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This is a fantastic post by CD over at Rowland's Office. Makes me love independent blogs so much more than those attached to major papers. Especially after reading another day of whining by AJC blogger Mark Bradley. Make sure you read the Rowland's Office piece first. If the Office is not on your list of daily must-read Braves blogs, it should be.

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someone agrees with me about Mark Bradley. Does he ever not complain?

I used to like Frank Wren...not anymore. I want John Schierholz back!

by Scott Coleman on Dec 23, 2009 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

haha I thought that was the American way.

It was a nice post. I still say it’s better to have money to spend than to not have money to spend like the Pirates and Marlins. Yeah, they may know what they have to work with, but I think it’s ultimately hurting their fan base.

by Sparhawk on Dec 23, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes the 14 year run seem truly out of reach. I think JS is better suited as the president of the club bc of the self imposed salary cap. It had to be hard fron going from one of the top five payrolls to the middle of the pack. FW doesn’t know any different so he can work in that framework. Its doable…just look at the Twins.

by Chesterhighwater on Dec 23, 2009 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The best we can hope for is being like the Twins. Unfortunately, we also need a manager like Ron Gardenhire, and that we are far from having.

by samxrm on Dec 24, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

This was the point I tried to make earlier today in a different thread – we’re not the Yankees. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we’ll be able to look at these moves in the proper context.

Sure, it’d be great to have a payroll of $115m, but that is not an option right now. So while these cost saving measures may be annoying for fans, they are a reality.

by hollerin' brave on Dec 23, 2009 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The thing is, looking at the Vazquez trade, it doesn’t really seem like a salary move to me. We already had some money left to sign cheaper guys with high upside like Glaus. It seems like we just wanted to use the starter surplus to use the most that we thought we could get for one of the ones we were willing to trade. So, the proper context would seem to be whether it was worth it to get this return for Javy knowing we’d still have the 5 remaining starters, not our payroll limitations (not that we don’t need to be aware of them for the big picture).

by Sir Stealth on Dec 24, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not in any way saying that Liberty Media is a great owner. We all got spoiled by the Ted Turner years when we actually were a prime destination for free agents and we competed for them. Heck, we almost had A Rod’s signature on a contract until the Rangers’ owner doubled the money and tagged on 3 more years to the deal. However, things really did seem to me to be worse under Time Warner. The team did better, but the budget restrictions were still there. I am still amazed that some of those teams with all of their weaknesses actually made the post season at all. Of course they never did anything once they went there. It’s been 10 years since our last World Series massacre and if I remember correctly 2001 was the last time the Braves had enough to get past the first round. The goal hasn’t really been to win a World Series since Ted Turner was bought out. It’s been to barely make the playoffs and pray for a miracle run in them. I feel that Schuerholz, Cox and some of the players were perfectly content with humiliating first round losses as long as they actually made the playoffs. And don’t get me started on the long term damage that Time Warner did to the Hawks and Thrashers when they owned them. I doubt that the Braves will ever be owned by someone who will spend like the big money teams do now. My fear is that whenever Liberty Media sells them that we’ll get an owner even more cost conscious and the Liberty Media days will look like the “good old days”.

by Zontar on Dec 24, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Agree 100% with Rowland's

Been saying this for years myself. The Teixeira deal was a huge mistake, cf. Neftali and Andrus. Compromising the future for one season is what the Braves have done through the 2000’s and the result is a long playoff-free spell.

Building through the farm system requires patience, and the Braves didn’t have it. Now, hopefully, they know better.

A “good” owner isn’t a hobbyist with unlimited resources. Fans who want that are like women who want to be kept by rich guys. A good owner develops via the farm system, hires the best people, looks for an edge in talent evaluation, and builds efficiently through young home-developed front-line pitching, cunning opportunistic bargain acquisitions, hustling players with strong values who inspire loyalty, and quality customer service at the ballpark to keep the fan base loyal. In other words, what we did in the late 1980’s and1990’s.

Liberty Media is a business. They’ll sell the Braves (around 2012-2014) when their market value rises, a function of few long term salary commitments, a winning core of young stars mostly under team control, and a return to the World Series.

Consider this. Liberty owns Starz. That pay channel is a long term underachiever. They just hired the guy who developed Sex in the City, The Sopranos, and Band of Brothers at HBO. This was done with a very low development ratio, i.e. a high batting average for success. Now Liberty, through Starz, has the chance to repeat this success. They will want to invest in quality original programming.

You can make a television pilot for three million, especially if you cast actors who are as famous as Gandolfini was before Sopranos. So for the price of the difference between Adam LaRoche and Troy Glaus, Liberty can swing for the fences with a couple of pilots for Starz.

Now if I’m a Liberty shareholder I want them to unload Derek Lowe’s salary as soon as he reels off seven wins in a row. But not for Jason Bay, and not for one shot at the wild card in a year they can’t even sell the team.. For what? For twelve new Starz pilots over the next three years. Do you know what kind of money The Sopranos and Sex in the City have made? No comparison.

The Braves should carry their weight in the company portfolio. The cost effective way to do that is to win the first pennant in 2-3 years around guys like Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, Jurrjens and maybe three or four from among Arodys Vizcaino, Mike Minor, Craig Kimbrel, Jose Ortegano, Randy Delgado, Julio Teheran, and Dimaster Delgado.

by JimK on Dec 24, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

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