It's A New Year, But An Old Rumor (That Won't Go Away)
by gondeee on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM EST
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PrintIt wouldn't be the first official working day of the new year without unsubstantiated rumors of trades. Thus I bring you the latest incarnation of the Atlanta Braves trying to trade for Baltimore Orioles outfielder Adam Jones:
We saw this a lot last year, with wild ideas of Martin Prado and Jair Jurrjens AND one of our top pitching prospects for just Jones. That kind of rumor was shot down by the Braves beat writers for the lame duck that it was. Yet still, the rumor kept coming up every couple of weeks, so maybe we shouldn't be surprised that it has surfaced again.
I've never heard of this Scott Swaim character, and it seems that Google hasn't really heard of him either, and he only has like 900 twitter followers. But then what happens is that someone like a real journalist, this Roch Kubatko who writes for MASN (and has an aptly douchey named blog "School of Roch"), picks up that tweet and puts it in his column, and he has like 5,000 twitter followers, so it's starting to get some traction. Then Buster Olney links to Roch's column saying that something is happening, and he has like 350,000 twitter followers. At the same time, Ken Rosenthal (he of the 171,000 twitter followers variety) puts up a column about the Orioles searching hard for starting pitching, and everyone in Braves Country ® thinks that lends credibility to the earlier rumor about interest in Jurrjens ... and here we are. And this rumor will get repeated over and over. Any truth to it? Maybe. That Swaim guy probably knows.
I should have called this post "Anatomy of a completely bull$hit trade rumor."
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Not sure how I feel about this if it's not completely BS
Adam Jones is a great player, but there is no way he can repeat his performance from last season. His current value is the highest it will probably ever be and if we give up 2 arms for this guy, we will seriously regret it when the pitching injuries unavoidably begin.
We would definitely have the fastest and best defensive outfield though…assuming we still have Bourn.
How exactly is Adam Jones a great player? I guess Frenchy is a great player then, bunch of great players out there it looks like…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
the issue
is that Adam Jones has progressed to where he is now, Frenchy had a good year and has regressed from there. I’ve seen some projections of Adam Jones that are .285/.330/.500 THIS YEAR.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t consider that a GREAT pleyar. projections are nice to look at, but the player needs to actually produce the projections. Jones isn’t some shitty player, but he is far from a great player. I don’t care how much potential a player has, if he doesn’t live up to it, then what good is that potential? Jones and Frenchy have pretty similar numbers when you break it down. I don’t feel like breaking it down, because it’s been broken down too much as is. Go look at the numbers and I think you can tell for yourself. I’m not saying it would be a bad trade, just all depends what we are giving up. But, to say Adam Jones ia a great player, is just not true and that is the point I was saying.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
His “greatness” is irrelevant if he can help this team, which he can.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, his greatness is irrelevent if he can help us, which he can as you said. It’s false that Adam Jones is a great player, and I called it how I saw it. If he is gonna say Adam Jones is great, then jeez, might as well call Frenchy and tons of other guys great, when they flat out aren’t.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I wasn’t comparing to him to a HOFer, compared to what we’ve had in the outfield recently I would definitely consider him “great”.
Again, Frenchy would be considered a “great” player, because he was good this past year. Frenchy and Jones had the same WAR last season. Again, like I said from the start, Jones isn’t a great player, just like Frenchy isn’t. If you gonna consider Jones a great player based on how our OF was this past year, then we can call Frenchy and a lot of others same thing.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
now
I’m not a big fan of this rumor but if he came over and put up that slash line I wouldn’t be too upset. A .500 slg % is nothing to sneeze at.
by drumzalicious on Jan 3, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
right, never said it is anything to sneeze at. I was just pointing out he isn’t great even with that stat line. Never said I wouldn’t want him on the team in the right deal.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I would do it straight up for JJ just for the offensive depth it gives us, but I wouldn’t throw in any more than filler prospects to get the deal done. Prado is probably better offensively than Jones, but having Prado as a utility player makes the team better overall.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
Especially since...
We know Chipper will need many days off, and we could spell Jones, Heyward, or Bourn as needed…
GATA!
I’d be all for JJ straight up…maybe a lower level prospect or two along with him at the most.
He hasn’t been great thus far but he’s still young and there’s no doubting his talent.
Problem is, the Orioles wouldn't
and think JJ, Prado + prospect isn’t enough.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Gondeee... it's only 3 days into the new year and you're already jaded...
I’m disappointed… I figured it’d take at least hearing something like this 12 more times before you lost it… :-)
Regardless. Adam Jones is a player I wouldn’t mind having… At the right price… and the right circumstance. There have been a few players I didn’t expect moving this winter and Jones is one of those… If we get him and keep Prado, it will improve our 2012 club substantially… Especially if the price is just JJ…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
This...
I get Jones is average defensively and has Frenchy-like tendencies, but, at the right price, which to me would JJ and, maybe, a low-level prospect, he’d upgrade our team. A. Jones is talented, even if he’s not the superstar some feel he is…Heck, it’s not like JJ’s a superstar, either.
If it’s Prado and JJ, then we’d be crazy.
GATA!
That’s just it – I think he’s saying we’d be nuts to include both Prado and JJ in such a trade.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
Jones or Seth Smith?
Given that horrible choice I’d take Jones.
Having Jones on the team instead of JJ may be to our comparative advantage, even if JJ > JOnes.
That said, I’d rather trade JJ for a straight prospect haul isntead of Jones.
i don't disagree w/ this.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
by trading for Jones (with JJ) we get an above average OFer w/ a TON of potential
Prado plays the rover we so desperately need w/ old man jones and the rest of the crew needing a rest… We don’t lose any versatility and we gain an incredible chip for our future. Jones to CF when Bourn leaves and we can revisit LF again next year…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
The question is, would the gap between JJ and his replacement be more or less than the gap between both AJ and Prado and Prado to our next best bench player. Overall, having Prado, AJ, and let’s say Mike Minor, is better than having JJ and Prado.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
sure
but since Jones would be taking significant playing time from Prado, does it really make us better? We gain position depth but lose pitching depth which is where I think we really should be concerned
Yes, but the drop off from Jones to Prado is pretty small. Having Prado to fill in around the diamond would help this team immensely, and it would probably keep him and everyone else fresher down the stretch. You also have to think about Jones as the backup CFer, and the drop off from him to Constanza is ridiculous. The fact is, with Prado and Jones on the team, you’re getting a higher number of quality ABs throughout the season.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be in Montgomery
This weekend.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
for?
Give me a hollar…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, you know
that new 8 week course that sounds like so much fun….ugh
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA... sucks to be you...
sounds good dude. I’ll be here. you have my cell?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I sure don't
I don’t even have your email anymore. I’ve changed computers several times since then.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
haha... no fun
you can always look me up on the global… but my personal email is klemsonkrash@google.com
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet!
I’m a Nigerian prince, and I need you to help my family in the states. There’s money in it for you.
I’ll shoot you an e-mail.
GATA!
Don't worry...
I have plenty for everyone. I love making wise investments.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
So will I
My flight leaves from there… or is it Birmingham? Yeah its Birmingham never mind!
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Booooo
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
dude, you're killin me...
when you gunna get down here to visit. :-P
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I Hate
that the word “like” has become a replacement for “about” or just gets used when it doesn’t need to be. I can’t wait for like spring training so like I can find something like worthwhile to like complain about.
"I Farted" - Me, everday
I'm just gonna go on record...
…saying that a Braves/Blue Jays deal involving Jurrjens makes a lot more sense for both those teams.
Alex Anthopolous has got to be the Braves ideal kind of trading partner anyway: doesn’t blab to the press about what they’re looking at; and cuts to the chase when considering deals. The Blue Jays have a stacked farm system, and could deal with just about anybody, but this makes reasonable sense… the only question being what we could glean from them in return.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
"Now if you somehow talked the Diamondbacks into throwing in Stephen Drew in that deal [with Justin Upton]… then I’d be in the line w/ justin and whoever else w/ my knee pads on." - Klemson Krash, 12/20/2011
AA is as big a genius as FW is... neither could really fleece the other in my opinion
but there’s little to no way we’d get over value dealing w/ the Blue Jays… that’s my only gripe. From most any other front office, FW can pull the wool and get some pieces added we don’t expect (hello Vizcaino)… w/ AA, I just don’t see that happening…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
...but having said THAT...
I’ll go ahead and play the game here, just because it’s early, and we’re all waiting for the Howitzer to shoot this down. Here’s the relevant tweets, so far:
MONDAY, 7:19pm: Coco Crisp won’t be on the open market much longer. The free agent outfielder has decided which team he’ll sign with, agent Steve Comte told Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. “Basically, we just have to let that team know,” Comte told Slusser.
MONDAY, 8:55pm: The Orioles have been talking to Crisp in recent days and they’re interested in signing him, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports.
TUESDAY, 7:33am: Today, Jon Heyman is the lone voice trying to shoot down his own rumor…
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
Orioles are looking for a leadoff hitter. But apparently, they are looking elsewhere now. Sev other teams were in on crisp.
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
While orioles talked to crisps agent, it sounds like its not them (I need a new crystal ball). Not a perfect fit for baltimore.
That notwithstanding, there’s the quote cited by gondee above came in around 8am:
Source: #Orioles and #Braves are making progress on an Adam Jones deal. Hearing Jurrjens is involved"
…But this actually would make sense is Crisp is heading to Baltimore. So now check this out: this picture has popped up on Coco Crisp’s twitter page:
So if Coco is intending to sign with the Orioles, this does allow them to consider moving Jones… a lot more so than last week. And if so, the Orioles might have been trying to keep that decision quiet to keep some leverage in any deal that might include Adam Jones.
Just sayin’
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
You CSI’d the crap out of that rumor.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
so... the rumor was a crime scene...
I think that sounds about right. :-)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
The O's also
Just recieved Jai Miller (OFer) from the A’s who was projected to start in the A’s OF this year .
For the record... Crisp re-signs with Oakland.
2 yrs…. $6m/$7m
Team option for $7.5 in 2014 with $1m buyout.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
I think this helps us.
it sets a market for Michael Bourn. They have very similar skillsets, Bourn just does it better. I’m thinking 3/$27M with an option/buyout for year 4 would be more than fair.
Not for 2 years and $10mil.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would love jones for a b level pitcher + jurrjens
Throughout is young career jones has hit between .270 and .284 and has hit a minimum of 19 hr in the past 3 years. Jurrjens is an injury prone pitcher who will NEVER have a higher value in an organization deep with pitchers, And by all means throw in spurril, do you ever expect to see him in the majors?
ummm……yeah…..most expect to see Spruill in the majors in the next couple of years.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
for the Braves? as what... a reliever?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Or spot starter.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I took zachey’s comment to mean that he didn’t expect Spruill to ever reach the major leagues due to his abilities, though I guess he might have been saying there’s just no room for him here.
Still, it’s misguided to suggest including a talented prospect as a throw-in simply because we have an abundance of pitching already.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
If....
You’ve never had a staph infection, it is hard to believe how much it saps you of your strength…Martin has a track record of hitting success. We’ll be very sorry if we deal this team-oriented, hard working, versatile Venezuelan.
WTF, nobody in this thread/rumor has mentioned at any point that Prado would be included.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Then there is this...
Connolly doesn’t see Jurrjens as a centerpiece for a Jones trade. Instead, the Orioles are intrigued by Tommy Hanson.
We better not be trading Tommy Hanson in a deal for Adam Jones, that’s all I got to say.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Maybe if they throw in something else.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
done. and thank you
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 3, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
done and thank you again.
I love this fantasy world.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Or really, for anyone not named Pujols.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Knowing Wren, they’ll ask for Hanson and end up with Todd Redmond or some equivalent.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hahah
I love FW.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Justin Upton and Bautista
would be the ones I would trade Hanson+ for.
Christina Kahrl wrote an article praising a Braves player. Clearly she wants to get fired from ESPN.
by BravosFanatic on Jan 3, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to Spring Training in March...
Any recommendations on the best way to see games in Orlando?
Any seat
is good at the stadium. The cheapest way to go is to buy lawn tickets. You can just throw out a blanket and sit anywhere on the grass on the left field side. From what I saw last year, it’s a good spot to get autographs too.
by WeStillHaveBobby on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
IT JUST WON'T DIE (MLBTR)
Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun has produced a good amount of Orioles information today; let’s discuss the highlights.
The Orioles are fairly confident they will add another outfielder, though that wouldn’t necessarily portend an Adam Jones trade. The Orioles were not overly intrigued by the Braves’ offer of Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado, and a minor league pitcher. Connolly doesn’t see Jurrjens as a centerpiece for a Jones trade. Instead, the Orioles are intrigued by Tommy Hanson.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
Wait, wait, wait
the O’s turned down JJ, Prado AND another player for Adam Jones?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
If the O's were actually offered that and turned it down.......
Their entire front office should be fired.
No way these rumored offers can actually be true. If the Braves really offered JJ/Prado/Prospect for Adam Jones, I’m not sure who is dumber: the Braves or the Orioles?
Has to be the Orioles. That trade wouldn’t really harm our team drastically in the short or long term, but The O’s would get drastically better.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not really...
They get better short-term, but that’s it. How does that actually help them?? They’re mired in a division with three teams that are vastly superior and another that may be coming into its own soon enough.
With Jones, they have one upcoming potential FA to sign to an extension for FA money. If they trade for Jurrjens and Prado, now they have two guys with the same amount of team control that they need to try to re-sign with FA-level money.
Neither Prado or Jurrjens are likely going to be worth the amount of money necessary ($13+MM/year) to receive draft pick compensation, so they’re trading one guy for two guys. Either would have to put up big numbers in both 2012 and 2013 to reach that status, which is possible…but it’s a bit dicey, too, given the combination of injuries and recent poor performance (Jurrjens’ first half being the exception).
If they do reach that status, they’re going to command a lot of money, so even if they’re good, there’s something bad attached. FWIW, the same is true of Adam Jones, but there’s no recent injury stigma there.
Okay, fine deal short-term, but they aren’t going to win the division or wild card with or without those guys. Same goes for Jones. So why trade him?? Prado and Jurrjens are big enough names to impact attendance?? Doubtful. Impactful enough to make the teams compete in the division?? Unlikely.
What the O’s need in a deal for Jones is prospects, which is roughly the same need the Braves have in trading Prado or Jurrjens.
We can say that the deal is bad for the Braves until we’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t solve any of the Orioles’ issues, either. I think that, more than anything, is why this trade rumor needs to die.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I still can’t bring myself to believe that Wren actually made that offer.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way
absolutely no way.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Once debunked the story became
it was for Jurrjens, then for Prado, then another. It was never all 3. Or at least that was the way the guys on the Braves side described the “offer”.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Frank Wren has shown a lot of faith in giving the ball to the young guy (Heyward, Freeman, Pastornicky, etc.). It would not suprise me to see him want to hand the ball to Teheran too. To do so, we need to deal a pitcher.
I have for many a year put a lot of faith in our front office. They know this team better than any of us would dream of. If Hanson is on the block, I know that someone who is as pitching-obsessed as Wren is has a good reason for it.
So sad seeing the Nat's being the frontrunner for Prince
Even they and the Fish are making moves and we are just sitting on our ass.
The NL East will have at most one “easy” team this year (Mets), and will be at it’s toughest ever this year
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-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
Somebody still has to win the games no matter how tough the opponents are, and none of the moves anyone has made has necessarily made them better than us.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Starting Rotation
is still pretty suspect outside of Starsburg and, to a lesser extent, Gio.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 4, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't very long ago that JJ was a Cy Young frontrunner and 12-3 at the break... what happened to make him devalued so much?
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"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
He got a raise.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
1. He got hurt…. again. And it’s then word “again” that’s giving teams pause.
2. The notion has always been there that he ‘outpitches his peripherals.’ For sabremetrics guys, that’s like somebody hitting .360 with a .450 BABIP or something… there’s a fear that such a performance is unsustainable.
My own counter to those arguments would be (1) he’s not yet had any trouble with his arm or shoulder… the legs should come around; and (2) you can’t argue that when he’s healthy, he’s been a consistent winner.
Nonetheless, until he can put in 200+ inning seasons, those questions will probably linger.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
but the injuries he's had (JJ) have never been associated with his arm/shoulder
so, Wren must be asking for a ton for him.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Your quote by Kiper is hilarious
The “experts” could not have been more wrong about Cam.
Haha thanks
And I 100% agree!
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didnt Wren leave the Orioles front office on bad terms?
Just a thought, but maybe there’s no love lost between the two sides.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Trades I would do with the Orioles...
1. Jurrjens and any of Spruill or lesser pitcher for A. Jones
2. Jurrjens and Pastornicky for JJ Hardy
3. Jurrjens, Pastornicky, Prado, and Hoover for A. Jones and Hardy
Trades that I would not do with the Orioles…
Anything involving the other SP candidates.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
Is Hardy...
Available at all? Any notion that they’ll part with him?
I doubt it. They signed him to an extension last season—you usually don’t see teams deal guys they just locked up for a while.
by Ivan the Great on Jan 3, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Adam Jones, sure none of his stats are all that impressive after 4 years in MLB and he’s not cheap anymore, but for some reason the O’s think he’s worth a lot.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Yeah...
They used to throw that Ripken fella out there every single day. Come on! Give the man a break.
GATA!
Ok, the Orioles have finished dead last for a long time now. In large part, their owner is too involved. If he likes a player, that guy stays no matter how much the Orioles could get for him (Brian Roberts, who seemingly was a trade candidate every year for five years, comes to mind)
It was a joke...
I know the Orioles have been terrible for a long, long time.
Heck, the Pirates were dominant once!
GATA!
yeah, it had nothing at all to do with the fact that the Yankees and Red Sox combined salaries last year was
364 Million Dollars.
For the Record, that’s more than the following teams combined:
KC, Tampa, SD, Cleveland, Arizona, Miami AND Toronto.
Let that sink in for a second.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Coco to A's... half the rumor offially dies.
"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)
I love that they "are interested in Hanson"
Who wouldn’t be interested in a 25 year old who could be the #1 starter for most teams? If he can stay healthy and shorten his stretch delivery (so other teams don’t run him to death), he’ll be something special for the next 10 years.
Well
to be honest if we’re going to deal J.J. for a hitter that we’ve been linked to I’d rather it be Jones than Smith.
Peter Bourjos for future CF
If Adam Jones is too expensive, would Peter Bourjos be a viable alternative?
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