Strikeouts for Sale: Free Agents Adam Dunn and Pat Burrell Offer Plenty
In this recent flurry of Jake Peavyness we should not forget that just as much as we need another top starting pitcher, so too we need another power bat in the lineup. This power bat should most logically occupy the big gaping void in left field and be able to hit cleanup and protect Chipper Jones. Whether it was because of a lack of protection or just random baseball luck, Chipper hit only four homeruns this year after Mark Teixeira was traded, as opposed to 18 when Teixeira was still hitting behind him.
Beyond just needing a bat behind Chipper, this lineup needs more overall power, and a bat that can be a threat in the middle of the order. Brian McCann hits well in the number-four spot in the lineup -- hitting .309 with six homeruns in the 43 games he started there -- but he won't be in the lineup everyday, and while he does have power and a high average he's not that prototypical cleanup hitter we need back there.
Enter free agents to be Adam Dunn and Pat "the bat" Burrell. They are the primary power bats on the free agent market this winter not named Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez. Now, it would be nice to have a Manny Ramirez on the roster, but for the king's ransom he's sure to command and the daily sideshow he will inevitably bring it's probably not worth it.
With Pat Burrell we would get a .250 career hitter (and he hit exactly .250 last year), 30 homerun, 90-to-100 RBI guy. Oh, and about 140 striekouts to a team that doesn't strike out that much (second-least in the NL).
With Adam Dunn we get a career .250 career hitter, 40 homeurn (and he's hit exactly 40 homeruns each of the last four years), 110 RBI guy, and about 175 strikeouts.
The strikeouts with these guys are an eye-catcher, but with big-time power comes some swings and misses. Both guys also walk about 100 times a year and have great on-base percentages, so they're almost pure three true outcomes hitters -- homerun, walk, or strikeout. To sign these guys it will probably take $14 to $15 million a year for four or five years -- a lot to commit to this type of all-or-nothing hitter (see Beltre, Adrian and Sexson, Richie in the winter of 2004).
Another possibility is that we use our trade chips to go after a power bat instead of a power pitcher. Presumably a power bat would be a cheaper buy than the premium that has been and will be paid for top-line pitching. (Of course, Teixeira certainly cost plenty.) Via Rowland's Office and originally brought up by Ken Rosenthal, the Braves may match up well with the White Sox and Jermaine Dye:
The White Sox also are expected to be in the market for a second baseman, with Alexei Ramirez moving to shortstop and Orlando Cabrera departing as a free agent.
I believe we have a second baseman in Kelly Johnson who is supposed to be our principle trade chip this off-season. Dye is a bit older than either Dunn or Burrell, and while he's not as big of a power threat, he is still a 30-homer 90-RBI guy, and he is more than comfortable hitting cleanup. He's signed for a reasonable $12 million each of the next two season, which means we wouldn't have to enter into a longterm commitment, which could clear the way for a Cody Johnson or Jayson Heyward to take over in 2012.
As much as we want Peavy, the better use of our trade pieces may be for a power bat. We could then turn our free agent money loose on the starting pitching market.
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure which option I would prefer. As a fan I don't want to see too many of our prospects traded away, especially guys like Tommy Hanson and Jordan Schafer who should be able to contribute next year. I also don't want the Braves to get stuck with an albatross of a contract. It's going to be a tough winter becuase there seem to be so many holes to fill, but it should be exciting because you know the Braves and Frank Wren are going to get creative in filling them. It's also good to know that there are plenty of options out there; either free agents or trade targets.
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Raul Ibanez
Personally, I would prefer Adam Dunn over Burrell. He is younger and certainly more durable. That said, he infuriated Reds fans with his inability to drive in runs on a consistent basis. Sacrifice flies are not his thing. He is also an atrocious left fielder.
What about Raul Ibanez? He has been a fairly consistent run producer in Seatle.
by dmack on Oct 20, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of "atrocious left fielder"...
…there are a couple of clips in another thread showing just how bad Ibanez is.
by VegasAces on Oct 20, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a whole bunch of these at Lookout Landing



by RainDelay on Oct 20, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
I can’t decide which of these cracks me up the most!
by VegasAces on Oct 20, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2, 1, 3
In that order. I can’t stop cracking up at #2.
by Bobby Cocks on Oct 20, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the absolute worst throw I've seen in my entire life
I’m pretty sure my 5 year old brother could have made a better one
by VictorW on Oct 20, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was crying laughing when I saw this!
by Jay212033 on Oct 21, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#2 just looks so unreal
That’s what makes it so funny
by Jay212033 on Oct 21, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even more unreal..
…when you saw that particular ‘route’ to the ball when it happened. I wasn’t there, but I was watching it on TV.
Horrible.
Ibanez can hit, though he’s due for a decline – but the best way he can help a ball club is to be in the American League and being a DH. In no uncertain terms should he be a starting left fielder in 2009. Period.
by RainDelay on Oct 21, 2008 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most recent fan poll at the AJC says....
Which of these potential free-agent outfielders would like most in a Braves uniform?
Bobby Abreu
Rocco Baldelli
Jacque Jones
Manny Ramirez
I know DOB or the AJC don’t know everything, but I think I remeber Dave stating he doesn’t think Dunn in particular is even on the radar for the Braves.
No commentary, just that really.
by secondbass on Oct 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
silly AJC
The only one of those guys who is a middle of the order hitter is Manny.
Abreu is close, but risky — I think we all remember how he fell apart in Philly.
Baldelli is not a power guy and a huge injury risk.
Jones is just plain terrible.
by gondeee on Oct 20, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left Fielder
I kind of like the idea of going after Abreu. I think he could be good in the #3 hole and Chipper could move to the cleanup role. What do you think? I mean he doesn’t strikeout nearly as much as Dunn or Burrell, but he also doesn’t have as much pop either. However, he does bring bring a high OBP and he hits for a solid average.
by ChipperTeixeira89 on Oct 20, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if memory serves, Chipper doesn’t care much for hitting cleanup.
by VegasAces on Oct 20, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chipper moves to cleanup then you’ve still got the same problem of needing someone to hit behind him.
by gondeee on Oct 20, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu, Chipper, McCann…not a bad 3-4-5. I know it was mentioned McCann isn’t the best guy to hit behind Chipper, but that was on the basis of being a 4 hole hitter.
by Bobby Cocks on Oct 20, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chipper...
….has made it known on several occasions that he prefers to hit in the 3 hole.
by RainDelay on Oct 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like the idea of trading young for old when we’re not in of those “looking for the missing piece” situations.
by VictorW on Oct 20, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are we worrying about?
Francouer has already said " I will not fail again." There’s your cleanup hitter.
by 10-4 on Oct 20, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Oh, God, no. He’ll set records for GIDP.
by TradeAndruw on Oct 20, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Options.
We certainly do have a ton of options. I’m not of the mind that we should do whatever it takes to get Jake Peavy, just that we should put forth an offer that is reasonable and let the chips fall where they may. If we miss on Peavy, we can certainly look into trading for a LF. Dye worries me a bit because he hasn’t been the picture of health and his production year to year has been a bit of a rollercoaster.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Oct 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the same thing. I personally prefer Magglio over Dye but I don’t know if the financials would make sense.
by scstrato on Oct 20, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye is 35, plays terrible defense, and would be controlled for only 2009 and maybe 2010 if he chooses to accept a below market $12 million rather than go to free agency. In short, he’s definitely not someone who we should trade Kelly Johnson for.
by 17843 on Oct 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. KJ is first year arbitration eligible and controlled for 3 more years. A young 2nd baseman of KJ’s caliber is worth more than an outfielder such as Dye. Dye would be more of a salary dump. Why can’t we just be conservative this offseason and keep our chips? Sign Garland to around $10 mill a year. Maybe make some smaller trade or trades involving B Jones, Lillibridge maybe Prado for either an outfielder or a starter.
by BravesFan on Oct 20, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could land him for some of our less-valued pieces, how would you feel about it?
by VegasAces on Oct 21, 2008 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d feel like we shouldn’t be paying a slightly above league average corner OF who’s 35 more than 10 million dollars.
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
by bigjoe on Oct 21, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree with that. If we were going to pick up the whole contract, we’d need to get something else in return as well.
(Please don’t read this as an endorsement of the idea, because it’s not.)
by VegasAces on Oct 21, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it would depend on who the guys we are trading are. However, the lack of team control past 2009/2010, his cost, and his defense make his value to the Braves a lot lower than it would be to an AL team looking to win in 2009. I wouldn’t hate a deal including two pitchers not in the Locke/Teheran/Hanson/Rohrbaugh group; I’d just wonder why the hell we were doing it.
by 17843 on Oct 21, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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