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Braves Offense Position-By-Position Breakdown: 3rd Base

Howdy, folks. We're back with part 5 of my look at the Braves' offense. Here are the links to Part 1: catchers, Part 2 : 1st basemen, and Part 3: 2nd basemen, and Part 4: shortstops.

Since 1995, Braves fans haven't had to worry about who their starting 3rd baseman would be*. Sure, for the past 6 or 7 years, they've had to worry about the health of that 3rd baseman, but that is still a great deal of comfort for one player to provide a fanbase. Every year, there's Chipper Jones, a little older but still wielding a dangerous bat and an unparalleled knowledge of hitting.

* Not counting the two-year Castilla Interregnum, in which Chipper was exiled to left field for some reason. Seeing as how that made no sense, I'm ignoring those years. I suggest you do the same.

This pleasant era will end one of these years, but thankfully that year won't be 2012. Chipper had another good year in 2011, and so long as he keeps having good years, he's going to keep playing, I'd imagine.

The graphic below shows the offensive performance of the Braves' 3rd basemen (Chipper, plus Julio Lugo and Diory Hernandez) relative to the rest of the NL. It uses Weighted Runs Created, or wRC, which is like RBIs except that it takes into account everything a hitter does, not just how many he drives in.

Braves-wrc-3b_medium

To sum up: if Chipper had managed to stay healthy all year, he would have been ~20 runs better than the average 3rd baseman. But Chipper only got 512 PAs, and Hernandez (2 wRC in 35 PAs) and especially Lugo (0 wRC in 48 PAs) brought the Braves' numbers down quite a bit in limited time**. Still, the Braves ranked 3rd in the league in wRC per 700 PAs from the position.

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** Thankfully, neither Lugo nor Hernandez figures into the Braves' plans going forward. As things stand now, Martin Prado will most likely continue fill in for Chipper during days off and short absences. (Prado's numbers aren't included in the graph above; we'll talk about him when we get to the left fielders.) We'll probably see Drew Sutton or another non-roster invitee at the hot corner at some point, too, though it's hard to expect much from such players.

It was a weak year for 3rd basemen in the NL. So many of the best players missed a lot of time with injuries (David Wright, Pablo Sandoval, Ryan Zimmerman, Chase Headley) that only two NL third basemen managed to accrue more than 560 plate appearances. One of those, Casey McGehee, was terrible (the other was Aramis Ramirez).

Even if we judge on a rate basis, though, only Ramirez and Sandoval hit noticeably better than Chipper when they played. And get this: only 4 NL 3rd basemen played more than Chipper in 2011 (Ramirez, McGehee, Ryan Roberts, and Placido Polanco). He may be old and creaky, but Chipper managed to stay on the field more than many of his younger rivals last season, and hit just as well as most of them, too.

One oddity about Chipper's 2011 season is that he walked just 10% of the time. That's above average, but it still represented a career-low for him. It's also a big drop from his 3 previous seasons, all of which featured walk rates of at least 16%. Several projection systems think that Chipper's walk rate will bounce back in 2012, which they think will help him offset a decline in power.

Bill James thinks that Chipper will post a .278 / .378 / .460 line that would actually be a bit better than his 2011. James only projects Chipper to reach 413 PAs, though, which limits his wRC to just 61, 8 runs lower than in 2011. That works out to a fantastic rate of 103 wRC per 700 PAs.

Another projection available on FanGraphs, by RotoChamp, more or less concurs with James. It projects Chipper to be worth 57 runs in 406 PAs (98 wRC/700). The Fan Projections are a bit more optimistic about playing time, projecting Chipper to get 507 PAs, about the same as in 2011. The Fans also think he'll hit about as well as last year, with a projection of 69 wRC (95 wRC/700).

One dissenting opinion is that of ZiPS, which projects Chipper to hit just .260 / .343 / .438 with a PA total in the low 400s. That'd be worth around 53-55 wRC. Personally, I think the ZiPS projection is probably the most reasonable. At Chipper's age, we should expect a slight decline. He'd still be a good player, but just a little less good. It's possible that he'll do better, but it's also possible that he'll have a steeper decline or suffer a serious injury.

Regardless, I'm just glad to have Chipper around for one more year. He's kind of like an old t-shirt that you've been wearing for 18 years. It may be a bit threadworn, but it still gets the job done, and damn if it isn't comfortable.

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Plus it's my favorite shirt of all time.

Those never end up in the trash.

Go Braves, Canes, Tarheels and Panthers. That is all.

by jbeachbum24 on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

ditto

"Respect your efforts, respect yourself. Self-respect leads to self-discipline. When you have both firmly under your belt, that's real power."
Clint Eastwood

by Toewsbow on Jan 23, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Vinny Castilla

What the hell was that about?

In what universe is it easier to obtain a good hitting 3rd baseman than a good hitting outfielder, such that you have to move your hall-of-fame 3rd baseman to LF?

Chipper has always been my favorite player, and his willingness to move to LF in that situation is one of the reasons why. Some players are reluctant to change positions even it if means bringing in a true elite player, yet Chipper did it for Vinny Castilla. Team first.

by Pope Vanderbilt on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

The kicker was

Castilla was a pretty bad hitter by that point in his career. Pretty good defensively, I guess, but there had to have been tons of left fielders who were more valuable overall than Castilla was at 3B.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
I also blog about weird statistics at JunkStats.

by Jacob Peterson on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see that list...

of left fielders that were available… just for comparison sake.

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Prado

Moving Prado to LF from 2nd base.
Wouldn’t the Uggla $$$ be better spent on a slugging outfielder?

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

if i remember correctly

There wasn’t exactly a really good outfielder available. Certainly not one who was as good of a hitter as Uggla and we most likely wouldn’t have gotten the bargain that we got for Uggla.

Mike Scott was what Willis was talking about.

by JHey1212 on Jan 18, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was meaning the year we signed Castilla...

what was that, 02?

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

i was commenting on ChillyMutt’s comment

Mike Scott was what Willis was talking about.

by JHey1212 on Jan 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Since 1995, Braves fans haven’t had to worry about who their starting 3rd baseman would be
Hernandez (2 wRC in 35 PAs) and especially Lugo (0 wRC in 48 PAs) brought the Braves’ numbers down quite a bit in limited time

Two quotes that make me realize: 1. We, as Brave fans, have been very fortunate to have Chipper on the team. 2. What does the future hold for 3rd base in the land of the Brave?
Is Prado the heir apparent? Is their anyone on the farm that can come remotely close to filling Chippers shoes? Will Wren go the route of FA to fill the position upon Chipper’s retirement?
It’s going to be a pleasure to watch grandpa play in 2012 but also a little bittersweet knowing this may be his last season. There will also be a little anxiety mixed in as to what the future may hold.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by adc62 on Jan 18, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

I think as long as he isn’t traded, 3B is Prado’s in 2013, maybe 2014 until Salcedo, Terdo, or Drury is ready. Which most likely none of those guys are going to be able to provide what Chipper has through his career, but chances are one of them can still be a good 3B for the Braves.

by scottyboy10 on Jan 18, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt there will be a vacuum to fill.

I’m good with Prado taking the reins & believe he has the most potential to fill that vacuum but he’ll still come up short to Chip. We’ve been fortunate to have a player of #10’s caliber at 3rd for so many years. He’ll be a tough act to follow.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by adc62 on Jan 18, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You dont have to necessarily fill Chippers production through the position he vacates. Especially considering Chippers production hasnt been what it once was for years. JHey should suffice as a decent heir apparent as long as Freddy, and possibly Wren, resist every urge to force this Jhey as Ryan Howard down his throat. Dont get me wrong, Im fine with 50/150, but Im not sure that would be Heywards career trajectory if he had a choice in the matter. It could be far better than that.

Replacing Chip with Prado or any one of the agriculture kids should be suffice as long as Heyward, McCann, and Freddie continue to rake.

by aRC on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably a trade or maybe a FA signing, would be my guess.

I have no confidence that any of the kids on the farm can A) field 3B decently and B) hit enough. The best bet is probably Salcedo, if he gets moved off of SS, as seems likely. But I am very dubious that he’ll ever turn those skills into MLB-caliber play. We’ll see, though, I guess.

Prado may end up keeping 3B warm for someone for a year, but I don’t think he’s seen as a long-term solution there.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
I also blog about weird statistics at JunkStats.

by Jacob Peterson on Jan 19, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Salcedo moved to 3B last year...

but him and Drury are at least 2, if not 3-4 years away. Terdoslavich may be closer as a hitter, but doesn’t seem to have a glove. But Atlanta is also not a big free agent team, at least not anymore. Personally, I think any holes we have, at 3B, SS, CF, etc, that aren’t filled by kids rising up will be acuqired through a trade of pitching, be it Jurrjens, Hanson, or another in the next 12-24+ months.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused...

You may have explained this earlier, but how did the Braves end up 9th in wRC and 3rd in wRC/700 PA? Did they get that many fewer at bats than other teams’ 3B? It seems unlikely, given that Chipper had the bulk of the at-bats and hit 3rd in the lineup most of the time.

by chriti04 on Jan 18, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm getting to this a bit late, but if you see it, yeah,

it was a lower amount of PAs that cost the Braves there. With Prado counting only toward LF, that left the Braves ~100 PAs short of several other teams. Which makes a big difference in the total, but not the per 700 PA average.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
I also blog about weird statistics at JunkStats.

by Jacob Peterson on Jan 19, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. Wouldn’t have guessed that Prado started 35 games at third, but it looks like he did.

by chriti04 on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I found this great site that links to videos of Chipper 's swing over the years

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by ATLandUNC on Jan 18, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Chipper needs to retire! Ugh!

I hate that he’s taking up so much money, even if his value is close to matching it. He takes days off whenever he wants because he thinks he knows more about his body and overall health than us fans do. It’s bullsh*t. RABBLERABBLERABBLE

Why don’t these breakdowns get more attention? These are awesome and tend to generate a lot of various discussions when they’re posted elsewhere. Do we all of a sudden have social lives now?

by Undocorkscrew on Jan 19, 2012 3:27 AM EST reply actions  

I've been a bad blogger....

Jacob, once again, you’re redefining the quality of content found around the various sports blogs around the interwebz…. I am so glad we have you here in Braves Country as it really gives me a perspective I would otherwise completely miss out on. Thanks a ton for your hard work and I really enjoy reading these…

As far as the future of 3B for the Braves…. If Prado bounces back to his norms, there is no reason not to give him the job (IF Old Man Jones retires)… If Prado struggles again this year, the super utility role will most like be where he is stuck for our team and we will have to sign a free agent (Wright?) to fill the gaps until some of our younglings progress… In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wren and Co try to draft a college polished 3B early in the draft this year just for insurance… Just my two cents.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

if Wren gets Arenado from Colorado, I’ll give him a BJ.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Jan 19, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks.

And you’re welcome, I guess.

Wright is an interesting idea… I doubt he’ll be returning to the Mets, and with Chipper’s $$ off the payroll, there’d presumably be enough to sign Wright. But seeing as how Wright’s not exactly a paragon of health himself, I’d hope for a short-term (ish) deal, no more than 3 years (preferably 2).

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
I also blog about weird statistics at JunkStats.

by Jacob Peterson on Jan 19, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the very first time....

…I’ve even SEEN the word “interregnum”. So courtesy of Merriam-Webster…

1: the time during which a throne is vacant between two successive reigns or regimes
2: a period during which the normal functions of government or control are suspended
3: a lapse or pause in a continuous series

Looks like the context nailed it, as used above.

"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)

by carpengui on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

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