Today's Braves Trade Who's and What's it's
First up from Jayson Stark. He says that the D-Backs may match up the best with the Braves:
Every indication is that the Braves have at least touched base with the Rays, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels and Yankees on Teixeira. But Arizona appears to be the team to watch. The Diamondbacks quietly made a big run at Teixeira last July, and they're in just as serious need of some major thump now.
An official of one club that spoke with the Diamondbacks describes them as having "definite interest." But while the Braves would love to wrest away Conor Jackson, it's tough to imagine Arizona dealing away a player it likes that much for two months of Teixeira.
The Braves also have attracted massive interest in left-handed reliever Will Ohman. And they might be able to move Mark Kotsay, as well. Or they could get hot, reverse field and resume their pursuit of Xavier Nady, or some other professional right-handed bat. But if the Braves decide to go for it, they'd probably need to reel in a veteran starting pitcher, too. So however it breaks, they could have a busy week.
Arizona is one of those teams we've heard has interest in Teixeira for several weeks. They are indeed an intriguing possible trade partner as their system has a great depth of talent and they have a first baseman in Conor Jackson they might be willing to part with... or would they? Ken Rosenthal has a bit of a different take:
The Diamondbacks have inquired about Teixeira, major-league sources say, renewing their interest from a year ago. A trade is unlikely — the cost in players would be high, the payroll bump of nearly $5 million difficult for Arizona to absorb. But the D-backs, under general manager Josh Byrnes, have proven to be a resourceful bunch.
The obvious concern for the D-backs is that they traded six prospects for right-hander Dan Haren and minor-league pitcher Connor Robertson, then another youngster, second baseman Emilio Bonifacio, for reliever Jon Rauch. The Braves, though, likely would want a major leaguer — first baseman Conor Jackson — as the centerpiece of any Teixeira package.
That's where this could get interesting.
Three-plus years of Jackson clearly is more valuable than two-plus months of Teixeira. Then again, the Diamondbacks would not bid for Teixeira as a free agent. So, the deal would amount to Jackson for a Teixeira rental plus two high draft picks. The Diamondbacks also could ask for other players back if they traded Jackson and prospects — and they still would have Chad Tracy to play first base next season.
The trade would be difficult to construct; the D-Backs also might want money included. One Arizona official says "there isn't much traction" to the Teixeira concept. Another says he would be "surprised" if the team landed a big bat.
Still there is a new take on the trade from MLB.com's Jim Molony:
The Braves aren't talking, but other teams say they are looking for a power bat and aren't interested in dealing Gonzalez. The Braves haven't completely shut the door on dealing certain players. They will listen to offers for Jeff Francoeur and Will Ohman and some insiders expect Teixeira to become available if the Braves have a bad week.
Certainly using Jeff Francoeur as a chip to get a bigger bat is a new idea, and a potentially risky one (with the potential to alienate some of the fan base) being that Francoeur was until recently billed as the new face of the franchise. But GM Frank Wren has not been shy about treating Frenchy like any other player regardless of his pedigree.
The common thread through all of these rumors is that the Braves will wait to see where the team is until after this weekends' series in Philadelphia. That series, combined with the series against Florida will tell us what to expect. Another factor in all of this could be the mounting injuires to key Braves like Chipper Jones, Yunel Escobar, and Tim Hudson. If those guys continue to be bothered by nagging injuires, or if they reinjure themselves, then Frank Wren and company may not want to take the chance they will be available throughout a run at the postseason, and that -- not the Braves record this weekend -- could be the determining factor in any possible trades.
Unless we see a key injury to some other first baseman on a contending team, the offers for Teixeira will likely remain low until just before the deadline. I expect that the Braves will wait until the last minute, and they will be asking for several quality players and prospects in return. After all, they don't "have" to trade Tex (in their mind at least), so they won't be bullied into making the wrong trade.
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Very nice...
...now Conor Jackson, that’s someone I would be interested in. He’s having a great year with the bat, and his minor league numbers indicate that he should have even more power than he’s currently displaying…and he’s walking in about 11% of his PAs. He’s an obvious downgrade at 1B defensively, but as a center piece of a deal…I like this quite a bit.
It’d be retarded to move FYF right now, as his value can’t get any lower. Ohman needs to be traded.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they could get Jackson that would be a great deal for Tex.
by gopherbroke on Jul 24, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to trade Tex. With the risk of only getting a supplemental pick and 2nd round pick, you just have to trade him. And they can’t sit there and ask for a first baseman back. Why? Can they honestly not get that this offseason. If they get the prospects in return, then they can swing more prospects for a hitter this winter. Perfect scenario: The D-Backs decide to go for it and trade Scherzer and Parker to us for Tex.
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure someone put up the list of Free Agent 1B and it almost made me cry. Aside from Tex I think every one of the them was over 30 years old…Casey Blake was like the only one I would have been interested in (beard battle, anyone?)
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be possible to swing a deal this offseason to add a 1b for next year. A stop gap type. Dont really know who is out there off the top of my head. Flowers/Freeman/Heyward could easily be ready for the start of 2010
by gopherbroke on Jul 24, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See below.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we could trade for a furst baseman
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t everyone all up in arms about the fact that trading for stop-gap players is too “short-sighted” for the Braves to be doing anymore?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s never going to happen. And there’s little risk we only get a supplemental pick and a 2nd rounder as Baltimore and Seattle are the only rumored destinations for him that will pick in protected spots, and who seriously expects those teams to outbid the Mets, Angels, and Yankees for him?
I’d trade Tex straight up for Jackson, largely because we’d get three years of control of Jackson for what is essentially two months of worthless production from Tex and the two picks. Jackson’s current production is sustainable (surprisingly; I’ve never been a fan of contact hitting first baseman) and you can do worse than three years of 314/399/488 at arbitration prices. He’s entering what should be his peak too. The defense is miserable at with RZR of .674 (2nd last among qualifiers), though he was in the middle of the pack in 2007 and near the bottom in 2006; his Rate from BP has been steady at 96, 97, 95 the past three years. All in all, he’s an adequate filler at first base and will bridge the gap between Tex and Heyward/Freeman perfectly and at a low price.
by 17843 on Jul 24, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I’d go Connor Jackson for Tex straight up. I have him on my fantasy team, and he just keeps hitting. He’s a lot like Chipper, good average, with some pop. I think he’d be great in either the #2 or #5-6 slot in the lineup, assuming that I guess McCann would move to the cleanup spot.
Jackson can also play OF, so if in a couple years one of our guys in the system is ready to play first, Jackson can move to LF or RF.
by skipcaray on Jul 24, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You considered him a contact 1B? His percentage of XBH per hits for the following years looks better than something a contact hitter would provide you with:
2006 – 30%
2007 – 38%
2008 – 30%
Chipper comes in at 30% this season as well. Not to mention the walks per plate appearance:
2006 – 10%
2007 – 11%
2008 – 11%
And those are his major league numbers. As I stated above he might have even more power that hasn’t developed in the big leagues yet. In a tad over 1000 ABs in the minors he ended up with .332/.423/.530 slash stats.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough…hard to understand whether you meant that or if you meant he hits a hollow .300
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well I can see where you could’ve gotten that.
by 17843 on Jul 25, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can get more than just Jackson
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am of the thought that Tex doesnt need to net a 1b in return, and we dont need to settle for just a guy like Conor Jackson for Tex. If there is a better deal out there that doesnt bring back a 1b i think they should take it, and worry about 1b in the off-season. Stick Thorman back in there for the time being.
by gopherbroke on Jul 24, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it considered settling to get 3+ years of Conor Jackson? I don’t think so…that’s a good deal straight up. Obviously if we can get more we would do it, but I would take that deal. The D’Backs will never do it, though.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting Connor Jackson for 3+ years for a 2-month rental for Tex is certainly not “settling.” Jackson is a great hitter, a lot better than Thor. We can’t ask for too much if the other team’s not going to have a shot at re-signing Tex.
by skipcaray on Jul 24, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is all true. I guess what i meant to say is if we have a better offer than the one for jackson, or Kochman, or whatever 1b it may be. We shouldnt take a lesser offer just because it includes a 1b. I too wouldnt mind the jackson for Tex deal straight up if that was the best we could get.
by gopherbroke on Jul 24, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think getting Jackson in return is fine. But I would want Jarrod Parker back in that deal.
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, People.
I’ll let Ken Rosenthal say it for me: “three-plus years of [Conor] Jackson clearly is more valuable than two-plus months of Teixeira”. Whomever suggested we could get Max Scherzer at all, let alone plus another piece, has fried their brain with video games and/or fantasy baseball. Oh, and by the way, check out the fact that the Angels are not included in the teams that we’ve “touched base with” [Stark] and that their own front office types don’t seem to think it’s a real possibility [Rosenthal]. Again, if we can get any of the young 1B that most of these teams already have in a trade for Tex, I’d probably be pleased.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that I brought up the dude with the wierd eyes, but you leave my Xbox 360 out of this!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 24, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough.
My apologies to you and your Xbox 360.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you think we could get for Tex?
I mean, do you think we would have to give more up more than just Tex. If a team has settled on the fact that they aren’t going to sign him, then why not factor in the two draft picks as well. So you aren’t just trading for Tex for 2 months, you are also getting two draft picks. Therefore, yes, Scherzer or Parker BETTER be in a deal.
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly.
I heard Brandon Wood and Robb Quilan from the Angels, which sounds like what people might offer. That’s one top (but flawed) prospect and a stopgap replacement at 1B. I wouldn’t take it (I’d counter with Wood and Adenhart for Tex, possibly looking to expand the deal with Ohman in it) but it sounds about right.
Max Scherzer is Joba Chamberlain Lite, man. I’d give up Tex for him straight up and be thrilled about it. Jarrod Parker looks solid, but he’s likely close to untouchable at this point in his career. The D’backs have given up a ton of prospects this season, but all of the guys they’ve gotten were to be with the team until 2010 at least, unlike Tex. That’s also a depleted farm you’re talking about, so they’ll be more cautious about their remaining top prospects. Besides, this is all sportswriter speculation, unlike the other teams named in the articles quoted above. Conor Jackson and maybe some loose change would be more than fine.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brandon Wood and Robb Quilan is what people are offering...
Then count me out. I’ll take the 2 months worth of production plus the 2 draft picks over that.
About the Conor Jackson deal, the loose change you mention is pretty important; I remember that in the Tex trade last year, Feliz and Beau Jones were the ‘spare change’. So are you talking extras who have high upside but have issues or are in the low minors (a la Feliz)? Or are you talking extras who are close to ML ready but don’t have much upside and can be a servicable reliever next year or so (a la Jones)?
by soup du jour on Jul 24, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex Suitors.
If Posada comes back playing 1B or DH, the Yanks out of this derby. Likewise, if Big Papi is healthy, the BoSox are out. As for the rest, I have my doubts. The Halos are notorious for not trading their prospects, even when the world can see the trades they could make with them to correct them. They also have a logjam in the OF (more money than production, but still) that spills over into DH and they have a capable, young 1B already. Ditto for the original LA team, except the Dodgers don’t even have a DH slot to relieve the pressure building in their OF. Finally, TBmight make the most sense, but I’m sure they’d prefer to add a corner OF instead of a 1B/DH and there are plenty of options for that (Bay, Nady, Holliday, etc.) in the trade market as well.
Look, I’m not saying it won’t happen or that it shouldn’t happen, I’m just being as objective and realistic as possible here. Sorry to rain on your parade, but I think some of this trade talk gets out of hand in a hurry. Some of the comments I’ve been reading sound like they were written by Cub or New England (as in Yanks and Sawx) fans!
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so then we basically are going to get crap for him?
Come on man, some team will pay big. I’m not saying a package like Jackson, Parker and Scherzer, but one or two of those three for the best power hitter on the market who if you don’t sign will net you two picks.
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think...
We could get Jackson and change, maybe, but there’s no way you get Scherzer and it’s highly unlikely you get Parker. Worst case scenario for us with Tex is two draft picks; add those to the one we got for Mahay and consider the time we got from both of those players and the original deal was sound.
Not to mention, Salty has 55 solid AAA at bats this year and 81 amazing ones in AA last year, but he’s bombed in over 450 major league AB over that same stretch. Meanwhile, Elvis hasn’t learned how to help his team with his speed (30% CS) and hasn’t developed any power (.700 OPS in the minors). Harrison has fallen apart since being traded to Texas and I can’t even think of the other prospect in the deal. That said, it looks like Feliz may come back to haunt us, but he’s a long way away and you never know with pitching prospects. I just don’t think that trading Tex now is the only way to break even.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree. I do however think that it is an opportunity to come out ahead in the situation. I agree with everything you said, and would say if we could get good value now for tex that will help us a little earlier than the 2 draft picks it goes from sound, to a good deal overall
by gopherbroke on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotchman is anything but capable. Dealing for Tex would solve probably the Angels’ biggest flaw and set them up nicely for the postseason.
by 17843 on Jul 25, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This article did a great job compiling all the trade discussion. Thanks!
by davesawyer on Jul 24, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If anyone actually cares...
DOB thinks D-Backs, Angels or Dodgers for Tex. Prospectsd from those teams:
D-Backs: Jarrod Parker, Max Scherzer, Conor Jackson, and Gerardo Parra
Dodgers: James Loney, Andy Laroche, James McDonald, Chris Withrow
Angels: Casey Kotchman, Brandon Wood, Nick Adenhart, Jordan Walden
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 24, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally think it is pretty likely that we could get nothing useful for Tex. I mean we are in an age where teams value young talent over rentals anymore and people keep coming up with all kinds of stats showing that these rentals may not really help anything at all. Hell even the Yankees are holding their prospects like Scrooge McDuck. None of the deals that i hear being discussed feel like they fit quite right. If we get Conor Jackson out of this that quite literally fills our most glaring need in the 3 years because we don’t really have any capable 1st basemen in the minors above Freddie Freeman. I mean who wants to see us finishing the season out with Barbaro Canizares or Kala Kaaihue at 1B? Not I said the spider to the fly.
by yondaime4 on Jul 24, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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