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Oh Man, we made THAT Trade?

Via MLBTR:

According to Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio 1000, the Cubs have sent lefty reliever Will Ohman and infielder Omar Infante to the Braves for righty reliever Jose Ascanio.

Well, like I said this morning, I'm not too thrilled by the acquisition of Ohman. Infante is a 26-year old backup shortstop, so in him we get an average defender who can also play the outfield. He's no frills, but he at least might be better than Woodward was last year.

In Ascanio the Braves lose a young hard thrower, but one who was probably on the bubble as to whether he would make the bullpen next year. A guy like Ascanio can be considered trading from a position of strength, since we have plenty of young unproven bullpen arms. The fact that we filled two needs with this trade also makes it easier to swallow.

Here is more on the trade from Ken Rosenthal:

The deal, first reported by ESPN Radio in Chicago, creates payroll flexibility for the Cubs for other pursuits. Ohman is under contract for $1.6 million next season while Infante is projected to receive about $1.5 million in arbitration

We can afford the salary, and quite frankly we should be spending a bit more on our bullpen and our bench.

Omar Infante Stats

Will Ohman Stats

Jose Ascanio Stats

Update [2007-12-4 11:23:55 by gondeee]:

In thinking more about this, the Braves will have to clear another spot on their 40-man roster as they are only subtracting Ascanio and adding OhMan and Omar. I wonder if this means another trade to subtract a Thorman or someone else, while we acquire a prospect. Of course, I thought for sure we’d trade Thorman at the trading deadline this year when we got Tex, but that didn’t happen, so who knows if Thor is headed elsewhere or if someone else will be sacrificed.

Update [2007-12-4 13:14:36 by gondeee]:

Dave O'Brien says the team is going to designate Willie Harris for assignment, and that he is likely to make it through waivers without getting claimed.

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I'd do it...
Ascanio was just another number in the Braves' deep bullpen. I would have traded Ascanio for Infante straight up. Ohman's just a throw-in that will likely only be here until Gonzalez comes back, if that long.

Ascanio had no chance of making the team next year the way it stands now.  Too many guys like Devine and Yates are out of options.

Infante did start 10 games in CF for the Tigers last year, giving the Braves another option there.  If nothing else, he's an instant upgrade over Woodward.

In essence, Jacque Jones and Ohman netted the Cubs a minor league relief pitcher.

by kray1000 on Dec 4, 2007 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I like this trade, overall.  It means we keep Lillibridge in AAA to continue to develop, where he could come up if Escobar were to get hurt.  Plus, it sounds like the guy can step into CF occasionally.  I still have no idea who is going to start.  Maybe we'll give Willie another shot?

We get a lefty reliever who I'm betting will be above average (Bobby is really pretty good about using LOOGYs well)- I'd guess that Ohman's '08 ERA is 3.19.

And all of this for a guy that wouldn't have made the team next year?  C'mon.

by subwindow on Dec 4, 2007 11:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just hope
that Ohman has a better year in 2008 than he did in 2007.  That .325 BAA vs righties last year has me a little concerned, but if anyone can manage him effectively, Bobby Cox can.

by kray1000 on Dec 4, 2007 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Ehh, i like the fact that we filled two needs, that is definitely a plus in my opinion, however i wish we could have sent another reliever besides ascanio. The reason being is that the braves could have had ascanio as their setup man of the future, and I liked the fact that he had a hard fastball sinker mix, a good combo for a late inning reliever. Then again, I do agree they we filled two needs while dealing from a position of strength, so this can be considered a positive, and at least we did not give up devine. Still though, ir really liked ascanio.

Since we were able to fill two needs using one guy, that means that were are able to have just that many more pieces if we are going to make a move for a CF.  I think that the Dejesus to us and Chuck James to them idea will pick up steam today, and maybe we can add in throman to get a low level prospect.  Just an idea, but cannot wait to see what happens.  All in All, nice trade.

by bravessuperbeast on Dec 4, 2007 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure
if Ascanio would have been our setup man of the future.  He has nice pitches but hasn't shown enough for me to think that.

by taney71 on Dec 4, 2007 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad
Not bad at all.  I liked the little I saw of Ascanio, but to get a decent utility man and a LH reliever for him isn't too bad.  
Also, I like Chuck James.  I think he is a solid #4 in the current rotation.  I also think this supposed strength of the Braves is an aberration.  BUT, to net a David DeJesus for him would be very nice for the Braves.  Maybe I'm more bullish on him than most people, but I think DeJesus would step right in and produce pretty damn good numbers in this lineup.  Be it the 1-2 spot or 7 hole.  
Make it happen Frank!!

by NorCalAtlFan on Dec 4, 2007 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

terrible trade idea
dejesus for chuck?  why would that be a win for the braves?  chuck is a cheap, solid, #4 starter for years to come and dejesus will give us average production from center field for 1 stinkin' year.  you gotta look at the big picture. through 48 games started, chuck is 22-14 with below league average era,he's young, cheap, and can probably only get better. his innings per start is pretty disappointing at a little less than 6, but anything more than 5 innings for a #4-5 starter is gravy. just 2 years ago, chuck was the saviour of the rotation. now, we want to trade him for a rental?  might i remind you of chuck james minor league stats?  i really hope we dont give up on this guy after 1 1/2 years of service.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/J/Chuck-James.shtml

by ryan c on Dec 4, 2007 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think
it's the 52 HRs James has given up in those 1½ years that scares people...

by kray1000 on Dec 4, 2007 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

glav
I think we're all hoping that the tutelage of Glavine will help to reduce those numbers.

There's a significant chance that this year, James makes a breakthrough.  3.50 ERA and a 16-10 record?  That's what I'm guessing.

by subwindow on Dec 4, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

James for Dejesus
I would do the Dejesus for James trade in a heartbeat.

I do think that James is a little above average, especially for a bottom of the rotation starter.  But I also beleive we have seen the best of Chuck James.  First off he is around 26 years old and if he hasn't even begun to develop a third pitch by now I don't think its gonna happen.  Second, he had shoulder trouble this year....some would say "fatigue", I think the Braves see this as a warning sign and would like to unload him while he still has some value left.

Anyone that has ever played baseball or pitched understands that the way Chuck throws the ball is all arm/shoulder, he doesn't use his legs and there is little or no follow through at all, thus creating a tremendous strain on his shoulder/arm.  This way of pitching leads to a couple of problems:

  1. If you don't use your legs and follow through, your arm tires more quickly which leads to getting rocked in the later innings as well as "shoulder fatigue" later in the year (both of which we witnessed this year).
  2. Not following through has a direct effect on the flight of the ball that you are throwing, which means if you aren't following through it is harder to keep the ball down. And if you don't keep the ball down, you give up 50+ homeruns in 280 innings.
  3. All of this strain you are putting on your shoulder will catch up to you eventually and your career will not last that long. Look at Roger Clemens, he uses about 80% legs when he pitches, James uses about 10%.  
If James continues to pitch like he does, he will probably be an average starter for a couple of more years, but after that I only see him and his overused arm deteriorating - that is unless he and Barry Bonds hook up.  

So because of this I say Wren should get Dejesus now, because after another 20 or 30 homerun season we may be lucky to get a Chris Woodward for Chucky.

by whunt13 on Dec 4, 2007 4:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Debunked.
Per Dave O'Brien.

by Smoltzs Beard on Dec 4, 2007 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?
"Maybe we'll give Willie another shot?"

Jesus I hope not: Willie Harris is a drain on any major league team, especially if he is placed in a starting role.  I hate the idea of Josh Anderson starting for the Atlanta Braves, but if nothing else he would be an upgrade over Willie Harris.

In other words: Willie Harris is a horrible major-league baseball player.

by jpx7 on Dec 7, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hmm
wasnt he released?

by Doghnut on Dec 8, 2007 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was "designated for assignment", so
he would have to clear waivers for the Braves to try to sign him to a minor-league contract.  

There's no reason for Willie to come back to the Braves since they've made it clear he's not in their plans for 2008.  If he still has any dreams of being a starter, he'll go elsewhere.

by kray1000 on Dec 9, 2007 5:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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