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Braves Avoid Arbitration With Jair Jurrjens

After coming to terms with Eric O`Flaherty last night and Michael Bourn this morning, Frank Wren and the Braves wrapped up a busy 12 hours or so by coming to terms with Jair Jurrjens on a one-year deal worth $5.5 million.

The deal, first reported here by the guys over at MLB Trade Rumors, also has incentives that will give Jurrjens $25,000 each time for reaching 175, 180, 190, 200, 210, and 215 innings pitched in 2012.

With Jurrjens signed, the Braves have now signed all of their arbitration eligible players for the 2012 season.

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Nicely done.

Now, let’s play some ball!

I cannot wait for Spring Training.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Jan 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

So...

Braves 2012 = Braves 2011 – Brooksy – Sea Bass + TP

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Seems a tad high

by drumzalicious on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Nah, he’s worth every penny.

by Broccoman on Jan 17, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the incentives . If he can actually make it to 200 innings , he’ll earn another $1M .

by bravesdude on Jan 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Another $100K. Incentive to like the incentives even more…

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats right .

It was another $25,000 every 25 innings . I don’t know where I got another $1m from .

by bravesdude on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be interesting if Starting pitchers got paid by their IP?

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d see guys throwing a “Big Z” tantrum in the dugout every time they got pulled in the 5th with 2 guys on.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Jan 17, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it was $150K at the max of 210 IP

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

215 IP*

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s correct, I was just covering the amount for 200 IP.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow so far these offseason moves have really got me fired up

"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam

by Adam_S on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

This is a good bit higher than I expected

For a guy who’s been hurt each of the last two seasons, and didn’t pitch all that well in one of them. I guess I underestimated the Scott Boras effect…which is partially why I keep thinking Jurrjens will get traded.

I like the incentives structure, but it’s really chump change, maxing out at $150 K. I feel like the incentive structure should have been tripled, with a base salary closer to $4.75 million. When I guessed he would make $4.75 million previously, I thought I was on the high end because the guy had been hurt.

Honestly, I feel like the Braves should have gone to arbitration rather than sign this one-I feel like a guy’s injury history is one big thing you can take to the arbitration board to win points.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

The injury thing

should have hepled our cause in salary seeing how it has obviously affected his value in the trade market .

by bravesdude on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

mlbtraderumors had him projected at 5.1 mil so it is a litle higher than expected. Boras probably had something to do with that.

by airman in bama on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Prado got a little more than projected too, I wonder if they bumped them up for having to read all the trade rumors this off season.

"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first

by bighop on Jan 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

probably more because of their actual perceived value the team, wanting to be very fair, and also wanting to avoid the enmity that tends to fester after a Boras-inspired arbitration blood-letting.

by fandave on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going off the thought last year, that D Lowe got the opening day start because his name had been floated during the off-season. You’re probably right though, their value is pretty high.

"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first

by bighop on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Prado's only slightly above what you'd project

Jurrjens is what I’d call significantly higher. I don’t get it, with a guy who’s been hurt twice in two years and spent one of those not pitching very well.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But he was an All Star

a shiny tag like that has to look good in front of the arbitrator.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's when I start floating out the advanced stats

But that usually only works out in favor of players, seldom in favor of the team. I’d still have taken my chances there, I think. I doubt he could have gotten much more than this-it seems like a good risk/reward endeavor.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t work in arbitration, period. The arbitration officials are not baseball guys, they’re lawyers and judges without any ties to the game. I don’t like the Braves shot of winning arbitration when Scott Boras can say 50-33, 3.40 ERA, and an all-star appearance at the age of 25. If you don’t know a lot about the game, that sounds pretty incredible…

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard anecdotes

That certain guys have started trying to use advanced stats to gain leverage in arbitration, and that it works for players. At least, to demonstrate how they’re better than the standard numbers might indicate.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

I feel like saying, “Well, yes, but the guy has gotten hurt twice and missed significant time after both injuries, and his value on the trade market has suffered as a result” would be a great rebuttal, to the arbitration board.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 17, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome news

and he is signed to a team friendly contract as well to boot

love that guy

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Can someone please explain arbitration in lehman's terms.

As dumbed down as possible because I really don’t understand it. I’ve tried, but I have not gotten anywhere.

Thanks peeps!

"This stadium is upside down!!!" -Jim Powell, 4/5/2010

by Cammando2317 on Jan 17, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

I'll give it a shot

Years 1-3:
You are under team control. You get paid what they give you, which is typically league minimum, with a nominal raise each year. Typically, prior to the new CBA, it tended to look like: $419k, ~450k, ~$500k

Years 4-6/7:
Arbitration years. Depending on the call-up date and service time accrual, a player is entitled to three or four arbitration years. In arbitration years teams use stats and other measures to a player’s value, and offers them a figure. The player can accept it, and then there’s no issue, or in most cases, the player wants more money, and they ask for something higher. If no agreement can be reached by team and player, they go to arbitration, where a bunch of non-baseball lawyers and business heads listen to both sides, and they decide what the player is worth. At this point what these people choose to side with is what the player plays for.

Think of arbitration as court; two sides against one another, and it’s an invasive process that both parties typically want to avoid at all costs, because the player wants to know why he’s not making what he wants, and the team bringing out all of the negative reasons to justify why they don’t want to give it to him. This is primarily why it’s always a good thing to see headlines saying “so and so avoided arbitration by settling to X deal.”

With each year in arbitration, there is a minimum raise that is mandatory, the numbers I’m not up to speed with. For example EOF went from Arb 1 ~$900k to Arb 2 ~$2M (<100%) for doing well, whereas Jesus Flores, being mostly an injury risk went from just Arb 2 $750k to Arb 3 $850k.

In superstar cases, like Joey Votto, entering his first Arbitration year would have warranted gigantic money, so the Reds instead signed him to a three year deal which bought out all of his arbitration years (he was called up early, therefore had no Arb 4 year eligibility), which gave Votto stability in knowing he’d get paid no matter what for three years, and the Reds some potential salary relief if Votto contributes more statistically than what he’s being paid in the three years.

Non-tendering in the midst of arbitration years makes players free agents early. As in the case of Peter Moylan, it was mandatory for the Braves to give him a raise from his $2M salary, as he was entering his arb 3 year. But being an injury risk, the Braves didn’t want to do such, so they non-tendered him, making him a free agent. At this point, they were allowed to re-sign him for a cheaper deal, to protect themselves from a larger financial loss if he turns out to be still hurting, or ineffective. But typically, any really useful or good player doesn’t get non-tendered in the first place.

Year 7 or 8, depending on service time accrued:
And after all the arbitration years are done, a player is now a free agent.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks alot hobbs.

"This stadium is upside down!!!" -Jim Powell, 4/5/2010

by Cammando2317 on Jan 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Great explanation, thanks

by niceguy876 on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

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