Game 112 Recap: Braves 8, Dodgers 2
You had to have a good feeling about winning the series and ending the west coast road trip on a positive note with Javier Vazquez on the mound, and in typical Javy fashion he was up to the challenge of giving the Braves a solid start when they needed one. He was as sharp on Sunday afternoon as he has been all year. Eight innings, only five hits, two walks, and seven strikeouts as Vazquez controlled the game.
The Braves got him enough offense early in the game, with Matt Diaz getting the scoring started with an opposite field homerun in the second inning. Single runs in the next two innings (when the Braves probably should have gotten more) put the team up by three before Vazquez allowed his first run in the bottom of the fourth.
We were all ready for another nail-biting ninth inning, until the Braves decided to break out the bats and score five times to pad the lead in the top of the ninth. It could have been more if Matt Kemp had not robbed Garret Anderson of what would have been a 2-run homerun.
It's great to see the Braves beat the best team in baseball (coming into this series) three out of four games and have a road trip in which they go 5-and-2. That's a sign that this team is finally gaining some confidence, and also putting together good offensive games with well pitched games.
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lol, No mention of the Braves taking 3/4 in LA on espn.com………..I think it’s funny how all the baseball people wrote this team off back in April.
I still think Phillie and Florida are going to tank, and we win the division.
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
BP’s current adjusted standings have us with a 2-2.5 game lead in the division. We’re starting to reach that point where it doesn’t mean too much (that is, it will lose its predictive value late in the season because there aren’t enough games remaining, but with 10 left against the Marlins and 9 against the Phillies, Braves still control their own fate.
Braves really need to take care of business in their next five games. No messing around with Washington-yes, they’re on a streak, but Atlanta can’t drop one to the worst team in the league. Phillies have to go to Wrigley, so hopefully Atlanta can pick up at least another half game before the weekend tilt. And the Braves can’t lose ground in the head to head games.
If the Braves sweep Washington and take 2 of 3 from Philadelphia, they’ll likely only be 3 games back with 45 games to play.
i completely love the fact that javy is really doing well but i just dont understand why he is pitching so much better than he has in the past… anyone have any reasons other than the fact that this is the NL.
hes always had the stuff
never the team behind him, and he is not a “big game pitcher”
by carolinabrave89 on Aug 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't playing for the right team.... Javy fits perfectly with the Braves.
Our manager, despite his ejections, is actually a guy that backs up the players, no matter what. “Guys love confidence.” lol
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
…..not meaning ejections are a bad thing….just that despite all that, he’s the man, and all these guys love playing for him (unlike other managers)….
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely
Bobby is the anti Ozzie, Javy needs confidence which Bobby instills better then anyone in baseball
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Aug 9, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re looking for some SABR-metric explanations, he’s overachieving to some extent.
His peripherals have long suggested that he’s a better pitcher than his basic numbers have born out, but he’s suffered from a combination of bad luck and the “big inning syndrome.” But he’s still pitching better than even the corrections including the league adjustment, which really paint this as a career year for him.
I’ve never really watched him in the past, so I checked out Pitch F/X to find out if he’s been this good the past two years (because he’s been nothing short of awesome this year). Pitch F/X is only available since the start of 2007, and it’s a shame because it’s such a good tool.
One thing that’s immediately apparent is that Pitch F/X credits him with an extra pitch this year. In 2007-2008, he apparently didn’t utilize a 2-seam fastball, but he’s replaced about 10% of his 4-seamers with a combination of 2-seamers, curves, and change-ups. This is significant because his 2 seamer carries nearly the same velocity as his 4 seamer, but breaks about 2 inches away from right handers, really making it an effective out pitch.
One more thing I’m seeing is tighter clustering on his curveball data, meaning that he’s really controlling it with great consistency. He’s not having games where his curveball just isn’t working, or doesn’t have the same break, or he can’t locate it. It’s been a great pitch in every start he’s made this year, compared to the last two years when he didn’t always have it. As a result, he’s throwing his curveball about 3% more.
That’s about as much as I can add. Watching him, he makes very mistakes, every pitch is live with lots of movement, and he picks some great locations. The curve is a deadly weapon.
Bronn’s explanation is great.
Looking at his numbers, this is the first year where he’s been really lucky (75.5% strand rate, .306 BAbip) and pitched really well (4.57 K/BB…!!!) in the same season.
There’s an outside shot that he pitches this well next year, but there’s almost no chance of him sustaining that strand rate through the rest of the year, let alone next.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 9, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s hoping we don’t get caught looking ahead to Philly and get embarassed by Washington.
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
I’m pretty sure that this team would love nothing more than kicking ass the next 2 games. The Nats think they have some kind of edge…….fuck that.
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This series really helped me regain confidence in our chances at the postseason. We’re now only 3.5 out of the wildcard, but more importantly only 4.5 out of the division race.
We do have the Nats coming up, which you would think would be a good thing, but they have a tendency as of late to beat us. And, has anyone else noticed that Washington has won EIGHT straight games???
Yeah, I’m really nervous (about the Nationals!!) because the Braves can’t afford to slip here, but not only have they struggled against the Nationals the past 2 season, but the Nationals are scorching hot.
If I felt like we had a bit more room to make mistakes, this wouldn’t worry me. I’d accept losing one to the Nationals in the hope that we could make up it over the weekend. But with only 50 games left, there’s so little room for error when you’re still down in the division race. At least I can feel good about the pitching probables for the Nats.
Their probables make me nervous. Lannan is 3-2 with a 3.32 ERA in six career starts against us. Plus, the next guy, Stammen, is a rookie facing the Braves for the first time, a situation we tend to perform VERY poorly in.
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
And we made Lannan
look like a Cy Young candidate last time.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 9, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That was last time. All the pieces are there, now. We can do it.
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lannan is a good pitcher, but we’re trotting out Hanson. Despite Lannan’s history of owning the Braves, I feel that’s fairly even.
In the other game, Lowe has run off 6 straight quality starts going back to July 10. If Craig Stammen doesn’t pitch an absolute gem, that game is certainly winnable. Their bullpen is just not very good, despite what MacDougle has done there lately.
I have no fear of MacDougal
he’s a ticking time bomb. His peripherals indicate that he’s probably the worst closer in baseball.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 9, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow, deep down…..I already knew this.
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
1st time 4 games over .500 since April 12th.
We were 5 W, 1 L.
I think we are primed for a post-season drive.
Feeling great! Go Braves....screw you ESPN!
Today’s game was just a joy to watch. Taking three of four from the Dodgers was huge…and we did it without Chipper and Nate Dogg. I can’t wait till Hudson and Infante make it back. Does anyone think that Javy could get into the Cy Young conversation if he racks up a few more wins? I don’t think Manny Ramirez’s knees ever unbuckled from those pitches in his first at bat. Here’s hoping we keep it going. ESPN needs someone new to talk about other than the Yanks and Sox.
JV certainly could
and it wouldn’t hurt if the Braves put themselves into the playoff picture.
I know it wouldn’t be the first time a man has won the Cy Young without going to the AS game, but it doesn’t happen often. Would be a lovely little coup if he could pull that off.
unless Haren implodes and Lincecum dies, I don’t think he has a chance.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 9, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s pitching at worst on par with Harenn, though Haren does have the park disadvantage. I still think Javy is ahead of anyone not named Lincecum.
Timmy is running away with it though. He’s really looking like the second coming of Pedro Martinez.
Lincecum:Pitchers::Pujols:Hitters
Vaz and Lincecum
Their stats really aren’t that different. They have the same WHIP, similar K:BB and similar ERA. Those are the stats that Cy Young voters look at…oh, and wins too.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 10, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim: 2.20 ERA, 42BB, 198K, 1.04 WHIP, 12-3 W-L
Vaz: 2.90 ERA, 32BB, 171K, 1.04 WHIP, 10-7 W-L
I think our offense may not only cost him an AS appearance, but a Cy Young run as well.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 10, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That similar ERA ain’t so similar. Imagine comparing a 3.20 ERA to a 3.9 ERA. That’s the difference between very good and just kinda good.
This is the difference between super awesome and great.
I understand that it is .7 (or almost a complete run) difference, but they are both under 3.0…once someone crosses that threshold, in my mind it all blurs together.
But, I do agree with your point.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
FIP
Lincecum: 1.92
Vazquez: 2.62
So similar, huh?
Timmy Franchise is also allowing half as many homers, which is INSANE.
how is FIP figured out, exactly? I have often wondered, but have been too lazy to take the 20 seconds to figure it out.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 11, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
With the way we are playing, I would love to see us in a postseason game. With our pitching, good things are bound to happen to us.
Would you want to face this in a short series?
JV, Jurrjens, Lowe (presumably), and Hanson if needed?
I think not.
We’ve got sound pitching, with several other pieces in the system (Omar, Huddy, Heyward, Connie), not to mention a roster consisting of some of the best guys in the game.
Honestly, we deserve to win the whole damned thing after all the shady calls we’ve endured this year. And it would negate the Thillies entirely. That would be awesome.
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like this team was built for the postseason.
1) A stud closer
2) Two more really good BP arms
3) 2 extremely good starters.
4) Chipper Jones
5) Great bench play (on any given day, Prado/KJ, Diaz/Church, Ross, Infante coming back)
days off Monday and Thursday
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 9, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and the rest is needed. however, KK and Javy did a tremendous job by saving the bullpen.
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by Scott Coleman on Aug 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
any one know if
cliff lee is pitching against us next weekend?
that would be an interesting duel since we’ll have jj,kk, and javy as our starters next weekend.
but i would definately love if we werent facing him
Well lets see:
Blanton pitched last Friday, Hamels yesterday and Moyer today.
Either Happ or Pedro will pitch Tuesday.
Lee is Wednesday
Blanton is Thursday.
So it looks like it’ll be Hamels vs. JJ on Friday.
And then some combination of Pedro/Happ/Moyer on Saturday and Sunday (i would hope for Pedro and Moyer) vs. KK and Javy.
So no, we won’t see Cliff Lee. He’ll probably start the day after we finish the series up.
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by Scott Coleman on Aug 9, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To look ahead, here’s your probables (with some conjecture):
Friday will be Jurrjens vs. Hamels in all likelihood.
Saturday would be Kawakami’s turn in the rotation. However, given that he threw a season-high (by a lot) 125 pitches in his last start, it’s possible that the Braves could skip his turn in the rotation given the two off days this week. And in all fairness to KK, Vazquez has been by far our best pitcher this year, and he’d have 5 days rest if he went on Saturday. For Philadelphia, there’s some speculation that Happ will be booted from the rotation in favor of Pedo. I doubt it, so I predict that we’ll see Happ on Saturday.
I’d advocate for JV on Saturday if I thought it would make any difference.
Hanson could then pitch on regular (4 days) rest on Sunday. If not, then JV would start, and would face either Moyer or Pedro. Best case scenario is that we get to see Moyer on Sunday, and I’d love to see Hanson used in this series. If Moyer got the call on Sunday, it seems like overkill to use Vazquez against him-Moyer has not been very good this year. But, of course, I’m predicting that Pedro takes his place in the rotation.
Did I muddy things up enough?
haha hereee comes Freeman! Maybe Churchy and MattyD are gonna take over at the 1B coach to let Heyward man RF.
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by Scott Coleman on Aug 9, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent game made even better by taking the Series.
Javy pitched a gem, our offense did their job (even without Chipper and Nate) and we managed to hang on to win it and save our bullpen.
Good stuff all around.
In actuality, we really played better and should have won game 1, so in my Braves fan heart, we “technically” swept them. ;-)
We must handle the Nationals this week. The last thing we want to is come away from a successful road trip and lose in front of the home fans. Time to make our stand and get ourselves on the radar for the post season.
Now Continue It
This was potentially a season defining series. The Braves went into the yard of the best team in baseball and were one missplaced Soriano fastball away from sweeping them.
Key now is to return home and stay hot. Keep the bats swinging.
Love this quote from Diaz:
On the Braves site about the end of the series and road trip:
“It’s pretty phenomenal,” Diaz said. “We’re pretty happy. To come out West and go [at least] .500 is good for us Georgia boys. We don’t like to travel over the Mississippi a lot of times.”

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