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Game 117 Recap: Phillies 4, Braves 1

There's not a whole lot to discuss about with this game - the Braves put up a stinker for the night, and they lost as a result.  In the end, the Phillies stretch out their lead in the division, and we the fans go home disappointed until the next win.

The game started an hour and 47 minutes late, due to rain.  Funny thing is, I live maybe 17 miles away from Turner Field, and I was in my backyard grilling meat on the grill, with sure, a little bit of wind, but not a drop of rain then, or the entire evening.  But since we can't risk disappointing the four-lettered network, the game must go on, and we're stuck listening to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan blabber on about the most idiotic things since the Macarena, Peanut Butter Jelly Time or Hamster Dance.

More game synopsis and discussion after the jump.


Final - 8.16.2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Philadelphia Phillies 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 4 7 0
Atlanta Braves 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 0
WP: J.A. Happ (9 - 2)
SV: Brad Lidge (23)
LP: Javier Vazquez (10 - 8)

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Javier Vazquez came out and put up another respectable performance, going seven full innings, allowing six hits, walking two, while striking out seven.  Unfortunately for him, two of those hits were home runs to Ryan Howard, the first of which being a solo shot that barely made it over the right-center wall.  The second one, however, was a mammoth blast into the right-field seats, with the worst part being that Jimmy Rollins and Shane Victorino were on base at the time.  Howard accounted for all four Philly runs on the evening.  Take him out of the picture, and Javy's night was solid; he kept the prominent offensive cogs pretty ineffective (Rollins 1-4, Utley 0-3 2K, Ibanez 0-4 2K, Werth 0-4 2K).

Howard had a monster evening, but the man of the night was Philly starter J.A. Happ, whom in 7.2 innings, not only held the Braves to a measley three hits, but also got out of two big jams (1st, 6th innings) to kick the wind out of the Braves' sails.  It was frustrating for the Braves, as Happ showed some inconsistency in his location, as evidenced by his six walks, but the Braves would either hit into double-plays, or strike out on the high fastball that Happ threw for about 6.1 innings before they figured it out, to negate any base-runners or scoring threats.  Despite the four cumulative hits on the night, the Braves still managed to strand a whopping 11 runners on base; definitely not pretty.

If there was anything positive for the Atlanta Braves on this night, it would be that Matt Diaz continued to ** rule, by having himself a 2-for-4 night, and accounted for the Braves' lone run with an impressive golf-swing of an opposite-field home run off of Happ in the 4th inning.

Two things I'd like to bring up for discussion:

Brad Lidge credited with a "save."  He pitched 0.1 IP, with a man on base, a slap-hitting utility man at-bat, and the kind-of-mediocre tying-run being on-deck.  I understand that this still falls within the criteria of a one-out save, but I think it's still kind of ridiculous.

Brian McCann, clean-up hitter for a whole season?  Now I love Baby Jesus as much as most Braves fans do, but is anyone else feeling the apprehension at having Heap batting clean-up throughout an entire season?  Since the all-star break, he's batting .248/.313/.495, and there might not be a more suitable replacement for the #4 spot in the lineup, but I suppose what I'm saying is my concern over Heap being put in the role of the run producer.  Over the off-season, I was in the minority of not wanting McCann being a cleanup guy, due to the fact that he's a catcher, the most physically strenuous position in baseball, and toll it takes doing the catching duties as well as being expected to be the RBI guy.  We've seen late-season falterings from McCann in previous years, and I admire all the physical hard work he's put in over the last off-season to improve his physical conditioning, but watching the games, I'm finding his at-bats predictable, and IMO, not what I'm hoping to see from a clean-up guy. 

Some here used to joke about Casey Kotchman being "Mr. 3U," for all the balls he'd hit right to the first baseman, but I actually find that McCann is, and has long been a more succeptible candidate to pull the ball right to first.  Some teams have actually employed a shift on McCann.  At least once a game, we'll see McCann clobber the snot out of a baseball hard into the first-base seats, which if you could hear me, I would always declare "the (McCann) Super Foul."

Since the all-star break, he's had four multi-hit games, and none in the month of August.  In fact, his batting numbers drop to .163/.245/.279 and only 3 XBH in the month of August.  I think he either needs to go have one of his meetings with his dad, or whether he realizes it or not, is beginning to show the signs late-season fatigue.

Part of a dilemma is the fact that there's nobody else seemingly suitable to take the role of the #4 hitter.  I'm not to keen on the idea of Garret Anderson being the clean-up guy, nor do I like the idea of Adam LaRoche doing it, either.  Call me crazy, but out of everyone on the everyday roster, I'd be curious to see Yunel Escobar at the cleanup spot.  At first, I thought Nate McLouth, but that would open up the dilemma of having a lead-off guy.  Escobar has responded positively in the five-spot; he also seems least likely to have one of those idiosyncratic ineptitudes in an unfamiliar batting spot.

Anyway, just a thought, and hopefully it sparks some interesting discussion.  gondeee returns from his Dances With Wolves-like sabbatical in the Cherokee mountains starting tomorrow, and cbtits and I return you to your regularly scheduled program, which is an unfortunate make-up game between the Arizona Diamondbacks, back from the rain-shortened series in May.  Tentatively scheduled is a battle of young guns, Max Scherzer vs. Tommy Hanson.  If you recall, the series was tied at 1-1, so let's hope that Hanson can deliver, and the Braves can bounce back from a series loss, to a quick series win.

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May a colony of chiggers infest Ryan Howard’s jockstrap.

"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."

by bravos1984 on Aug 17, 2009 3:47 AM EDT reply actions  

If they don't take residence in one of his giant nostrils first.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yunel #4?

I dunno about that one. Some of those AB’s he put up tonight were horrible.

I think Mac just needs some days off. we have a great back up catcher in David Ross and i dont know why he hasnt been used a little more often.

by drumzalicious on Aug 17, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

This. And I would have started Omar in CF and Kelly at 2nd last night.

(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 17, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh huh. Omar in CF, Kelly at 2B, David Ross at C, and Yunel batting cleanup. Oh, well, Ross will probably start today and hit 2 HR’s.

by John Holton on Aug 17, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t get it. If Mac is tired, then give him some days off. Whatever happened to having the backup catcher be the personal catcher for one starter? I’m not sure why Bobby has gone away from that this year. It was an easy way to ensure the starting catcher got a rest 1 out of every 5 days. Why bother spending millions on a quality backup catcher like Ross only to have him never start (and never pinch hit either)?

by redwards95 on Aug 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

this ^

I thought that Ross would get the FOX day game start of this series for sure. And I’ve wondered the same thing as far as why he’s not being used in a pinch hitter role. The Braves could use some help there (even though Norton has shown some patience and a good eye lately in drawing walks@ least).

by adc62 on Aug 17, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most teams don't like PHing their only backup catcher.

You’re screwed then if the starter gets hurt.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bobby thinks McCann is better than our catchers have been, and more able to handle the workload.

I’m sure he calls a better game.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that David Ross is the backup catcher, but he’s shown that he can get the job done when he’s in the lineup. I wouldn’t mind seeing McCann sit a couple of games and let Ross handle the catching against Arizona and the Mets. I think McCann is fatigued and it’s starting to show at the plate. As for Escobar, he’s got the best average with runners in scoring position, which is what you want to see in your cleanup hitter.

by John Holton on Aug 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purely theoretical

And let’s face the fact, even Chipper bit on the high fastball too. Even the two hits by Diaz weren’t pretty, and everyone had bad ABs against Happ last night.

I agree on the notion that Bobby hasn’t been utilizing Ross; it’s not like we’re trotting Corky Miller out every 5th day now. McCann really could use the rest, and he’s made appearances in 13 consecutive games thus far. In previous years, the tell-tale sign of his fatigue was how often he would pop out, a minuscule observation by Chipper that Heap wasn’t getting his swing as high as he should be to make optimal contact. Now, he often looks like he’s swinging late on good fastballs, or he’s overcompensating by swinging too early, resulting in all the super-fouls and dead pull liners.

But if Bobby’s not going to take advantage of Ross and continue to trot out a tired McCann, I’m all for giving Escobar a theoretical shot at clean-up. There’s nobody else on the current roster I feel is capable of not collapsing in that spot than Yunel.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Aug 17, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did have 2 off days this week. Maybe this week is the aberration and not the norm?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

It’s like picky pitchers who prefer scheduled rest over taking it when they can get it; you know, the ones that if there’s a scheduled off-day on their turn, they’ll do an extra long bullpen session and sit out another five days instead.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Aug 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lack of Ross

David Ross has a grand total of 9 AB’s since the all-star break, in 3 starts. That is just unacceptable. SSS to be sure, but the guy has a 900+ OPS when he plays and gets “regular” time as a backup. Even if that regressed 100 points, that’s still damn good and keeps McCann fresh. Playing him once every 2 weeks is not going to help him stay sharp at all, and makes both McCann and Ross worse.

by fphjr01 on Aug 17, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, this is one of those games that playoff teams find a way to win, and unfortunately we didn’t do so with our best pitcher on the mound. It wasn’t do or die by any stretch of the imagination, but this was a pretty crucial game as we’re getting on in the season.

by soup du jour on Aug 17, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Just like the game before was a game that defending champs should have won. It’s easy to get caught up in the doom and gloom in the immediate aftermath of a bad loss. Top that onto being 6 back with 45 to play and it can get downright depressing. 45 games, however, is still plenty of time to make a move and we still have two more series against the Phills. Just ask the Mets how easy it is to blow seemingly comfy leads. Not to mention the fact that we are only 3.5 out fo the WC, should it become neccesary to focus all efforts there.

"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."

by bravos1984 on Aug 17, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely....

great way to look at it, and I agree 100%. It’s nice to hear a positive voice in the valley of doom. Sure, it’s easy to be upbeat and confident when your team has just won five in a row. Good teams don’t start getting down on themselves after losing a series, and their fans shouldn’t either. There’s still a lot of ball to be played, and I say GO BRAVES!

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Aug 17, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doom and gloom, but I look at this series as sort of a litmus test, and it didn’t come out the way I had hoped.

by soup du jour on Aug 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your sentiment

But I think the Braves should simply focus their efforts on themselves, and not what everyone else is doing for playoff contention. This is one notion that I understand people doing, but am not a big fan of myself. The Braves can’t control what the Marlins, Rockies, Giants, and Cubs/Brewers/Cardinals do, so I don’t see any point in bothering with the W-L columns, and who is playing who, and who to root for, etc. Just win ball games, and sort things out in the end of the season.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Aug 17, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by HEYJUDE on Aug 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We needed this series.

We blew two perfectly winnable games. That Soriano was called upon with a balky shoulder upsets me a lot.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blaming Soriano

or anyone else in the pitching staff for this weekend is, IMO, the wrong way to go. Our pitching staff held the NL-best offense to 3, 3, and 4 runs. Our offense scored 2, 4, and 1 run, and the 4 run game was aided by a complete defensive meltdown that lead to 2 runs. Offense remains the problem with this team.

Assuming you want to still call out the pitching / pitching decisions, who else are we going to call? Players pitch through pain all the time, and you never hear about it unless the results are bad. Soriano isn’t going to say “yeah, I can’t go tonight, send in Medlen.”

by fphjr01 on Aug 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not blaming him for giving up the homer.

I’m blaming him for not saying he couldn’t go and then complaining that his shoulder hurt. Gonzalez said he was more than ready to go two innings.

My first argument against socialized healthcare? Yunel Escobar's grill.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s wrong with his shoulder? Hadn’t heard that.

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Aug 17, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add that our "best" pitcher

did not have his best game. He has always been prone to the long ball, and the big inning.

by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 17, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, this is one of those games that playoff teams find a way to win,

THIS. THIS and THIS.

Until we find a way to not let gifts of walks and men on base be wasted, we’ll never be a serious threat as a contender in the post season. Even if we make it, play like last night will mean an early departure.

by NCChopper on Aug 17, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree, as I said in the game thread last night. They tried to give us the game with the free bases, but we would not bite!
Our leaving runners on base, has been one of our biggest problems this year, imo!

Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.

by HEYJUDE on Aug 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Braves still managed to strand a whopping 11 runners on base;

And that means the opposing pitcher did not have his best stuff (in spite of what ESPN thinks) – and yet, we still fail. Ugh. After going 0-8 the first game too.

Hard game to watch, and it was made worse by the announcers that had to be endured and the late start and ending time.

I’m on board with the finding another spot for BMac in the order. It’s rare anymore he does anything but swing for homers and with Chipper not hitting his stride until late this year, I think he may be feeling more pressure to produce BIG instead of just getting steady hits and let the RBIs come.

Hopefully today’s game will help take the taste of this series out of our mouths. Hell, simply getting the Phillies out of our ballpark improves the atmosphere alone.

by NCChopper on Aug 17, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

The mute button...

is my best friend when watching ESPN.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Aug 17, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't let Howard beat us, again

Why do we pitch to this guy, how many home runs does it take before we pitch around?

by Fortune favors the brave(s) on Aug 17, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Just gotta put this series behind us. If you want to look at it positively, we have beat the Phillies 8 games out of 12.

by eaheckman10 on Aug 17, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Get em next time, we play them again soon, gotta handle the six games vs. the Marlins first.

Hopefully we fare a little better against Scherzer this time.

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Aug 17, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point about the Fish. We go nowhere as long as they keep winning.

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Aug 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The sad part is,

even if we win 4 of 6 from the Fish, we only gain 2 games on them. So, we either need to sweep them (or come close) or ask for some help. It’s going to be tough, but from what we’ve seen the past 2 seasons, very possible.

Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.

by Jareth Cutestory on Aug 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Aug 17, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put this in the game-thread last night, but since you bring the question up again, I will repost it here. I am a fan of this lineup:

Church
KJ
Chipper
LaRoche
Yunel
Heap
McLouth
Anderson

I think Infante should be stricly used as a PH/Give-a-guy-the-day-off kind of player along with Prado. Infante could be the 4th OF/SS and Prado can be the 1st/2nd/3rd backup.

Prado’s hot streak is coming to an end and Infante is not, nor has he ever been an every day player.

I am baffled as to why Cox would start him over KJ at 2B. I think KJ has shown that he has his mojo back. Prado was the hot hand and we went with that. Now KJ is the hot hand and we need to go with him.

KJ’s line since coming back from injury on July 23: .333 .419 .815 1.234

This is 9 hits in 27 ABs with 2 doubles, 1 triple and 3 HRs. He also has 4 walks to 5 Ks.

Prado’s line during his last month: 274 .308 .425 .733

This is 31 hits in 113 ABs and includes 5 doubles, 0 triples, 4 HRs. He has 6 BBs and 14 Ks. This is the regression that some of us have been expecting. It is time for KJ to take his job back.

Also, this is interesting:

000 .857 .000 .857

What is that? That is Greg Norton’s line for his last 7 games. That is right, folks. Norton has reached base in 6 of his last 7 plate appearances. All have been walks.

Since coming back from his injury, this is his line:

.235 .458 .235 .694

During this time, he has had 4 hits in 17 ABs, with 7 walks and only 5 Ks. I think most of you can stop hating on him now.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 17, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

229 .250 .371 .621

^ Prado’s last 10 games. This includes 8 hits in 35 ABs with 2 doubles, 1 HR, 1 BB and 3 Ks.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves always seem to play on par with the quality of the play by play

by someguy917 on Aug 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL and absolutely right.

by John Holton on Aug 17, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the debate will break out again,

but it’s games like this that causes me to lean to the “bringing JayHey up this year” camp. We need a spark. We need someone that can BE a threat. Now, obviously he won’t hit a slew of homers right when he comes up. But he is formidable and can be a contributor. Just by reading about his performance, interviews, etc., he doesn’t seem like a guy that will be terribly phased by the fact that he’s in the bigs. I think he will relish the opportunity.

I know what the opposition will say to this suggestion, and what Frank Wren has said, and I totally see that side of the coin. But we need to do SOMETHING to breathe some life into this squad, because if playing the #1 team in the East with a chance to gain ground doesn’t do it, I’m not sure what will.

And, I’m also baffled as to why Cox doesn’t make Ross a personal catcher of one of our starters (KK, maybe?). Why isn’t KJ getting any starts? Yes, we’re all glad O is back, but he is NOT an everyday, starting player. He is a super-sub, and nothing more. That’s not a knock. Most clubs would KILL to have a utility man like we have. But KJ is our guy, and should be playing more.

Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.

by Jareth Cutestory on Aug 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I was all for Heyward being promoted myself last week but based on what I saw at the MS Braves games Friday and Saturday night I am no longer so sure it would be good for him or the organization. He had a hot hand starting out at AA but he looked a little out of sorts in most of his at bats this weekend. Although I will say that I was extremely impressed with his defense, speed, and the cannon he has attached to his left shoulder.

by Mountngrown on Aug 17, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough loss, looks as if Nasty Nate is out until thurs at least. Might go on the 15DL (as Omar Minaya calls it)

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Aug 17, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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