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A look at the Braves one-for-one trades

I thought it would be a good day to take a look at the two one-for-one trades that the Atlanta Braves have made in the past month. The first being the trade of hometown star Jeff Francoeur to the rival New York Mets for Ryan Church, and the second being the re-aquisition of first baseman Adam LaRoche for the unpopular Casey Kotchman.

I guess the first question should be, "has anyone really missed Jeff Francoeur?" I don't think we've missed him on the diamond, maybe the clubhouse, but that was becoming questionable. Here is a comparison of Francoeur's stats with the Mets, and Ryan Church's stats with the Braves.


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Jeff Francoeur 26 100 10 30 3 0 4 19 3 12 0 2 .300 .330 .450


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Ryan Church 19 54 12 15 3 0 2 9 11 9 0 0 .278 .400 .444


In true Francoeur form he has played more games -- that's what he does, he's always in the lineup for better or worse. At first glance you may be surprised to see Frenchy hitting .300, I was. Jeff hitting .300 for any month-long stretch is pretty amazing, and he's doing it while driving in runs, but that's where his value stops. When we look at OPS (not listed above), we see that Church has a higher OPS than Francoeur, .844 to .780. That's a pretty big disparity, and most all of it can be accounted for in the getting-on-base department. Church also doesn't lose many points in the slugging department.

Church is certainly more of a patient hitter, we all knew that. Francoeur has 1 unintentional walk with the Mets (that's one natural walk in a month), and aside from the 4 homeruns, he's been mainly a singles hitter. The added RBI's can be attributed to him spending most of his time in New York hitting 4th and 5th in a better position to drive in runs than he was in Atlanta. Even then, this trade still looks like a wash in terms of real offensive production. Church has been what we needed him to be -- a more rounded offensive option in right field -- and Francoeur has given the Mets what they perceive is more power.

Here is the second of our recent one-for-one trades, and a comparison of Kotchman's stats with the Red Sox and LaRoche's stats with the Braves.


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Casey Kotchman 4 9 2 1 0 0 1 2 1 5 0 0 .111 .200 .444


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Adam LaRoche 9 32 5 11 1 0 1 4 6 10 0 0 .344 .436 .469


Obviously this trade has worked out better than we could have ever imagined so far. Adam LaRoche has been hitting mainly in the bottom third of the batting order, but he's hitting like he should be in the middle of the order. Casey Kotchman has not gotten into many games, and it will likely be a shock and require a period of adjustment for him to go from a starting role to a pinch-hitting role. Thus this comparison is likely unfarily biased. Still, LaRoche has done better than Kotchman was likely capable of doing (even with the small sample size).

Taken as a whole, the two trades netted us upgrades in right and at first base. We acquired guys who are going to give us more total offense than the guys we gave up. We also got two guys who will give us more financial flexibility and positional flexibility this off-season.

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With Francoeur: 41-44
Without Francoeur: 17-10

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Aug 10, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think just because the Mets perceive Francoeur as having more power, doesn’t mean the trade is a wash. From the few highlights I’ve seen Francoeur has been pretty bad defensively (besides the arm) whereas church has been a plus. He’s getting on base a lot more and doing what we need more than francoeur did. So even though talent wise you could call it a wash, we got what we needed while getting rid of what we didn’t, i’ll call that a win

by McCann's the Man on Aug 10, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Church’s obp is 70 points higher. That is a huge jump. maybe Francouer is showing more power than church but if he is going to get on base that much more then I will take Church in a heartbeat.

by blumad on Aug 10, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is

FYF’s really not showing that much more power.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Aug 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, FYF's showing less power

FYF’s iso is less than Church’s. FYF’s avg is over 20 points higher than Church’s which accounts for the higher slg, but in almost twice as many ABs, FYF has 7 extra base hits, while Church has 5.

by OldDutchPots on Aug 10, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ya go.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Aug 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the re-aquisition of first baseman Adam LaRoche for the unpopular Casey Kotchman.

I didn’t think Kotchman was unpopular and he was hitting well when he left. No doubt that LaRoche is the better hitter tho. It has amazed me that Francouer’s been doing as well as he’s done,someone must be lighting a fire under his ass, either that or they’re holding his hand. I noticed that when he was here,if Bobby took him aside and coached him privately he did well for a few days, I don’t know if Pendleton helped him much after he went to Jaramillo for help in the off-season. I know Chipper tried to help him,but probably wasn’t nice enough to him.LOL

by jimmontg on Aug 10, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually kotchman was pretty unpopular in the locker room

by McCann's the Man on Aug 10, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn’t heard that. Why was Kotchman unpopular? Thanks

by coltzfan on Aug 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really feel like searching the internet for articles but he and anderson were kind of loners, they really only hung out the two of them and didn’t interact with the other braves. The chemistry of this team was crap basically. IIRC Rosenthal did a bit on this topic right around the deadline

by McCann's the Man on Aug 10, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

source please.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Aug 10, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly. An unwillingness to sign autographs doesn’t neccesarily make you a douche in the clubhouse.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Aug 11, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Francoeur

it’s probably random variance.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Aug 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still a .300 avg. and 4 HR’s 19 rbi’s in one month and he’s got his obp up over .300 too,LOL that’s freaking the best he’s done in 2 freaking years, your right it must be a random freaking fluctuation.

by jimmontg on Aug 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, generally when someone is batting .300, their obp will be over .300 too. If he keeps it up for the rest of the year, fine, it wasn’t random, but are you willing to bet on that? Im sure as hell not.

by Zeus12888 on Aug 10, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

in the last 2.5 years, FYF has had three months with a higher OPS, three months with 4+ HR, three months with 19+ RBI, four months with a higher OBP, three months with a higher SLG, and has still managed to post miserable numbers for those seasons holistically.

But don’t worry about being right, or anything.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Aug 10, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s turned the corner!!!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 11, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the beauty of lower expectations...

that really isn’t a good month at the plate, but for our boy French, it looks that way. He must have read his Calvin and Hobbes—“I find my life is a lot easier the lower I keep everyone’s expectations.”

by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 11, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing with the RBI comparison is bogus though – Frenchy is hitting 4th or 5th in the Mets lineup, so of course he’ll have more RBIs.

I feel like had Church hit 4th or 5th for us, he would as well.

by Zeus12888 on Aug 10, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

by NCChopper on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They’ve both been great moves for the Braves. I also think the chemistry is alot better on the team now, especially with Laroche back. I feel like when Frenchy left we lost a lot of bad mojo.

by pancanbra on Aug 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Frank Wren is a genius

for getting a live major leaguer for Whiff Fancoeur. I would have taken a box of those nasty Pumpkin Seeds from David for him. To get someone who is actually contributing is almost criminal. As far as the four HR’s, maybe Whiff is the Mets’ new Dave Kingman.

by ClaudellWashington on Aug 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really in regards to the trades...but

Heyward tripled in his first AB and Freeman singled him in on the next pitch.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Freeman’s really struggling lately. He was 2 for hist last 24 coming into the game. Hopefully he’ll turn it around soon.

by Bronn on Aug 10, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Yeah, I noticed his average and power numbers had dipped a bit, but he’s not even 20 yet. How many 19 year olde are in double A? Not many. He should finish out this year at Mississippi, head for the AZ fall league and then prepare for next season.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It’s possible that AA pitchers have found ways to adjust to him. He probably needs time to get situated and to figure out what the pitchers are exploiting in his swing/approach.

Then again, it could just be noise. Either way, I’m confident he’ll work it out because his approach as a hitter is really refined. Not as refined as YKW, but he’s still a very natural hitter. He’ll be fine.

by Bronn on Aug 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YKW?

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean the Beast Man Warrior Child Prodigy that is Jason Heyward?

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he who shall not be named….

"A Tar Heel Born and a Tar Heel bred, and when i die ill be a Tar Heel dead."

by mad_dog_maddux on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Hicks’ dorky ass got picked off 1B like 2 pitches before he tripled..

- I miss Spooneybarger :(

by Mighty Healthy on Aug 10, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francoeur has a higher BA, more RBI, more HR, and OMG have you seen his arm?! so I can only assume that means he’s a much better player than Ryan Church.

by VictorW on Aug 10, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot women are Frenchy crazy!!!

Baseball is my life

by That a boy on Aug 10, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, all you gotta look at is with Francoeur we were 41-44. Without him, we’re 17-10.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francoeur is the John Cena of baseball.

by Lennox on Aug 10, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but for a few short days in 2008

ticket sales in Mississippi were off the charts

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Aug 10, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Saw that graph on the vivid website (sorry but gondeee would ban me if I gave the link) only it had different “labels”…

You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis

by scstrato on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not smart women.

by NCChopper on Aug 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

demote him!

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by mvhsbball on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

cut him…he is done.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 11, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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