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Braves Third Base: The Now and The Future

At the major league level…
… third base is firmly occupied by the future Hall of Famer Chipper Jones – at least for as along as his body will allow him. Chipper will be 37 next April and his games played have once again gone down, not up. But Chipper has been the best hitter in baseball the last two years when he’s been in the lineup, and with his high average and good power he’s still possibly the best number-three hitter in baseball not named Pujols.

Chipper may also be one of the better defensive third baseman in the league, especially on balls he is forced to come in on and make a bare handed throw to first base – something he does better than any other third baseman.

The other component with Chipper Jones is his leadership. He is without a doubt the field general of this team, and that’s another reason he needs to be healthy and in the lineup every game. It’s unfair to say that the Braves must have Chipper in the lineup to win, but he certainly helps, and if we are to get back to our old division winning ways, then one would have to think that Chipper will be at the center of it (but he can’t do it alone).

The future Braves third baseman…
… It’s taken Jon Gilmore a little longer than some to begin to produce in the minor leagues, but after struggling early this season at Rome, he found his stroke in Danville. He is still several years away from a major league debut, but that should be about perfect timing to replace the Hall of Famer Chipper Jones.

Gilmore will certainly have to prove that he can hit above Rookie ball next year. He did a good job of showing that he is capable of being a great hitter at Danville, but it was a stark difference to what he did to start the season at Rome, where he looked completely lost. Hopefully, with the confidence he gained at Danville under his belt, he will continue to put up good numbers once he is promoted.

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More for future consideration…
2. Eric Campbell
– No other player experience more of a renaissance this year, and likely no other player needed one more than Soup. He struggled again with injuries early in the year, but once he was healthy he showed the power and plate discipline that we saw back in Rome in 2006. He certainly had a bump along the way – call it extreme growing pains – but some players go through that and it’s the kind of player they become on the other side of those growing pains that tells us who they truly are. We’ll know next year if Campbell has come out the other side as a ballplayer. With the talent he’s shown, let’s hope he does.

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3. Van Pope – He fizzled once again in repeating double-A, and other than above average defense he has not shown any plus skills or translated his talent into production. He gets listed here because of raw talent, but he may be irrelevant soon.

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4. Adam Coe – He continues to under whelm in both the power and plate discipline departments. He finished strong, but still needs to build on several aspects of his game.

5. Jake Hanson – He showed some positives at GCL this year, and is still young enough to have plenty of time to develop. He should find his way to Danville next year.

Photos of Jon Gilmore and Eric Campbell courtesy of Chip Jett.
Photo of Van Pope courtesy of CB Wilkins.

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for Gilmore. Isn’t there also a possibility of Hicks sliding over to 3rd?

by BlueVol03 on Oct 2, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was wondering the same thing.

Anybody got a good scouting report, or do we have to wait for the shortstop thread?

by 10-4 on Oct 2, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shortstops are tomorrow and Hicks is at the top.
Everything I’ve read about Hicks says that he’s a plus defender at short.

by gondeee on Oct 2, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though I'm rooting for him...

I can’t help but be dubious to the fact that he’ll be able to hit advanced pitching. From what we’ve seen of him so far this year, he’s a freeswinger and doesn’t take a walk all that well. I hope he proves me wrong, but personally I’m not ready to rate him higher than Campbell on the depth charts, and I’m not exactly high on Soup either.

Also, I disagree with: “Chipper may also be one of the better defensive third baseman in the league, especially on balls he is forced to come in on and make a bare handed throw to first base – something he does better than any other third baseman.”, specifically the bare handed thing. Chipper’s good at it, but Ryan Zimmerman has the be the slickest fielder in the majors, especially at the charge-barehand throws.

by soup du jour on Oct 2, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zimmerman led all NL third baseman in errors last year. Chipper may not be the best fielding third baseman in the league but he is very, very good at making that play.

by gopherbroke on Oct 2, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may be good at making the play, but he’s decidedly not one of the better defensive third baseman in the league (unless we’re using one of the better to mean above-average). He certainly rates behind Feliz, Zimmerman, and Wright.

by 17843 on Oct 3, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever watched Chipper play third base? You’re kidding me right? Nobody is better at that play than him.

by cbwilk on Oct 2, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gees I can't imagine anyone playing 3B other than Chipper.

Well I guess Pendleton.

Gilmore looks like he won’t be ready for at least 4 years or so. I don’t know much about him but his success in Rookie ball looks like it’s fueled by a high BABIP. Still very young and a lot to project though

Campbell looks like a nice player. I’d hate to be whoever replaces Chipper since they won’t be putting up .300/.400/.550 lines, and everyone will think they suck.

by VictorW on Oct 2, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

We discussed Vinny in an open thread a few weeks ago, and it was statistically concluded that:

Vinny for the Rockies – 8+ seasons, 2 tenures, 245 HR, 741 RBI, averages of .296/.344/.521. 4x MVP votes, 3x Silver Slugger, 2x All-Star.

Vinny anywhere else – 6+ seasons, shit, in comparison

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Oct 3, 2008 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts...

1. It’s funny how not so terribly long ago Chipper was raked over the coals for not being more of a leader on the field. I can remember fans and the media getting angry because he wasn’t a rah-rah type of guy. I was in that group, I must admit.
And to look where he is now – I don’t know if there’s a player around (except maybe Smoltz) who I respect more. Chipper is awesome, period. And he does make that bare-handed play like nobody else.

2. A note about Campbell from the Atlanta Journal. You can still go online and find last Sunday’s article about future stars of the Braves here, but in the print edition it said a little bit more. It mentioned Campbell’s suspensions and what not, but said that he was recently diagnosed with clinical depression and is now being medicated for it. That may help explain a few things, and kind of gives a little more hope for him having a future in Atlanta. From my pwn personal experience, I’m not a big fan of his, but when he’s got it going and he’s hitting, he’s an absolute beast. I do wish him the best and hope things work out!

by secondbass on Oct 2, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d be depressed if I were Campbell too. Seriously though, the Carolina League finals was the first time I’d ever seen him smile, so maybe he is turning some kind of corner.

by cbwilk on Oct 2, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Campbell smile? I’m gonna need picture proof CB. I know you must have one.

by jjcollins on Oct 2, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s on FB. It looks really awkward, like he’s never done it before, but it’s definitely a smile.

by cbwilk on Oct 2, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think it’s worth mentioning Richmond’s third baseman for the last four years, Wes Timmons. He’s probably a utility player if he ever makes it to the majors and he certainly doesn’t have the tools of a lot of players in the system, but you’re not going to find a guy anywhere who loves the game as much as he does or plays as hard. He really deserved a call up in 07, but didn’t get it and when he was talking about it at the end of this year he said " It (getting called up) will never happen". He knows that and he’s still talking about wanting come back and play a 5th straight year in AAA at Gwinnett next year. If he ever were called up he’d probably have a brief and not very productive career, but I can’t think of anyone I’d rather see get a shot.

by cbwilk on Oct 2, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Robert Marcial

That’s who I’d love to see get a shot. He hit over .400 for the first half of the season, albeit in limited action (which is impressive enough in itself), and he played every infield position, some outfield, caught a bullpen session or two and could serve as an emergency catcher, and works hard like you wouldn’t believe. He should be in AA this year, and I hope he gets a shot somewhere someday.

by secondbass on Oct 2, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t agree more; Robert is a great guy, about as class act as you could hope to find. I’m definitely a huge fan too and I hope he does get his chance some day.

by cbwilk on Oct 2, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KJ

I have said this before…but assuming Kelly Johnson’s arm is healthy I think he may end up being the long term ansewer at 3B for the Braves. He came up as a SS and was originally moved to 3B before being moved to CF after it was determined that he was not a big league SS.

I still believe that Kelly will continue to mature as a hitter and will end up being a 20-25 HR guy with a nice .360-.370 OBP. If the Braves can keep him and he continues to grow next year I think it would be a viable option for him to move to 3B. Given some of the dept in the middle IF for the Braves I think they have more depth to play 2B then they will to play 3B.

by calbers on Oct 6, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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