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Why Andruw Jones WILL be a Brave Next Year

Hold the phone! How could we possibly resign Andruw after the year he's had, after being deposed from the cleanup spot, and after we acquired Mark Teixeira. He's a seventh place hitter after all, and not a very good one at that. This is a guy whose slugging percentage - a measure of his power - is less than Yunel Escobar's and every other regular in the Braves' lineup this year. We don't want to sign this guy, so who else would want to sign him, right?

The Interested Parties

Andruw and especially his agent Scott Boras want a contract similar to what Vernon Wells got from the Blue Jays this year - 7 years, $126 million. At least that was the thinking before this season started and the nightmare began for AJ. So they are hoping to get Andruw paid somewhere upwards of $18 million a year. When looking at what other teams Andruw could go to, we can take half of all MLB teams out of contention because their salary allotment is not suited to paying any one player that much money. What's left are the top-15 teams in salary (according to this site).

We can rule out teams that already have a center fielder, so the Red Sox, Mets, Angels, Dodgers, Mariners, Tigers, Cardinals, and Astros are out as possible destinations. With that elimination we have narrowed our list to 7 teams, which includes the Braves. Andruw has said that he doesn't want to play in a cold climate city, so we should rule out the Yankees, White Sox, Cubs, Orioles, and Phillies. That leaves us with two teams - the Braves and the Giants.

Even if some of the teams I ruled out become interested (or Andruw is interested in them), the choices are few and far between. Certainly the Giants may want a middle of the order replacement for Bonds, and Jones could fit the bill for them; and they do have a history of overpaying for underperforming veterans, so perhaps they have their sights set on our center fielder.

The Stark Factor

We're about to see how hard it will be for Scott Boras to sell Andruw Jones as the "top defensive center fielder in the game," when the centerpiece chapter of Jayson Stark's book painted him as "the most overrated center fielder of all time." GM's now have to contend with trying to sign a slugger who hit somewhere in the .220s and the added media and fan scrutiny of being called the "most overrated" at his position. Even if a GM believes that is untrue, the fact remains that AJ's defense has been tarnished by that statement, and if nothing else it may erode the dollars per year or the length of contract that any GM would be willing to give out.

The Maddux Model

So now the how of why Andruw will be a Brave in 2008. Don't get me wrong, we won't go out of our way to try and sign him to a long term deal or even a two or three year deal - not for $18 million, not for any length of time. What we will do is offer Andruw Jones salary arbitration. With two potential draft picks as compensation and teams like the Giants, Orioles, and White Sox finishing too low to have their picks stolen, the logical move for the Braves brass is to offer Jones arbitration thinking that one of those teams wouldn't be afraid to sign him since they wouldn't lose any draft picks in the first round because of it.

The general thinking by offering him arbitration is if he gets signed, then you've added two extra picks in next year's draft. If he accepts arbitration and he and the team do not agree on a contract, then through the arbitration process he likely won't win for what he and Boras would likely ask for ($18 million), and the Braves would probably end up giving him only a slight raise from this year's salary - something in the order of $15 million - affordable to the salary-increased Liberty Braves, even with Teixeira on the books.

In 2003 Greg Maddux was a free agent who many thought would cash in with a pretty big payday from another interested major league team. The Braves offered him salary arbitration so they could get the draft picks that would come to them as compensation for losing him as a free agent. The winter of 2003 went by and there were no takers for Mad Dog, so he and his agent - Scott Boras - decided to accept the Braves offer of arbitration and take their chances in the free agent market a year later.

Andruw's no fool, and neither is Boras. They both know what AJ is capable of, and they both no doubt believe that this year was a fluke. If that is their thinking and there are no teams willing to come close to what their asking price is, then letting Andruw stay in Atlanta where he is comfortable for a "make-good" year would make a lot of sense.

From the Braves' perspective, letting Andruw go and getting nothing in return for him may be a hard pill to swallow. Add to it that there is no one with experience ready to play center field in the majors in the Braves organization, and most other "reasonably priced" free agent alternatives would be a major step down from even Andruw's horrible year. My view is simple, no other team is going to give Jones the contract he's asking for, he likely wouldn't do a one-year deal somewhere he's not comfortable or familiar with, and the Braves would be fools not to offer him arbitration. If he does come back next year, the conventional thinking is that surely he wouldn't be as bad as he's been this year, and the Andruw Jones of 2008 would be closer to the Andruw Jones of 2005.

Before it's over I'm sure we'll all be sick of hearing about it - the daily Andruw Jones rumors - but it will be interesting to see how it unfolds this winter. Now you know how I think it will play out.

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I don't buy it
The scenario you suggest could happen, but I don't think it will. I question whether some of the teams you wrote off as uninterested won't in fact be interested. For instance might the Mets go after Andruw to play right field? Does Coco Crisp really prevent the Red Sox from signing Andruw? Teams know Andruw had injury issues this year and can expect him to return to his usual .260/35+ homers/100+ rbi next year. Shuerholz knows about the Maddux experience and won't want to get stuck with a huge salary for a player he doesn't really want and limit his ability to go after more pitching. I just don't see the Braves offering Andruw arbitration. The only way he is coming back is if nobody else offers him the big deal he wants and he agrees to come back to the Braves for 1 year at a discount with incentives.

by Ron24 on Sep 11, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah
as a braves fan who goes to school in boston, i wouldnt rule out the Sox. Im not sure about the organization, but i know fans dont like coco a whole lot and with jd drew on the books, the sox have proven they will pay big money for risky outfielders.

by Doghnut on Sep 11, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction
I believe under the new CBA, teams no longer give up their picks, so that is not a consideration for teams signing FA away.  Original teams still do receive compensation, its just supplementary round picks now that are awarded.  The eligible FAs have also been restricted to type A and B, and those groups have become smaller (top 20% of players for A instead of top 30% or something like that)

by abravesfan on Sep 11, 2007 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat
The way it worked last year was the top 15 teams (I believe it was 15) in the draft (or the worst 15 records) didn't have to give up their picks, but a team below them did. Unless that was a phase-in and it's expanded to the entire first round next year, but I think it's stayed the same as last year.

by gondeee on Sep 11, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's the old system
No thats how it has worked, and the new policy goes into effect this year... no team (whether pick 5 or pick 25) gives up their first rounder if they sign a type A free agent, though the team he is signed from will still be awarded a 1st round supplemental pick (2nd rd if a type B free agent).

it is on the same schedule as the draft pick compensation changes for unsigned picks, which starting with unsigned picks from this years draft result in a pick one after the original position next year instead of in a supplementary round

by abravesfan on Sep 11, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andruw will play CF
There's only a few guys who would play in center over andruw and they would probably be beltran and torii hunter, neither of which plays on a team that would be irresponsible enough with their money to pay $18M for a corner outfielder who hits .220.

I think you're limiting andruw's options too much in the hopes he'll remain in atlanta. He said he doesn't want to play in cold weather, not that he won't play in cold weather. Johnny Damon said he would never play for the yankees but all it took was an extra year and 14M. The maddux situation was considerably different. A pitcher, on the back back end of his career with diminishing stuff is hard to compare to a 30 yr old center-fielder in his prime years with an apathy disorder. Scott Boras will do what Scott Boras does best: sell high on tarnished product to GM's with overactive imaginations and bad judgement.

by kiteless on Sep 11, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MLBTR
has something about AJ. I kinda hope he stays too!
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by Chipper on Sep 11, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To the Nats?
Looks like Stan Kasten is going to make a run for Druw to move to DC: Washington Times Article

Quote:
But Kasten and Co. have insisted all along they plan to start acting like a big-market club as soon as they move into their new ballpark. Big-market clubs go after Andruw Jones.

I think we need to spend the big bucks on a reliable starting pitcher to round out the rotation, not on Andruw.  Willie Harris is a perfectly capable center fielder, and we'd benefit greatly from having Matt Diaz in the lineup every day in left.

by Lauren T. on Sep 11, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...
I would have never considered the Washington Nationals to be in the market for a marquee, high profile free agent. After all, this is the same organization that used to be located in Montreal, and the Expos were notorious for letting their own promising young players leave as free agents because they couldn't afford to sign them to huge deals (Vladimir Guerrero, Larry Walker, and Pedro Martinez come to mind). After that '94 strike shortened season, the Expos became the laughing stock of the National League; but things are changing in Washington. With a beautiful new stadium to call home and a growing fan base to support the team, it sounds like they're ready and able to make some moves. As that article pointed out, signing Andruw Jones to roam centerfield and bat clean up in that young lineup would be a great start. Despite the optimism the writer has regarding the National's pitching, I think their rotation will need tons of help. But a potential lineup including Andruw, Zimmerman, Dmitri Young, Austin Kearns, Wily Mo Pena, and Felipe Lopez should be able to compete in the NL East.

My point is that going out and getting Jones this offseason would be a great way to bring some legitimacy back to that organization. Would I be devestated to lose my favorite Brave player from the last decade? Yes. Do I hope that he re-signs with Atlanta this winter for a "hometown discount"? Of course. Should the Braves dish out a seven or eight year deal at $18 million or more per, especially after his dismal 2007 season? HELL NO!

~Scott

by ATLBraves4Life on Sep 11, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like Giles...
...I think Andruw's time as a Brave is done. If he stays he stays, but I really wont shed to much of a tear if he leaves.

by Rain Delay on Sep 11, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhh
I think you forgot about the Nationals. Apparently they might try and sign him.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/20892

by RehabReject on Sep 11, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really
I did consider them, and the Kasten connection, and they may become players, but there are other views of how to build up the Nats, and signing an Andruw Jones right now doesn't make much sense. That article is as much speculation on the part of the writer as mine is, so I guess either could come true or come to pass. With Bowden at the helm anything is possible, and he does like big boppers, but I don't think they're done developing and restocking that system. I would be shocked if they spent that much on Jones without any recognizable starting rotation ready to win games. Remember, the writer did say they "appear" to have pitching, but they really haven't proven anything by any means.

This is what I was talking about by "a winter of rumors."

by gondeee on Sep 11, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
Andruw will not be back next year. You are underestimating the ability of Scott Boras as well. I also doubt that the Braves would sign him long term. If there is a choice betwee Andruw and Tex long term, who are you going to take. They need to save that money if they have any shot at signing Tex once he hits FA.

by was385 on Sep 11, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I never said they should sign him long term, quite the opposite.

by gondeee on Sep 11, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that
which kind of proves what I am talking about. Boras will get a long-term deal, especially since Andruw is finishing off with numbers similar to what he has done in recent years. Boras would have landed him a multi-year deal before that happened but with a small sample size of good numbers, he absolutely will get it. This is the same guy who wrote a whole huge paper about how Damon was as good as Rickie Henderson right before Damon hit the market. It was insane but look at Damon's contract. Andruw won't be back. Even if he does go for something like a Weaver contract, JS is going to put that money to use trying to get a pitcher like Glavine if he hits hte market or Carlos Silva.

by was385 on Sep 11, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long time reader, first time commenter...
But since it's regarding one of my favorite Braves, I thought I'd put in my two cents.

The first point I'd like to bring up is Andruw's expected value, which is addressed in a well-written article on The Hardball Times. Based on John Beamer's (from Chop-n-Change) analysis, Andruw can expect a contract in the neighborhood of 6 years/$80 mil. There are a couple mitigating factors, most notably that 1) the current market causes an inflation of contract values (see Barry Zito), and 2) the CF is actually deep in this year's free agent class, with Torii Hunter and Mike Cameron as two other top-tier gets. In my opinion, he's likely to do one-up Carlos Lee's 6/$100 and get somewhere in the neighborhood of 6/$110.

The second point is something none of us know for sure, and that is if Andruw Jones is injured or not. As we all know, Scott Boras is a very good agent (again, see Barry Zito), and will tailor Andruw's negotiations accordingly. If Andruw was indeed injured this off-season, and Boras cannot establish what he believes to be proper market value, it is possible that he would be willing to accept a one-year arbitration offer for Andruw in order for Andruw to put together a season more in line with his career. This would then allow Boras to pursue the 6/$120 or so contract he thinks Andruw deserves.

The third point, which is the crux of gondeee's argument, is that the Braves will definitely offer Andruw arbitration in the first place. While Liberty has shown a willingness to spend more than Time Warner, we are paying roughly $40 mil to three pitchers, not to mention the salaries of Chipper and Tex. Furthermore, Schuerholz assuredly remembers when he offered arbitration to Greg Maddux, only to have Maddux surprisingly accept. With that said, it would be almost foolhardy for Schuerholz not to offer Andruw arbitration, if only for the draft picks it would bring should Andruw not sign.

With that said, I believe it is in the Braves' best interest to offer Andruw arbitration and hope that he comes back for one more year. After the Teixeira trade, the Braves are playing for 2008, and a normal Andruw Jones batting .263/.342/.498 provides that. While those numbers are not spectacular, a one-year contract of $12-$15 million would be great value. The other options on the table are 1) Torii Hunter, who is expecting an Andruw-esque contract for inferior numbers (he's a career .271/.324/.471 hitter) and is probably the number one CF on the market, 2) Mike Cameron, who while faster than Andruw, is an inferior player in every way (less power, less contact, worse defense, same strikeout king and free swinging mentality), or 3) Brandon Jones, who represents about the same risk of relying on a Scott Thorman this year. Given those 4 alternatives, Andruw for an additional arbitration year is ideal.

Should we not be able to get Andruw at a one-year contract, my strong gut instinct is that offering him anywhere close to 6/$80 or above is a huge mistake. We've seen Andruw at his peak, and it wasn't even that great (2005: .263/.347/.575). What I would be expecting is good but not great consistency in par with his career numbers, with limited upside but a huge downside risk potential. This year, he barely edges out Tim Hudson in batting VORP (6.8 to 6.1) despite having 500+ more plate appearances. That's downright disturbing.

There's a very strong chance that post-2008 will feature a Braves team with no Teixeira and a declining Chipper and Smoltz. The development of young players like Francoeur and McCann will help alleviate some of our losses, but in a division that features the Mets (Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine) and Phillies (Howard, Utley, Rollins, Hamels), an albatross contract like one bestowed an aging Andruw Jones is not something I want the Braves to have.

If you've made it this far, I thank you for reading.

by jc25 on Sep 11, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes
First off, welcome, thanks for commenting. I see you went with the unabridged version for your first post.

The injury thing is something that has plagued Andruw for a couple of years, and there are actually a lot of people around the Braves who are really concerned about it - though he hasn't completely broken down yet (not even close, really). Barring some sort of major issue between now and the end of the year, the injury question will not be one that keeps AJ from a contract.

More to the point, this season may have exposed the "mental" injury which prevents Andruw from hitting above .230. This should be more troubling to any potential suitor than a possible physical injury.

Anyway, welcome, and thanks for joining in.

by gondeee on Sep 11, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew 2008
I think the scenario described in the blog entry is quite likely to happen.  We know Andruw wants to stay  in Atlanta.  That could not be more obvious, since Andruw has made it clear in many public remarks.  This is made more likely by the fact that Bobby Cox likes Andruw, which is no secret.

We also know the Braves would like to get something in return for Andruw if he departs.  That means they will be sorely tempted to offer him arbitration, so they can get the draft choices (at least).  

Now the only collateral question is, are the Braves willing to let Andruw go without offering him arbitration?   If there was a major league-ready CF prospect in their system, then the Braves might indeed let Andruw go without offering him arbitration.  

Some fans might argue Brent Lillibridge is that prospect, but I really don't think so.  Yes, Lillibridge played CF in college.  But if you were the Braves brass, and if you were contemplating making Lillibridge your starting CF in 2008, wouldn't you want to see him play CF in your system first?  The Braves have played Lillibridge at 2b and SS this year, but not in the OF.  I think this proves Lillibridge will not be Atlanta's 2008 CF.  Moreover, Lillibridge is the kind of hitter who could be considered an asset as a middle infielder, but he doesn't have much power.  He can lead-off, but Atlanta already has Yunel Escober and Kelly Johnson, who have proven themselves as major league leadoff hitters in 2007.  So my suspicion is that Lillibridge might be trade bait for pitching.  But if he stays in Atlanta's organization, I think Lillibridge will remain a middle infielder.

Some fans may argue Jordan Schafer might be that prospect.  But Schafer is playing at Myrtle Beach, in high-A ball.  He just turned 21 years old last week, and I believe the Braves think he needs another full season (or two) in the minors.  

Therefore it might make a lot of sense if the Braves offer arbitration to Andruw.  If he refuses, they get draft choices.  If he accepts, they can stick him back in center field for another season at about the same salary, while Schafer matures in the minors.  

And since Andruw has been terrible at the plate this year, I really can't see anyone paying him anything close to what Boras will ask.  You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Not even Boras can do that.

Braves fan since 1958.

by Messenger on Sep 11, 2007 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lillibridge
"Moreover, Lillibridge is the kind of hitter who could be considered an asset as a middle infielder, but he doesn't have much power.  He can lead-off, but Atlanta already has Yunel Escober and Kelly Johnson, who have proven themselves as major league leadoff hitters in 2007.  So my suspicion is that Lillibridge might be trade bait for pitching.  But if he stays in Atlanta's organization, I think Lillibridge will remain a middle infielder."

CF and SS actually are very comparable positions offensively.  If you look at statistical breakdowns of each this year, you'll see only 1 SS and 1 CF have put up a .900 OPS, and more SS's than CF's have put up an .800 OPS.  That being said, they are both positions on the defensive end of the spectrum, and while Brent has proven he can pick it at SS, nobody knows much about his CF abilities.  I agree there is almost no shot he is in the mix for CF next year, only chance is they let him try it out in the AFL this fall.

I do disagree about Lillibridge being likely tradebait.  The braves have 3 SS, with Renteria, Escobar, and Lilli.  One is almost sure to be traded, and I think Lillibridge is the least likely of the three.  He has the least value (still in the minors, though MLB ready) and most teams would have the same problem penciling him into a starting spot that we know Bobby will.  He also has the ability to play as many positions as the other two, plus possibly outfield, and has significantly more speed.  I'm guessing he is on the 25 man roster as a sub and gets a couple starts a week to spell whoever is left at SS and others as needed, in a similar role to Escobar this year.

The only problem I have with the Andruw for 1 year scenario is where do we get the money to improve pitching? Tex will take up ~$12 million, which the loss of Wickman and maybe the trade of Renteria would erase.  But even if you get somebody good back for Renteria, how do you pay him, and even if you do, theres no money left over for any other significant pitching moves.  We showed this year our offense will be fine without a huge bat in CF, I'd rather address pitching.

by abravesfan on Sep 11, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liberty
Excellent point about our offense being fine without production from center field - that's reason enough not to overpay for AJ (and reason why other teams might not either).

There have been articles about Liberty increasing the amount of money that the club can spend on a major league payroll. My thought is that it extends up to the $100 million mark - that's an extra $10 million. Less Wickman's $6, less Renteria's $8, and that pays for AJ if he stays next year and still leaves room to sign a pitcher.

But Schuerholz always says to leave the finances up to him, so I don't know if I'm going to worry about adding up the dollars just yet.

by gondeee on Sep 11, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kelly Johnson never played 2B either
We have Kelly Johnson's example just this year that shows the Braves are perfectly willing to move somebody to a new defensive position they haven't played before. That Lillibridge has been playing infield in the minors won't at all stop the Braves from moving him to the outfield next year if they think that will help the team most.

It's more likely they will trade Renteria and have some form of 3 headed platoon at short and second with Johnson, Escobar, and Lillibridge (of course Escobar will also spend time at 3rd during Chipper's inevitable injuries).

by Ron24 on Sep 12, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...
they tried Salty at first.

by secondbass on Sep 12, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kelly
they did work kelly out all winter at 2B, however, before giving him the position.  And with he and Salty, they had both hit well in the majors before they moved them.  So while I'd like to see it happen, I don't think its likely, and certainly I don't think they'd plan around Lillibridge in CF.

by abravesfan on Sep 12, 2007 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He once played SS
 Not that hard of a move.
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by Chipper on Sep 12, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

andruw
The Braves can't worry about signing Andruw Jones. They need to sign starting pitchers. They don't even need someone spectacular, a top of the line ace. Just a guy to hold down the fort in the 4/5 spot. I think the Braves shouldn't worry about throwing away $15 million on an average hitter who is always at the top of the team in killed chances (GIDP & strikeouts).

By the way, if you even mention Mike Hampton...please don't. I'm sure he'll tear something next spring and miss all of the season. Thank god 2008 is the last year his contract is on the books.

by bigjoe on Sep 11, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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