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2012 Hall Of Fame Ballot Is Littered With Former Braves

There was this baseball player, really good, but was he great? Writers and bloggers and fans have been asking that question for years, but to this point Dale Murphy has not been considered Hall of Fame great by three-fourths of the writers who vote for which players enter and which ones do not. A bunch of writers are releasing their ballots and writing about who they voted for (and didn't) and why. Jon Heyman of CBS Sports is one of them who voted for Murphy, and offers this explanation as to why:

He was great for a while (two straight MVPs), but is also known as one of the greatest guys to ever play the game. He did a lot of things right (he won five Gold Gloves and stole 161 bases), and he did them every day (he played 162 games four straight years). His refusal to take a day off (not to mention his clean living) may have led to a steeper, quicker decline. But he still represented a whole era of Braves baseball.

My opinion on Heyman is looking up. Of course, of the three writers at CBS Sports who can vote for the Hall, only Heyman voted for Murphy. Here in lies Murphy's problem, well, it's not Murphy's problem, really, it's the writers' problem.

I've written ad nauseum about the reasons Murphy should be in the Hall, specifically in this 2009 piece I did and yesterday. I could probably be convinced of a few more who are worthy in addition to the players I thought were worthy back in 2009. But that's what these writers do all the time, give players more votes or less votes based on changing opinions.

Anyway, everyone has their own damn opinion ... you know mine.

In addition to Murphy, there are a ton of other former Atlanta Braves players on this year's ballot. Many of them will get the requisite courtesy vote, but one or two might get the Murphy-10-percent treatment. Fred McGriff is on the ballot once again. He got 18% last year, more than Murphy's 13%, so if it's a good year for Murphy, perhaps McGriff will also get a much deserved boost in voting.

The best Braves catcher before Brian McCann is also on the ballot: fan favorite (especially with the ladies) Javy Lopez makes his first appearance; as does Vinny Castilla, Terry Mulholland, and Brian Jordan (who will surely get into the hall one day based on his announcing skills*). None of those folks will likely get anything more than a passing hello vote, but it's still an honor to be listed on the ballot.

Of course, this will likely be the last year we talk about silly little things like this. Next year the steroids bomb gets dropped big time on the Hall ballot, as Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa all enter the voting, not to mention Piazza, Schilling, and Biggio. Then in 2014, it will truly be a magical class for the Braves, as two great pitchers will almost certainly be elected, when Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux appear for the first time. 2014 will also be the next year that the Veterans Committee will consider managers for induction into the Hall, and you can bet that Bobby Cox will make the list.

John Smoltz should round out the Hall of Fame rotation of the 90's when he appears on the ballot in 2015. So, yeah, Braves fans are all grumpy about Murphy this year (and for the last dozen years), but those complaints should be gone in a couple of years as the Hall welcomes four new Atlanta Braves inductees. That list could also expand to include John Schuerholtz, who will also be eligible for inclusion on the Veterans' ballot along with Cox in 2014.

*That's sarcasm.

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I love Murphy

But I can’t even make a borderline Hall of Fame case for him. He was a great player over a 7 year stretch, but he was below average every other year he played, and didn’t play all that long anyway. If, during those 7 years, he had been Sandy Koufax or Babe Ruth, I still would see letting him in. But he was more like Larry Walker. Or Chipper Jones, in terms of value. 7 years of being Larry Walker isn’t really enough. Larry Walker did it for 16 years, and it probably isn’t going to end up being enough for him.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

I dunno, loved Murph forever, and am still kinda on the fence.

Great retweet by DOB earlier today from a follower,DJ_Sweet_T:


Murph 2nd most HRs and RBIs in the 80’s. Led majors in total bases for 80’s. all this w little help. not to mention character.

by fandave on Jan 4, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to go on record with the following Hall of Fame projections regarding a few former Braves who have realistic chances of getting in.

1) Maddux will go in the first year. This one is easy.
2) Glavine will go in for sure but I give him a 25% of having to wait until his 2nd year just because “that’s how the voters are” (ie. most are idiots who shouldn’t be allowed to vote).
3) Chipper Jones will NOT be a first year inductee. I know that this will be controversial, but barring some sort of highly unlikely improvement in his durability and a willingness to play at least 3 more years, he will not reach 500 homers or 3000 hits. I believe that enough of the voters will hold that against him that he will not get in during his first year on the ballot. I also believe that there is some resentment against him and all things Atlanta from the New York press that will work against him. He’ll be a 2nd or 3rd year inductee.
4) John Smoltz is going to be iffy with a stronger chance of not getting in than most fans realize. I predict that he will be like Blyleven and if he gets in at all, it will take him 10 years minimum. I believe very strongly that the voters will hold his failure to reach 300 victories and only having one 20 win season against him. Further, I believe that he will not be given credit for his years as a reliever.

by Zontar on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

on 1, 2 & 3 but I think you’re way off on Smotlzy. Voters also like postseason stats and Smoltz has a good postseason resume. Also I think the starter turned closer turned starter helps his case being he has over 200 wins and over 150 saves. Pretty sure he’s the only guy to do that.

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I highly doubt that Glavine will have to wait. The fourth winningest LHP in MLB history doesn’t come around all that often.

"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."

by bravos1984 on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I grew up in Western New York

and had many opportunities to make a short-ish trip to Cooperstown to see the Hall of Fame, but I never actually went.

Why? I vowed that the first day I go there would be the day Chipper Jones is inducted. No matter where I am in my life, I’ll be there. I just hope they don’t make me wait past his first year eligible.

by nickfeely8 on Jan 5, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Smoltzy

The only modern comparison is Dennis Eckersley, who was easily voted in his first year.

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Jan 7, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

“His refusal to take a day off (not to mention his clean living) may have led to a steeper, quicker decline.” The part about clean living and linking it to him having a steeper decline makes no sense. It should have been left out of the statement. Does this mean if he went out drinking it up ever night he would have been a better player for 9 years instead of the 6 or 7 years he was great?

by chrisdaugherty on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Not quite

I believe his clean living meant he didn’t do ’roids.

by Mr. Plow on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but neither did Gywnn, Ripken Sandberg,etc, so the point he is trying to make doesn’t go anywhere. Clean living didn’t help his decline.

by chrisdaugherty on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Mad Dog

Does Maddux go in as a Brave or a Cub?

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Brave. Hands down.

"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."

by bravos1984 on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't you think...

When his time comes, that Smotz will be first ballot?

by TomahawkGuy on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe. You’d think with 3000 K’s he’d be a lock but Bert Blyleven had closer to 4000 and it took him 14 years. If his name is the biggest on the ballot, I’d say yes.

"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."

by bravos1984 on Jan 4, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall of Fame Braves

I have to wonder about some Braves fans sometimes.
1) Regarding Murph; Simple question is why isnlt Albert Belle or even Pete Rose in the HOF? Answer is their poor character. I doubt there has ever been a player of such integrity and class in the game but he gets absolutely no credit for that. I the first half of the 80’s Murph was considerd the best player in baseball and included back-to-back MVP Awards. Te real problem is he hit 399 homers. If he had hit just one more he would be in because too many voters are stuck on that stupid requirement.
2) Maddux and Glavine are given first rounders. It is automatic when you win more than 300 games.
3) Smoltz will probably get in as well because he would be compared to Eckersley who is already in and I doubt we ever saw a more team oriented and devoted player. One question I do have is that I thought all three would go in together. I think they all retired at the same time though at different times in that off-season.
4) Chipper has an excellent shot because all one has to do is view him as a switch hitter. It is him and Mickey Mantle who are the greatest ever and Chipper’s career numbers are beginning to look favorably in comparison the the Mick

by The Rap on Jan 4, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

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