Atlanta Braves trade Josh Anderson to Tigers
by gondeee on Mar 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT
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Hot off the presses, here's the deal:
The Atlanta Braves and Detroit Tigers announced a two-player trade today, as the Braves acquired right-handed pitcher Rudy Darrow in exchange for outfielder Josh Anderson. Darrow will be assigned to Atlanta's Double-A Mississippi affiliate.
Darrow, 25, is entering his fourth professional season. He has allowed just one home run and has limited opponents to a .220 batting average, with 101 strikeouts and just 37 walks in 103.2 innings over the last three seasons.
This certainly opens the door for Jordan Schafer. This reminds me a lot of the Tyler Yates for Todd Redmond trade at the end of spring last year.
Here is what John Sickels said about him when he ranked him 11th in the Tigers' system this year:
11) Rudy Darrow, RHP, Grade C+: Extreme ground ball tendency along with decent strikeout rate, looks like a nice middle reliever.
Not a bad pickup for a guy who was blocking one of our top prospects.
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Seems like a decent reliever. Useful and better than nothing.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by beeniez on Mar 30, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If this turns out half as well as the last time we traded with the Tigers, I’ll be happy.
"Break's over"
by VegasAces on Mar 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wish that if they were going for a reliever of sorts that they would have gotten a lefty
by drumzalicious on Mar 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the Tigers will do with him…I guess fourth outfielder? Granderson and Ordonez are pretty much locked in for CF and RF (I would think)…and Guillen was playing LF the other day for them (Not sure if he is penciled in there for the rest of the season or if that was just a ST thing)…
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
I think they needed him. Brandon Inge can’t play every position every day like he was practically forced to do at times last year, and with JAnderson on the roster, that means he won’t have to play in the outfield when he’s too busy with either catching or third.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was sorta under the impression that Guillen might be going to LF and Inge would be taking 3B again…that’s why I threw him in as a 4th outfielder…for some reason, I had a nagging thought that they had a better 4th of tho…I just havent bothered to do the 20 secs of research to prove myself wrong
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen
No, I also follow the Tigers, they will play guillen at third or something. Their original plan at the beginning of last season was to move guillen from his usual position SS to firstbasemen due to his decreasing range (and the fact that they traded with the Braves for Edgar Renteria). That didn’t work out when Miguel Cabrera played terrible defense, forcing Detroit to move him to first and Guillen to third. That being said, i still don’t understand the trade; the Tigers are deep enough in the outfield. Maybe they want major league caliber youth, but I think the Braves got the most possible out of the Josh Anderson situation.
As for Inge, the Tigers gave up on him as nothing but a fielding commodity due to his always poor .220 batting average.
smurf
by angrysmurf on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Was Dumb
Disregard the post ‘Guillen’. Apparantly i’ve been living under a rock the past offseason when it comes to the Tigers.
smurf
by angrysmurf on Apr 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
odd trade..
by the way, it seems like a very strange trade for the tigers who already have guillen, thames, granderson, sheffield, and maggs. oh well, life will go on without josh anderson. color me excited.
by ryan c on Mar 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No more Shef.
He was released today.
by BeantownVol on Mar 31, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"blocking"?
Anderson was blocking no one, we could have easily kept him on the roster as a backup OFer/pinch runner where he would have helped the team.
Dealing him for a 25 year old minor league reliever who pitched a dozen innings at AA?
Bad deal.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, man...
Anderson has a marginal VORP at best. This is a good deal.
Oh, Bobby.
by sdp on Mar 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A marginal VORP off the bench
Is going to help the team more than a 25 year old coming out of the bullpen in AA.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Jones
Matt Diaz
^^ They are why we didnt need Anderson
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Mar 30, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right here...
… the Braves clearly didn’t want to have Anderson as their starter or on their bench given other options, and would have likely lost him on waivers. So they turned him into a good looking arm. This is a good deal.
Oh, Bobby.
by sdp on Mar 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither of whom can play CF
Try again.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we have Blanco in AAA if things go poorly for Schafer. I’m hesitant about the deal because I’d rather have Schafer get some seasoning in AAA (and have Blanco start CF in the majors), not because we’re trading Anderson. Also, I don’t think you can make such a declaration of a bad deal right now because you haven’t seen them work in ST.
by soup du jour on Mar 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have too many CFs — why would we trade for another one?
If the other option was losing him to waivers and getting nothing, then this was a good deal
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not completely sold...
On B. JOnes
by Cammando2317 on Mar 31, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh. Shhhhhh, don’t tell bigjoe.
best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)
by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imbecile. Brandon Jones could outproduce Ryan Ludwick if given enough playing time.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
by bigjoe on Mar 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we got a new Gryboski/Paronto…GBS 3.0
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ground Ball Gryboski…dude was sick
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always lol’d when I saw the “rally twins” definition on Braves Journal. “Ray King & Gryboski: King brought into to face lefties, and walking two guys, and Gryboski brought into get the double play but only getting the ‘double’ part right”
And as often as Paronto was touted to be this groundball specialist, I can’t remember him ever inducing one. All I remember is him retaliation-beaning Chris Young (the pitcher), and then allowing him to score in a tight game.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no room for him on the bench. Diaz, Prado, Infante, Ross, Norton – that’s five bench spots. I highly doubt they would carry a sixth bench player for only pinch running. Diaz and Norton back up the corner outfield spots and Infante is the back up center fielder.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by beeniez on Mar 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude are you JA's cousin or something?
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm just a person who understands baseball.
Do you really fail to grasp how trading a solid ML backup OFer for a 25 year old career middle reliever who has pitched a dozen inning at AA is a bad deal?
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when that "solid ML backup OFer"...
… doesn’t fit into your long-term plans.
Oh, Bobby.
by sdp on Mar 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re trading in a vacuum it’s a bad deal. If you’ve got a guy you don’t have room for and need to get something for him or lose him for nothing, it’s a pretty good deal.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should have room
Like I said, Anderson to the Bench, Blanco in AAA, and we’re pretty well protected in case Schafer gets hurt, or if he has trouble adjusting to the ML game and needs to be sent down to work on a few things.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be that the Braves value Blanco over Anderson. In fact, this trade seems to cement that.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beats the crap outta getting nothing for him.
Sickels has this guy at #11 for the Tigers organization. Yeah, he’s a bit old, but this is someone who could easily contribute out of our pen this year, and could be a key reliever for us for several years to come. This guy is a GB machine.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
I see no reason for Anderson not to have made the team as a backup (if Schafer is indeed considered to be ready), thus giving us great OF depth between ML and AAA.
I consider that much more valuable than a guy pitching the 6th in AA.
Heck, just go a couple of weeks into the season and someone might get desperate for some OF help thanks to an injury and then you can swing Anderson or Blanco for a bigger reward.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t fit. Anderson would take six spots. The Braves are not going to utilize six bench spots.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by beeniez on Mar 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can utilize 6 bench spots
Especially now that we’ve supposedly got all these inning eating starters and won’t even need our 5th starter until we’re a couple of weeks into the season.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that would be a good strategy – we would barely use him. That 12th pitcher would be a lot more useful and be utilized a lot more – especially if we carry two LOOGYs. The only thing Anderson brings to bench would be speed and that’s not a Cox asset.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by beeniez on Mar 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carrying 8 relievers is overkill
Which is what we’d have to be doing not to have a spot for an extra OFer on the bench.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the beginning of the year
extra relievers are never overkill. Even with the longer spring training this year, you still don’t want to stretch your starters out the first 2-4 times through the rotation. Kawakami doesn’t have a ton of innings under his belt yet, and Vazquez has even fewer.
So even if they dominate their first starts, they might only be good for 5-6 innings. That’s potentially costing you 3 relief pitchers on a day when your starting pitching was fine. If anyone gets shelled in the second inning, you end up bringing in Carlyle and perhaps using 5 relief pitchers to get through 7+ innings. Early in the year, when we’re not sure if Soriano or Moylan can go back-to-back, that extra bullpen arm is a godsend.
by Bronn on Mar 30, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Are you saying that Vazquez doesn’t have many innings this spring?
by acie4mvp on Mar 30, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d imagine that he forgot about the WBC. Pretty sure he’s got the most on the team if you factor those in.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im thinking he forgot as well cause he came back from that pitching 6 innings. and with KK the way he pitched today he could have gone another two innings cause he was only around 60 -70 pitches going into the 7th inning
by drumzalicious on Mar 31, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed I did
Well, not exactly forgot. For some reason I thought Vazquez was from Venezuela, and I peeked a couple of box scores for team Venezuela and didn’t see him in there, so I figured he was barely used.
by Bronn on Mar 31, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only twenty-five, and has pitched a mere three professional seasons:
It is far too early to label Darrow a “career minor-leaguer”. Moreover, with one home-run allowed in those three professional seasons, I’d say he is likely to possess much more post-2009 utility than Anderson would have held for Atlanta; as for 2009 itself – with Schafer ascendant and Blanco having exhibited competent play at the major-league level – the benefits of having Anderson on the 25-(or even 40-)man roster were incredibly marginal considering Anderson’s age, skill-set, and likely production.
by jpx7 on Mar 31, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ, you’re a negative fuck.
by bravesfan91 on Mar 31, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YESSS
FINALLY
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Mar 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am shocked
but not surprised…if that makes sense.
Just out of curiosity, why does Detroit keep making deals with us??? LOL.
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question...
…have they ever really beaten us in a trade?
by sddbaker on Mar 30, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a better question:
have they ever broken even in a trade with us?
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has everyone forgotten McBride for Ledezma? Or the Farnsworth/Miner deal?
"Ohhhh shit"-Bobby Cox
by 10-4 on Mar 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
because I only remember what I want to.
:)
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be off on this 10-4, so I apologize if I missed the scarcasm or something.
The McBride/Ledezma deal was probably a wash for either side…..McBride didn’t do anything for them, vice versus for us..
The Farnsworth/Miner deal I think is also a wash. Miner did well the next season after they acquired him, but Farnsworth seemingly kept the bullpen together for the half season he was here with Bob Wickman blowing everything up. Roman Colon isn’t even with the organization, and Miner is probably another version of a “Todd Redmond/James Parr” in our organization now….no real loss.
by jwrocks on Mar 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’d argue that it’s a wash, cause we got our value out of Farnsworth, but Miner has developed into an important part of Detroit’s pitching staff. He’s kind of their Buddy Carlyle. So he has some value, but I’d say you’re right, we got fair return.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the announcers during our game with the Olde English D’s the other day said he was looking like their #3 starter.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they said fifth?
bc they were still trying to decide if he would start or relieve…i could be wrong tho
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may have mentioned it at different points during the broadcast, but at the time I heard it one of them said third. Reason I remember is because of how ridiculous of a statement I thought it was. They’re rotation is pretty banged up though.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're prob right
when I heard it, they said he was originally having a terrible spring. Then Leland told him he would def start the season in the pen. After that, he settled down and was lights out, so they reconsidered putting him in the fifth.
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doughnut is right
in fact, miner will lose his rotation spot soon—-he’s only filling in for Jeremy Bonderman
smurf
by angrysmurf on Apr 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, fair return is a better way of putting it.
by jwrocks on Mar 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My main point was that not every trade was a giant raping for the Braves.
"Ohhhh shit"-Bobby Cox
by 10-4 on Mar 31, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Schafer is your starting Center Fielder, ladies & gentlemen.
by Mike Kerns on Mar 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to start thinking of a Schafer fan club…
by tchoup on Mar 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a bunch of fat guys as Schafer’s Chafers.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by beeniez on Mar 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schafers Wafers
In big cookie-like suits…
Oh, Bobby.
by sdp on Mar 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan's Barely Illegals...
He just looks like the type thats gonna get busted with female < 18
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Mar 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking...
Schafer’s Schavers, wheres Sherry at?
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised the Tigers didn't include Porcello in the deal...
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball America had Darrow ranked 14th with the Tigers. Sidearming righty reliever. Apparently started his college career as 125 pound wrestler. So…he’ll be good if a fight breaks out.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless Farnsworth is involved...
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he’ll throw at a guy from time to time, just to show us his skills.
by tchoup on Mar 30, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stocked about getting a guy that had a 75% GB% in 50+ innings last year
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to Mr. Schafer for winning the CF job
"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism,
but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism,
until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism." --Nikita Khrushchev
by jeg on Mar 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
le sigh
And good luck to Josh. He just wasn’t in the cards right now.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Mar 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do me proud, Josh!
Remember all those things I taught you in the cages this spring!
by Sherry Haithcock on Mar 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Theres a Sherry Haithcock gimmick account now?
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
by bigjoe on Mar 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you took some time off from your “data” or watching old tapes of NWO Souled Out from ‘97 you’d know this by now
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh snap
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know why there isnt a Braves/Red Sox thread?
I mean, it’s shitty enough that the game wasn’t on SportSouth or MLBtv, but no updates!?!??!
LAME
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Mar 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s lame are those who don’t bother to actually look around and ignore the fan-created Red Sox/Braves Open thread, and the fact that the Anderson/Tigers trade story was on the mainpage almost 60 minutes prior to a secondary fanpost being created about it.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you kind sir
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Mar 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gondeee was busy at work...
I guess thats more important than us…
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres a fanpost Braves/Redsox thread
by drumzalicious on Mar 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i saved the day, duhh
by McGriff the Crime Dog on Mar 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darrow has only given up one HR in 110.2 IP.
That’s only 0.08 HR/9.
If the long ball is sexy, Rudy Darrow is the Anti-Poon.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his nickname
Cockblock.
Let it be so!
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cockblock nickname happens
… then I might have to reevaluate my take on this deal.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I don’t trust side-armers, hope he’s just a double play specialist. Yes, I know Moylan is sidearm.
by TradeAndruw on Mar 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link. Man, his head really whips at the end.
by gondeee on Mar 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like he will be fun to watch.
5’10’’ Darrow relieves 6’6’’ Hanson. Talk about about a change in plane and release point for the hitters.
by bbxxj on Mar 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be crazy. hopefully he could learn some stuff from moylan since they both pitch with the same mechanics a bit
by drumzalicious on Mar 31, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sure didn't work in the AFL Championship.
Rudy Darrow holds the distinction of blowing the Solar Sox lead in the AFL Championship game, after THK dominated the first five innings. If Wheeler had used Marek and Medlen that day (like how they usually did on days it was Tommy’s turn) they’d have won.
But it’s water under the bridge; and dude’s actually got some nice upside.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy
What does everyone think of this team…http://fanzak.com/fzrants/My_Fantasy_Baseball_Team
by duke9295 on Mar 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of all these outfielders whats going on with
Luis Sumoza
Gorkys Hernandez
Cody Johnson?
by drumzalicious on Mar 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant as far as development. are these guys supposed to be raking this year or are they just going to be filling up roster space?
I mean Gorkys is supposed to be Schafer with less power and more speed. and Sumoza and Johnson are both supposed to be power hitting corner OF types
by drumzalicious on Mar 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorkys is healthy and my pick for the comeback/breakout player in the organization. Sumoza is a big dude and looks like he’s going to be at Rome, at least to start. Cody looked great when I saw him and hopefully will continue to produce well at the Beach.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Gorkys will be playing LF or RF?
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless his D is completely off the charts I don’t know if he has the stick to be valuable in a corner spot.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why are we keeping him?
is it fair to say Schafer > Blanco > Hernandez?
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gorkys projects to be a better all-around player than Blanco when all is said and done. He’s toolsy as hell and I’d imagine that eventually he’ll be trade fodder, but I’m not the source to ask to when it comes prospects. Their MLB data prints have yet to be input into the vast amount of computers I have in my mom’s basement.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d go with Schafer over Hernandez over Blanco. And no, Gorkys will being playing CF in AA. There’s no point in not having him play center right now. If, as so many people suggest, he’s going to be trade fodder, he’ll get more in return as a CF.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From everything I’ve heard Gorkys is awesome in CF, not the greatest arm, but his range is top-notch. From what I’ve heard, and from seeing Schafer’s arm some, I’d go so far as to say that if they ever wind up in the same OF I’d put Gorkys in CF and Schafer in RF, and Heyward in LF… And have the best defensive OF in the league.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyward has an absolute cannon, so I’d still go with him in RF, Schafer in CF and Gorkys in LF, but any way you slice it, that’d be a hell of an OF.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine that next year it will be Heyward in LF with Schafer and Frenchy. thats one heck of a defense. Add that with our IF DEF and we will be stocked. now if we had furcal at 2B instead of KJ . . . THAT would have been a very sick defense.
by drumzalicious on Mar 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if that pans out, I’d move Francoeur to LF and keep Heyward in RF. He’s more athletic and his arm is just as good.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Mar 31, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's saying something.
Although, JF-K isn’t always very accurate with his cannon.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the part where Furcal is a complete waste of talent at the plate.
And Kelly Johnson is one of the better hitters at his position.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sumoza is in Single A? i thought he was higher up than that.
what is K for Cody Johnson mean?
by drumzalicious on Mar 30, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sumoza was playing in low A for Boston, he finished up at Rome for us (as we don’t have an A- club), I guess it’s possible that they’ll start him out in A+ ball.
And K is the thing that Johnson does. A lot.
by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard not to like this move.
I wish Josh well, but he just didn’t hold a candle to Jordan Schafer. And in return we get a promising bullpen arm, something you can never have too much of.
by FineHamAbounds on Mar 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that we got a living, breathing human being for Josh Anderson just tickles me in the right places. The fact that he’s actually a top 15 prospect in the Tigers organization makes it all the better. Him & Kimbrel are gonna unleash some sidearming hell this year.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
by bigjoe on Mar 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Gearrin!
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This dude can hit 94 side-armed. That’s Moylan-esque.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
94 MPH side-armer who is absolutely UNHITTABLE against righties. I mean righties hit like under .150 against this guy in his minor league career. He should be a very useful player within the next year or so.
by KC Ryan on Mar 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Braves are stockpiling some impressive young bullpen arms. Darrow, Kimbrel, Marek, Medlen, Pruneda.
by gondeee on Mar 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that old kook known as FW
really knows what he is doing?
:)
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, fire him.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do we get back?
Dave Dombrowski?
I’ll pass, thanks.
by mburris1 on Mar 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FW: I’ll trade you corky miller’s forgotten jock strap, a half chewed piece of tobacco from wickman, and a cup of tears that Dan Kolb shed for Rick Porcello.
DD: If it is in a dixie cup, you got a deal my friend.
by jwrocks on Mar 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
Dombrowski has been a major league GM for many years. He’s put together some impressive teams. The fact that you’re underestimating him so badly shows that you know nothing about baseball. Dombrowski would—at the very least—get FW to put the tears in a fancy Martini glass.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Mar 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be kind of funny if next year they had all these guys in our bullpen and traded Bennett, Boyer, Carlye, Acosta and the rest of the bunch. Now if only we could get a beast of a lefty to go in our bullpen
by drumzalicious on Mar 31, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so.....
does schafer lead off?
my lineup (if schafer proves he can get on base at a .350+ clip)
everyday, none of this platoon lineup crap….
schafer
escobar
chipper
mccann
anderson/diaz
kj
francoeur
kotchman
on days that mccan sits, move everyone up and insert ross 4th. i say, ya have to let the kid at least start the year leading off. he has earned it. if he doesnt do well, then change it up.
by ryan c on Mar 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Backup catcher hitting cleanup? Someone’s impressed by Ross’ spring.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm based on how braves have transition rookies into the lineup (AKA Furcal) was down in at the 7/8th spot than move him once he feels comfortable and shows to handle the leadoff spot. It would be a surprise to see Schafer in the leadoff spot from the get go but who knows ….
by Hanson-Ace on Mar 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right on with the lineup spot
If he holds his own until mid may they will move him up and you will see Ryan C’s rosterbation. Until then escobar will lead off.
by Charmin519 on Mar 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you would have to move FYF and Kotchman up, but i don’t really know where. FYF 5th and Kotchman…where?
by acie4mvp on Mar 30, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schafer leads off against righties, KJ leads off against lefties.
Bobby has finally got in his head that KJ doesn’t really drop off against LHP.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really would prefer Frenchy hit higher in the lineup.
1. Schafer
2. Escobar
3. G. Anderson
4. Chipper
5. McCann
6. Frenchy
7. Kotchman
8. Johnson
I put G. Anderson in the #3 hole because it gives more separation between the lefties and the righties in the lineup towards the bottom. Yea i know he was mainly the Angels’ Cleanup hitter before Tex got there but i think he would fit nicely with the #3 spot and having Chipper bat behind him.
by drumzalicious on Mar 31, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Why in heavens would you elevate Francoeur in the Atlanta lineup, whilst moving Johnson to the nadir? Talk about wasting the team’s PA: there is no way Francoeur should receive a higher percentage of the team’s aggregate plate-appearances than Johnson, considering how much more productive Johnson is likely to be with those PA.
The issue with Anderson is likewise: frittering a greater percentage of team PA away through the elevation of inferior hitters in the lineup – especially for the marginal gain of RH-LH alternation – is simply not efficacious lineup construction (presupposing that one’s goal is to score more runs, not produce attractive symmetries).
by jpx7 on Mar 31, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moving FYF/GA up in the lineup = more outs = bad idea
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 31, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If everone moves up a spot
then wouldn’t anderson/diaz be in the four hole? Otherwise, why move anyone up a spot if you are putting Ross in at the four?
by TheSportsIdiot on Mar 31, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it wasn't just me
That thought Schafer would be the opening day center fielder for the Braves and not J. Anderson. Jordan has played his butt off this and Pendleton already made it clear that he’s a very hard worker. And what makes this deal even better (besides opening the door for Schafer), is the fact that we get a useful reliever in return.
by ChipperTeixeira89 on Mar 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that he’s such a hard worker and has great work ethics (and is a self proclaimed gym rat) gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that he’ll be just fine. If he can improve on his L/R splits he’ll be quite a good ML ballplayer.
by soup du jour on Mar 30, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to say..............
That won’t be the last trade we see Detroit make this year. If Chrysler closes down you will see some creative trades.
by Charmin519 on Mar 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers are probably fire sale candidate numbero uno.
And the economy has effed Michigan a lot more than other parts of the country. The economy was horrible there 2 years before it went bad everywhere else.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the Mayor of De-troit, bitch. lol. A Chappelle's show skit that never got made.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Mar 31, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to consider…Mike Iltich owns the Red Wings as well as the Tigers. And the Red Wings are about to start raking in some playoff revenue. Not that anyone watches the NHL, but still
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
by bigjoe on Mar 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People still go to the games, though.
And in the North (particularly the Upper Midwest) they actually do watch it. Minnesota Wild games are well attended, and the team is well supported in general.
The NHL made a huge mistake in both the expansion south of the Mason-Dixon line and with the lockout. Overextension + Driving away ALL the marginal fans by canceling a season. All reasons why Gary Bettman is the WORST commissioner of any professional sports league. We bash Bud Selig, and he has done some boneheaded things (All-Star game tie is still the funniest), but Bettman may have killed the NHL, which should be more appreciated, it’s fast-paced and violent. Right up America’s alley, with proper management. That is definitely NOT what happened.
They need to reduce it to an 18 team league and move forward from there. It’s the only way. Florida, Phoenix, Raleigh? These are not “hockey cities,” and likely never will be.
/OT Rant.
by mburris1 on Mar 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a marginal fan. And I have to say the product post-lockout is so much better than pre-lockout, it was worth the year of no hockey.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To some, yes.
But most of the marginal fan base was completely turned off, both by the acrimony of the players v. owners, and the fact that they were no longer emotionally tied to their teams. It was easier to invest more in Baseball/Football/Jai-lai than it was to reinvest in a league that had essentially committed suicide.
Of course, there are exceptions to the rule. I am a marginal fan of the Penguins (loved Lemieux as a kid), and I still follow them on occasion. I also agree that the product is a lot better, more open, more skating, more scoring, but that isn’t good enough if no one wants to tune in. When ESPN bailed on them, that was it. No one is buying Versus just to watch their team 4 or 5 times a year, maximum.
Hockey has always been a nitche sport, and taking it out of its nitche for a full season was a terrible idea, even if it did produce a salary cap that the owners so desperately needed (unlike baseball owners, for the most part). It killed any chance of the nitche expanding, and, in fact, shrank it significantly.
Look what you’ve done, you got me all worked up. And over hockey, no less…
by mburris1 on Mar 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blackhawks are still quite successful up here in Chicago
However, you are correct that Chicago’s emerging Jai-lai market has – over the past couple of years – begun to capitalize on the NHL’s momentary lull in seasonal operation.
by jpx7 on Mar 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said previously,
the Upper Midwest and Canada are the exceptions. South of Pittsburgh, though, not so much.
Would you rather watch the Panthers or the Dolphins/Bucs if you’re a Florida sports fan? The Cardinals v. the Coyotes? I think that is pretty clearly not a contest, especially now that the Cardinals aren’t the black hole of talent they used to be.
It’s just mind boggling that the NHL continues to ignore markets that desperately want their product (Winnipeg), and pumps resources into saving markets that clearly aren’t interested (Phoenix). Not that the NHL is bad, I enjoy it, but it’s hard to appreciate Bettman’s strategy when it clearly isn’t working south of the Mason-Dixon line.
by mburris1 on Mar 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got free $98 seats thanks to the the Thrashers earlier this month.
The game was going to be on Versus and they wanted to have as many people down front and center as possible. Goes to show how much they’re drawing… So I sat 20 rows back on one of the blue lines, and had a blast. I’ve still yet to have even a so-so experience in all the games I’ve gone to at Philips (a dozen or so Hawks games, who’ve only lost once before my eyes, by the way— including a couple wins last year in the playoffs, if they had flown me up to Beantown, I’m confident the Celtics wouldn’t be champs)…. Where was I? Oh yeah…
But really I just went to see Ovechkin.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
by timmy3 on Mar 31, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm from Tampa and your right about hockey here
I’ve been to a few games and it’s empty every time. In fact the only reason I’ve ever gone was free tickets for a V.I.P. room with freeze booze and food. The ticket prices are too pricey for a team that can’t fill the house no matter what’s going on. The team basically makes it revenue off business boxes because of the quick and easy access from downtown.
by Charmin519 on Apr 4, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man
im an Islander fan, lets not even get started on the hockey talk. Never thought it would have come to this. KC here we come
by bravesguy311 on Mar 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Tiger's fan here . . .
Just got pointed to this thread by Ian over at Bless You Boys. Noticed you guys talking about the glut of OF for the Tiges this year. It appears that way, but one question mark for us has been a backup center fielder. Both Marcus Thames and Jeff Larish (if neither is traded, which this trade makes me wonder) seem to be in competition for the corner outfield/1B position. However, we’re left with a whole at backup CF. Inge is slated for everyday 3B this year, which means he’ll play 140 games there if he’s healthy. So he’s not a feasible backup this year. It also seems that this kid has some speed and a left handed bat, which are both things the Tiges need.
Bottom line, I really think that this puts Dombrowski in position to trade either Larish or Thames, but we’ll just have to wait and see how it goes.
by TennesseeYooper on Mar 30, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info!
best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)
by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry.....
should have said 8th. otherwise, the beginning of that statement doesnt make sense.
by ryan c on Mar 30, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont want to be a dick
but you really should have used the reply button
by Doghnut on Mar 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wouldn’t have posted my comment if you had…
by TheSportsIdiot on Mar 31, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did use the reply button....
but it didnt work. dont worry, you werent a dick, just a little unnecessary (kinda like the grammar police that visit here now again).
on a brighter note, the good news keeps rolling today. chipper 3-year extension close.
by ryan c on Mar 30, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my dog ate my homework
Penis
by justincredubil02 on Mar 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we try to build a bullpen thats already built Anderson was a legit leader for the braves and help out Frenchie
by ATL SPORTS GUY on Mar 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Escobar and KJ are both idea #2 hitters
If Schafer can maintain his good OBP, the order I’d use would work like this:
Schafer
KJ
Chipper
McCann
Frenchy (if he can stay on the Chipper Plan)
Escobar
Anderson
Kotchman
It gives you a lot of flexibility for when McCann’s got an off-day or when Chipper’s oblique/quad/knee/hammy is acting up, and you can slide Anderson into the #4 slot, Escobar to #2, and KJ to #3. And hell, if Frenchy’s still hitting like Chipper told him to, he could hit anywhere in that lineup too.
by FineHamAbounds on Mar 31, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's just nice to have a base-stealer leading off...
I like kelly in the 7 hole. He seems to hit better lower in the order and strikes out too much for the top. I wish Yunel was a better base stealer, then he’d be a perfect number 2 guy. So I’d go:
1. Schafer
2. Yunel
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Kotchman
6. Frenchy
7. KJ
8. Whoever’s playing RF
Boy we have a lot of lefties…
tim spooneybarger ftw
by duckylummox on Mar 31, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d be stunned if Schafer hits leadoff, that’s a lot of pressure. Prolly be Escobar and KJ, hopefully in that order.
by TradeAndruw on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone point out that Anderson is out of options and what that meant in this deal?
by TheSportsIdiot on Mar 31, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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