Tim Hudson contract extension with the Braves essentially a done deal

by gondeee on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM EST in Free Agents Comment 27 comments

From MLB.com's Mark Bowman, here is the latest on the Atlanta Braves efforts to re-sign Tim Hudson:

Tim Hudson has passed his physical and essentially made his three-year contract extension a done deal. But the Braves may wait until the conclusion of the World Series to formally make this announcement.

Hudson and the Braves agreed to the terms of the three-year extension last week and then had to wait to find a doctor that the insurance company would approve.

David O'Brien reported a similar note this morning

The delay on Hudson extension resulted from the team having to find a doctor the insurance company approved of to do the physical. But they got the doc and Huddy passed the physical, from what I’m told. If so, it shouldn’t be much longer before they sign this deal and it gets announced.

Good. Signing Hudson is the right move. Now we get to endure a swirl of rumors about who the Braves will trade from the rest of the starting pitchers.

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and now, all we have to do is sit back and wait on Huddy’s agent to say that we never had a deal in place….

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

HAHHAHAHA

THIS

MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...

by nick9314 on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

don’t furcal us huddy…please…

"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly

by Hcgadawgs on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I thought we weren’t allowed to use the “f” word on this site.

by adc62 on Nov 4, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So yeah, who goes?...

or is Lowe the closer?

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Lowe as closer would be a pretty awful idea, given his K and GB rates. Think Chris Reitsma.

Plus, 70 IPs from your $15M pitcher isn’t exactly cost-effective.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 4, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But

We could have “GB-Rod” who is paid about as well as a K-Rod

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What about “Lights On” Lowe?

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

but neither would adding $6m to the payroll to fill a void that you could easily fill with any combination of 2 or 3 other guys who are already on the payroll.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

$6M? Who said anything about paying $6M to sign a “proven closer?” I’d rather let Sori and Gonzo walk for the picks, rather give the ball to Medlen, and see if I could trade or sign cheap and effective RPs like Wuertz or Nick Masset to help out.

But none of this addresses the primary point, which is that Lowe’s skill set (inducing GBs) is very poorly suited for 9th inning work.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 4, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Glad your not in charge

I agree that Lowe would not make a good closer, but everything else I don’t.

by Trek on Nov 4, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Which part?

Wuertz and Masset are very good, cheap RPs. Sori and Gonzo are also very good RPs, but they are not cheap and also have serious, serious injury risks.

I’m interested to hear any opposing viewpoints, as long as they don’t use the phrases “closer mentality” or “the 9th is just different.”

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This deal could work against us

If Hudson signs for the reported 3 years $27M then it makes Lowe that much harder to trade. It might set up contracts for the rest of the offseason for pitchers that are similar to Lowe. If Lowe was hitting the free agent market this year there is no way that he would get 3 years $45M. Teams that miss Lackey will probably go after players that won’t cost as much rather than trade for Lowe. The only way we trade Lowe is if we do a contract swap with him.

by jack dein on Nov 4, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Probably not, since the spin will be “hometown discount” and “coming off TJ surgery.”

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats how an agent will spin it but FO will take the approach that a good pitcher signed for less in a bad economic time.

by jack dein on Nov 4, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see that happening. Teams who need pitching (NY – both, Chicago, etc) will be willing to pay whatever it takes to land a good starter again this offseason.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s very unlikely that the Yankees sign any expensive starting pitching. They just spent a bunch on Sabatia and Burnett plus they have Pettite and they hope Wang comes back. The Mets will be after Lackey and I assume when you say Chicago your talking about the Cubs but there rotation isn’t that bad either. They have Zambrano, Dempster and Lilly and will probably try to resign Harden. The Lackey sweepstakes will probably come down to the Angels, Mets, and Dodgers. They have the money and need pitching.

by jack dein on Nov 4, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the same yankees who aren’t going to use Joba, sent Wang to AAA and have all but given up on the Hughes project need SP. I know that they are winning the WS right now, but with only 2 possibly 3 dependable pitchers next year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them get another starter. Besides, I am pretty sure that money aint a thang with them.

If the Mets are satisfied with John Lackey alone, then they are dumber than I thought. They have 1 pitcher on their staff right now that would be on Atlanta’s staff. Lowe would immediately be their 2nd best pitcher even if they signed Lackey. I would consider them Muts in MUCH need of SP.

Yes, the Cubs – the same team that always needs a SP. I bet they sign someone too….Lilly is fading fast and Dempster cannot be counted on. They are solid with Harden and Zambrano – assuming they stay healthy for once.

I think there is plenty of a market for a pitcher like Lowe.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know the Yankees always seem to have money to spend but they also have a few free agents this year in Damon and Matsui. Its unlikely they resign Matsui and they might let Damon walk to. If they do they will make a strong play for Holliday. They already have Sabatia, and Burnett to anchor their rotation, Pettitte is probably coming back. They should leave Joba and Kennedy in the bullpen. Wang was hurt most of the year but should be healthy next season and if he is that’s a pretty good top of the rotation. They’ll probably use Gaudin as their 5th starter.
The Mets need a complete rotation rebuild after Santana. They are a probable landing spot for Lackey. After Santana they have Pelfrey, Maine, Figueroa, Misch, and Nieve. I know thats not a great list of names but they weren’t that bad.
I really don’t see your argument for the Cubs. Zambrano was 9-7 with a 3.77 ERA, with 104 K’s and 46 BB’s in 28 starts over 169.1 innings. Dempster was 11-9 with a 3.64 ERA, with 172 K’s and 65 BB’s in 31 starts over 200 innings. Lilly was 12-9 with a 3.10 ERA, in 27 starts over 177 innings. Randy Wells is a was very good as a rookie plus they got Gorzelanny in a trade. They will also try to resign Harden.

Then you have to throw in players who are free agents and could put up similar seasons to Derek Lowe and none of them will get 3 years $45M this year.

by jack dein on Nov 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

u answered ur question on Zambrano by stating his stats…first off Zambrano had 152 Ks not 104…

09 was the first time he K rate went up in 3 years… his walk rate is 4BB/9… his FB/9 wen tup but his HR/FB went down.. his skill indactors outside of his K rate (whihc im suspect of).. are not good.

Lilly just had shoulder surgery and wont be ready until April…
Dempster isn’t that good
Harden might not resign.

they could use some pitching… if they were a collection of bad contracts

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 5, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

plus, the economy is much better this year than it was last year at this same time.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson signing is a good one.

Hudson was brought here to be the ace of this staff and it is time that he start peforming as such not to say that he has not in the past. However this all but makes the fact that Lowe and hopefully not Vasquez will be traded. Angels have alot of young power hitters to trade for and we need an outfielder and a 1B for sure.

How about this deal ?

Angels trade- K. Morales & Juan Rivera

Braves trade- D.Lowe and another AAA player or a Kelly Johnson type guy.

Both of these guys are young and ready to go, and D. Lowe could replace Lackey in their rotation for sure. Granted D. Lowe is no longer near in his prime such as Lackey but pitchers that are wrapped up with contracts are a big deal to teams this day and time. An their is no way that Lackey is going to resign with the Angels b/c he has already stated that he wants over $100 million this offseason.

I still think Vladmir is going to stay with the Angels as is G. Matthews Jr. b/c nobody wants either one of them.

I would make this deal how about you ? If your Frank Wren you make this deal in a heartbeat.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No way the Angels go for that. Morales is a 26 year old switch hitting 1B with good power. He hit .306/.355/.569, with 34 HR’s. Rivera is only 31 and still hit .287/.332/.478, with 25 HR’s in 572 atbats. That’s 2 fairly young players who are pretty good.
Johnson’s trade value is very low right now because he’s coming off of a bad season. If you trade for him right now your trading for potential. Not only that but they already have 2 guys who can play 2B for them.
Lowe doesn’t even come close to replacing Lackey. Lackey is 5 years younger than Lowe and is coming off of a solid season where Lowe is coming off of a disappointing season.

As for your question if I would make the trade if I was Wren. Hell yes I would it’s complete robbery but the Angels won’t even consider it.

by jack dein on Nov 5, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the Angels aren't idiots

Given Lowe’s contract, we essentially get nothing for him in trade. Certainly not two very good youngish hitters. If we made that offer the laughter from the other side of the phone will be very loud. I imagine Morales is untouchable and Rivera would require a lot more than Lowe and Kelly Johnson.

by cavebird on Nov 5, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

is everyone high?

this is a terrible, terrible signing. We have more SP than we know what to do with and one of the very WORST offenses in MLB. Let’s sign Lackey to a 5 yr 80m contract too and play all minor leaguers in the field. Have we learned nothing from last year? Jesus

by nathan rothschild on Nov 6, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs