Not for Rivera! I’d ask for Morales and Reckling. Braves may have to include a mid prospect. This would still allow the Braves to make a big offer for RH LF.

…we have disagreed on many things, most notably Cameron, but this is a load of horse crap. Vazquez has the no-trade to the west in his contract because he wants to be closer to his family. His family hasn’t moved and he likes being in Atlanta. Since he won’t waive the no-trade clause, this is completely moot. I am sure the Angels or even the Angles want him, but it won’t happen. Vazquez can prevent it and he will prevent it unless Puerto Rico moves closer to Los Angeles, which I am pretty sure it won’t.

If I am the Angels I would tell FW it was Vazquez or nothing.

I think having to move a piece in this instance works much more against us than for us.

I hope he has more than one team to leverage these guys against… Otherwise we are screwed.

ESPN is so behind every rumor they put on-line and on their many TV networks. Vasquez is not going to the Angels b/c he doesn’t want to be on the West Coast and I would be shocked if he waved his no trade clause to go to the angels really shocked.
 
Just trade Lowe to the Angels and get some prospects from the deep farm system and acquire a 1B/Spot OF and be done with it.

Lowe for Swisher str8 up would be okay but I just don’t like the idea of making the Yankees stronger and still not that crazy about Swisher but we did inquire about him last offseason I believe trying to get him from the Whitesox and of course Nady wants to be a Brave and has let us know that through his agent, friends etc… Nady I would sign but Swisher is a better opition.

Lowe needs to go NOT VASQUEZ .

Come on Frank Wren lets get rid of Lowe already.

Don’t think this is anything to get to worked up over – obviously the Angels would prefer Vazquez, but it’s sort of a nonstarter with the NTC anyway. I don’t think that we could really get fair value for Javy anyway, considering he was one of the top pitchers in the game last year, so I’m glad that the NTC to the west coast exists.

This strikes me as being part of the the bigger haggling over Lowe, who in my opinion is not really getting his due for the quality pitcher that he has been and is hardly a “worthless mule.” He may be in decline, but he did not stink up the joint overall last season by any means.

Despite this, I’m becoming less optimistic that we’ll be able to get anything for Lowe besides unloading his salary. I hope that Wren holds firm, especially if he’s not serious about using all that extra cash to go out and sign or trade for a serious cleanup hitter. If we’re going to go bargain basement anyway, then we might as well plan to roll with all 6 guys, move KK to the pen until someone gets hurt, and wait for someone to get desperate. It’s not a good contract, but we still shouldn’t just get rid of Lowe for no reason if we’re not going to use the money for something else useful.

JJ for Morales and Rivera?

He isn’t going to L.A. because of he no-trade clause, I understand why they would ask for him but it just isn’t happening, no reason to even be worried in my opinion. They’ll either get Lowe or nobody but I don’t think we are getting Rivera for Lowe unless we eat some of Lowe’s contract, I hope I’m wrong though I don’t think I’d care if it were only a couple mil and they could still sign someone to play first.

What’s also funny is that I read the article and some of these Angels fans are delusional, one said Vazquez would be there fifth starter in there current rotation and another said that Vazquez isn’t worth Rivera, all I could do was laugh.

Every GM in MLB will want Vazquez over Lowe.
Unless Wren consistently and firmly takes the position that Vazquez is not available and simply will not be discussed, he will never be able to dump Lowe.

Vazquez may not be Halladay or even Lee but for the most recent season, he was. He should be less expensive to sign going forward. Seems to me the starting point to ask for would start with the Phillies Jays trade…prospects #1, #2 and #7 plus cash or equivalent. They should settle for nothing less than the Phillies Mariners trade value.

The Braves are not trading both Lowe and Vazquez. It is one or the other.

They will be resigned to take Lowe for a prospect, and eat the salary… Braves will sign Javy to an extension… And why haven’t i heard any rumors involving the Braves and Adrian Gonzalez… I say ship them Freeman, Schafer, B. Jones level player/pitcher.. sign Gonzo to an extension paying him more than the 10 mm over the next 2 years, giving us the bat we need, and can do it in the confines of our payroll… and by the time his salary really increases we will have chipper, huddy and a few others off the books.

I know we honestly shouldnt expect Morales for Javy however thats the only player i would take in exchange for him.

a play-off team requires 3 consistent starters. this becomes even
more critical in the off-season.
Hudson may fill 1 of those spots yet we really do not know for certain.
Hanson, Vaz, JJ meet the criteria.
Regardless of picking up a ‘possible’ big bat, you don’t win series after
series without 3 solid starters.
hitters are likely to become available to the patient buyer as GM’s move to
an into ST and gain a more realistic view of their needs.
seems a lot of folks want to see a trade happen fast….them should avoid the
securities markets.

post season is what I meant, apologies.