Braves Offense Position-by-Position Breakdown: Right Field
Hello. We're back with part 6 of my look at the Braves' offense. Here are the links to Part 1: catchers, Part 2 : 1st basemen, and Part 3: 2nd basemen, Part 4: shortstops, and Part 5: 3rd basemen.
Gird yourselves, Braves fans. This series has left the (mostly) comfortable confines of the infield and is traveling out to that fearsome realm that has been the downfall of so many Braves teams in the post-Andruw era. You guessed it, the outfield.
We start in right field, which a year ago seemed to be one of the brightest spots on the team. Alas, our hopes for the position were not fulfilled. Former rookie sensation Jason Heyward had an extremely rough year (at the plate, at least) and his backups weren't much help, either.
The graphic below shows how the Braves' right fielders stacked up to the rest of the NL in terms of Weighted Runs Created (wRC), everyone's favorite rhyming total-offense statistic. If you're new to this series, go back and read the 1st post so I don't have to explain wRC again. As usual, you'll want to click the graphic to expand it.
Okay... So those numbers are pretty ugly. Before I delve into the Braves' numbers, a caveat: 2011 was a really good year for NL right fielders. In most years, 72 wRC* wouldn't be that close to the bottom of the pile. But in 2011, no NL team had truly awful RF production. In fact, 10 teams got at least 99 wRC from the position. That's star-level production from more than half the league. So keep that in mind.
* As we'll see next week, center field and left field were even more problematic for the Braves in 2011, but the team's rankings at those positions aren't quite so bad.
Another important caveat is that these numbers only incorporate hitting (and stolen bases). When defense and other baserunning are taken into account, the Braves' right fielders look quite a bit better, thanks mainly to Heyward's prowess in those areas. But this post is just about hitting, and in that area, Heyward definitely struggled relative to his peers (and our expectations for him).
Beyond that, I'm not going to belabor the analysis of Heyward's 2011. I've done that elsewhere, and it's not like we need to rehash those arguments. What's important is 2012.
All of the projections available on FanGraphs (Bill James, RotoChamp, and the Fans) agree that Heyward will bounce back in 2012 to a level just short of his 2010 season, but much better than 2011. The 3 projections average 91 wRC (he had 99 in 2010), which I think we'd all take in a heartbeat.
ZiPS, as is often the case, is a bit more pessimistic, projecting Heyward to hit .255 / .360 / .427, a line that is almost exactly the midpoint between his 2010 and 2011 numbers. That's certainly possible, of course, and if so, it'd still be a big improvement over his 2011; I'm guessing that line would be worth around 75 wRC, or 24 more than he had in 2011.
And of course, a player of Heyward's many talents has the potential to surpass all of those projections by 30 or 40 runs. You can't say that about very many players. Still, I think somewhere around 85 wRC is a reasonable middle ground of expectation.
Getting the most playing time (and attention) among the other right-fielders was Jose Constanza, who inspired a sizable portion of the Atlanta fanbase to Beatlemania-esque shrieking and fainting spells. Yeah, he got off to a hot start. But that hot start was fueled by an incredible** run of luck on infield hits. And when all was said and done, he wasn't really any better with the bat than Heyward, despite all that luck. He ended with 82 wRC per 700 PAs, while Heyward was at 78.
** In the literal sense, as in "difficult to believe." Constanza got hits on nearly 25% of balls hit on the infield; Ichiro's career rate is 15%. That means Constanza got 6 more hits than even an infield hit expert like Ichiro would have had in the same number of chances. Take away those 6 hits and Constanza's line looks like this: .248 / .287 / .330. Which sounds like a much more realistic estimate of his true talent than his actual line.
So basically, Constanza wasn't that good and he's likely to be a lot worse going forward. He may make the team as a 5th outfielder-type player, and I'd be fine with that, honestly. But he won't--and shouldn't--have a major role on the team going forward.
The other two players to qualify in right field were Joe Mather and Matt Diaz. Mather was good for just 4 wRC in 83 PAs (a miserable 34 wRC per 700 PAs). Signing Mather was understandable, I suppose, but I think we can all agree that giving him that much playing time was a mistake.
As for Diaz, he was marginally better: 3 wRC in 37 PAs (57 wRC/700). The Bill James projection for him inspires some confidence (77 wRC / 700 isn't bad at all), but I am a good deal less optimistic. If Diaz doesn't hit lefties, he doesn't have much use. And he's coming off two down years. It's fairly likely that he gets cut before the season is out. That makes me sad to say, because I like him a lot, but oh well. Hopefully the Braves won't need much in the way of backups in right field, anyway.
To sum up: in all but the worst-case scenarios (i.e. major injuries), the Braves should do better at this position in 2012. Even a not-that-optimistic scenario would still result in the Braves improving by around 20 runs. And if Heyward fulfills his potential, watch out: we could be talking about a huge improvement. There is a lot more upside in right field than downside.
Next week, we'll talk about the other outfield spots, starting off with Michael Bourn, who hopes to finally end the Braves' horrific run of center fielders.
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Awful quite on this post.
Could it be because we’re talking about the annointed ones position. Well, I’m not afraid to post. Heyward is a worthless piece of…..my eyes….MY EYES….I CAN’T SEE…..ARGGGGG!!!!!!!!!
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
I’m excited to see what Jason can do this year. Hopefully he can stay healthy and return to his 2010 form.
by GreatestEver on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
(poster blindly fumbles on keyboard)
that’s it..don’t make the mistake I did..compliments…speak compliments.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
that or we're all busy working....
It’s nothing short of lunacy to think Heyward is a case of “annoited to failure”. Most people his age are in AA. Being a league average player at age 21 with ongoing shoulder issues and a shitty hitting coach is not the hallmark of someone to expect to remain league average as he gets more years under his belt.
Your tone reminds me of Glenn Beck so please refrain.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jan 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I should've used the sarcasm font
Then maybe you would’ve realized the comment was in jest. Who’s Glenn Beck & what’s “annoited”?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by adc62 on Jan 20, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there are a lot of people who mock Heyward's "fall"
…and there was nothing that told me you weren’t one.
Either I’ve lost it or you’re just a little too subtle about tipping sarcasm. Probably me.
Beck is a terrible, terrible thing. Don’t look it up.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm…you must have missed the humor.
by swainzy on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
After looking through the stats and careers of many sluggers playing today , I couldn’t find one that regressed as much as Heyward did last year from his rookie season and still came back to have a solid career . I’m not trying to ba negative . I was just hoping to find at least one to compare him too to see how well they progressed after a slump of his magnitude .
The kid obviously has tremendous talent . I just hope he can be that one exception into what I was looking in to . If you can think of someone who came back from a similar down year , after a good rookie season , please post . Just curious to see as a comparison .
The reason it's hard to find comparables
is because the pool of players to be stars at age 20 in the majors is extremely small. Of the players to be very good at age 20 in MLB, nearly all went on to be stars, and more than half are in (or going to be in) the Hall of Fame. The kind of talent needed to do that is so, so rare, and Heyward has it.
But if you really want a comparable, how about Willie Mays?
1st year, age 20: .274 / .356 / .472 (120 OPS+) in 524 PAs
2nd year, age 21: .236 / .326 / .409 (102 OPS+) in 144 PAs
— Midway through the 2nd year, he was drafted into the Army; he missed his entire 3rd year, too… But that line isn’t much better than Heyward’s was in 2011.
4th year, age 23: .345 / .411 / .667 (175 OPS+) in 640 PAs and an MVP award
Obviously the circumstances are a bit different, but let’s not pretend like star players never slump. It happens a lot. It’s not always in the second year, but it happens. It’s always more worrisome when it happens so early in a player’s career, just because of the lack of information available… but that does NOT mean that coming back from a bad year is unprecedented. Far from it.
Most players improve from 20 to 21, of course. But far from all. Here are some other examples of star 20-year-olds dropping off at age 21 or 22:
Al Kaline (from 162 OPS+ to 139, then to 120 at age 22)
Alex Rodriguez (from 160 OPS+ to 120)
Mickey Mantle (from 161 OPS+ to 143)
Frank Robinson (from 142 OPS+ to 135, then to 118 at age 22)
Babe Ruth (from 188 OPS+ to 121, though it’s SSS b/c he was still pitching)
For reference, Heyward went from 131 to 95. These aren’t great comps, but they are comps.
Sure, it’s possible that Heyward is the next Claudell Washington. But given his obvious talent, I’d have to say that it’s more likely that this is just a blip along the way to an excellent career.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jan 20, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I like the comparison to all those older players .
The one more recent player you did use for comparison (A-Rod) , he was one of the players that I looked up and his regression in that second year didn’t look to be as significant . I mean , he did in fact regress , but still had a solid year an earned himself an AS apperance .
But all those other players were back in an era where I think the game of baseball was quite different with lack of scouting reports and technology as a whole . But I do indeed feel as though Heyward could be a special player if he is able to make some adjustments .
Carlos Beltran?
Great rookie season in 1999 (.293/22/108,.337 obp), injuries hampered him in 2000 (98 games, .247/7/44, .309 obp), came back strong in 2001.
by goesbetterwithbeer on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
Heyward was worth 5.1 WAR in 2010 and 2.2 in 2011.
Beltran went from 4.4 WAR in 1999 to 0.5 in 2000 to 5.4, 5.6, 6.8, and 6.6 respectively 2001-2004, playing more games than Heyward did in his first two seasons too, meaning there is indeed a player who had a good rookie season, a horrible sophomore year, and then tore it up after that.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jan 20, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Beltran
is one of the Bagwell types to me, a guy who would be the precursor to David DeJesus but used steroids/HGH/etc, and as far as we know Heyward is not one of those guys (testing on steroids/HGH standardized now). Again, I have no proof (like Bagwell), just a hunch.
That is utterly ridiculous
not to mention irresponsible. Where do these “hunches” come from, anyway? Why suspect Beltran but not, well, DeJesus? There’s exactly as much evidence (real or circumstantial) against each. Or why suspect Bagwell, as many seem to, but not Biggio?
Also, the assumption that steroids turn David DeJesus types (good not great players) into Carlos Beltran types (legitimately great players) is completely baseless, on the evidence. It helps you build muscle mass, true, and may help you stay healthy, but it doesn’t amplify most baseball skills.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jan 21, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
OK .
I didn’t reference Beltran . But you’re right . He could be a perfect example . Both are very similar in skill sets and had an injury in their 2nd year . I just don’t hope that their injury paths don’t follow with the same history . But a good example of comparisons either way .
Heyward
had a horrible hitting coach in 2011.
The reason the Braves got him was he was able to take a walk, so much that it affected his draft value.
Being taught to be “aggressive” ruined Heyward. It’s an old-school approach to the game. I remember some of his ABs where he literally didn’t see a strike the whole time but was up there being “aggressive.” There was no need for him to be thrown a strike, it was like throwing a strike to Francoeur, didn’t make sense.
If/when he is patient again, and he has a great eye, he will get his walks back. He will get pitchers having to throw him strikes, and he will get his hits and hit them hard. It may take him awhile but we’ll see the talented Mr. Heyward again.
It just seemed like he completely forgot how to approach his AB’s this last year . His rookie season , you could tell he was using his head and looking for a certain pitch in a certain spot in the strike zone . And if he didn’t get it , he usually drew a walk . And I don’t know if it was Parrish , or if Heyward was trying to hard . He’ll figure it out . He’s surrounded by some good hitters . But I’m kind of hoping that everyone will just let him be . He may have had too many people last in his ear trying to tell him many different ways of trying to get back on track . Might just be one of those things where he needs to figure it out on his own .
No idea how much a hitting coach effects players....
….but with such a young guy like Heyward, I honestly feel that Parrish had a negative influence here.
“I remember some of his ABs where he literally didn’t see a strike the whole time but was up there being "aggressive."
Yeah, there were plenty of those. But you also have to factor in that he was likely pressing down the stretch, which made him even more aggressive. My concern isn’t really with his approach at the plate, it’s the distance between him and the plate. I feel that pitchers were easily able to exploit that last year. I don’t have any data to back that up, but there were so many times he’d swing at pitches on the outer half of the plate and the result end up being a pop-up to 3B. Then, when he’d get busted inside we’d see a grounder to 2B or a rocket toward the dugout.
I think Parrish had a negative impact, but I think the bulk of his struggles stemmed from injury and him pressing.
by Undocorkscrew on Jan 21, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
And wow, 4.84 WPA in 2010.......
….just saw that.
by Undocorkscrew on Jan 21, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
The plate argument was the same in 2010 and it didn’t hamper him to much. He at one point moved in just a bit but nothing drastic
by drumzalicious on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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