Braves Rumors for Monday
by yondaime4 on Nov 23, 2009 5:58 PM EST
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There are some interesting tidbits floating around the internet today concerning the Braves, mostly coming out of Dave O'Brien and Mark Bowman.
Dave O'Brien speculates on who Atlanta might be interested in this off season. They are the usual suspects such as Josh Willingham, Carl Crawford, Mark Derosa, Mike Cameron and Jermaine Dye. One note that came through via MLB Trade Rumors is that Jermaine Dye would be open to playing first base. I think his bat could be a good fit with Atlanta if we don't resign Adam Laroche, and especially if he isn't the defensive liability at 1B that he is in the OF (which we honestly don't know if he would do well there). The problem would still be the same as with Laroche, however: how would we pay him?
Mark Bowman also weighs in on the closer situation, Adam Laroche, Adrian Gonzalez and Jordan Schafer's future with Atlanta via his weekly mailbag. I am a bit surprised to see him say that the Braves might trade Schafer in the offseason and I had fallen in love with the idea of a Heyward/Schafer/McLouth OF over the next 3 years, but if we are offered the right package I would be willing to move him. I hope they ask me.
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Anything more specific about the Crawford rumors?
I know it’s all speculation with a capital “S” but Carl wearing the tomahawk at the top of the lineup makes me salivate just a bit.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 23, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nothing really other than we are interested in him.
by yondaime4 on Nov 23, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It would be great to see the top 3 of next year’s lineup to look like this:
1. Crawford
2. Escobar
3. McCann
by SmithnCompany on Nov 23, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean
Crawford
Chipper
Escobar
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you mean
Crawford
Heyward
Pujols
:)
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pujols
pujols
pujols
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See my signature.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that might work too.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not so sure I like that top of the lineup.
Crawford has great speed and his baserunning is a plus since he has a 82% success rate. However, he has a lifetime OBP of .335 and that isn’t too pretty. He is a plus left fielder, so that is something, but he wouldn’t push McLouth to left. Personally, I prefer just signing Cameron instead—-Cameron is an equivalent hitter (slightly better going by OPS+ history) and he is a plus centerfielder, improving our defense more than Crawford would by pushing McLouth to left. Plus, he wouldn’t cost any prospects in trade or our first round draft pick. And his salary would be lower.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Nailed that one on the head.
by get swoll yunel on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whats wrong with an outfield of crawford, mclouth, heyward..thats a fast and good defensive outfield all the way around…
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very left handed
would be perhaps the one flaw
by cirela20 on Nov 24, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and cameron is better defensively than anyone you mentioned
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
…Cameron will cost less money and players in trade.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and crawford is a young player in his prime….cameron is not….
cameron doesn’t have too much more pop than crawford and crawford hits for a higher average, steals more bases, etc..
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 25, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford or Cameron? There's almost no way...
… and it’s because of money: Cameron just made $10mill. He won’t get it again, but he’s not gonna want a cut in half, either, since he’s a lifetime .250 hitter and 36 years old(!). Crawford – who’s signed through 2010 – may be available, but made $8.25 mill in Tampa and would command multiple high-value prospects in return. So he’s a double-negative.
by carpengui on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron just made $10mill. He won’t get it again, but he’s not gonna want a cut in half, either
What makes you so sure? Cameron’s been worth well over $10M in 3 of the last 4 years. $24M/2 is possible, and he might even get more than that. People around these parts are severely underestimating the market value of Mike Cameron.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because of the market...
The only way Cameron gets more than $10m this time ‘round is if they’re a bidding war for his services from teams like NY (either one) and Boston… and they’re bidding for Holliday and Bay. I know he’s a Quality Man – the kind that the Braves tend to go after – but face it: Wren is trying to unload contracts of that size, not add them. So yeah, I might go after a Mike Cameron at the $5-9m level, but (a) if I’m wrong and he gets over ten, then it won’t be in Atlanta; and (b) I just don’t see the pursuit of a 36 y.o. .250 hitter who just finished getting $10 mill.
I expect that Wren will wait for the Heyward era to begin (June, ugh) and see about a bopper that plays infield. The closer we get to March, the more pitching needs will demand that somebody trades for Lowe or Vaz — then we name our price. (By then we’ll all be up in arms wondering why nothing has happened yet!)
[My best-case scenario is Roy Halliday gets traded and the BJays then ask for Lowe for Aaron Hill… stop that laughing… come’on now…stop it….].
by carpengui on Nov 24, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I would love to see Carl Crawford in a Brave Uni……That would be a key cog that we are missing..It would give us some speed on the basepaths and he hits for decent power..If the Bravos can get some more power to go with him, then it will be fun!!!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We would actually have legit basestealers for the first time since Furcal left!
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford has never been a leadoff hitter...
much more often in the 2 or 3 hole, and I don’t like the idea of him/McLouth at the top of the order personally. Considering Tampa’s cash constraints though, I think sending back McLouth would be critical in a trade for Crawford (although I’d prefer BJ Upton because of a) right handed hitter b) younger c) less expensive in salary and trade package).
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 24, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE SIGN ADAM LAROCHE!! GET SERIOUS ABOUT NEXT SEASON. BOBBY’S LAST YEAR AND MAYBE EVEN CHIPPER’S TOO. EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO SIGN HIM TO A 3 YEAR DEAL DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU CAN’T TRADE HIM AFTER 1.
by SBURROUGHS on Nov 23, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you left your Caps Lock button on.
by yondaime4 on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how you can measure the enthusiasm.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 23, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUD NOISES!
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We'll leave the light caps lock on for ya'
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Putting a strike through "light" FAIL
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by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope its Bobbys last season
I was hoping that this last year was his last but maybe the team rallies around him this season…Bobby has been great for Atlanta but he has passed his prime…Anyway, i hope they when a championship for him going out!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its an interesting idea
Dye has played five games at first in his career, with one in the majors (2005). No errors, with a UZR/150 of 12.9. Not that a size so small matters. I would probably rather have Laroche, because he will probably hit the same if not better than Dye, and he always plays great D.
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He mentions trading Minor. In one of the other threads we talked about how you can’t trade a player until a year after he signs. What I didn’t recall at the time was that if you have a Player To Be Named Later in the trade he has to go to the new team by the end of 6 months. What this means is that someone like Minor, or most of this season’s top draft picks, couldn’t even be part of a trade until February.
This should in no way be taken to mean that I think we should trade Minor, just as a clarification of the rules for these kind of things.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we better not trade Minor
hell, we already paid him a huge signing bonus and drafted him earlier than anyone thought we should because of “signability”. might as well hold onto him.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 24, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Not really feeling the idea of trading Schafer.
by drumzalicious on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I second that emotion.
My feeling is we don’t know exactly how much upside he really has, but chances are he will be an impact player.
by fandave on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thirded
Wren may be feeling pressure to get back to the playoffs, but the FO needs to be patient and let Shafer get back to being a damn good baseball player and then in 2011 they could have a very nice core of young controllable players, that could carry this team for a number of years.
by JFP on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pee my pants if we got Crawford
but it would have to be part of a trade-and-extend deal. It makes no sense to get him for just one season. However, If we could get Crawford and then sign Glaus or Dye to man 1B for a season or two, I’d be ecstatic.
Crawford
Diaz
Chipper
Dye
BMac
Escobar
McLouth
Prado
That’s an incredibly well balanced lineup (L/R/S/R/L/R/L/R) and it lets us keep The Jay Hey Kid in the minors until June.
Sorry for the rosterbation. I’ve been pretty good the past few days. Don’t chop my manhood off. I know it’s a touchy subject on here!
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see Prado batting #2 than Diaz.
by SmithnCompany on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s crazy talk.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Prado > KJ
:)
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Prado may well be better, but...
…don’t undervalue KJ. He had two pretty good seasons in 2007 and 2008. I am not sure about the defensive comparison. Per fangraphs, Prado is average and KJ is poor. Per the metric on baseball reference, Prado is average and KJ is pretty good. I have no clue what that means.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That defensive metrics are inherently flawed.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Per fangraphs, Prado is average and KJ is poor.
I think you’re reading it wrong, UZR/150 rates KJ (-0.2) as a better defender than Prado (-3.6) at 2B last season.
by Lennox on Nov 24, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t feed the trolls…
:)
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again why I don't like all the advanced stats...
in the right hands they are good and very useful when used in context with other advanced stats. But in the hands of a fool like me (or many others), that little amount of information can just be dangerous.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that. I am talking about mvhsbball just trying to bait me into a KJ vs Prado debate…again.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw "sm" and I thought u were smoltzbeard.
But anyways, yeah, Matty D earned that 2 spot.
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I came.
lmao. Too much?
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask her.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena
For Jason Heyward. Would anyone do it?
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no no no
I wouldn’t trade Jason Heyward for anyone short of Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun or maybe Hanley Ramirez.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Longoria whjo I’d take over either one. =]
by graf on Nov 23, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Longoria too
I was just thinking of players at positions the Braves need. We don’t really need a SS or a 3B, but we could always upgrade.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a 3B. Chipper can't live forever...
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with that attitude...
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 24, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Nov 24, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright,
that right there is an interesting trade, and actually might hold water as legit rosterbation. My question is why would you make the trade- what are the pros and cons? Tell me that and I’ll weigh in
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Nov 23, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two one year rentals for the best prospect in baseball?
I’d pass.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they could very well put us in the world series in 2010.
Without a doubt.
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But
We would be losing a franchise building block that could very well help put us in quite a few world series. I’ll definitely pass.
by JFP on Nov 23, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a prospect, not Jesus.
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Nov 23, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a year.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha. he says that with the utmost confidence
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA. YESS.
I’m taking a screen shot of this. I will bring it back when Heyward is on top of the world.
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Nov 24, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correct
but he’s one hell of a prospect and you don’t give away six years of control over this type of impact player for two guys who A) don’t fit into the teams limited budget and 2) aren’t signed for very long. Its not good baseball economics and anyone who would make that trade should be for fired immediately and be banished from baseball for a mandatory psych eval.
by JFP on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not that sure about that....
…they could be enough to get us in the play-offs. Carlos Pena racked up a 130 OPS+ last year, LaRoche had a 123. That’s an upgrade, but not that big of an upgrade. Carl Crawford had a 113 OPS+ last year and a 103 OPS+ for his career. True, he would be a huge upgrade over Garrett Anderson, but we can get that anywhere. Wouldn’t it be better to sign Cameron and LaRoche/Delgado/etc. for approximately the same salary and get the same benefit without giving away the best prospect in baseball?
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should just stop talking about trading Jason Heyward
cause theres no way in hell the Bravos would trade him.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Fucking. Way
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
by nick9314 on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
So here we are again at the start of another week and Mark Bowman again weighs in on his guesses of whom the Braves are interested in. For me it is always interesting that these so called major league sources are mostly wrong.
Now with that being said I must admit that I am curious about J. Dye but not that excited. However resigning LaRoche would be nice but also not likely. We should be trying to trade Lowe for a couple of prospects and then put together a package deal and get A. Gonzo in ATL.
Who knows what will happen but I just hope that J. Dye is not what we meant by acquiring a RHH impact bat, LOL.
Nelson Cruz rumor is floating around again and the Braves are listed as first on the list for his services so who know whom we are going to get but these rumors are getting a-little crazy and we are not yet even at the winter meetings.
Go Braves.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So here we are again at the start of another week and Mark Bowman again weighs in on his guesses of whom the Braves are interested in. For me it is always interesting that these so called major league sources are mostly wrong.
Bowman has done nothing but shoot down rumors all offseason long…so, I am not exactly sure where you are coming from here.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is related to Andy LaRoche?
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got autographs from Adam, Andy, and their dad Dave this year in ST. That was pretty neat. Adam’s the coolest.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, i wish i lived closer to the Braves spring training. Maybe one year we could do a swap where you get to check out the AFL and I get to check out ST lol
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to go to AZ for Spring Training. I’ve heard from pretty much every serious autograph collector who’s done it that it’s better than Florida. Much easier, you get two teams sharing complexes which makes for more opportunities in a day. One of these days, when I’m super rich, I’m spending the second half of February and all of March going between AZ and FL.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course! they’re brothers- ESPN’s favorite group of siblings in baseball behind the Molinas. Ravech would always go apeshit whenever Andy (3B) would make an above average play that required him to throw to 1st when they were both in PIT
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t play baseball…
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Five bucks says Eli couldn't hit a 40 mph fastball
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 24, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take that bet.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So have Glavine try to blow one past him.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great, now Glavine will never want to pitch in Atlanta again based on your post.
Thank you sir for posting that. It made me laugh.
by Sparhawk on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
And a stern, leathery look was cast toward Talking Chop.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli
is possibly the most overrated athlete in sports.
by GouldisGold on Nov 24, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he couldnt hear you. his ring is too loud
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re my assistant. You’re supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Look who actually got a quote right!
:)
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont you talk about Eli that way. The kid is the truth
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Nov 25, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The most overrated athlete in sports is definitely Derek Jeter.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 25, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most important thing from that mailbag
The fact that Bowman seems to think that the Braves will offer arbitration to BOTH Soriano and Gonzalez. Always thought Gonzo was 100%. But it now seems like Soriano will be getting an offer as well. I would offer it to Laroche too. But I bet they pass on that and just offer to Soriano and Gonzo.
by NEBravesFan33 on Nov 23, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They’ll have to offer to arbitration to all players if they want to get any picks if those players sign somewhere else.
by jack dein on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
the odds of Soriano or Gonzo accepting is what…10%? Soriano is one of the best relievers on the market and Gonzo didn’t hire Bora$ to accept arbitration. I could see Roachy accepting arb. so he hits the market next year when the economy is better, but I still think the odds are 25% or less.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
When it comes down to it, these players and their agents have one week to decide on accepting the offer or not. That’s a risk you have to take with all three players.
by NEBravesFan33 on Nov 23, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
None of them will accept it but when they go somewhere else we will get 6 picks for them. I doubt LaRoche accepts because the Mets need a 1B and probably don’t have the money to sign Holliday. LaRoche is probably the 3rd best bat in this free agent class.
by jack dein on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
and it probably means that the Braves will draft 5 or 6 local high school guys who are signability picks
by JFP on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I want this for the off-season...
…it is boring and unsexy, but it works. Trade Lowe for a B-level prospect or two. Sign Cameron and a cheap first base guy with risk but power upside (Delgado, Glaus, Dye??). Then sign some live arms who aren’t proven closers for the pen. Let Soriano, Gonzo, and LaRoche walk—-with arbitration offers giving us five extra 1-2 round picks (LaRoche is only Class B so we just get one for him and I doubt we get first rounders for Soriano or Gonzo—-a team with a protected pick or a high Class A signing will probably sign them). With our payroll 5 million or so lower than last year, we can draft the best position players (maybe a couple of pitchers) with the picks and have the money to sign them. That lets us restock the farm system, have some financial flexibility for 2011 (the nice thing about draft picks is that it is bonus then nothing) and still be a better team than last year.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone keeps assuming that if Gonzalez and Soriano are signed they’re going to teams where we wouldn’t get their first round picks because of some other free agent signing by that team. I’m wondering, who are the guys these teams are signing? I could see the Yankees signing Lackey, and that would keep their pick away from the Braves, but who are the BoSox going after? They’re probably gonna be looking at Bay before Holliday.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we get 2 picks either way
if say, the Royals sign one, their pick is protected.
BUT we get their 2nd round and a Compensatory Round pick (between 1 and 2) as well. We could, actually, have 5 picks in the first 60. That, my friends, is what you call a haul.
and next year’s draft is MUCH deeper and we should have more money to sign kids above slot.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This. Exactly why worrying about not getting the other team’s first rounder isn’t that big of a deal. You’re still getting a ton of draft picks.
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by cbwilk on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it is only five picks
LaRoche is Class B and only nets one pick.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we have a pick so that would be 6
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have a first and a second, actually,
so it would be seven. Which is why I assumed that he was not counting our original picks.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason is simple and is why the Braves shouldn't sign Wagner
It is because, while they are good, they aren’t worth signing at top dollar and costing a team a first round pick. That’s why I assume that we won’t get a first round pick for them. Also, look at the teams—-15 teams have a protected pick. Of the remaining teams, one is the Braves—-obviously if we sign one or both of them, compensation picks are not an issue. That leaves 14 teams. Let’s take a look at them:
Yankees: Could sign one as a set-up man, but will likely sign a higher free agent.
Red Sox: Same as the Yankees—-could sign one as a set-up man, but will likely sign a higher free agent. (And, honestly, with their bullpen why would they bother at all?)
Tampa: This might be one possibility for a first rounder. Their bullpen is a mess and they aren’t huge spenders so a higher Class A signing isn’t likely.
Twins: Not being huge spenders and having Nathan, they won’t be looking at Gonzo/Soriano.
Tigers: They are more likely to shed payroll than sign a closer, but with Rodney bolting this is a possibility.
Angels: They have Fuentes but could still sign one. Still, they are already linked to Bay and have three guys leaving, and could easily sign a higher Class A free agent.
Texas: I don’t see them looking at Gonzo/Soriano with Francisco and Wilson already there and budget problems abounding.
Seattle: Another possible but not likely source of a first round pick. They could use a closer, but have limited money that will be needed elsewhere.
Phillies: They will likely stay with Lidge, but it is possible.
Marlins: Florida giving away a first rounder to sign a free agent. Yeah, right.
Cardinals: With Franklin in the fold and a claring hole left by Holliday, I doubt they spend on a closer.
Dodgers: Set at closer already.
Rockies: Street should be back and they don’t have much money to spend.
Giants: They are set at closer and need to spend on hitting, not pitching.
And that’s it. Basically the reason people are assuming that we won’t get a first-rounder for Gonzo or Soriano is that we probably won’t. Still, as someone else noted, a second rounder and a sandwich pick ain’t bad either.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we certain Boston offers arb to Wagner?...
considering arb rules, I think that would be something he could easily accept, and probably make more in one season from arb than he could over multiple through free agency.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with papelbon (sp?), saito and others in that BP, I don’t think they will.
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by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
saito signed a one year deal last year i thought …am i incorrect?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure, but I would think that they would offer him arb before they would BW…just because he would be cheaper.
I could be way off though.
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by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has an option for a second,...
but it ain’t cheap and they have several other options so it’s a question of what they wanna do.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 26, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they don't...
…I have no problem with Wagner, assuming the price is right. I still don’t like overpaying for the proven closer tag, but Wagner has done enough in his career to earn it.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really don’t think they will offer arb, they are not gonna spend 8-9M on a guy to pitch the 7th inning, they arent the Yankees (they spend money but usually intelligently)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even if the market is better, theres not way he is in a better spot than he is this year, with a couple teams looking for a 1B and he is the best one… that means he’ll get overpaid (most liekly)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they will definitely offer arbitration to LaRoche.
We would be happy having LaRoche on a one-year contract. Offering him arbitration is a no-brainer. The tricky part is Gonzo and Soriano—-we wouldn’t mind one accepting, but both would be one too many. If we are fairly certain both won’t accept, we just might do it.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche is not cheap
He made $7,050,000 last year. Career highs in runs, hits, walks; 2nd in dbles, homers, games…. pretty much the consistent numbers that got him that $7 mill. Therefore, he’s at least $7 mill to keep — if he loses the arb case. That’s tough to swallow — even though we like the dude. He’s 30 years old now – this should be his ‘money’ contract time.
by carpengui on Nov 24, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves have signed reliever Juan Abreu.
…according to Mark Bowman. Abreu, a 24-year-old career minor leaguer, spent the past four years in the Royals organization. He struggled with his control last year, erasing some of the optimism he created in 2008. He will be added to the 40 man roster.
Just thought I’d share that with you all.
by GouldisGold on Nov 24, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who gets dropped off the 40-man?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody...
They currently have 39 players on the 40 man roster.
by GouldisGold on Nov 24, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right. I forgot. So I guess we’re probably not taking anyone in the Rule 5.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like we ever do…
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by cbwilk on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
David O’Brien speculates on his most recent blog that the Braves may be interested in the role-model kind of effect Cameron could possibly have on Jason Heyward. What do ya’ll think?
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by Bravely going forward on Nov 24, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is not a role model. Parents should be role models.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron was a role model (or whatever word you want to ascribe to his duty) to Prince and Braun and Weeks in MLW
i agree Athtetes arnt role models to fans or people, but it does help to have veterans on you team guide younger players (provided their sole purpose isnt guiding the youth…. they have to be able to produce and Mike can do that)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 24, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with signing Cameron, role model or not. I was just throwing out an old Barkley-ism.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is contradictory...
…as Cameron has three kids. On top of that, he has written a motivational book for children with all profits going to his foundation to benefit inner city kids. All in all, a pretty good guy. I think the idea is a major league baseball mentor here to Heyward—-from everything I read Heyward is very with it and has very with it parents and it isn’t like Cameron would be filling a void.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus guys. Way to miss an effing joke.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t joke in the offseason. It’s only going to get lost in the rosturbatory glory.
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by cbwilk on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I want Mike Cameron over any other possible FA OF or guy we could deal for…unless it was a Ryan Braun type player.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 24, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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