Ryan Church DFA'ed by Braves
by gondeee on Dec 8, 2009 1:08 PM EST
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Outfielder Ryan Church was designated for assignment by the Braves on Tuesday. In all likelihood this is a move to make room for Rafael Soriano on the 40-man roster. Church was likely not going to be tendered a contract later this month anyway, this way they may get something in return for him as they have 10-days to trade him or release him. Church stands to make several million more than the minimum next year through arbitration, and that's several million more than the Braves probably want to pay him
If they release him, then that ends the trade lineage of Jeff Francoeur. I said when we got Church, that he was a guy we could release whenever we wanted to, whereas Francoeur was not.
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As long as Jeff remains the Mets’ everyday RF, that’s a trade that will keep on giving for the Braves.
I would like to see the Mets trade Jeff to the Royals and let him go over there and be a 10 time all-star. That way he can shine and we don’t have to worry about him killing us every time we play the mets
I’d prefer he just get DFAd and not picked up by anyone…that way, he can talk about how good Hanson looks in pinstripes all he wants, because deep down inside he will be thinking “Gosh, I wish I could wear ANY uniform right now…”
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
YES
Jeff’s a tool. Fellow Braves fans, you are aware that you do not have to have this ridiculous desire to see Jeff succeed? It does not make you a bad person.
Your Robert Fick
albino avatar is horrifying. Glad you were easy to persuade on the FYF breakup. Now, the rest of you follow in step.
well
thats a couple million off the books.
In Frank Wren I trust.
by mvhsbball on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why was it that we couldn’t release Francoeur but could trade him for a guy that we could turn around and release?
You can’t just release the one-time face of the franchise. If you trade for another guy, you can at least turn around and say the new guy didn’t work out like we thought he would. And besides, most people in Atlanta don’t have the foggiest who Ryan Church is.
jeff francouer? face of the franchise?
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for aboot 5 minutes.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 8, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s to hoping they can get something for him in lieu of outright releasing him…
HansonManCrush
by HansonManCrush on Dec 8, 2009 1:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gosh, so now, other than our SP, we are really in a tight spot: No 1B, no LF and half of a RF.
If we are banking on Heyward and Schafer in 2010, we may be in for another disappointing season.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions
What’s wrong with Matt Diaz? But yeah nobody said Wren’s work was done. Now he needs to sign a power bat.
Frank will figure something out if all else fails FUGA is still on the market. I think we can take in all in 2010 with a professional hitter.
Those 2 words will not be said anymore on this site.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 8, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
His L/R splits are what’s wrong with him, not to mention his D and arm (or lack thereof).
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
His splits
He hits righties better than McLouth hits lefties. Or Yunel, oddly. Or LaRoche. Or McCann. Almost as good as Prado against righties.
There’s one guy on this team who doesn’t have at least a hundred OPS points different in his splits-that’s Chipper. We can’t platoon everyone else. Besides, hitting righties isn’t the problem with this team. Yunel, McCann, McLouth, Chipper (usually) all kill righties. LaRoche, too, if he comes back.
Correct me if I am wrong here (I am not 100% sure on this one) but, aren’t Matty’s splits a bit more exaggerated that the others you listed?
Also, we can’t overlook the defensive liability he would be in RF – no arm, limited range, poor routes, etc.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
More exaggerated
But only because he OWNS lefties. He’s still a better-than-average hitter against righties, despite the extreme splits.
If you take only his OPS+ against righties last year, he was still a hitter of the caliber of Miguel Tejada, Shane Victorino, Orlando Hudson, and…Nate McLouth.
Toss in what he did against lefties, and he’s as good as Andre Ethier or Ryan Zimmerman.
Against lefties only, he’s practically Albert Pujols…but that doesn’t mean he’s not valuable at all when betting right handed pitchers.
Gracias.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Additionally
Someone has to play right field. Right now, it’s either Matty, Nate McLouth, or Reid Gorecki. Unless we start the year with Jason Heyward out there. And for most purposes, it’s no harder to play right field than left, other than wanting the better arm in RF.
If we’re looking to sign a free agent, I’m assuming it’s because we actually want something better than Reid Gorecki or Brandon Jones starting for us, so we might as well be looking for someone to stick in right field. Or else accept Diaz in right.
I can accept Diaz in right…but, I would prefer he be in LF with Church in RF. You are kinda making the point I originally was trying to make – we need another OF, so why DFA Church?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
because we want someone cheaper?...
or we are more confident in Heyward/Schafer making the club out of spring training than the consensus of commenters here.
But, would someone cheaper provide us with as much value in return for our investment as Church would?
I am afraid of the idea that we are depending on two rookies as impact bats.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how you make that leap...
why are Schafer and Heyward having to be “impact bats”? Like Church is anywhere near that in the first place. Between the 3, he might have the lowest ceiling and that is just considering next year.
Because currently, we have an OF of Diaz and McLouth, so you would assume that whoever fills that 3rd spot would be someone who we are counting on to produce in the offense on a nightly basis.
It is also no secret that we are shopping for a bat. If the answer is to rely on a rookie, we are in trouble.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
And we can put that bat...
we are shopping for at 1st, and in fact that appears to be what we are trying to do. And that 3rd spot can be filled internally whether you like that possibility or not, you can’t deny it is true, or with another free agent who wouldn’t cost as much.
And I think Heyward produces whenever he comes up. He’s at least shown plenty of ability to do just that so far.
Every year throughout the history of MLB, brand-new rookie players have impressive offensive stats. Saying that the consensus # 1 in the lineup necessarily means we are in trouble is ridiculous.
I didn’t say having him in the lineup means we’re in trouble. I said relying on him to be a key piece of the offense is a mistake.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I essentially agree with you
But I apparently think more of Diaz than you do. I’d love him as a starting full time LF, and I’ll accept him starting full time in RF.
Not sure about the DFA here, though. I’m guessing the Braves want to avoid arbitration where he’ll end up making between 3 and 4 million next year, so apparently they don’t believe he’s worth that. Personally, I’d rather have him than a lot of names that are being tossed around because anyone we add is essentially a stop-gap until Heyward’s presumed midseason promotion. That’s not worth more maybe 3 milion, if that.
My personal preference would be to just give Heyward the RF job out of spring training, and sign an Endy-Chavez type for defense on the cheap. While it costs us Heyward’s super-two status, it’s lower risk pertaining to next year because we won’t have as much money invested in the OF. And if we need him, I think Schafer should be ready to come back by the middle of 2010 as well.
FYI...
Gorecki is a free agent.
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/11/17/1161404/braves-have-16-minor-league-free
There was another report that said he was outright to AAA.
He was taken off of the active 40 man roster because we wanted to clear room for Brandon Jones and Gregor Blanco, who otherwise would be rule 5 eligible. Gorecki IS rule 5 eligible, but it’s hard for me to see him being taken in it, so I assume we still have him for next year.
He doesn’t show up on the AAA roster right now because he’s not protected from the Rule 5 draft.
I believe because of his age...
outrighting him made him a minor league free agent. So he is a FA either way.
BREAKING NEWS
Mets sign Mike Hessman, boy oh boy
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mets-sign-mike-hessman.html
I thought hurricane season was over........
I don’t see why signing a guy to be in AAA makes Minaya dumb. He’s dumb for a lot of reasons, but signing a guy who’s got over 300 AAA homers for your AAA team is a pretty good move.
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I said when we got Church, that he was a guy we could release whenever we wanted to, whereas Francoeur was not.
The organizations unwillingness to give up on golden boys will bite them in the ass. Francoeur sucks. He should’ve been non-tendered pre-2009.
If the organization really doesn’t have the cahones to release Francoeur but do have the cahones to release Ryan Church, a superior player, then there is a fundamental problem in the front office.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
This.
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 8, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing against Church, but with Diaz, McLouth, (Schafer, Heyward), Infante, BJones………yeah.
No room at the inn.
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 8, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t, but you could make a reasonable argument that Church is better than all of those you listed. Except Schafer and Heyward of course.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
He has a better arm, and offensively would be comprable.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
How is he comparable offensively?...
Sure, you can compare the two, but one looks much, much worse.
Church last year—359 ABs, .273/.338/.384/.722, 28 2B, 4 HR, 6 steals, OPS+ 92, 1:1.76 BB:K
McLouth last year—507 ABs, .256/.352/.436/.788, 27 2B, 2 3B, 20 HR, 19 steals, OPS+ 109, 1:1.45 BB:K
He has a better average, and more doubles. McLouth shows more speed, more slugging, more HR, better job at getting on base in spite of the lower average. McLouth is MUCH better offensively, and I think their current contract and roster status shows just how much better he is than Church.
Based on your numbers, Church has a better avg and near equal power.
I am not saying Church is better, I am saying that the argument can be made that Church is near equal in value offensively as McLouth – if he can play a full season.
I am not making that argument, but just showing that it is plausible.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Let me make a better case for Church
2007: .272/.349/.464 .813 OPS
2008: .276/..346/.439 .785 OPS
2009: .273/.332/.384 .722 OPS as a Brave .260/.347/.402 .749 OPS.
His power completely disappeared playing in Citi field (read: it’s huge), but he was a decent hitter after the trade.
Not as good as McLouth, but I think it would have been nice to have him. We’ll see what we end up getting, though.
Good work.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
There is also a steady decline across the board...
except for moving from NY to ATL in obp and slg last year. Otherwise, it’s a continual drop and looks like he’s regressing. Again, no thanks.
Huh?...
HRs and slugging are strongly in favor of McLouth, as is ops. How in the hell is that “near equal power”?
If near equal means no where close, then sure he’s “near equal in value offensively”.
Well, power is more than SLG and HRs. Doubles are power, and he had more doubles than Nate in fewer ABs.
Give him an equal number of ABs as Nate, and I’d be willing to bet that the two are comparable – which was my only point in this whole unnecessary discussion.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Combine doubles and HR...
and that goes much more in McLouth’s favor. Just because Church doesn’t have enough power to put balls in the gap over the fence making them doubles compared to McLouth’s HRs, doesn’t mean he has comparable power. In fact it is an shows how he doesn’t.
So, I agree that “give them an equal number of ABs” and they’d have the same number of HR and 2Bs, but the fact McLouth would have the higher HR total while Church would be hitting doubles shows which one has more power.
if you have to break it down to which one has a higher hr total, then they are comparable.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
ISO...
Church for his career .169
McLouth .194
Since Church’s career high of .250 in 2006, he has dropped significantly each season—.191 in 07, .161 in 08, and .111 last year (split as a .095 while in NY before bumping to .142 in limited time with the Braves).
McLouth’s career low was 2006, his first year in the bigs, at .152. Since then he had .201 in 07 and .221 in 08 before .179 last year (split .214 in Pitt and .162 here).
Again, no matter how we slice it, how is Church even close in power to McLouth? How are they in any ways comparable offensively unless compare that one is significantly better than the other?
You are failing to realize that there is a difference between someone being equally valuable on offense and someone having better power.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
No, I get that...
McLouth gets on base at a better clip, and he has more speed. Combine that with better power, and it seems McLouth is better offensively across the board, and through most any way you want to look at it. Average and doubles favor Church, but McLouth still gets on more often by a good size margin in spite of Church’s higher average, and a lot of the balls Church hits for doubles McLouth puts over the wall making that advantage worthless. So in what possible way is Church equally valuable to McLouth offensively? He doesn’t get on base as well, is slower, and has less power. He’s worse in pretty much every conceivable way offensively.
I never said he was better. I said that the argument could be made that he is comprable.
Bonn’s numbers posted above show this.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
No, they don’t. Everything shows McLouth is the better offensive player, both recently and for his career. Why do you continually defend players who just don’t merit it? I bet there isn’t a stray dog in you neighborhood.
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Playing devil’s advocate here:
It could be argued that Church is a better defensive CF’er than McLouth and he had a .820+ OPS before the concussion. McLouth has a .798 career OPS and a .779 OPS over the last 10 months.
Not saying I think Church is better, I’m just presenting an example of an argument, for the purpose of demonstrating that an argument could be made.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
And after the concusion?...
it’s been a long while since that injury. And that’s the player we’d be looking at.
Or better than Diaz?
Really? Are we talking about the same Ryan Church from last year? I wasn’t against brining him back to play right until Heyward was ready, but it was on the premise he’d regain his old form. If you’re asking if we should sign last year’s Ryan Church, for even last year’s salary let alone the raise he’d possibly get through arb, I’d easily decline.
You ignore the publicity hit of the hometown kid...
not that Wren showed he was scared of such by dumping Glavine and the Smoltz debacle.
Reading the comments on MLBTR, I found that Mets fans are still pretty ecstatic about getting Francoeur. Poor, poor Mets fans…
But he hit .311 for them last year!
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 8, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, this is pretty good: I still like Frenchy, and now I can root for him while not being totally frustrated by time. Face it, the way things are right now in New York, he could hit .350 for them this year (though I expect more like .265) and the Mets will still suck.
I just can’t bring myself to liking the guy after his attitude in Atlanta. Not only was he a bad baseball player, but his personality was annoying. I don’t want him to get injured or anything, but I’m not sure I can root for him to do well… especially with the Mets.
He just needs to grow up. Too many dumbass comments he made… He’s a chatty Kathy, if I’ve ever seen one. That should work out well for him in the Big Pear…
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yanks just got Granderson. At least we don’t have to face Scherzer anymore.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
Interesting…
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 8, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love this.
It reduces Cameron’s price by taking the Yankees out of the mix.
That depends on whether they can move Bradley
Once they do, yes, that is a problem. Cameron makes a lot of sense for them.
They gotta dump Bradley first.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I actually prefer the Yank side of the deal, by far. Tigers did OK. AZ got hosed.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
They did get their man in Granderson
For basically 1 solid prospect.
Tigers got a cheap, solid arm in Scherzer for the next 5 years under contract and a couple of solid prospects like Schlereth and Jackson.
The deal from AZ’s side doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
4 win CFs don’t come along very often, and when you can get one for Austin Jackson and some bullpen arms, you take him. Plus, Grandy is pretty well cost-controlled, not thatthe Yanks care too much about that.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
And yet we have people who...
…don’t want us to sign one without giving up any players or even a draft pick. A bit bizarre.
Cameron’s unlikely to sign for $5.5M, but yes, a bit bizzarre.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
True, but Cameron won't have...
…two $10 million plus contract seasons committed following 2010 either.
Well, technically neither does Granderson (including the buyout with the $8.25M for 2011 is a bit disingenuous), but theyr’e really apples and oranges because of the age.
But we’re on the same side on this one, and we have been all along. Cameron at $8M/1 would be great for the Braves. I think he’d also be great at that price for multiple other teams, making it unlikely he’ll actually sign for that. My prediction is that the Braves will bow out once the second year gets added, and someone will sign him for closer to $20M/2.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Jackson
could be Crawford
or he could be Cameron
interesting trade for the Tiggers.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
See, shit like this makes my head explode. Austin Jackson cannot be Carl Crawford. At 22, Crawford was already holding his own as the Rays full-time LF. On his 22nd birthday, Jackson hadn’t even hit AAA.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Submited in crayon (from mlbtr)
ONCE AGAIN i WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK FRANK WREN AND THE ENTIRE BRAVES "ORGANIZATION FOR SHIPPING US FRANCOEUR FOR RYAN CHURCH.
For the record Francoeur hit .311 and raised his OBP a whopping 56 points while hitting 10 HR’s,since in a Mets uniform…..Thank you and have a nice day!"
You do realize that Francouer has statistically been one of the worst starting outfielders the past few seasons. The Mets should take a page out of the Braves book and DFA/non-tender Francouer.
Posted by: moebarguy | December 08, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Frankly, I don’t care what the stats, say I watched him come up, and I know what he is capable of (as do the Mets) His glove and his bat have both been good and if he hit like that on a team that let’s be honest was half filled with AAA and AAAA players in the line-up I can’t wait to see what he’ll do with a healthy Major League squad!
Posted by: Mets5rocks | December 08, 2009 at 12:57 PM
JEFF FRANCOEUR
sucks. my. balls.
daily.i’d much rather have a DEAD MAN in RF than him.
i guess i speak for 40% of fans. which means your father-in-law can also
suck. my. balls.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 8, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
LOL @ submitted in crayon
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm upset with the organization's handling of the situation more than anything.
After watching the year-and-a-half long well-below replacement level production from Francouer only to see Bobby Cox run him out there every day during the midst of pennant races, I’m convinced the front office is taking too lenient of a stance with regards to Bobby’s autonomy in selecting line-ups.
During the stretch run, when Church was healthy, Bobby would routinely stick Garret Anderson’s worthless bat in the 5th spot and worthless glove in LF, with LaRoche hitting 7th and Church on the bench. Bobby’s a nice guy and everything, but nice don’t win baseball games, and Church should’ve been in the line-up. Not only would this have given the Braves a better chance to win in 2009, it would’ve increased interest in Church on the trade market. Now, they’re probably looking at getting nothing for him.
The team sacrificed wins by playing Garret Anderson over Church and sacrificed value by DFA’ing a valuable commodity.
In 2009 spring training, the Braves were able to trade Josh Anderson for Rudy Darrow. Rudy Darrow sucks, but he’s still young and all and he costs nothing. The Braves are probably going to get nothing, and would take Rudy Darrow straight up for Ryan Church at this point. Ryan Church is a better player on a more valuable contract than Josh Anderson.
This is a sign that things were handled poorly. It would’ve made more sense if the team gained anything on the field by playing Garret over Church, but they actually lost sometime on the field.
Overall a piss-poorly handled situation by a manager who is admittedly past his prime and a front office that wouldn’t man up and tell him he’s wrong.
Blame whoever you want. Though keep in mind, it was the organization’s decision to keep Bobby Cox around. In my opinion, they should’ve anticipated his limitations and investigated ways to off-set them. Instead, they gave him control of the team like
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Astute take on the mismanagement
of Bobby Cox. My biggest fear is he’ll pull a Brett Favre and dangle retirement around until he realizes it’s close and then decides he can’t leave the game. He hurts this team. Sorry Bobby, love what you’ve done in the past but it’s time we talk about a divorce.
You could blame it on Bobby Cox if you’d like. Personally, I blame the FO for not being more pro-active about this than for Bobby Cox making the wrong decisions. They need to anticipate this and say something like, Roger McDowell gets to make the pitching changes, Eddie Perez needs to make the line-up, and let Chipper take care of the game management strategy. Or something like that.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
The fallout of first year GM Frank Wren
telling Bobby to get out of town or how to do his job would have caused a stir. Wouldn’t it? We hate it but Cox has become an uncheckable institution within the Braves organization, and FW is going to ride out this last year (hopefully) and not deal with the backlash…..this is the strategy. Hence, the FYF move last year.
Don’t look like the bad guy.
but your analogy
is wrong:
the Packers are BETTER than the Vikings.
you’ll see.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll agree with this one.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
2010
church was no the answer in RF, and too pricey to be a place holder for
Heyward. Heyward’s spring will determine if he heads north as the RF or
has to wait a bit. his succession to RF at least a full blast shot is a given.
McClouth is in contrast a serviceable place holder in CF barring a signing
or trade for a leadoff hitter. Diaz bless his heart provides a range from LF
platoon to RF safety net. Infante is a milagro either from the bench or
yet another safety net.
B’s will obtain EITHER a solid leadoff OF or a middle of the order 1B,
my preference for OF is Crawford.
Why do we care what the Brewers will do?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
haha
"SIGN PUJOLS OR FIRE WREN" ~ Swo12bv
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 9, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
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