The Power of Pitching: 1995 WS Champs
Today at work I was waiting for samples to complete their preparation so I took a stroll down memory lane (via baseball-reference.com) to pass the time. I went through and looked at the individual stats for the Braves over the past few years just to refresh my memory of who did what and so on. I then stumbled upon the 1995 Braves, you know the 90 win WS Champion 1995 Braves, and something struck me. This 1995 Braves seem like the team, in some ways, that Wren has talked about trying to build; a team with an elite starting rotation, a good pen, good defense, and a offense predicated on a bunch of guys with 20+HR power but lacking that 'big bat' guy.
Just look at the sats (after the jump) and see for yourself that a team like the one we are building can win a bunch of games and win a WS.
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Postion | Player | G | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| 1 | CF | Marquis Grissom | 139 | 606 | 80 | 142 | 23 | 3 | 12 | 42 | 29 | 47 | 61 | 0.258 | 0.317 | 0.376 | 0.693 |
| 2 | SS | Jeff Blauser | 115 | 504 | 30 | 91 | 16 | 2 | 12 | 31 | 8 | 57 | 107 | 0.211 | 0.319 | 0.341 | 0.660 |
| 3 | 3B | Chipper Jones | 140 | 602 | 87 | 139 | 22 | 3 | 23 | 86 | 8 | 73 | 99 | 0.265 | 0.353 | 0.450 | 0.803 |
| 4 | 1B | Fred McGriff | 144 | 604 | 85 | 148 | 27 | 1 | 27 | 93 | 3 | 55 | 99 | 0.280 | 0.361 | 0.489 | 0.850 |
| 5 | RF | David Justice | 120 | 491 | 73 | 104 | 17 | 3 | 24 | 78 | 4 | 73 | 68 | 0.253 | 0.365 | 0.479 | 0.844 |
| 6 | LF | Ryan Klesko | 107 | 381 | 48 | 102 | 25 | 2 | 23 | 70 | 5 | 47 | 72 | 0.310 | 0.396 | 0.608 | 1.004 |
| 7 | C | Javy Lopez | 100 | 352 | 37 | 105 | 11 | 4 | 14 | 51 | 0 | 14 | 57 | 0.315 | 0.344 | 0.498 | 0.842 |
| 8 | 2B | Mark Lemke | 116 | 453 | 42 | 101 | 16 | 5 | 5 | 38 | 2 | 44 | 40 | 0.253 | 0.325 | 0.356 | 0.681 |
A few things jump out at me from this list:
- We had no 30HR hitters but we did have four guys hit 20+HR and only Mark Lemke, bless his heart, hit less than 10HR.
- We had only two players hit better than .280 (Klesko and Lopez) and those two had the fewest PA of any of the other regulars.
- Our #1 and #2 hitters (Grissom and Blauser) had OBPs of less than .320 and we only had one player (Grissom) that had more than 8 SB with 29 SB.
- Only one player (Kelsko) had a SLG higher than .500 and he had only 381 PA.
- Chipper's line was wholly unimpressive as far as what is expected from Chipper.
I'd be willing to bet that we could put a better offense than that out there this year especially at the top of the order. Of course our offense wasn't the reason we won the WS, it was the following pitching staff.
| Player | W | L | IP | GS | CG | SHO | K | K/9 | ERA | WHIP |
| Greg Maddux | 19 | 2 | 209.2 | 28 | 10 | 3 | 181 | 7.8 | 1.63 | 0.811 |
| Tom Glavine | 16 | 7 | 198.2 | 29 | 3 | 1 | 127 | 5.8 | 3.08 | 1.248 |
| John Smoltz | 12 | 7 | 192.2 | 29 | 2 | 1 | 193 | 9 | 3.18 | 1.235 |
| Steve Avery | 7 | 13 | 173.1 | 29 | 3 | 1 | 141 | 7.3 | 4.67 | 1.252 |
| Kent Merker | 7 | 8 | 143.0 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 102 | 6.4 | 4.15 | 1.406 |
| Player | W | L | IP | G | SV | HR/9 | BB/9 | K/9 | ERA | WHIP |
| Mark Wohlers | 7 | 3 | 64.2 | 65 | 25 | 0.3 | 3.3 | 13 | 2.09 | 1.16 |
| Greg McMichael | 7 | 2 | 80.2 | 67 | 2 | 0.9 | 3.6 | 8.3 | 2.79 | 1.19 |
| Brad Clontz | 8 | 1 | 69.0 | 59 | 4 | 0.7 | 2.9 | 7.2 | 3.65 | 1.35 |
| Pedro Borbon | 2 | 2 | 32.0 | 41 | 2 | 0.6 | 4.8 | 9.3 | 3.09 | 1.44 |
| Steve Bedrosain | 1 | 2 | 28.0 | 29 | 0 | 1.9 | 3.9 | 7.1 | 6.11 | 1.86 |
Now let me say this: no pitcher on the Braves staff or any pitcher in the entire MLB is going to do this year what Maddux did in 1995. I mean he was crazy go nuts, in your face, son of Thor, Einstein-Curie lovechild, man among boys dominant. He was 19-2 with a 0.811 WHIP in over 200 IP... holy cow. With that out of the way...
Comparing our two rotations (1995 to 2010): Though Hudson is a great starter 1995 Maddux would beat him any day of the week. It is entirely possible however and maybe probable that Jurrjens and Hanson can put in seasons very comparable in 2010 to 1995 Glavine and Smoltz as ~200 IP and a low 3.00 ERA is within their talent level. Lowe and Kawakami seem likely to be able to put in better seasons in 2010 than the Avery/Merker combo did in 1995. It looks like our staff could be deeper than it was in 1995 but without the absolute dominance at the top.
Comparing our two pens (1995 to 2010): Though the pen didn't rack up the saves like mad, Wholers, McMichael and Clontz were very effective workhorses putting up the innings and nice peripherals. Per usual, Bobby liked to use just a few guys and neglect the rest of his pen to a degree, which may have been a decent idea as the rest of those who put in innings were pretty uninspiring. We should have a deeper pen with the potential in Wagner and Satio to have a the same kind of late inning effectiveness as Wholers and Co. I would expect our pen to be nearly as good if not better than the 1995 version.
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By laying this all out I wanted for us all to remember the old Braves way of winning. As long as we have a dominant staff we can win no matter how 'powerless' our offense is.
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Agreed, Great read.
Anyone know what Mark Wohlers is doing nowadays?
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Probably making voodoo dolls of Jim Leyritz.
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
About a year ago on the yahoo baseball page, somebody did an article on closers who were awesome for a minute and then flamed out. The guy said some not particularly kind things about Mark Wohlers and something to the effect of him going crazy and wasting his arm. The next week in his mailbag thing there was a note that just said “YOUR AN ASS.” signed Mark Wohlers.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
So, Wohlers can’t spell? It was a shame, I saw him a few times in AAA when he was having all his struggles and it was sad to watch. I actually saw him throw a pitch over the protective screen behind home plate. I wouldn’t have thought is was possible but he did it. I do give him credit for always being a nice guy toward the fans throughout it. I’m sure some people gave him hell but everyone I saw interact with him was very positive and he was appreciative of it. But, you could really see how the whole thing stressed him out.
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I was at one of his last Atlanta games
When he was really, really losing it. He got a standing ovation when he came in (with an ERA creeping towards double digits). Walked a couple, couple wild pitches, gave up 3 or 4 runs, Bobby pulled him, and he got just as good a reception coming out as going in. Mullet + 103mph fastball = lifelong love by Braves fans across the globe. I will always see him spinning on the mound with his arms in the air after Game 6.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 2, 2010 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, that right there is enough to gain the forever love. The fact that he was on the ball that one year, no matter what happened the other seasons, is enough. The Braves got a WS win and he was on the mound.
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Was it Skip and Joe or Skip and Pete who had that game on radio?
I just remember them yelling “Yes!” over and over and over.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 2, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus…I remember maddux having an excellent year but never saw the peripheral stats. .811 WHIP. That is….well, I cant think of any adjective poweful enough to convey my amazement. .811!
In your face, Lincecum! Pansy ass 1.047 WHIP. Get that weak shit outta here!
The only reason this season isnt talked about as one of the best ever is the relatively weak K ratio. Also, I cant remember off the top of my head but wasnt the season Maddux went like 60-something straight innings without a walk. And if I remember correctly, this streak was broken by an intentional walk. I think it was someone on the Rockies, back when they had an absolute beast of a middle lineup. Larry Walker, Andres Gallaraga, Vinny Castilla, Dante Bichette. Oh! Almost forgot! The greatest Hawaiian to every play…Benny Agbayani.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Dec 31, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions
Agbayani…I fogot about the best name ever!
That Rox team had some doozies of names: Bichette, Agbayani, Gallaraga…and others I can’t recall off the top of my head.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 31, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Played in a softball tourney down here with Agbayani….He still kills it about 420-430…. it looks amazing playing on a field with a 300 ft fence…
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He has a rolled bat…
lol
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 31, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
who doesn’t? haha…
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
*raises hand sheepishly, because my Miken Freak hasn’t been rolled…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 31, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
i have an original too, there was nothing like the first one…..
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I should clarify – I don’t have an OG, I have a 98…
*sheepishness continues…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 31, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
but its not rolled….kudos….
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome name by the way.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Blake Street Bombers...
But Agbayani wasn’t there in the heyday was he? I thought he didn’t get to the bigs till ‘98-’99…
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Should have looked directly below my post I suppose... Thanks CB.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Benny was actually playing in A and AA in 1995. He didn’t play for the Rockies until 2002. But, he is the coolest guy on the planet. I was at his wedding, which was at the AAA all star game in 98. I’m pretty sure he’s still playing in Japan for Bobby Valentine.
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Yeah, I thought 95 was too early for him. I just wanted an excuse to bring up his name. Here’s a few interesting bits from his wikipedia page:
-MLB debut June 17, 1998 for the Mets as an 8th inning defensive replacement for Butch Huskey.
- (Lifted straight from wikipedia) On August 12, 2000 while a member of the Mets, Agbayani was involved in a particularly memorable play. In the fourth inning, with the Mets leading 1-0, the Giants loaded the bases after a double, an error, and a hit batsman. With one out, Giants catcher Bobby Estalella hit a fly pop to Agbayani in left field. Agbayani, thinking that the catch made three outs, gave the ball to a child in the stands and began to trot toward the dugout. It took him a moment to realize his mistake, but once he did, he sprinted back to the stands, pulled the ball from the hands of the young fan he had given it to, and fired a throw toward home plate. Unfortunately for Agbayani, once the ball left the field, the play was dead, and all three runners were awarded two bases—causing Jeff Kent and Ellis Burks to score, and the Giants to take the lead, 2-1. The Mets went on to win the game, 3-2, and Agbayani gave another ball to the fan who had given the previous one back
- One of six players in MLB bistory from the Philippenes by birth, citizenship, or heritage. Others are Bobby Balcena, Bobby Choinard, Chris Aguila, Geno Espineli, and Tim Lincecum?!?
-Benny is banned from ever joining the MLBPA because of his participation in the 1995 spring training.
And finally, yes cb is correct, Benny is currently playing in Japan for the Chiba-Lotte Mariners, most recently managed by Bobby Valentine.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Dec 31, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I love Benny. He played here in Norfolk for 5 years and, at least as long as I’ve been around, nobody has been more of a fan favorite. I still have a 8×10 that he signed hanging on my wall. The first card I ever got him to sign still has a bunch of pine tar all over it that he had on his glove when he grabbed it.
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You inspired me to look him up on facebook. I just became the 101st member of the facebook group: benny agbayani is the coolets[sic] baseball player ever
The seem to have alot of love for him. B-B-B-BENNY AND THE METS!
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 1, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
dang. I remember the Harbor Park announcer introducing him to bat like it was yesterday…who else was on that team: Craig Parquette or something like that was the main guy, right?
Man, this is taking me back…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 1, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Paquette was here, Butch Huskey, Matt Franco, Jason Isringhausen, Jay Payton, Bill Pulsipher…had to look up some more now…Cory Lidle (wow), Scott McClain, Todd Pratt, Pete Harnish, Scott Sauerbeck. That’s just the 97 team. Yep, lots of memories there.
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Gracias. I miss the good ol days…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Takin' me back guys.
If this counts, this is the most press Butch Huskey has gotten in about eight years. Remember when Isringhausen, Pulsipher and Paul Wilson were supposed to be the next Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz?
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Butch. He used to drop bombs. Harbor Park is one of the worst hitter’s parks in AAA but the guy just killed like it was no big deal. Ironically he’s a guy I actually never got an autograph from (just cause I was never in the right place I think).
I remember the big three, they all played in Norfolk for like 5 years. Izzy actually played parts of 7 seasons for the Tides. He was kind of a dick, at least until that 7th season. Pulse was just a nutjob but he was cool and Wilson was just a down to earth great guy. God love the Mets for screwing up all that talent.
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My sister went to HS with McClain
He had a full-ride to USC to play QB, but he didn’t want to go to school anymore.
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Sounds about right. I wonder if he was a douche bag in HS too. He was always very unpleasant. Orioles prospects in the 90s always had an attitude for some reason, even after they left the organization. That’s something my buddies and I could never figure out, they’re the Orioles! Screw Danny Clyburn.
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Agbayani

Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
Look, Benny was the man. If the ball ended up in his ball then it’s because he planned it that way. It was all an elaborate rouse designed to trick the other team. Next time they threw a ball at his ball I guarantee he parked it.
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HAHAHA!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 2, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well done...
but as far as that play is concerned and insult to injury and all, wouldn’t that be a strike too?
you would think this pic would pop up more than it does….lol
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I still prefer...

Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 2, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
This one is my favorite:

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
poor FYF…lol
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 2, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. The Mets OF provided some pretty good ones this year. Who could forget this instant classic?

I wish I could find a video or .gif of it. Anyone know where I could get one?
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 2, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
youtube it.
fernando martinez fail. should be the fifth one down.only about 40 secs long. classic blooper reel stuff. HILARIOUS SHIT.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 3, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha, my favorite of the season. But they did provide a boat load of them… Haha, and Wright losing the foul ball. Was it Jose Reyes that missed an easy pop up to let the Phillies win? Haha lame…
Don’t forget Ryan Church missing third…classic!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Dont forget Luis Castillo dropping the A-rod pop-up with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Great post. However, shouldn’t McGriff’s stats be prorated?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
A full season is considered about 650 PA so I guess he could have got to 30HR in that extra 50 PA.
by bbxxj on Dec 31, 2009 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
freds numbers=.280/27/93…. wouldn’t that be awesome if we could get that out of glass glaus?
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions
I made a fanshot about the comparrison between the two (I stole it from ESPN)…the numbers are strikingly similar.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 31, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/12/26/1220477/what-glaus-and-mcgriff-have-in
you sure did….sorry…
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Dec 31, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt we'll get the .280 but the 27/93 isn't too much to ask if he plays 130-140 games.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
true
i forgot his average stays around 250
by drumzalicious on Jan 1, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
If he gives us 27/93 he can hit .220 for all I care
Either way, still excited to have that bat in the middle of our lineup.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
actually
according to ESPN his slash stat average over a full season (575AB’s) would be
AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS
.255/.359/.497/.856
With 35 HR’s, 101 RBI’s, 91 BB’s, 147 K’s
I’ll take that =^)
by drumzalicious on Jan 1, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Most definitely
I saw that on his per-162 average on baseball reference. Couldn’t complain about that a bit.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 2, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
Good post
Really good. To be honest i think as a whole our rotation this year will be better or rather i hope it will. I wouldnt be surprised to see Kawakami put up a 3.8 era season and hope Lowe can do about the same and eat up some innings for us.
As far as the bullpen goes i think we have potentially one of the best bullpens in the league. If Wagner and Saito stay healthy thats a crazy duo at at the back end. Moylan and EoF we already know are great but what i believe puts us up over the top is the group of new guys we have coming in. Chavez, Dunn, Kimbrel, Hyde, Lyman etc. All of these guys are complete upgrades over Boyer, Bennett and Logan.
I have conveniently left off Medlen because i hope that a whole crop of these guys come in and do GREAT so that we can put Medlen in AAA and let him develop as a starter and be stretched out to jump in as a starter during the season if needed.
In addition to that i really hope Dunn and Kimbrel make the BP out of spring training. I have a feeling both of those guys being around Wagner and having similar stuff as him will help those two blossom into amazing relievers.
Heres to a BP of
Wagner
Saito
EoF
Moylan
Dunn
Kimbrel
Chavez
w00t!!!
I like it. I like it a lot.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 1, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Great post… However…
Hate to put a damper on things but we have to keep in mind that the rest of the league was VERY weak that year.
The Braves won 90 games and at the rate they were winning would have been a 101 win team. What else is new from the Braves of that era?
The second place team in the East that year? The Mets with 69 wins! Strangely, the Mets, Phillies, Marlins, and Expos were separated by only 3 games that year.
Cincinnati won 85 games and may have won 96 that year if it was a full season. They won their division by 9 games. But if I remember correctly, the Braves absolutely murdered the Reds in those days.
Los Angeles won their division that year with only 78 wins which would have translated to a 88 win year. An okay year but not great—obviously.
So really, their only competition in ’95 was the Reds and they beat up on them regularly.
As far as the World Series, it was pretty clear who was the favorite given that Cleveland won 100 games and may have won 112 that year. However, when you are among the 100+ win elite, guess it really doesn’t make much difference—but none the less the Indians were really scary that year though.
It was a fascinating series because of the great story of polar opposites behind it: it was might and brawn against control and finesse. Cleveland was #1 in run scored and #1 in ERA in the AL. They had an outside chance of scoring 1,000 runs that year if it wasn’t for the strike. Atlanta was 9th in the NL in runs scored (below league average) but #1 in ERA (really by a wide margin if you consider that Dodger stadium is/was an extreme pitchers park and so was the old Shea).
I digress…
So is it fair to compare the potential 2010 Braves to the ‘95 Braves? Maybe. But really, it was the Braves weakest overall team of the 90’s since most Braves teams of that era really did score runs. It is normally difficult to make it to the World Series when you have a serious deficiency like the Braves had that year. They played in a really weak league in ’95 and frankly they were extremely lucky to have steamrolled right over the Indians who may have been their strongest competition in the 5 World Series of that decade—at least on paper.
So can the Braves beat out the Phillies, Cardinals (especially if they bring back Holliday?), Dodgers, Rockies, and Giants? Not to mention the Marlins—you never know what you are going to get with them. The Braves may improve but they may still not make the playoffs depending on what everyone else does.
I could go on and on about this but a couple of final notes… The Braves finished 6th last year in runs scored ahead of the Cardinals and their two great sluggers and they finished 3rd in ERA behind the two great pitchers parks in L.A. and S.F. So not bad considering how terrible the offense was in the first half…
Pythagorean W-L should have put the Braves at 91 wins and the Phillies at 92. The Rockies were at 90 wins. Should the Braves been more competitive? Most definitely. They really underperformed most of the year and those last 7 games were ridiculous.
(The Cardinals Pythagorean was 91 and the Dodgers 99—I would say they were probably the best in ’09).
I believe the Braves could be improved by quite a bit if they can get one more player for left field, Glaus is even a shadow of what he once was (25 homers would be nice), and Heyward plays like we think he can (20 homers and .300 average is great!).
So putting things in perspective for the new year can brighten things up a bit… ;-)
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meh
pitching still wins. What ppl dont realize is our team just needs ppl in the offense to be consistent. we are rid of KJ and his streaky hitting. No FYF sucking up AB’s and no injured Schafer in the lineup. The bottom of our lineup last year was an automatic 3-4 outs. This year is different. We just need an offense that wil score 3-4 runs a game and our pitching staff will do the rest
by drumzalicious on Jan 3, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
It sounds like you think the Braves are the pick of the National League?
Frankly, I’m not satisfied with just “making the playoffs”. The ultimate goal is to win the World Series. Of course “one step at a time” right? I don’t think the team is strong enough at this point.
I don’t think you can say, “eh, if they just score 3-4 runs, that’s good enough”. Teams that win usually have strong teams all around: pitching and offense. I assume you did the calculation and found that scoring 3.5 runs per game (average of 3-4 runs) is only 567 runs which would have put them dead last in the Major Leagues, 69 runs less than Pittsburgh. Maybe you just meant it as a figure of speech?
As it is… The Braves averaged 4.54 runs per game in 2009 and they finished with 86 wins. Pythagorean says they should have won 91.
I firmly believe that we have an opportunity to strengthen the ball club and we should take advantage of the available $$. You have to stack the deck in your favor because those teams in contention like the Phillies and Cardinals are not going to sit still and let the Braves beat them without making moves before and during the season. You’ve all seen the Phils spend money like there is no tomorrow. I don’t know if the Braves can keep up.
Plus we have to consider the hidden element: the unknown! We don’t know who is going to come up lame and the likely candidates just happen to be two key players: Glaus &Chipper. Therefore, I think it is vitally important that we bring in someone who is young and has a track of record of good health.
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I agree and disagree.
I think getting to the play-offs is the key. The play-offs are pretty random and quite a crapshoot. Certainly, great pitching helps in a short series, but even the best pitchers can turn in a bad game. So, if we build a team that gets to the playoffs, we have a shot, and I am happy with that.
As for Glaus and Chipper, I agree that is a huge injury risk. I’d love to see us sign Garko as a back-up. He is relatively young and doesn’t have a bad injury history.
Avery was a better pitcher that year than his ERA and W/L record indicate, and he came up huge in the NLCS and WS for us that year, really helping us to take control of both series.
Something to consider about that ’95 team is that they tended to play well in key situations. The hitters turned it up with RISP and High Leverage situations.
Their Pythagorean win total says they should have been an 84 (still good with the strike and all) win team but they won 90. To an extent they’re a team that outplayed their stats that year.
but but but...
advanced stats are supposed to be infallible. Look at all the fancy numbers and variables in the equation.
Defense
I think the one thing the 1995 team was way better at was on the defensive side of the Game. Lemke and Blauser up the middle. A young Chipper at 3rd. And McGriff who is a experienced 1st Baseman unlike Glaus who has rarely played the position. In Center I would take Grissom over McLouth. The corners you can make a case for, Melky would probably be better than Klesko in LF and Heyward better than Justice. At the plate, I would probably say Lopez, more Athletic and better thrower.
The Ace in 2010 is
Jurrjens. Age and Payroll aside he was awesome last year and I expect him only to be better this year. Hopefully he can get more run support this year.
Hmmmm….
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
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