The Pitching Prospects the Braves Got in the Vazquez Deal
by gondeee on Dec 22, 2009 1:39 PM EST
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I reported early this morning that the Braves had received Arodys Vizcaino as one of the pieces in the Javier Vazquez - Melky Cabrera from the Yankees. They also received lefty Mike Dunn. Here are some scouting report snippets about the two. First up is Vazcaino, here is Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com:
Vizcaino gets hitters to swing and miss with a fastball he can crank up to 96 mph. He's got a hammer curveball, a power breaking pitch that could be a plus offering in time. Like with many young pitchers, the changeup lags behind the other offerings. It needs development, but it is emerging as a third pitch for him. He'll make his full-season debut in 2010 at age 19 and looks like a high-end rotation prospect with a ton of upside.
It looks like the Braves have another talented young Latin hurler to add to their stable of young Latin hurlers that already includes Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, Dimaster Delgado, Robinson Lopez, and Andy Otero. Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus ranked Vizcaino as the number-2 prospect in the Yankees system, saying this about him (after the jump):
Vizcaino's ceiling tops that of any pitcher in the system, by a significant margin. It will take time, but the skills are there for him to become an All-Star starter.
Baseball America's John Manuel passes along this information about Vizcaino, whom he ranks as the number-3 prospect in the Yankees' system:
Vizcaino received the largest signing bonus the club has given a pitcher in [the international] market, signing for $800,000 out of the Dominican Republic in 2007. He dominated the short-season New York-Penn League last summer before a muscle strain in his back ended his season in August.
It certainly seems that the Braves got themselves a talented young prospect in this deal. Mike Dunn may prove to be more talented than originally thought, and more than just a LOOGY. Once again here is Jonathan Mayo, and his analysis of Dunn:
The 24-year-old lefty does have a power arsenal that could work well in the back end of the bullpen if he can refine his control. He's got a big fastball that tops out at 97 mph and a nasty power slider that he throws up to 91 mph with depth and quickness.
Dunn was a draft-and-follow player out of Southern Nevada Community College, where he was a two-way player. He apparently tried his hand at hitting after being drafted before switching to pitching two years ago. If his college sounds familiar, it is the same school that Braves catching prospect Braeden Schlehuber was drafted out of.
The Braves seemed to view Boone Logan as a lost cause who was arbitration eligible, so acquiring Dunn gives them a higher upside lefty reliever who has more potential than as just a LOOGY, and a player they control for many more years.
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Nice post. Still nothing will help get us through this deal. Melky just doesn’t solve anything, and now, if we do use that money to acquire Holiday or Bay, Diaz or Nate would have to be moved to make room.
Melky does solve something...
we needed a stop gap filler until Schafer/Heyward are ready, perhaps by June or July if not earlier. Melky is that, and a relatively cheap one too. He’s not an ideal piece, but he’s not as bad as some are making out. And we’ve got what could be a great young pitching staff now. Add Dunn to O’Flaherty, Kimbrel, Hyde, Gearrin, Valdez, Abreu, Proctor, Chavez, and the several others, we just might have that Oakland A’s style of seemingly endless line of cheap, young, but high quality relievers for the next several years. And combine Vizcaino to the one or two dozen projectable young starters like Stovall, Delgado, Delgado, Spruill, Devall, Teheran, Minor, Lopez, Otero, and Ortegano, among others, with Hanson and Jurrjens, and it looks like we could have another dominant starting rotation among the best 5 in baseball every year for a decade or more, and at club controlled costs to boot.
The trade looks bad on it’s face if we focus on Javy Vasquez last year, but it really looks like it could become a Renteria part 2 of declining veteran at their peak value for a very good package of young talented pieces.
and it’s equally bad to predict a renteria type fall by Vazquez. Not an awful trade but if you’re banking on Javy failing next year as a consolation then it’s obvious the deal was not as win-win as you make it out to be. Let’s see how they re-allocate the 12 million before really examining this deal is my opinion
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not counting on it to sway the deal...
but I don’t think it’s as unlikely to you. Javy is a great P, but last year was a career best, meaning unlikely to be any better going forward. He’s already pitched for the Yankees, unsuccessfullly, and been in the AL 4 years, 3 of them pretty unsuccessful. The new Yankee Stadium doesn’t seem conducive to his style of pitching either. That combination could bode for a similar fall to Renteria with Detroit. Even if Vasquez is successful, we could have a positive future return from Lowe getting back to form like Hudson did in his second year down south (seems likely), Cabrera playing average for a few months until Heyward takes over moving him into a platoon with McLouth/Diaz in CF and LF (seems possible), and the young Ps looking like they appear capable.
he was actually pretty damn good in the first half the year he spent with them but i believe fatigue really hurt his performance in the 2nd half. And I think the biggest reason I’m not terribly upset with this deal is as you said i fully expect a bounce back from lowe
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Lowe's poor performance last year...
…was mostly due to a ridiculously high BABIP against, which should return to the mean with a slight raise from Lowe’s average due to the Braves iffy infield defense. I would expect a 3.50-4.20 ERA or thereabouts. He should be fine.
um not sure why you felt the need to tell me since i said lowe would bounce back
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was agreeing with you.
And giving reasons for the stat heads. No disagreement at all. Just a supporting post.
haha okay, sorry with everybody in an emotional tizzy it’s hard to tell what people are saying
by McCann's the Man on Dec 23, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you can agree with stats too?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
If fatigue was a problem...
Then how is he going to respond when he just threw his highest innings in six years and pitched more in the first half last year than he did in the first half then?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not banking on it as a consolation.
It’s just the only possibility that makes any sense when you look at his ridiculous numbers last year compared to both his career norms and his career highs.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
After reading this
I went from mansack retraction to optimism. Really like the young talent coming our way and the freeing up of money to sign an impact bat (hopefully that’s the logic).
love the quotes
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
with Minor as the MORP?
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
reply fail to Mac's the man
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
in all likelihood yes as his ceiling seems to be a morp
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
ok, fine...
Let’s keep the prospects but flip Melky for someone else.
Melky to the Cubs or Royals. Both are still looking for a centerfielder. You can include Vizcaino even if you want or another pitching prospect. But please bring in an impact bat.
We might as well contact the Rangers they have some needs still and might be willing to send us Cruz in the right deal.
One may dream:
Nelson Cruz
Derrek Lee
Billy Butler ( we might have a chance as he has a high OBP a thing the Royals don’t like)
by Dutch Braves Fan on Dec 22, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Really to recoup the wins we gave up with Vazquez, we’d need to sign Holliday/Bay but we don’t have the money to sign one of those two and get a quality 1B
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions
We should have a nice young bullpen coming up with Medlen/Kimbrel/Dunn.
Melky is just wasting a valuable roster spot.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
How is it wasting?...
He can start until Heyward/Schafer are ready, allowing the other a full season of AAA seasoning considering they both have relatively few at bats above A ball. Then next year, at worst you can non-tender him, or at best get a return for the excess from him, Diaz, or McLouth.
However I will say this, if three of Vizcaino/R. Delgado/Teheran/Minor/Lopez hit their potential or close to it we could have a rotation consisting entirely of TOR guys with maybe one MOR guy mixed in (and they’d be cheap)
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions
forgot Spruill too. Braves have some very impressive pitching in their farm system, even if Minor is the only one really close to making an impact at the major league level
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
But I do!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Braves will flip some talent to the Rangers for Nelson Cruz, allowing them to still sign Adam LaRoche, giving them a pair of 25+ homer guys….and then maybe the Yankees payroll will drop below that of the Marlins, and the Phillies will contract…and..
don’t really want cruz, big beneficiary of Arlington. and laroche at what price? because what he’s asking for is way too much
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
so where would vizcaino rank on our prospect list?
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Maybe after Heyward, Freeman, Teheran, and Minor…
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by bwellnjonesco on Dec 22, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
There are some that put him right up with Teheran...
And he’s #3. So top-ten definitely, and possibly top-five.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
I guess it is more 4-5 inning Derek Lowe (15 mil! Nice work Wren!) starts and then wear out Wagner and Saito to suffer through this year. Nice work Braves! Why not trade Hanson for some Red Sox rejects while we are at it? YAY! 3rd Place Here We Come! God, I miss the 90’s! Now we are going to constantly be “rebuilding” like the F’n Pirates of the NL East! We need LaRoche and Bay or Holliday…
Not to mention...
with Bobby’s recently “crazy” managing style, I forsee a lot a guys on the DL this year from getting worn out. I can’t wait for more Kawakami and Lowe 5 run blowups second time through the order. I have never seen a team fight so hard ot keep from drowning and then the owner’s and manangment just stand on their heads. And if that isn’t bad enough..the F’n Yankees! Come on! On the extreme long shot that we even sniff the world series, then we’d get to Watch Lowe get Smoked by Vazquez. Frank Wren is a joke and the owners are idiots! Sell our team to someone who gives a F! Why would Lowe be mad? A million dolloars per win seems like pretty good money to me! We have become the NL’s Toronto Blue Jays! I’m sorry to rant but I had to…I am just screaming F!!!!!!!!!!!! So far we’ve lost 3 kick ass pitchers and still have no “impact” (whatever that means) bat at first or the outfield! Dammit!
Vazquez has a 10.34 ERA in the postseason over. Lowe has a 3.33 (including a seven-inning shutout in the World Series.) Yeah, Lowe’ll definitely get Smoked!
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
And Lowe told the press that he is seriously pissed off about being shopped around, even though he also admitted that he was powerless to fix his problem this past season despite knowing exactly what it was. So the Braves have kept their most expensive pitcher, who now has a bad attitude about being here, and traded one of their best for an ordinary outfielder. As I’ve said before, the current situation is a far cry from the Ted Turner years when we’d be talking about how long to re-sign Vazquez now. Now we’re not even pretending to be able to re-sign guys like him.
He's got 3 years left here...
probably is the opening day, or if Hudson (cause you know Bobby is going with one of the two vets provided they are healthy through spring) the day 2 starter. He has plenty of friends in the locker room, and will get over it when he sees a potential playoff run in his face and a good young roster around him for the next 3 years. He’s getting $15m to pitch on a potential playoff team for a manager who’s good and making vets happy, he’ll be fine.
Yeah, I don't see why Lowe should be pissed anymore.
He seemed frustrated because he wanted to stay and mouthed off about it. He got exactly what he wanted. I don’t see why he would be annoyed anymore.
Yes, it will suck to "suffer through" two solid veteran pitchers who haven't had a bad season between them since 2000.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
for the last two seasons we have needed power
and we have so far failed to bring in an impact bat
by carolinabrave89 on Dec 22, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions
since they’re just lying around waiting to be scooped up? Now you can be pissed at the alternative, bringing in guys like Kotchman and Anderson, but let’s not make finding a star hitter at an affordable price into a seemingly easy task
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
there’s a reason adam dunn came cheap, he has a legitimate claim to being the worst fielder in all of baseball. Every run he gives you at the plate, he gives back in the field
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's more than a legitimate claim.
It is pretty much a given. He has a legitimate claim to being the worst fielder in the past 50 years. He really is that bad. I feel for him really—-he tries his best and works hard at it; he just isn’t any good at it. (And that’s putting it nicely.)
Is the market for good SP down or somethin??? Phillies didn’t get much for Lee, i mean Vizcaino looks nice and all but he is a longgggg way away so who knows. Jays got a good bit for Halladay but either GM’s aren’t waitin long enough or the market is just flat out down for SP at the price range of Vaz and Lee are makin this year. I just thought we could have gotten a impact bat straight up for Vaz or somethin, maybe Wren has somethin up his sleeve…
braves#1
I think it’s just the market on players with a one year deal only is down, teams simply aren’t willing to give up a lot of controllable talent for a presumed rental anymore
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I like Melky
He may have slept with a porn star, so he has some personal issues, but he played well last year. As usual, he played great defense, and he also was clutch for the Yankees. It seemed like he always came up with the big hit. I don’t know much about the pitchers, but it seems like we got a good deal.
Me too
He has no better than league average power and on base skills, but hey, he slept with a porn star.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Still want to punch Frank Wren in the face, Joe?
I know I do.
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One ray of hope with Melky
In 297 career PA batting leadoff Melky has hit:
.290/.373/.408 with 10SB
Sometimes stats like that are just noise and sometimes players just hit better in certain spots of the lineup (see Escobar, Yunel)
He also would be 864% better than GA defensively was in LF last year.
He may have slept with a porn star, so he has some personal issues
I guess I have issues, cause there are more than a few porn stars I’d gladly sleep with. Protected of course.
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by cbwilk on Dec 22, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Protection is always a deal breaker. I might get another chance to bang a porn star, but I definitely won’t get another life if I get AIDS. Or a baby.
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I dunno, I don’t think I’d ever sleep with a porn star. I’m pretty sure their STDs have achieved condom resistance.
Actully,
Only about 12% of porn stars have STD’s. At least that’s what I’ve heard.
Man, I can’t believe we’re having this discussion on a Braves blog. This is weird, but awesome!
Stick around...
There were some pretty epic hot chick threads this summer.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Since when is sleeping with a porn star a personal issue.
I say kudos.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
take it easy now chico
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Dec 22, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Mary Carey isn’t really a porn star.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
A politician
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=95
She ran for governor of Cali a few years back.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Dec 22, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why am I the only one happy about this?
We needed some salary relief, we traded our pitcher with the highest value that was expendable, and we got a great #4 outfielder who can play any spot there, can switch hit, and we got 2 very good looking pitchers in return for the future. There’s no way Vazquez repeats what he did last year, now we can work on our offense, which is the truly biggest hole, not that I needed to say that. We still have Hudson healthy, a full season of Hanson, Jurrjens, Lowe (who was better last year than most of you think), and Kawakami, stop complaining, this will work out for us in the end.
“there’s no way Vazquez repeats what he did last year”
Going to have to explain that one, it’s not like he pitched way above his talent level
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
he was i think the 4th best pitcher in the NL last year including Wins, ERA, K/9, IP, WHIP, all that stuff. And all of those numbers were waaaaay better than his career average, except maybe K/9, there’s no way he does all of that again.
by BravesRaleigh on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
And all of those numbers were waaaaay better than his career average, except maybe K/9
Exactly. That’s the only one you named that matters.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
thats the only 1 that matters? oh ok
tell that to greg maddux, his wasnt that spectacular
by BravesRaleigh on Dec 22, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maddux had very low walk rates, so his K/BB was still very high. He also got his share of ground balls. I didn’t say K/9 was the only pitching stat that matters. It was just the only one you mentioned that matters.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
oh and when i say that it wasnt way better than his career average
that means it was at his career average, he’s always been a strikeout pitcher
by BravesRaleigh on Dec 22, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
his FIP throughout his career has suggested that this type of season isn’t terribly unlikely, not saying he will have this continued success but “no way” is way too concrete
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
The one meaningful peripheral that jumped out at me for Vazquez last year...
…was the significant decrease in his HR/9. Of course, that made some sense, since he has pitched in hitters parks throughout his career. Now, pitching in Yankee Stadium next year, I imagine that will return to normal. I would have given him a chance of repeating 2009 this year in Atlanta (although not to high a chance), but it just isn’t as likely in New York. That park magnifies his biggest problem.
His HR/9 dropped because he cut down on the fly balls he surrendered. His HR/FB was an increase from the previous year, and not far off his career average.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
so if that low FB% is repeated, his HR/9 will again be below his career average unless Yankee’s effect on his HR/FB is huge.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Given the differences between the Ted and
Yankee Stadium, his HR/FB will likely increase. How much that offsets the flyball percentage is an open question.
Really? Look at his career numbers.
He was ridiculously high across the board.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody have a link for the thing with Wren that was at 3? Nothing on the official.
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 22, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions
Yeah. I don’t know what is going on. I received an email about it. It just links to the Braves homepage.
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Yeah, any updates on what was said?
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Adrian Gonzalez
I know I am dreaming big here since it is unlikely that Gonzalez is going anywhere, but could Wren be acquiring pieces for something bigger?
Schafer, Freeman, Minor, Vizcaino, Dunn for Gonzalez
We have cleared money and added trading chips. I hope Frank is at least making the call.
This is different
We wouldn’t trade that much for Gonzo without signing him long term. You say it is way too much, but what have any of those guys done to prove your point. Your assuming the best out of all of those prospects, but that is unlikely. We know what Gonzo has done in a weak lineup in a pitcher’s park. Bringing in Gonzo would block Freeman and we are loaded with upside pitching prospects in the low minors. We are trading from a position of strength to make our team better.
This is not different. It is the eact same thing. Tons of ‘blocked prospects’ for two years of a first basement we will ‘try to extend’.
Not to mention I’m sure Freeman is in the ‘next wave of talent’ Wren talked about not trading under any plausable curcumstance during the Peavy talks.
at least we have a good second basement.
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sign and Trade
I doubt Wren would make the deal without a long term deal in place. With Chipper coming off the books in a couple years, we could cover the increase on the back end. This would allow Heyward to slot into the 3 hole in the lineup after Chipper retires. You have to give up talent to get talent and you are overvaluing our prospects.
Am I overvaluing or are you undervaluing? I seriously doubt Gonzalez signs long term with us.
It doesn’t matter what we think anyways. Frank Wren has said again and again he is going to hold onto our ‘top’ prospects and trade the other ones and that the deals he makes have the future in mind just as much as the next year or two. I can bet you Wren doesn’t make that trade.
It doesn't matter if Gonzalez signs long term with us.
His value is in the next two way undervalued seasons. After that, somebody pays market value. Whether it is us or someone else is largely irrelevant. When you are a mid-market team the key is the undervalued guys, not the guys at value. If Gonzalez leaves, we get two draft picks and can sign someone similar if there is a free agent like that the year in question.
How about Schafer, Minor, and Dunn?
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 22, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Way too little...
…to even get the Padres to answer the phone.
Any word on what Wren said
at today’s press conference? Thanks
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Wren per DOB
Wren said Arodys Vizcaino had to be in the deal. He compared him to Teheran, said he’s that caliber of pitcher, and one of most highly sought international signings a few years ago.
I am really excited about Vizcaino. You can tell I like pitching specs can’t you.
I think i’m a little too excited at the prospect of a Hanson, Jurrjens, Teheran, Vizcaino, Minor/Delgado/Lopez/Spruill rotation in a few years so I’m right there with you
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Orgasm
and it had nothing to do with Mary Carey
I mix your Melk with my cocoa puffs, Melky Melky cocoa puffs.
by VivaLosBravos on Dec 22, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
That is a completely stacked and cost controlled rotation. Many of those guys may get hurt/flame out so we need to hold onto as many as we can so we can find hopefully five really good ones.
With about 6-8 guys with real TOR potential if you include Minor though, it’s a good bet we’ll find three to pair with Hanson and Jair. Especially since Minor looks like he’s close
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
that’s kind of the point of trading major league players for minor leaguers, future return. Yeah that doesn’t help us much now but that’s where the 9M freed up comes in handy
by McCann's the Man on Dec 22, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well let’s hope it does. I just can’t see anybody out there who fits this description of “run-producer.” If the team is out on Bay/Holliday, that leaves Byrd/Nady/LaRoche. Doesn’t cut it.
Best hope is a trade that no one sees coming.
by hoboken_wood on Dec 23, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
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