t have to rush them.
B+
No real steals on the trade market (that is what gets you As), but some excellent low cost free agent signings. Wren doesn’t have a lot to work with here, its not like he sets the payroll. Hopefully, there is enough left in the tank to sneak away somebody during the season if we aren’t demolished by injuries.
It will be a great year if nobody gets hurt.
Got a B from me
Take away Saito, add Vlad and maybe he would have had a B+. I know his defense is terrible, but he can F**K’N hit.
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
Alas, we have no DH position...
…except for 6 games a year. Vlad’s bat, while still good, has declined as well, and his defense is so bad that it isn’t really playable—-he’ll cost a ton of runs in the field and then probably get hurt doing it.
B-
I wanted to give Wren a higher grade, but I just can’t right now because there are two critical positions that are injury risks – Glaus and Saito. Not only that, but I’m still unhappy about the Vazquez trade. Javy was our ace and I think he was a great mentor to Jurrjens and other players, but of course I understand why he had to be dealt.
If Glaus and Saito prove to be healthy and effective, then I give Wren an A.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions
i think Vizcaino is the true wild card in this offseason’s moves. If he becomes an ace, we will have absolutely destroyed the Yankees in this deal. If he turns into a dud and blows his arm out, Frank Wren will get even more criticism.
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by Scott Coleman on Jan 13, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I seem to remember a trade somewhere around 1988-89 in which the Braves dealt Doyle Alexander at the deadline to the Tigers and picked up this high-A/AA kid that the TIgers really were losing interest in… and the Braves had to ask about him, since the TIgers figured he wasn’t of interest to anyone else, either. Detroit certainly got what they needed down the stretch in Alexander. And we got John Smoltz.
I’d like to change my vote from a B to an A, simply because i just heard “Enter Sandman” on the radio, and it got me super-pumped knowing that will be blaring in the 9th inning at Turner Field this year.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
B
when I look at that recap I can’t really find a move that I don’t think makes our team better in the short and long run.
The Vazquez trade at first didn’t blow me away, but I’m absolutely behind it now. Love Vizcaino. He was kind of hiding in the Yankees system because no one cares about the Yankee system. They sign all their players. I think next year he will emerge as a top 5 pitching prospect in the minors. Will we have 2? 4 in the top 10?
I also really like the DFAKJ move. Now Prado won’t be tempted to look over his shoulder.
Love our veteran bullpen come stretch run/playoff time. If they are still around that is.
Mainly, I gave Wren a B because the bad moves that were made were out of his hands. He couldn’t control Gonzo going to the Orioles and he couldn’t control Soriano being a dick. I would have given him an A, but that could only happen if he signed a huge bat (Bay, Holliday). He just didn’t have the money to work with though to do that—another thing out of his control.
by Jam_2_Fluffhead on Jan 13, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions
Lowe
I have been reading alot here and on other threads people complaining about keeping Lowe while trading Vasquez. The bottom line is the Braves no longer have to rely on Lowe to fill a No. 1 spot in the rotation. People fail to realize that alot of the pitchers that Lowe went up against were No.1’s. We have two kids who can be No.1’s (Hansen and JJ), a No. 1 recovering from TJ surgery (Hudson) and a guy who couldn’t beat anyone but No. 1’s last year (KK). Would most of you take Lowe against the 4 and 5 pitchers in most Nat’l league rotations? If it were the case last season I truly believe the final numbers on Lowe’s season would have been more palatable (as far as W-L).
In the Vasquez trade we got a a young 4th OF, a lefty BP guy and a great “prospect” in return. A prospect is not sure thing, or they would be called a sure thing! All anyone can do is hope that the scouts have done their jobs, the minor league staff’s do their jobs and that the player gives it all he has. The good news is that I do not believe that there is a team in either league who wouldn’t want Vizcaino in their system. After Vasquez bombs in the Bronx, his worth will drop and we can go after him at a much better price.
I gave the Braves a B and it could easily be a B+. Wren had no shot to move Lowe’s contract and Wren did what he had to do. I’ll take Lowe as a 4 or 5 any day of the week and roll the dice on a potential stud pitcher. The only thing that keeps it from the A-range is the offensive pick-ups.
by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Jan 13, 2010 6:55 PM EST reply actions
Dueling Polls
Between this poll and my poll here for 1 day earlier, and – of course – gondeee’s most recent Confidence Poll (which drew almost four times more votes than either of our lowly fanpost polls), there seems to be a clear consistent picture of optimistic, pretty damn satisfied fans.
i'm definately going into this season as
cautiously very optimistic. we could win the World Series if things go our way, but we could also finish 4th in the East. I think we’ll end up somewhere in between, but that’s JMO.
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by Scott Coleman on Jan 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds logical...
…we are good enough to compete, but not so good to be favorites. How it falls depends on variables we just can’t know yet.
WOW dude, making fun of my screen name, grow up. So only good grades count in this post with you Wren homers? Why didn’t you just say so.
Yes pitchers still need to worry about TJ surgery. Unless 85%-92% = %100 somehow.
wat?
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
"Let Jason Heyward start the season in RF, and get the hell out of his way."
Tyreke Evans for Rookie of the Year.
Peyton Manning = Best Quarterback of all time.
At Arizona, our basketball team doesn't rebuild...we re-load.
by Scott Coleman on Jan 17, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions

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