Braves RH Starting Pitcher: The Now and The Future
At the major league level…
… the new ace of the Atlanta Braves is rookie Jair Jurrjens. He did twice as much as anyone expected him to do in 2008, and with a little more help from the offense and the bullpen he could have won 18 games and possibly a rookie of the year award (I’m assuming the big-market Soto will steal the award). J.J. was counted on for far more than he should have been this year, so hopefully his arm was not overtaxed.
Another rookie surprise was Jorge Campillo. This non-roster spring training invitee from the bowels of the Mexican League (and the Seattle Mariners organization, which is similarly equivelent to the Mexican League) was forced into starting duty because of injuries are performed beyond anyone’s expectations. If he was on the Braves in the 90’s, his performance would have been the kind that would have catapulted the team into the playoffs and been pointed out as "pure Mazzone genius." We either have to rethink that genius moniker for Mazzone or attribute it to someone else.
The rollercoaster ride that is Charlie Morton needs to be leveled out. The success he found last year and continued this year was exposed by the inconsistent demons of his past. A dominant pitcher at times, he must couple that dominance with consistency and an ability to control damage – much like Jurrjens showed this year when he didn’t have his A-game. Experts have said for a long time that he is more suited to a bullpen role, but right now I trust him in a bullpen role no more than I trust him in a starting role.
Jurrjens should be counted on to occupy one of the top two spots in the rotation next season, and Campillo should not be counted out (as he was by many people over and over again this year – including yours truly). Campillo slowed towards the end of the year as his arm got tired, but with a good off-season program he should be ready to contribute more quality innings for the Braves in 2009 – though I still warn he could be a one-year wonder like Jorge Sosa. Barring some weird circumstances over the winter, Morton should find himself back at triple-A. And someday, Tim Hudson will hopefully return to us.
The future Braves right-handed starting pitcher…
… There is little doubt that we should see Tommy Hanson in Atlanta at some point in 2009. He rocketed through the system this season and put an exclamation point on his dominant prospect status with a no hitter at double-A. He’s the kind of prospect we desperately need in Atlanta to rebuild our pitching staff. He’s a power control pitcher – a rare combination.
In 138 innings between Myrtle Beach and Mississippi, Hanson struck out 163 and only walked 52… oh, and he only allowed 85 hits – that’s a .175 batting average against. Like many power guys he’s a fly-ball pitcher who can give up homeruns at times, but his overpowering stuff will more than make up for the occasional long ball.
It may depend on what additions to their pitching staff the Braves make this off-season, but regardless of competition, Hanson should get an extended look this spring training. He’s in the AFL this winter refining his game and getting even more innings under his belt. With the Braves in Gwinnett next year, Tommy Hanson might be the highlight of that team – and just a 30-minute drive from a call-up to Atlanta.

More for future consideration… (and a note: it was really hard to rank these guys, so many of them seem to have such good upside)…
2. Julio Teheran – Injuries kept us from getting a good look at what Teheran could do, but he’ll still be just 18 next year. A lot of folks are hesitant to rank Teheran high, but the reports keep coming in about his velocity and maturity at such a young age. There’s still plenty of time for him to break through.
3. James Parr – Like Charlie Morton the year before, Parr came out of nowhere to find his groove in 2008. Parr came out of the gate strong in his first two big league appearances only to struggle in his final three. He showed an ability to pitch in the majors, but he also showed that inconsistency that so many of our rookies have displayed in the last few years.
4. Eric Cordier – The most operated on man in the Braves minor league system may finally be ready to pay dividends. If he really is fully healthy next year, then I think we should expect big things from him. He got off to a great start at Rome this year before scuffling in his last few starts. He should be at the Beach next season with all the lefties.
5. Jacob Thompson – Our fifth-round steal in this year’s draft is another guy who may have first-round stuff. He’s a more experienced college pitcher, so I can see him getting all the way to the Beach next year. He will really be an interesting player to watch – to see if we did indeed get the kind of deal we think we got.
6. Randall Delgado – While Teheran got all the press, it was the slender Panamanian Delgado who turned most of the heads in Danville. At only 18, he handled the Appy League like a college prospect, ranking second in the league with 81 strikeouts (in 69 innings pitched).
7. Zeke Spruill – I believe the hype about this kid, and I think we got first round talent late in the second round. He did all he could to prove his worth by posting great numbers with great control in the GCL.
8. Todd Redmond – Probably the most consistent starting pitcher in our organization all year. He's not a "blow-you-away" kind of pitcher, but a steady control guy similar to a right-handed Tom Glavine. Of course, with a fly ball rate like he has, he may be more like a right-handed Chuck James. So take some of his numbers and some of his success with a grain of salt.
9. Deunte Heath – We’ll have to see how he does in the Arizona Fall League. I think he’ll end of being a bullpen guy. He’ll get to sharpen his spurs a bit more this winter, and he should find his way to Gwinnett next year, but he’s pretty far down on the depth chart if he continues to just be average.
10. David Francis – I’ve become hesitant to list guys just out of the draft in top-lists, but Francis, like a couple of other guys from the 2008 draft seem to have a different, more dominant quality about them. For Francis it starts with his exceptional strikeout to walk ratio – 69-to-17 in only 53.2 innings pitched, highlighted by his six-inning no-hit performance in late July in which he struck out 16. He may have to improve his performance against left-handers, who made Francis seem merely mortal, but all other aspects of his game seem very refined. If he can repeat his good work at Rome next year, he may move fast through the system.
11. Casey Hodges – Perhaps a bit too advanced for the level he was pitching at, Hodges dominated hitters to begin his pro debut, but scuffled in his last two starts – most likely due to a tired arm. It will be interesting to see what kind of pitcher develops from this late (23rd-round) pick.
12. Cory Rasmus – We haven’t had much of an opportunity to see this 2006 supplemental-round draft pick. He’s supposed to have one of the best curveballs in the system, but he’s been injured the last two years and was limited to only four games and 5.2 innings of work this year. He’ll still only be 21 next year, so there is time for him to regroup and regain his prospect status, but he’ll need to have a healthy season to do it.
Others: Ryne Reynoso (out of Boston College, he's more of an organizational type arm, but he had a great year at the Beach after moving back to the rotation); Kyle Cofield (he has consistantly and quietly put up decent numbers as he's moved up the ladder; he'll need to get the walks under control though); Michael Broadway (still pretty young, and he must be getting better because the team used a spot in Hawaii Winter ball for him); Paul Clemens (another intriguing young community college prospect out of the 2008 draft); Kyle Farrell (I repeat, yet another intriguing young community college prospect out of the 2008 draft)
... and no, I did not forget about Kris Medlen...
Photo of Tommy Hanson courtesy of Chip Jett
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What kind of stuff does each of these pitchers feature, especially Hanson and Julio.
We all saw what Parr features, and it is certainly not front of the rotation stuff. Do any of these pitchers have “ace” type pitches?
by dmack on Oct 14, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gondee, where were you saying Morton should’ve been in the pen when he was absolutely dealing out of a starting role in the AFL and in Richmond? Parr doesn’t have the stuff Morton does. I’ve never really heard expectations about Parr like I have heard about Morton (based on stuff). Are “the experts” anyone affiliated with major league baseball or with the Braves Org.? If not, leave “the experts” out of it.. I think its pretty clear based on what I’ve read and seen, that Morton’s injury may have effected him more than you know.. The guy was the top pitching prospect in the international league and still ranked in the top 10 prospects in the league at the end of the year..When he was called up he led all of AAA (PCL and INT leagues) in pitching. His decline in velocity has been well recorded.. I’d also assume his “stuff” was also effected.. So instead of stating the extreme obvious (quote::“"The rollercoaster ride that is Charlie Morton needs to be leveled out. The success he found last year and continued this year was exposed by the inconsistent demons of his past. A dominant pitcher at times, he must couple that dominance with consistency and an ability to control damage "”)
, just say that spring training will reveal what condition he’s in and how effective he’ll be.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"spring training will reveal what condition he’s in and how effective he’ll be"
Isn’t that stating the extreme obvious as well?
Here’s one expert I recollect saying that the Braves see him as a bullpen guy: http://www.talkingchop.com/2008/2/12/163151/164
by gondeee on Oct 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Goldstein
I don’t doubt kevin’s credibiity on a lot of things…but if you read what he said, you’ll see he was dead wrong… After the AFL Goldsein wrote this (we should agree). This was not even a full year ago.. The question was asked if Morton would get starts in ATL this year. KG responds saying that its not likely and that the Braves see him as a bull pen guy.. From spring training on, Morton was never in the bull pen. Getting 80 innings in the rotation in AAA and 15 starts in ATL.. His last outting in ATL was out of the bullpen because of his injury (keeping innings down), and because the braves needed someone to throw (Dessens was shut down, Ridgeway required surgery, Boyer was shut down). So KG was 100 percent wrong. He also displays no real knowledge of Morton’s stuff… Remarking on his heater and curve..Not mentioning his change (which was an out pitch at times in the big leagues, and a slider). If KG really understood or knew the Braves intentions, this would never have happened. I think Bill Shanks or even Dave O’Brien (who have relationships with the Braves and players) are much more credible sources (who infact have reported much differently on Morton) Bill Shanks especially has over the years.. KG was obviously not a credible source on this question
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blog from DOB last winter:
But it’s worth making a note about Morton now, keep him in mind. He could certainly be ready at some point this season if his recent progress continue, either in the rotation or the bullpen.
by gondeee on Oct 14, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's This?
How does this validate what you’ve said? It simply says he’ll be ready to pitch in the big leagues…
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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DOB’s post simply says he could fill either role if the Braves needed it… It doesn’t say in any way that he’s a better bullpen candidate
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, you questioned my assertion that the “experts” think he’s more of a bullpen guy, so that’s what I’m trying to defend. I could try and find more sources that have said he profiles as more of a bullpen arm than a rotation arm, but so too, could you. My writeup is a general feeling about Morton’s future, and both prospect people who talk to major league organizations (KG) and beat reporters (DOB) have said the bullpen is a possible spot for him. You obviously have a major soft spot for Charlie, and I’ll admit he’s a hell of nice guy, but when looking at our rotation options next year, he ranks way down there.
If anyone watched a lot of Morton starts this year, and I’m sure there are people like that on this blog, then I think the majority will agree that an injury alone was not Morton’s problem. His command more than his velocity failed him in many situations, something that’s troubled him throughout his pro career.
by gondeee on Oct 14, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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First off, I have no soft spot for him, but your comments about him were pretty much the first thing that jumped out on this topic.
I asked you what experts.. you give me Kevin Goldstein.. His comments were just flat out wrong..The total opposite of what he said happened. A kid who profiles as a reliever doesn’t do what Morton did this past year..
Through Morton’s career, he’s profiled as a starter..thats why he’s been starting his whole career except one (where he became a starter again anyway). I’ve never heard anyone in the Braves system say he “profiled” as a releiver..I’m sorry, he just hasn’t.
You said KG is your reference that Morton is a bull pen guy…obviously he was wrong.
DOB said he could pitch in either situation.. Not limiting it to either..This is due to the fact that he’s got a big league arm and could serve in either situation.
And on his injury: Were you there to diagnose him? Were you there to ask him how it affected him? Are you a certified MD? He went from putting up a .99 whip in AAA to having control issues. I understand through his career he suffered from lack of control, but are you positive of what his physical situation is doing to him? Why not just wait it out and see what happens? And what pitchers are the Braves so bountiful with that you can say Morton ranks way down there for a spot in the rotation?
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is you’re going to argue with whatever I say. And yes, I value Goldstein’s opinion as an expert and as a person who’s a whole lot more knowledgeable than you.
by gondeee on Oct 14, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KG vs Pro Scout, MLB pitching coach, and Pro Players
http://braves.scout.com/2/585802.html
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-05-20-0025.html
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/02/26/braves_0227.html
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Predicting Injuries
You’re telling me that two pitchers at the very tail end of their careers and Mike Hampton who hadn’t pitched in three years due to injury, weren’t more likely to be injured this year than you’re letting on tgthree? Glav never missed time I know, but there comes a time where there are more physical limitations (with age). Smoltz has a deep history of injury and is in the same boat as Glavine (in age)… I wish it hadn’t happened but I can’t say I’m at all surprised.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 16, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldstein was not wrong...
Just because the Braves let him start all year does not mean they see him as a starter. Kris Medlen started 17 games this past year, but that’s no guarantee that the Braves plan to have him start the rest of his career. Many guys go through phases as starters, only to wind up ultimately in the bullpen. Happens all the time. Who do you have on record as saying that Morton will always and forever be a starting pitcher? I’m sure the Braves would love that, but he may just not be good enough. He said it wasn’t likely that Morton would get starts because he never imagined that the Braves would have the kinds of injuries that they had.
Also, he wasn’t WRONG to leave out a comment about Morton’s changeup. He believed it was most important to focus on the fastball and the curveball…that doesn’t make him wrong. Goldstein is as credible a source as you’re going to find, even on this issue. You want to stretch the truth and read all kinds of stuff into his words, go ahead. But if you do that, it’s YOUR credibility that’s getting destroyed, not his.
by tgthree on Oct 14, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This question was asked to Goldstein Q: Does a guy like Charlie Morton, who had a great AFL season, really have a chance to be a major league starter for the Braves?
His answer: A: I think the Braves see him as a reliever at this point, but yet, he does have big league potential. The arm strength has always been there, and he has a very good breaking ball – it’s the step forward in command that has Braves officials hopeful.
tgthree, you’re telling me that they were eyeing him as a bullpen guy (who started his whole career except 07 then he was put back into the starting role in august of 07, started in the AFL where he dealt, 80 innings in AAA where he lead all of AAA pitching), who just so happened to get called up in June and made 15 big league starts in the process? So Jeff Ridgeway (who was pitching horribly in AAA) was called up before Morton. You don’t know how many times Morton was almost called up (jo jo’s blisters, JJ’s ankle, campillo’s blister, Glav’s elbow). With all due respect, what are you smoking? Goldsteins response is black and white. He says he thinks they don’t view him as a starter.. Jose Ascanio profiled as a bull pen guy, Joey Devine profiled as a bullpen guy (and they each made starts in the minor leagues), but neither of these guys ever started a single game in the show, let alone 15 in a half a season where an injury sidelined Morton. And no crap some guys start as starters then are moved to the pen, but thats not even what I’m talking about. If that’s what happens, then so be it, but thats not what this discusion was even about. Gondee made the remark that “the experts” have long said that Morton is a bull pen candidate.
And Kris Medlen is a starting pitcher possibility. You see guys who have big league stuff get moved to the rotation (just like Morton last year) because of what is going on at the big league level. If guys are getting hurt in the MLB, you’ll see it trickle down, and that’s what is happening. Supply and demand sir.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 15, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Gondee
If you’re so sure that you’re knowledge and experience surpass mine, I’d love to hear how much time you and Goldstein have combined between the lines of a professional baseball diamond, or how much time either of you have as scouts of the MLB scouting bureau or any MLB teams
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 15, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is ridiculous...
There are a ton of people that play baseball every single day, who don’t know the first thing about player analysis. Goldstein has contacts across the industry, so while he’s not a scout himself, he talks extensively with the scouting community from all 30 teams. Baseball Prospectus is one of the greatest baseball think tanks around…you think they just let some schmo with no baseball knowledge post unfounded crap about prospects? Yeah, that’d be great for their reputation (to say nothing of their subscription numbers).
What’s great is that you make this accusatory comment without actually stating your own credentials. The implication is, of course, that you HAVE been a scout or have somehow been affiliated with pro baseball. But you don’t say anything about it, so for all we know you sold hot dogs at Braves’ spring training one year. You want to challenge everybody’s authority, start by establishing your own (a little punctuation and rational analysis would be a good start, but that might be too much to ask.
by tgthree on Oct 15, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that people who have experience scouting players and evaluating talent probably wouldn’t be so defensive about someone disagreeing with them.
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 15, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tgthree
I mentioned Ridgway being called up before Morton, because Jeff wasn’t pitching well at all. The Braves needed someone in the pen.. Don’t you think if Morton was a pen guy, he’d have gotten the call?
And they are relevant to my case, because all three were profiled as bull pen pitchers, thats why I brought it up.
I agree with you that down the road, he might be moved to the pen, but the original argument wasn’t about that. You’re making the argument about that. Only time will tell about that, so why even talk about it??
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 15, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
tgthree, Gondee said that the experts eyed him as a bullpen guy.
He used KG’s quote to back it up
Gondee said that he profiles more as a bull pen guy
Neither starters or relievers fair well in the big leagues if they have control problems. So it’s fair to say that Morton’s stuff was the contributing factor in the decision for him to start.
If Morton was profiled as a bull pen guy, his career would have gone similarly to Devine’s or Ascanio’s
I don’t need to state credentials, I asked so I could understand where Gondee’s comment came from that he or Goldstein are more knowledgeable. I’m really curious. That question was for my knowledge, not so you could get a better understanding of my background
Re-read what I said, I didn’t ask if he or Kevin played baseball, I asked if he played or scouted in the pro ranks. Because there is a huge difference
I signed up to post because I saw a comment made by Gondee that jumped out and I wanted to respond, because I thought he was incorrect. I’m sorry to have offended you
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 15, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the guy who pissed in sourman's Lucky Charms...
…saved a little bit for whodunnit’s Cocoa Pebbles!
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 15, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't me this time
I swear (fingers crossed)
by scstrato on Oct 15, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the chat you’re talking about. I read it just like you did. I’m not telling you anything about whether they “eye him” as a bullpen guy. I’m just telling you that YOU don’t know what they eye him as, whether it’s starter or reliever or batboy. I’m sure they will give him every chance to start, but what happens if he’s just not good enough? I understand the injury issues he had and whatever, and I’m not trying to rule out the possibility that he’ll be a midrotation starter someday. The Braves will give him every chance to make it in the rotation, since a starter is inherently more valuable than a reliever.
I love this: “You don’t know how many times Morton was almost called up (jo jo’s blisters, JJ’s ankle, campillo’s blister, Glav’s elbow).” Maybe I don’t know, but neither do you. So leave that crap out. Goldstein’s response is black and white because it has to be, dude. There are all of TWO SENTENCES there. And he even says “I think the Braves see him…” This is just what he thinks.
You’re bringing in all these other players for comparison because you think you’re helping your case, but in reality you’re just illustrating your own ignorance. Jeff Ridgway, Jose Ascanio and Joey Devine aren’t relevant to this discussion WHATSOEVER. Those guys couldn’t have started a game in the Show, no matter what. Devine was a reliever all through college and started a grand total of two games. There’s no way he would have had the stamina to start. Ditto Ascanio, who started a whopping 10 games (across three seasons) out of 123 appearances in the Braves system. Morton, on the other hand, started games in the MLB because they NEEDED someone to pitch. Again, I’m not saying he’ll never have success as a starter, but it’s not guaranteed. The Braves would LOVE for him to make it as a starter, so I guess you could say that means they “see” him as a starter.
But while I’m sure you’re smarter than most of “the experts” out there, it’s not exactly a secret that Morton had looked like a bullpen candidate for some time before his breakout in 2008.
by tgthree on Oct 15, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job again Gondeee
There is one super sleeper RHP that you left off.
J.J. Hoover, 21, RHP, 6’3", 215 lbs
SCOUTING REPORT: The physically-mature Hoover has always been able to throw hard, but he learned to become a pitcher this season with the improvement in his slider, curve and changeup. The result was dramatic. Hoover led the nation with 176 strikeouts in 101 innings—a nine-inning average of 15.74—while going 6.4 with an Alabama-best 1.88 ERA. He made a major statement in late March when he fanned 23 and 19 in consecutive starts. His fastball, mostly 92-93 mph a year ago, was 94-95 this year on the Stalker radar gun—and 97-98 on the more liberal JUGS gun. A Pittsburgh high school product, Hoover has committed to West Virginia but has indicated he wants to begin his pro career.—ALLAN SIMPSON
by Jay212033 on Oct 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree here...
Gondeee, was this intentional or an oversight? Don’t get me wrong…I’m not trying to criticize. God knows I would miss somebody if I tried to do this. I think the Braves were very excited to sign this guy on August 15th (negotiations went right down to the wire), so is there a reason he didn’t merit a mention?
by tgthree on Oct 14, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potentially an oversight. I don’t know much about him (yet), and I like to see at least a little pro ball time before I list him (he did have 4.2 innings worth). That combined with the fact that I haven’t or can’t recall reading too many scouting reports on him led to his lack of inclusion. But damn, what does it say about that 2008 draft that he can be forgotten so easily, yet a half dozen guys “should” be listed?
Jay, make sure you link quotes and scouting reports like that. If anyone else has any info on him please pass it along.
by gondeee on Oct 15, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Comparing Campillo to Sosa is ridiculous. No one should’ve been expecting Sosa to continue pitching like he did in 2005 – his FIP was almost two full runs above his actual ERA. Campillo’s FIP was barely higher than his actual ERA. Expecting him to pitch at the level he showed, or a bit worse, isn’t a stretch at all.
2. Might those recent draftees be looking good in rookie ball because they’re largely facing high schoolers? We’re talking about guys with two years of CC ball facing hitters straight out of high school
There’s good depth and projection here, both in the majors and minors. There’s not much reason to expect Jurrjens not to continue being a #2 starter. Campillo has shown he can pitch in the major leagues. Morton has solid upside and really just needs to be healthy and gain experience. Parr has back of the rotation upside.
In the minors, Hanson is one of the most underrated prospects in baseball in my opinion. He has an arsenal of plus pitches he can throw for strikes and just torched two age appropriate leagues. The peripherals are good (HR/9, BB/9, and K/9 are solid or better). Don’t expect greatness right away, but a projection of a low 4.00s ERA and 5.5 IP/GS seems about right. Hopefully he’s up by June.
I’m very interested in the seeing what Thompson and Teheran do. Thompson has mid-rotation 200 IP upside and could move fast if the Braves get him back together. Teheran just needs to sit on the Neftali Feliz career path and develop at Danville.
by 17843 on Oct 14, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many of those rookie ball leagues are composed mainly of high schoolers anymore? I remember looking at rosters all summer and being surprised how few dircect out of high school players there were. And you can add in a bunch of Latin players who might be on their second or third year of pro ball. I don’t think you can a blanket assumption that some junior college pitchers are successful because the majority of their competition are high schoolers.
by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This bugged me so I went and did some looking around. I looked within the division for the GCL Braves and the Danville Braves to see how many of the hitters on those teams were straight out of high school.
GCL Phillies-6 out of 21 hitters from high school, 29%
GCL Yankees-5 out of 20, 20%
GCL Tigers-1 out of 15, 7%
GCL Indians-2 out of 17, 12%
GCL Blue Jays-6 out of 18, 33%
So, just 22% of the hitters GCL Braves might have faced within their own division were straight out of high school.
Pulaski Mariners-0 out of 17 hitters from high school
Bluefield Orioles-0 out of 16
Princeton Rays-4 out of 13, 31%
Burlington Royals-0 out of 11
So, just 7% of the hitters Danville Braves might have faced within their own division were straight out of high school.
This is looking at the rosters today, well after the season and only looking at the teams within their divisions, but unless there are huge percentage differences on those other teams, this would seem to dispell the notion that Braves pitchers at these levels out of Junior colleges were at an advantage because they were facing mainly high school players. If anything they were facing other junior college players or Latin players with several years of experience or USA players with a year of two of experience, a few of the hitters in the Appy league were 24!
by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Accurate
Well said..
I think Tommy and Charlie are pretty similar (just to add on).
A healthy Morton has tremendous upside I believe..
by Whodunnit?4040 on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Vines?
Is he going to be on the reliever list or did he not merit a mention?
by tgthree on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No mention. I gave him a lot of thought, and I know some people are saying he turned a corner this year, but he had a pretty poor second half and for his age he hasn’t shown the ability to break through yet.
by gondeee on Oct 14, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hanson is most definitely going to get THE CALL sometime next year, september at the latest. he’s an absolute BEAST OF A MAN. i have a feeling that campillo is gonna hit a wall and regress next season, though his low walk total is a glimmer of hope. him and jurrjens gassed HORRIBLY at the end of the year, lets hope their arms are a little stronger now for the stretch run that once again won’t matter. there was really no silver lining for NOT SO GOOD CHUCK this season…high HR rate, high walk rate, high hit rate, low K rate…yuck all around.
as for the others…parr is a warm body for AAA and thats about all. teheran could be VERY special, but is still more raw than the steaks in my freezer. i like cordier & spruill a lot and am wondering what they’ll be able to do at the next level in 09. redmond could probably end up pitching in the majors as well next year, provided his mind is OK following his relief appearance in the playoffs.
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
by bigjoe on Oct 14, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything you said, except for the steaks in the freezer part. We all know your freezer is full of Hot Pockets and Hungry Man TV Dinners.
by drdonkeypunch on Oct 14, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanson's Stuff
What is Hanson’s fastball clocked at? Does he have any additional plus pitches?
Detailed scouting report of Julio Tehrehan would be appreciated as well.
by dmack on Oct 14, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BA had him at 90-94 with the fastball in his AA post-season scouting report. “good curveball”, “plus changeup at times”, “plus slider”. Says he can throw everything for strikes.
In the book this spring, they had him at 89-92 with above average life with the fastball. “nasty curveball”, “average changeup that continues to improve”.
He could end up with anywhere from 1-4 plus pitches, that will determine which kind of pitcher he develops into (#2 seems to be the most likely).
by 17843 on Oct 14, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget about Dustin Evans. He went through a series of injuries this season, but coming into the year he was one of our more interesting starters. He’s got the makeup and the stuff to be a big league pitcher.
by cbwilk on Oct 16, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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