Atlanta's Season Ends With A 13-Inning 4-3 Loss To Philadelphia
by SCrebel10 on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 AM EDT
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And so it ends. Atlanta had a 10.5 game lead on August 25th and and couldn't hold it. This one was as gut wrenching as a regular season game can get. This sucks.
Philadelphia opened the scoring in the top of the first inning, as Hunter Pence walked with two outs and scored on a double from Ryan Howard to make it a 1-0 game.
The Braves responded in the bottom of the first inning. Michael Bourn singled and then stole second. He advanced to third on a ground out from Martin Prado and scored on a sacrifice fly from Chipper Jones to tie things up at one.
Joe Blanton left after two innings, and gave way to Cole Hamels in the bottom of the third. With runners on first and second with no outs, Atlanta attempted a double steal with Chipper at the plate. Bourn appeared to be safe at third but was ruled out, and it looked like the Braves had run themselves out of the inning.
Luckily, Dan Uggla followed with a two-run homer, his 36th of the season, and made it a 3-1 game in favor of the Braves.
The score held until the top of the seventh inning, as a Raul Ibanez double and Placido Polanco single put runners on first and third with one out. Carlos Ruiz reached on an error by Jack Wilson, allowing Ibanez to score and cutting the Braves lead to 3-2.
Hudson left after that, finishing with a line of 6.1 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, and 4 K.
The rest after the jump..
Eric O'Flaherty followed and escaped the inning by inducing a huge double play ball.
Jonny Venters entered to pitch the bottom of the eighth, and got into a jam of his own. 2 walks and a hit by pitch loaded the bases with two outs for Ibanez, but Venters struck him out to end the inning.
Atlanta called on Craig Kimbrel to pitch the ninth inning and attempt to close out the game. He allowed a single and two walks to load the bases with one out for Chase Utley. Utley managed to fly out to deep left, scoring pinch runner Pete Orr and tying the game at three.
Kimbrel walked Pence to load the bases again, and was pulled in favor of Kris Medlen. Kimbrel threw 29 pitches, 16 of which were balls. Medlen escaped the bases loaded jam by getting Michael Martinez to pop out in foul territory by third base.
Atlanta couldn't score in the bottom of the ninth, and the game went to extras.
The Braves came close to ending it in the bottom of the 12th, as Jason Heyward singled and advanced to second on a sacrifice bunt from Jack Wilson.
After a Brooks Conrad strikeout, the Phillies intentionally walked Michael Bourn to put runners on first and second. A wild pitch advanced Heyward to third, but Prado couldn't get him in.
Scott Linebrink entered to pitch the 13th inning and performed, well, like Scott Linebrink. Linebrink walked Brian Schneider and gave up a single to Utley to put runners on first and third with two outs. Hunter Pence followed with a bleeding single to right of Freddie Freeman that scored Schneider and gave Philly a 4-3 lead.
David Herndon closed out the game in the bottom of the 13th, surrendering a walk to Dan Uggla and nothing more. Freddie Freeman grounded into a double play to end it.
Until next year Braves fans..
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If Frank Wren wants any support from me
He needs to fire Fredi and either put Lowe in AAA or just release his ass.
I don’t think I can ever watch either of those two idiots in a Braves uniform again.
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Lowe’s contract comes off the books, like now.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
How?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It doesn’t?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
(rage face)
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
One more year.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Give me a break
No one wants Lowe. Just release his ass. Look at how the Giants immediately improved in September when they cut Aaron Rowand and Miguel Tejada. It’s not a coincidence.
How is derek lowe an "idiot"
he’s had a incredible career, he’s a pro athlete, he has aged and should now retire. sux he got caught drunk driving, but come on, don’t we all AMIRIGHT?
Fredi, is an idiot.
by chop goes da weazel on Sep 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lowe was champ when we hired him,Fredi was a B. Cox disciple.
what did you expect?
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
Not that any corrections matter, but...
13 innings. Runners were on first and third when Pence hit the bloop, and runners advanced to third only on the wild pitch.
Fuck it. Lost $750, and now i’m like : (
Jason Heyward homeruns make babies stop crying.. Jason Heyward homeruns also make babies, period.
by TheMelkHasSpoiled on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
OK Frank Wren...get to work.
We’ll need better pieces in SS and LF, as well as bullpen depth. Got some starters to unload too…
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s been 1 year, and basically with Bobby’s leftover team, and really not that great of an offense because we’re relying on a 39 year old, and a second baseman who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn for half the year.
Fredi is actually the least of our worries.
by garlick on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That second baseman
practically has put up MVP like numbers the second half of the season . And without him and the "39 year-old " , this team wouldn’t have been in a position to make the playoffs at all this year .
by bravesdude on Sep 29, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heyward 220. something.
Minnors plz
by Grey Rider on Sep 29, 2011 6:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Might need to trade for someone and overlook the web gems…SS has been an offensive black hole
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't have a shitty glove at SS
on a pitching oriented team with Uggla at 2B.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Uggla’s defense wasn’t the liability everyone said it would be.
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It would be a collective liability with a mediocre SS.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Yes it was, he’s got almost no range and made a bunch of throwing errors
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
No he did not. Uggla only made 15 errors all season.
Uggla’s defense was a pleasant surprise. If you had told me he’d only make 15 errors all year, I’d be pleased with that. People were expecting him to be Ian Desmond. He gets an exaggerated bad rap because of the ’08 All-Star Game.
by AmgineRmEht on Sep 29, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if people were expecting Uggla to fall flat on his face every time he went to field a ball, so they were impressed that he was able to play the position about as well as a 47 year old guy in a beer league could.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
by Lennox on Sep 29, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I gues he got out to a…decent start. But soon enough his lack of range kicked in. He was, yeah, terrible. Predictably terrible.
Chipper Jones wasn’t great at third base, Prado wasn’t great in LF, and Freddi had limited range at first base. For a team that relies heavily on good defense, we didn’t have that good of a defense.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Uggla, yeah, he looked okay early on, but once his legs weren’t 100% fresh his range fell off the cliff.
I think that happened with Prado to some degree in LF too.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
It's definitely a factor in why Prado was terrible over the season's last two months
He was playing every single fucking day and was tired as hell, sore, and never got a day off. First year in the outfield, had to run around more than he was used to, and it wore on him. And Fredi never bothered to try to give him extra time off.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
You have to tip your cap to their pitchers tonight. All 14 of them…
Disgrace, thy name is Bravos. Just to make me feel better: go Rays!
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by Jman781 on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I dont know what to do with myself
this is the biggest a team I have ever rooted for choked
by Texastriplecrown on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
Its worse than 18-1
At least you made it to the Superbowl
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Sep 29, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd disagree.
The entire country was rooting against the Pats in that superbowl. It had one of the best plays in the history of the game too. We just couldn’t overcome injuries, bad calls (were those 2 balls called on Kimbrel that close? Radio announcers were really whining), and errors. Let’s go any team besides the phils
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
Imagine being the Bills in the early 90's.
Pats fans lived the dream.
DawgSports/Falcaholic/Talkin' Chop
That was the only thing worse
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Sep 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, not sure why I put 16. Fixed it. Been a long night.
"If you go out to a bar, pick up a chick, take her home, but can't close the deal, we used to call that "Calling Dan Kolb in for relief."-Talking Head
Yeah, the game went over four hours I guess.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Bourn was out when his feet left the bag at 3rd…
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It looked like he held one foot on the bag.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
They were both off, otherwise he definitely beat the tag.
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you looked at the replay clearly both feet were off the bag – and when Fredi went to argue it appeared that is exactly what the umpire told him thus not much of a fight
by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at least they are still playing "Chop This House" commercials
Honestly, at the end of the day, we just weren’t good enough. Sucks to lose like this, but we need to make some moves in the offseason and be better for it next year
But we were good enough. Maybe not good enough to beat the Phillies...
But the Brewers and Diamondbacks didn’t scare me. Oh well, i don’t have words.
Jason Heyward homeruns make babies stop crying.. Jason Heyward homeruns also make babies, period.
by TheMelkHasSpoiled on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we were. I think we could've beat any of those teams
and swept the dbacks. But we needed to get in first and we weren’t good enough
I am beginning to think that
“Chop This House” did us in….
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Sep 29, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on
Jurrjens and Hanson going down in August was the issue, not a marketing slogan…
by AmgineRmEht on Sep 29, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Braves will have company in their off season misery....
The Boston Red Sox just dropped a huge ball….
I’d rather watch little kids play BASEBALL then anyone play SOCCER
Momentum, ours it was not.
So many opportunities wasted, can’t win like that.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
does Frank Wren have a twitter, so we can bomb that shit with #FIREFREDDI
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
New Manager normally = new staff
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, i want a whole new staff
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Im on it, wee need to make a fan post and rally the troops
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Fredi Apologist no more.
Sorry, I stayed with him as long as I could
by Texastriplecrown on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
watching the rays Yankees game
that´s why i love baseball…. but i would give anything to feel that….
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
The sickness is spreading...
Michael Bourne just said “gotta tip your cap.”
by Aaron Meier on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That should be the Braves new marketing motto
Braves baseball. Gotta tip your cap.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Once more ...
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
by NCChopper on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
At this point, it seems that the Braves just weren’t as good as we thought they were. Their offense is average, at best. Sure, they have a solid bullpen, but they obviously couldn’t get it done when it mattered most.
I’m pissed the season is over, but I’m also comfortable saying that we aren’t one of the four best teams in the NL.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
The Braves are a 4-legged stool with one bad leg...
and that leg is our offense. Defense, starting pitching and our bullpen were all that was holding us up. Once we lost 2 starters, and a 3rd went into epic fail mode, it shifted even more of the load to the ‘pen, which simply couldn’t maintain the frantic pace. This was a systematic failure that ended with utter collapse. It is imperative that we fix that fourth leg.
by Aaron Meier on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Our defense was not that great.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, but it could be better.
Wouldn’t say it’s “holding us up.”
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Except when, like
a sure double play bounces off of Jack Wilson
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Still don't really fault him there.
Bad hops are bad hops, and he played it off his chest. Just had a lot of topspin on it.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Braves were 4th in the league in fielding percentage
Sounds great to me
Hopes for the offseason
1. Somehow trade Lowe
2. Fire Fredi
3. Fire Parrish
4. Chipper Retires
5. Get new LF (or 3B) and SS.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
How the hell can you have Chipper Retires on there?
He had a great season!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Chipper is going to make 13 mil. to be better than average. I’d rather see him be our hitting coach.
Money, money, money, money, money.....
Chipper isn’t retiring, nor should we want him to. We’ve got McLouth and Kawakami coming off the books. There’s your $13 million (relatively)
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Prado shouldn't be getting a raise
And I’d like to see both of them packaged in a deal to get a legitimate left fielder.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is, who is going to want either of them? Prado has been totally exposed this season and JJ can’t stay healthy.
They are both young and still have value.
Someone would give us something good for them.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Terrible season for him, for sure.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Don't think he sucks
He’s just not very valuable as a left fielder, especially when he isn’t patient enough to post a decent OBP even when his average is around league average.
He’s REALLY not valuable when he moves to a less important defensive position and hits worse than he did last year. Unfortunately, what arbitrators tend to look at is playing time, because, “If he wasn’t helping you very much, why was he playing every day?” so we’re going to get beaten in his arbitration case.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Again
He’s valuable if he’s playing a premium position, and if he’s hitting as well as he did last year. This was a crappy season.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Agreed
People seem to have very short memories. This year was basically an anomaly for him, and his struggles were a theme consistent throughout the team.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Sep 29, 2011 12:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
and he has a much greater MLB sample than Heyward, thus the longer leash.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Lots of raises though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Depends on what he'll take, I think.
Shouldn’t get anywhere near $2MM again.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He may not even be able to pitch
So this may not be an issue.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no need to re-sign Moylan. That said, I’m worried about some serious regression from O’Ventbrel next year due to the overuse: projected BP for 2k12
O’Ventbrel
C-Mart
Medlen
Gearrin
LOOGY (Sherrill again perhaps?)
Another option is to use Medlen in the 7th inning role, and demote O’Flaherty or Venters to LOOGY status, using them occasionally as 7-8th guys, and having another long man or having Ascenio or Vizcaino in the pen.
Emotions aside ...
The health reason scares me the must – they said tonight his right knee was bone on bone – how much longer can he go ? Maybe he gives us 100-110 games next year healthy ?
by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 29, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There's no way Chipper retires with this kind of ending
And there’s no reason to want him to leave anyway.
I want a guy that wont miss a guaranteed 40 games a season, causing guys who should not be starting to be in the lineup. It brings more negatives than Chipper can add, especially with his waning defense.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Please name one person that’s available that can fill Chipper’s spot.
Aramis Ramirez….and done. David Wright, if the Mets are actually willing to trade.
That’s it.
Best of luck getting either.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Sep 29, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's ready committed to next season.
Just reaffirmed that in the postgame interview.
by Aaron Meier on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d like to see him take a payroll cut to around 7-8 million and allow the Braves to add pieces to help him go out with a championship. 120 games of baseball is not worth 13 mil.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
120 games seems high for a 40 year old.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Sep 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point, i’d say Lowe couldn’t have pitched any better if his goal was to stay in Atlanta.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Boston
We can walk off together with hands on throats. We’re second page news now. Tim Hudson is a fucking champion.
Tim Hudson IS a fucking champion
Let’s get that guy a ring next year.
I remember
When I was criticized for saying the playoffs weren’t a lock…well then.
This team is a bunch of chokers. Martin Prado is very overrated
Bright side: We were the biggest chokers in MLB history, but only for about 30 minutes.
Go Rays! Go D’Backs!
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
Rays sounds like Braves, so I am just gonna pretend we hit that walk off
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Watch the walkoff replay
With the sound off and your eyes closed. You can almost believe it.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
welp...
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
They will never fire Fredi. That would actually take balls.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
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If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you guys probably don't want any sympathy from a Phillies fan
but, your team still played hard all season. It was never a “breathe-easy” moment for the Phillis, until halfway through September. On the bright side, your bullpen still kicks ass, despite the Blown Save and what not, you still only gave up 3 runs in over 9 innings, and one was because of an error on your backup shortstop, another because of a broken bat bloop hit barely out of the infield. Hopefully, next year is just as intense.
by Philly Greg on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You know it will be, remember all these Braves fans are spoiled. Must have sucked to be a Phillies fan from about 91 to 2005.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
this actually makes me feel better. Thanks.
I do hope yall get swept though
by Texastriplecrown on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate that.
You represent your fanbase much classier than some of the others that venture here just to rub our noses in the painful losses these past couple weeks.
We always know any win against the Phillies must be earned and your team proved it again tonight.
Now, forgive me if I root for your opponent from this point out :-)
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
Most of us get a bad rep
Because most of “us” are fans from 2008. True Phillies fans know what it’s like to lose…a lot. And I’m only 21 saying that. And don’t worry, I was rooting for you guys to lose tonight, so it only makes sense for you to root for us to lose Saturday :P
by Philly Greg on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
Sympathy from a Phillies fan feels pretty good right now. Thank you for not being a douche.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Sep 29, 2011 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Until next season....
It was a fun season for 5 months, the last month has been painful. Fire Fredi and ship Lowe off somewhere and we’re looking better for next year.
by clicheguevara85 on Sep 29, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
I feel a little bit better with Boston collapsing as well.
But I still feel horrible.
by delicious_dimes on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
Chipper just said it felt "out of control"
after the game where he lost the ground ball in the lights.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yes, we all know that chipper.
we all started panicking at that point too. the most unclutch game ever.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
It started to go sideways
That Friday in St. Louis. They only needed to win one game to make a major dent in the Cards and that was the best shot. Venters’ pissing away that Sunday game against the Mets was the second blow and the Omar walkoff was the coup de grace.
It's so weird
I thought everything was back to normal. Last week when the Cardinals lost two in a row and the Braves exploded on Strasburg. When the crazy play with Bourn happened in the 9th in the Strasburg game, I thought, “The mojo has finally returned.”
The Braves were 3 games up with 5 to go. It looked like a lock. They looked dead in the water until, on cue, Marmol’s total meltdown gave them new life. The Braves go 0-5 to finish the season and the Cardinals go 4-1.
Baseball.
what to say
Its great that we still owe Lowe $14 million. Our next right field superstar is worse than Francouer ever was. Our manager has faith in Scott Linebrink. I would rather consume my own urine than watch Linebrink pitch in a big moment. This stings like no other year, injuries be damned, I am pissed, and will blame everyone from Frank Wren to Kenshin Kawakami to that asshole that won a million bucks on a video game perfect game last year. I hope Hunter Pence slips and falls and has a bat accidently slip into his anus. I also hope that Charlie Manuel has back tax issues and is sent to fort leavenworth for 30 years. Ok, I done with my rant. No I am not, screw the phillies, you pack cheesesteak fat bastards. No one likes you, I hope a rampant case of face aids is beset upon phillies fans. I hope I kept this clean enough to stay, because it is pure meltdown stuff, nothing more.
by BamaThrasher on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i have no ill feelings towards manuel
i just hope we get to flip the script on them next year
Me either
They did the right thing. Didn’t want to have it handed to us
thank you
I try my best. As a fan, devastated, but you can’t lose a sense of humor about it.
by BamaThrasher on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This is over the top and rediculous
But i needed that. Thank you
"Excuses are a disease." -Cam Newton
I think Heyward can recover.
It just wasn’t happening mid-season.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Heyward
…has a ton of upside and walks, something Francouer never does. He’s going to be fine. It’s like a lot of fans have never heard of the “sophomore slump,” geez.
by clicheguevara85 on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Living in Philly, I often find myself in close quarters with female Phillies fans, so I have to hope that face aids prediction does not come true.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
please understand
that this is a parody meltdown, some of it serious, not most of it.
by BamaThrasher on Sep 29, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If only the Braves had had the decency to fake THEIR meltdown.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Silver lining, my NLCS 1992 DVD should arrive this week
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
just don’t remember what happened after the NLCS
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
I was 3, so I don’t :)
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It was 100 times more painful than today.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
Now what am I going to do for 3 hours a night for 6 months?
by Ivan the Great on Sep 29, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
Find a life?
/inthesameboat
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Say what you want about Fredi, but...
This is the Braves way. We’ve been to the playoffs or situations like this thousands of times since the beginning of our great run. We’ve never really been able to manufacture runs, Bobby Cox coached us for the 3-run HR, then we all get pissed off all season long because of all of Fredi’s BUNTS? lol
We can’t have it both ways.. And did you see how dead our dugout was pretty much the whole game? It’s simply pathetic! We always have “that” look… all of these upstarts and inexperienced teams and shitty franchises ALWAYS own us in these situations, we’re NEVER hungry. We always look like we’re sitting back “waiting” for something to happen.
Fredi mismanaged Jason Heyward this season, yet let Uggla play through an even WORSE slump.
Fredi NEVER played David Ross.
Fredi busted a Dusty Baker (well and Bobby Cox) and pretty much killed Kimbrell, O’Flaherty, and most importantly Venters.
Fredi stuck with Varvarro but didn’t play Gearrin? WTF!
Fredi played Diaz over Heyward after that trade was made, as if Diaz is some type of stud or something.
With all of that said, it’s the apathy and lack of killer instinct that Bobby Cox has breeded in our organization. Bobby was one of the top 3 or 4 managers of all time, but we can’t be surprised when we choke and have that apathetic look on our faces in the dugout either.
I’m PISSED!
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
Bench usage down the stretch was bad. Ross disappeared. Heyward had 6 PAs in the last 4 games, all must-win games.
EXACTLY!
Heyward is the future (and the present) for him to be jerked around and in the 8 hole when he DID play. Then getting benched for Costanza (which was blazing hot, so I understand a platoon at least) and then MATT FREAKING DIAZ!?
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Heyward was toast.
You saw the AB he did get. Kid is lost up there and had no business playing every day. He needs the offseason in a bad way.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Matt Diaz has similar ABs, but..
Heyward is a cornerstone of the future of the team, Matt Diaz or Costanza are not. Also Heyward’s OBP is better than Uggla, and Uggla has looked worse than Heyward this season at his low and was never removed from the lineup or replaced 2 marginal MLB bench players.
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
about there not being many better options. I would probably have stuck with Constanza just because he never strikes out. His speed will get him on a good bit. That said, putting your young star out there every day when he’s struggling could end up being counter productive.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That's true, but..
Having him ride the bench doesn’t help him either, nor does being a late game defensive sub. Bobby let Kelly Johnson ride through a 1-42 start of his MLB career. Fredi let Uggla hit sub .200 for darn near the whole year. Fredi also ran Jordan Schafer and his .205 average out there at the LEAD OFF SPOT, but messed around with Heyward. If he was that bad, send him down!
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
They should have.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I also agree
that they should have . As much as everyone , including me , wanted Heyward to play , his offense this year was just as much to blame for some losses this year too . Constanza provided a spark for a while , then Heyward started getting more playing time when Georgie cooled off , and had some better at bats . But in the pressure AB’s (RISP) , he still struggled . Course everyone else did also .
the problem is the race in the end was about the PRESENT – not the future !! Uggla figured it out in the second half – 36 HRs and 80+ RBIs overall – Heyward 14 HRs and 30 something RBIs and struggled mightily in the second half – plus you handle younger players differently – probably alot of behind the scenes coaching. That said, Heyward has alot of adjusting to do – hopefully next year is better
by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Check the numbers. Better season than Prado at the plate. Better defense. Diaz had a horrific season. Only Constanza had a higher wRC+ than Heyward (barely) and he finished the season 0-12.
Costanza was clearly hitting over his head
So he was lightning in a bottle sort of speak. With that said, we already know who and what Matt Diaz is. Costanza with at the very least his speed factor should have drawn more starts than Diaz did. Or Heyward based on the simple fact that he’s the future and by the #’s, he was actually middle of the pack production wise of any Braves player.
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Constanza was over his head
but I’m confident he’s a .360 OBP guy, just no power. He makes too much contact and runs too fast not to get on base.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
That sounds like Juan Pierre
and Juan Pierre is NOT a .360 OBP guy. You can’t steal first base, even if you make a lot of contact and are speedy.
by kswissreject on Sep 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
But Constanza has been north of .360
for the past three years in the high minors. One year was almost .380.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
0-12 is three games.
Wonder how many times Heyward went 0-12?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Honestly, if you go back far enough
He finished it like 4-30 or something like that.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I must say I’m glad everyone is here saying “Braves suck ass, I hate this team!!!!!”
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
I love this team. I always have, and I always will...
but the attitude, philosophy, and approach has to change. We are not going anywhere until it does. We have the pieces but the current management and coaches are dragging this team down.
If we can make a few minor adjustments we have the pieces to win a WS or 2…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Sep 29, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s in the subtext
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Just think of this, though
It’s by one game we lost.
4 different times we put Proctor into a tie game that he ended up losing for us. 4 times when we had OTHER options (Kimbrel) still available in the bullpen. Just ONE of those, and we’re still playing tomorrow. Just one fucking game.
Scott Linebrink pitches the last outs of our season while Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, and Mike Minor are still in the bullpen.
We had offers for Derek Lowe in early May, at the peak of his trade value. Frank Wren told Buster Olney that he was pitching very well for us, and that we weren’t interested in trading him.
Don’t make me even mention the whole length of the season that we spent with Jordan Schafer leading off while his OBP was below .300. Or think about all the time that we had Alex Gonzalez batting second. It probably didn’t make a huge difference, but we’re talking about ONE win. Just one. And it’s just tiny little things like that which could have made a difference.
Think about the fact that we had Matt Diaz playing over Jason Heyward during the last week of the season (despite the fact that Heyward had a pretty strong September). Think about the fact that Martin Prado was probably playing hurt for the last month and played EVERY fucking day, and generally stunk.
I seriously want some changes in the coaching staff. Not that I’ll realize it, because I’m seriously done with this team until next April. I refuse to b reminded of this shitstorm that’s so embarrassing to associate myself with.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Don’t try to let anyone tell you every game matters.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
And where the hell was the damn fire from this team just 2 weeks ago? C'mon!
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Hell, there was fire in this team in the first damn inning. And the second.
And then the bats went to sleep, and the team went to sleep like they usually do. EOF got fired up, but that was about it.
I used to like the Braves because they were always calm and collected and always seemed to have a cooler heads do indeed prevail mentality. Even in 2006-2009, the team seem less panicked and more “eh, stuff sucks, we’ll get ’em next year” when they played poorly, and that seemed reasonable.
But now that I’ve seen the dark side of that mentality, bleh. I still love this team and this franchise with everything I have, and I’ll be as big of a sucker next year, and the year after that, but man, the lack of intensity day in and day out towards the end of the year was just brutal.
by Ivan the Great on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
This
They won all those years on talent. Period. We had the stud pitchers and the money to go get a McGriff, Galarraga, or Sheffield while still resigning everybody we wanted to keep. Not that way any more.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Yeah, Wren isn't exactly batting 1.000
He’s done some great things, but McLouth, Lowe, Kawakami, Linebrink, Proctor…. damn.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
exactly.
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Heyward never turned shit around.
I wish he had.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Heyward led the Braves outfield in WAR. Among all Braves OF (bench and starting), 2nd in wRC+ to Constanza, who was dropping like a rock. Check the numbers before you continue this meme.
Take out April
then get back to me. Had he played all year like he did in April he wouldn’t have been on the pine.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
If he played like he had in April all year we’d be in the playoffs and he’d be in MVP talk
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
If he hadn’t played like he did in April, they aren’t playing for a playoff spot tonight. Those wins count too.
Could be.
Wasn’t helping us down the stretch though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Did you watch any games in September? You are verging on pure flame here. He was one of the most productive Braves in September.
He had a five game stretch.
Finished the year 0 for 8 and was barely over .600 OPS for September through 9/17 when his “hot streak” started.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Took you a while to calculate all that. And maybe you missed the hit tonight that represented the winning run.
Rank the following players in terms of September OPS:
Freeman
McCann
Bourn
Prado
Heyward
OK, I'll do that.
While I’m doing that, you rank them based on a reasonable sample size, say, since the All-Star Break. Even including Heyward’s five game torrid stretch he only did .258/.375/.364/.739 in September, hardly All-Star caliber- especially considering his walk rate got a bump from batting eighth.
Look, I’m a huge fan of the kid. Seems to have a great attitude and the talent is clearly there. Why he started consistently swinging through and rolling over pitches he was driving last year is hard to understand, but it’s apparent that “the book” is out on him now. He will need to adjust to be anything more than an average major league hitter.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Shoot if Uggla played like he played in April we’re probably 3rd in the East.
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You gotta check the #‘s bro, that’s not entirely true
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by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying Diaz was a good move, mind you.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Boy, misery does love company.
Maybe we can make enough foursomes with the Red Sox players to make an outing of it?
I think in the back of our minds we knew this was a deeply flawed team
Very talented, yes, but pieces were always missing at crucial times. Maybe I’m just full of hindsight bias but somehow I think we all knew in the back of our minds that this was possible.
Sposed to be SEC
by Old South on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
sorry for enormous bourbon influence on that grammar
Sposed to be SEC
by Old South on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Flawed?! How can you know that everyone would get stage fright and not hit?!
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it took a savant to foresee our offense sucking today
Sposed to be SEC
by Old South on Sep 29, 2011 12:34 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Every team has flaws. Even the Yankees had major question marks in the starting rotation at opening day. The Red Sox spent (total guess) twice as much as the Braves and still didn’t have what it took to make it to the playoffs.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
So who takes Fredi’s place?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
Sad thing is
Nobody. He actually won’t get fired for this.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Dude was crying… really? Schuerholz won’t stand for that kind of crap ruining the brand.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
"We've got faith in our personnel...blah blah blah."
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Is what he’ll tell you.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What does piss me off, is when during a GT in say May and we lost and someone says “It doesn’t matter it is only one game”. Well looks like every game is important, huh?
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
Every manager worth a damn
will sometimes make a decision with the long haul in mind over one game. You have to when you play 162.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please help our movement get trending #FIREFREDDI
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
maybe if you spelled fredi right
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
#FIREFREDI better?
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Freeman was subpar this year.
he must be punished
by Clemson Caniac on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
#FIREFREDDI
Im with it
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you spell?
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Easy killer…
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t meant to be a dick haha
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
twss
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You gonna be around this winter?
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Not unless something happens in Braves Country.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
What is Something
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
New stuff. Trades, dismissals, and arrests.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t UGA football….
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
If Prado doesn’t get traded, Fredi doesn’t fired, and Derek Lowe doesn’t get a DUI, there isn’t much too to talk about.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You tell me, you’re the genius
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to say, but I’m glad its over. Watching this team nosedive over the last month has been painful to watch. It’s sort like breaking up in a bad relationship, it sucks its ended, but glad its over?
Can't believe I'm about to say this...
I wish ChopMaster was around. I need a good laugh.
by Clemson Caniac on Sep 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
Because that would be accurate.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He was banned the last day of the Phillies sweep of us…
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
hahahah
I’m pretty sure he just comments on the SB blog of whoever the Braves are playing. Any time I would lurk at the visiting team’s website, I would always see him.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I have MLB.TV and can go watch every single game from this season. Any suggestions?
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
NONE OF THEM! SEASON IS A FAILURE!
Some early season JJ is always nice.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't even...
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Padres game where Uggla gets heckled and hits homers anyway.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Jurrjens' one-hit shutout against the Orioles
It was a beautiful thing
There’s a hole in his swing, he can’t make it at this rate.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Most people tend to agree with this. He has to modify his swing.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll listen to Chipper when it comes to hitting baseballs.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody who remembers the CRIMEDOG
knows that he and Heyward have the same body build and a somewhat similar stance . I have heard comments on how Jason’s swing is too long and has enough power to go to all fields , which I agree with . This is just an opinion and theory , but if I were to assume the role of hitting coach for one week making Jason my main target , I would move him a touch closer to the plate , close his stance just a bit with his lead foot , and silent his bat before the pitch and shorten his swing . I think this would also help him keep his hands inside the baseball to better drive the ball instead of wrapping the bat , so to speak , around the ball and therefor getting to high up on top the baseball and ground the ball to the right side most of the time .
Yep.
Took a year but the tape has apparently told on him.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Better chance than Fredi
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch it. Saying something negative about Heyward on TC will cause an uproar and may get you banned.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
He's not that bad
but he needs to figure it out.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
honestly next spring training whoever the manager is better tell him he has to earn his spot
right field isnt his to lose anymore
He basically had the best offensive season of any Braves outfielder in terms of wRC+ (counting only Bourn’s play as a Brave). Who is going to take his spot?
That’s not saying much though.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
That’s like finding the prettiest girl in a room full of fat chicks.
by NCBraves on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont know, i just dont want him to have another year like this
but if he comes out and struggles in spring training id send him to the minors for a little while
You're such a fanboy.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Honestly, the first post you make with numbers in it, will be your first ever. Respectfully, you and I should just not talk about Heyward anymore.
That's not true first of all.
But I really don’t care what he did last year at this point. He was awful for five months.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Actually
there stats are pretty close , even if Heyward would’ve gotten the extra AB’s to tie the same amount of plate appearances of Prado . See below .
Prado’s: 551 PA , .260 AVG . , 13 HR , 57 RBI , .302 OBP , .385 SLUG , .687 OPS
Heyward’s: 396 PA , .227 Avg. , 14 HR , 42 RBI , .319 OBP , .389 SLUG , .708 OPS
If Heyward would have kept playing earlier in the year we could debate over wether or not he would continue to struggle , which I think he would have for a little while longer before he started to make some adjustments , or if he would have started to get some better AB’s finally put together . But as they sit , they really aren’t as far apart as you say they are .
I think we may need to give him another year or so before we nominate him the future of the franchise . I think Freeman actually impressed me more with his rookie season this year than Jason did with his last year . He seems to be able to adjust better to pitchers and the situation . Time will tell .
If Freeman impresses you more then you don’t value getting on base enough. Heyward .393 OBP last year is amazing. Far more amazing than Freeman’s .346 OBP. And one of the biggest issues the Braves had this year was the huge drop in OBP. I like Freddie but he is a free swinger that doesn’t walk enough and Ks too much.
Braves Lose
I have never been so sad in my life. The Braves have totally disappointed me. But i know what thing Fredi’s stupid ass and Lowe’s sorry better not be on this team next year. In fact how about someboyd run thier asses over with a car tonight.
If this is the saddest you’ve ever been in your life, consider yourself lucky.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
You do know R.E.M broke up last week right???
I kid, I kid.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take responsibility for this guys, I went to a game in saint louis and cheered for them back in early August, even bought a shirt :(
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
You don’t see that very often… I mean saying Saint vs St. Anyway how was that park?
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
awesome, great fans. At the time a lot had kinda given up and were just there to enjoy the game
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The park is great, but St. Louis sucks hard. The city is really dangerous.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Bright side
Very strong pitching core returning for 2012. Lot to look forward to. But yeah, this was a gut punch. And the choke label never really goes away, but the Red Sox helped.
I hate to admit it, but it was for the best.
Losing the WC hurt, but we’re probably better off for it. A one game playoff would have been a disaster, and might even have wrecked our most talented relievers.
I could tell from watching the game that this team was done for… even if we had come out with a win. The whole team has just run out of gas. Our offense is flat, our pitching is banged up, and worst of all, Venters and Kimbrel look like their arms are about to fall off. Tonight, I didn’t see a team that needed to win; I saw a team that needed to be put out of its misery.
So, Philly… I still hate you and hope you implode during the playoffs, but thank you for finally pulling the plug on this Terry Schiavo case.
Definitely my low as a non-participant sports fan, I don’t even have the words.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Trade JJ, Trade Lowe
Get a SS. Get a back-up SS.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
if you think all we need is a ss – you are sadly mistaken !!
by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 29, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you in principle but it’s tough to solve an anomalous offense.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Can we just call take-backs ont hat trade?
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Nah
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
But isn’t Pastornicky supposed to be ready soon? I thought the prevailing idea was that Sea Bass was hopefully just a place holder for one more season.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Give Pastornicky a run at backup SS…
by TBuzz on Sep 29, 2011 12:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You'd be selling way low on JJ
with the knee.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And you may ask yourself, How did I get here?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Time isn’t holding us. Time isn’t after us.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Go Rays.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
still
no clue why Proctor was on the team so long. Why Fredi benched Heyward but let Dan play half the season batting under .200?
I feel fortunate that I live in Orlando and have the Rays as my other favorite team
I was really hoping to be able to see a Braves-Rays WS matchup, but the braves just couldn’t muster anything. Flipping back and forth from the Atl and Tampa game was like alternating uppers and downers and nearly ODing. A lot of mixed feelings tonight. Thanks to Boston imploding the Braves choke job won’t be realized nationally, so there’s a little solace in that.
d-wade=d-ouche
by captainamerica* on Sep 29, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
Just wanted to counteract some of the non-TGP Trolls
You guys had a good season that was derailed by injuries out of anyone’s control. Your #’s 2 & 3 Pitchers went down and you still took it to game 162. That is incredibly hard to do, and something to be proud of.
Despite the fun we’ll have with it over at TGP and despite the ribbing you’re apt to hear from Phils fans and others in the future, remember this very important fact: This is not comparable to the ’07 Mets. This was not an utter choke by an un-clutch team. It was a very good team unable to overcome some seriously debilitating setbacks that would have sunk supposedly-better clubs long before now.
Good season, guys. Could always count on the Bravos to battle hard until the end, no matter what, and they proved the veracity of that belief tonight. Be well, and we’ll catch you in the Spring.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Sep 29, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very similar to what I wrote above
The Braves are a good team. They played well enough to call themselves the second best in the National League for for 95% of the season. That says something for a team whose payroll is half that of the best team in the regular season in baseball.
Good Season! Wish the Phils luck! :P
by Philly Greg on Sep 29, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I live in St. Louis. I had to turn my phone off tonight because of all the calls I was getting.
I hope Philly crushes the Cards (even though you can’t really blame the Cards, this was all on the Braves).
Even though I despise your team
and your ownership for an ungodly payroll , I do appreciate the fact that there are still classy fans for other teams throughout the major leagues . I just hope you feel the same way about us when we come on your blog and let you know how great your team was throughout the year , even though they failed to make it through to the world series :|>
really appreciate
the kind words from a well educated baseball fan. Thanks
Dale Murphy should be a hall of famer!
by medlenisking on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll say what I said to another Philly fan who posted above:
Appreciate that. You represent your fanbase much classier than some of the others that venture here just to rub our noses in the painful losses these past couple weeks.
We always know any win against the Phillies must be earned and your team proved it again tonight.
Now, forgive me if I root for your opponent from this point out :-)
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
appreciate it man.
Makes me feel a little better. I am in a dark dark place right now
by Texastriplecrown on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, time for a serious post
The future is bright for this club. Let’s be honest, this team was going no where in the post season. There are currently serious flaws. That said, there is lots of money coming off the books, plus a lot of good young talent. Let’s hope that Fredi learns learns a lesson about wearing out his pen, and that we develop some more talent at positions that are currently under performing.
I wouldn’t put too much hope in someone like Fredi. He obviously doesn’t like change.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
McLouth and KK
But to afford a big name anything in FA they will need to find a way to get rid of DLowe
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
After seeing his second half, I can’t imagine anybody wanting him in the offseason.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
by Chipper Pwns on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I would be ok with them packaging some of our lesser pitching prospects for some offensive prospects, maybe a good corner outfielder, which would save us money in two ways
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
i hope we can get an impact player through a trade
maybe for prado and one of the four horsemen
Trading Prado would be selling low, which is something this team doesn't do often
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Not at all ready for the "wait 'til next year," talk.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
May I get a bit serious for a moment?
This SUCKS. The feeling is like being gut punched. Just when you’re on the verge of getting your wish of the playoffs, the lead slips away and you don’t make it. Now we have to wait til next year to root for Braves baseball.
But……..
Trust me, it’s really not that big a deal in the scheme of things. These are men who get paid huge amounts of money to play a game. They are celebrities and most will never have to fret about providing for their families again. And most will take the field again in April to drive us all nuts (good and bad) again.
If you think this is bad – try getting a phone call telling you that you have cancer when you’re still in your 30s (been there) or that you’ve lost a loved one. In perspective – this is just a game with a crappy outcome.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
by NCChopper on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Sports are mostly a let down for fans. The problem with this team was, they took it too seriously. Like you said it is a game, games are meant to be fun.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right.
I just lost my dad about 18 months ago to cancer. He was only 54. Puts a lot of things into perspective. I try to use the braves as a distraction from the crappy things that life throws my way, and try to not ever allow myself to group it in that same category
Dale Murphy should be a hall of famer!
by medlenisking on Sep 29, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
not trying to start a fight
but really? I think we all know sports are just a game. seems someone always has to chime in with the “it’s just a game” post any time a team loses and people are venting.
I’m sure 99.9% of the people venting realize there is a bigger world, but are venting about the team in a team related space.
Thanks for your insight..
and you are right, it’s just a game. Life is so much bigger than the game too…it’s just that in a world with so much sadness, negativity and evil out there, sometimes it’s good to get your mind off of all the bad stuff and for many of us, baseball(the Braves) is just that. It hurts so much when they lose like this because we feel like they are family. We follow them so closely all year and then they have one of the worst collapses in baseball history in the final month to play in the season.
It wouldn’t have been this bad if the team sucked all year. They gave us hope for 5 months of being arguably the second best team in baseball. September came along and SOMETHING went horribly wrong. Our hearts were slowly being torn out and broken. We saw the team crumble in front of our eyes and it was a sore sight indeed. 0-5 to end the season is very tough..especially getting swept TWICE by our nemesis, the last time was the final kill that shattered our dreams for 2011..and in extra innings on top of that, AFTER we already had the game in our reach.
I feel like after that loss last night, my heart was ripped out, thrown on the ground, stomped on and stabbed 100 times then thrown right back in my face. Yes, I know it sounds dramatic, but to lose the way we did is the worst possible way to lose. Of course life goes on and there’s so much more important things out there, it’s just that right now, and for a few months until after the World Series, this is going to continue to hurt like hell.
We will get over it eventually, but it just sucks right now.
by WeStillHaveBobby on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This game was horrible.
But I was really happy for Kris Medlen. He looked great
Dale Murphy should be a hall of famer!
He can be a starter.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Hudson Hanson Beachy Minor Medlen
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT DEREK LOWE IS A PROVEN VETERAN.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
veteran presents!
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade JJ for LF/SS?
Let Lowe scrub toilets for all I care. I think Teheran or Delgado will be in there instead of Medlen. But I am beyond impressed with Delgado so far
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
No joke, the Braves HAVE to unload some pitching.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s peaked. I still like JJ because he has a great attitude, and he’s proved he can make pitches when he wants.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Me neither
Just doesn’t seem like there is much movement on his pitches . I’d rather trade him while the other teams are buying in on his hype and potential .
Medlen has back end of bullpen stuff.
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Dude wants to be a starter.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I know he does…. but he’s got two dominant pitches. You can’t make it 3+ times through a lineup with 2 pitches
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
I didn't know that much about his pitches.
Just knew that he went 6-2 last year before being hurt.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Sep 29, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely!
He came out here and did great for us tonight.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
189 days until Opening Day 2012.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
Cant wait!
Dale Murphy should be a hall of famer!
by medlenisking on Sep 29, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
WEll their football season. And College Basketball, and…who am I kidding? this is gonna suck!
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
Football, yeah, but basketball is pretty much snore-worthy.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
College is bleh because my team has been pretty bleh recently.
We’ll see about this year, though.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
NBA is legit, but will always get a bad rap because it’s so easily manipulated.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Spoken like a true Duck fan =)
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Dunno...we're getting some love from various college basketball people.
Could compete for a tourney berth.
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s it?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m upset, but really I got over being mad about a week ago.
Last year the team was decimated by injuries, but never stopped fighting so I never stopped believing. This year that same “it” just wasn’t there. I still hoped and hoped, but just couldn’t get myself as up .
that said, come spring I’ll be 1000% in supporting and believing.
Last year
hurt quite a bit more for me.
Dale Murphy should be a hall of famer!
by medlenisking on Sep 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year, I cried.
This year, I just sat there numb.
by Aaron Meier on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I threw a kitchen table....
then cried
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Not to pull the Old Guy card, but...
Combine the two and they don’t amount to 5% of 1996. I will never, ever get completely over that.
I was at nlds game 3
and I still hurt from that. that was just a very painful and mindblowing situation. to go from pure elation…i will never forget how loud the stadium was the whole game, and my section literally was shaking from everyone jumping up and down for 5 minutes after the homerun. then in the 9th, 2 strikes, 2 outs…it was so gloriously loud and joyful. the pain of what happened next was so jawdropping, but i felt proud of those braves nonetheless. i thought they were somewhat charmed. but they also were a scrappy team that fell on hard times and still fought tooth and nail all season. they gave so many awesome memories.
these braves were a terribly boring bunch, hardly ever charging in the late innings (mlb most last atbat wins notwithstanding), terrible at bats in the clutch, and let’s face it…this pain has been ongoing for a few weeks now, and we were let down somewhat gently. the writing had been on the wall for a while. but when i look back, i see a team with a piss poor attitude the past 2 weeks, tentative, scared, waiting for the other shoe to drop in any given situation or game, inability to deliver a good at bat in the clutch, walking pitchers with the bases loaded… i’m proud of kimbrel for his debut season which was unbelievable overall, and for venters until he got raggedy armed, i’m proud of freeman for his great rookie year…but for the team, i can hardly find something to be proud of. there was no defining moment.
well, we ruined the season of the defending champs pretty good, and when Freddie hit the walkoff against Wilson, I really started believing this team could do something. but this team bent…and then broke. so for me, there is no solace in this season, no redeeming quality to the team this year, and nothing to ease the utter disappointment i have going on right now.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
by walknbalk on Sep 29, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Random question
Does anyone know why I can’t post comments or use the Z key in Google Chrome?
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
Because Fredi Goznalez is an idiot.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Sep 29, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
hahahahahahaha
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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by KINGSLYTUT on Sep 29, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Sep 29, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh dude, I'm in tears
Thank you for that
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Sep 29, 2011 1:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish
we got to end the season against the worst team in baseball while the Cards had to play one of the best.
Any guesses for opening day line up?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
Stab at it
CF Bourn
LF Prado
3B Jones
2B Uggla
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Heyward
SS Pastornicky
P Hudson
"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 29, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Prado's bat in LF
I think he should try and learn SS, he would be WELL ABOVE AVERAGE production wise at SS.
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Sep 29, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Bourn
Pastornicky
McCann
Uggla
Chipper
Freeman
Heyward
Prado
Delgado
Jason Heyward homeruns make babies stop crying.. Jason Heyward homeruns also make babies, period.
by TheMelkHasSpoiled on Sep 29, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I won’t even. But we better have a new SS and preferably a new LF with Prado as super utility
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
I'm surprised
he can’t play short. He plays 3rd, 2nd, 1st, and left, how hard would it be to play short.
Shortstop needs a lot of range and a great arm, harder than any of the ones you names.
I was an SS in HS ball, and I couldn’t play 2B worth shit, haha.
Jason Heyward homeruns make babies stop crying.. Jason Heyward homeruns also make babies, period.
by TheMelkHasSpoiled on Sep 29, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow Fredi’s interview on Sportscenter was really bad. He tipped his cap to the Cardinals and made a passing excuse about the rookies. Never mentioned the bats totally disappearing. He doesn’t get it at all.
Who would replace him? I think he’s done.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be infinitely more surprised at Braves firing Fredi over this
than of the entire collapse itself.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
How do you expect anyone to be able to fill Bobby’s shoes? I bet he’s just keeping the seat warm for someone else.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
WORST COLLAPSE ON HIS FIRST WATCH.
good for him. way to start your career with the Bravos you idiot.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Or any game! He is obviously too soft for this job.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he tried to play it off like no excuses but why even bring up the rookies possibly being the issue at all. It just really struck me wrong.
he deserves to be fired just for crying. THERE'S NO CRYING in BASEBALL!
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I KNOW! He and Tebow now have something in common.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he was crying.
He was showing his exhasperation with the question.
by Aaron Meier on Sep 29, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a moment I thought he was crying, then I realized he was just sighing and giving the reporter a dirty look.
Because the reporter was in the process of trying to insinuate that Kimbrel and Venters were the reasons we are in this position, if I recall correctly.
The rookies freaking carried this team for stretches. And they are the reason why this team will be great in the next few years. What a moron. Just wear the loss. Part of being the manager.
I just don’t understand why it never gets brought up about the terrible pitch selection on offense. The single most important thing for the Braves to take away and fix is the quality of ABs. The constant swinging at balls out of the zone has to stop.
Chipper's been saying the same stuff
“We’ve had a starting rotation with three rookies” blah blah blah
There's no crying in baseball.
There’s no crying in baseball.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
REALLY!! HE PUT THIS ON THE ROOKIES!
Ok. I have lost it. Rookies carried this team for long stretches interrupted only by Gonzalez blowing games by going to his “veterans” Proctor, Linebrink, and Lowe.
That he would place this on his rookies is one of the big reasons we choked down the stretch. If that is true, it is absolutely classless.
He needed to be fired before. Now he better cover his head lest he catch a rotten tomato in the face one the way out.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Sep 29, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't blame the damn rookies
Jeez, people
Are you being metaphorical?
Or did he actually use the term “tip your cap” again. Because if he did…that’s just unreal.
"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."
His skill set line up well for a set up man.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
I just covered my roommate’s poster of a naked… well i dont know who it was some girl… anyway i covered it with a giant poster of nacho libre. A giant shirtless Jack Black jumping down haha
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
I hope your roommates like you.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
They do. Surprise bday party earlier (^.^) but ya hes gonna be…. haunted i hope
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Nice.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Just watched Chipper on post game interview on Braves Live..
HE sounds more like a manager after a tough loss tonight than the one wearing that hat.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
I missed it.
What did he say?
Jason Heyward homeruns make babies stop crying.. Jason Heyward homeruns also make babies, period.
by TheMelkHasSpoiled on Sep 29, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He was saying how these young guys will learn from “getting their butt kicked” for the last 2 weeks and use it next year. He said they left it all out there, but iate in regulation, “got a little wild out there.”
He was saying he regrets he didn’t go up to Kimbrel and tell him to just play catch with BMac….he said he thought “he’s got this” and didn’t and now in hindsight, he wished he had gone up to him mid inning.
He committed to next year, but “not beyond that” with a big smile.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
If that’s the case, next year HAS to be the year the Braves win it so Chipper can go out on a high note.
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
Well I think I will go watch the Bartman think now, just think how bad he feels ALL THE TIME.
Old Hoss is ready.
by Taylor Masters on Sep 29, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
Swing and a miss. Is that you Jason Heyward?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'm glad we can at least be here for one another so neither looks quite as bad as it would alone.
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USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 29, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We're the Epic Fail Twins, and both teams started in Boston! Awesome! :/
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
You can take the team out of Boston, but you can't take the Boston out of the team I suppose.
Even with the way things HAD been going until today. Somehow this all seems too familiar.
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USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 29, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully
We face each other more than 3 times next year
by a hooter's baby on Sep 29, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tough loss everybdy
This one will sting for awhile, but the way we played down the stretch, the better team made the playoffs. Oh well, there’s always next year.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Goodnight all…my 6am alarm will be sounding before I want it to.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
Take the day off, you deserve it.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodnight.
See you around! Slash we will be in touch!
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Looking ahead...
I only hope that the Braves use this as a fuel during the offseason to get better, and not the other way around.
by Jey Hey Saves The Day on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Can we release Lowe? That sack of shit is done.
We need more bats and more experience.
Bullpen?
How about one more lockdown reliever to take the heat off the big 3? Their overuse clearly showed (except for O’Flaherty) down the stretch.
by Jey Hey Saves The Day on Sep 29, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to know why they didn’t recall Asencio and Gearrin when the rosters expanded. That could’ve helped a lot.
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
Vizaino will be that guy
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Vizcaino is a starter
They used him in the bullpen to limit his innings
Oh, you know, I may have been sitting on this all year
This expresses my feelings tonight quite thoroughly.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Sep 29, 2011 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Could someone
Shoehorn in Fredi tossing the garbage at his feet? That’s the only thing that would make it more perfect.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to stand on my pedestal one more time. The single most important thing to fix is the approach at the plate. The bullpen certainly faltered in September but it was overworked because of a terrible offense. Braves cannot afford to be so homer or bust ever again. The OBP drop-off from last year is incredible. I pray the organization will be able to take a impartial look at the season and realize this fact.
This is so true, truth.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
TP back to hitting coach?
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
i want them to get an established hitting coach, one with a good track record
not somebody from within who they think could do well. Someone that actually has done well in the past
TP had good results last year.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
The Braves were just as awful with RISP last year
The only difference is this team could actually draw walks and have a high OBP
Don Baylor
He helped Chipper Jones hit with authority from the right side when he was hitting coach for us. Hopefully Braves wise up and bring him back.
braves#1
i remember him from the CJ book
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
I really like Baylor as a hitting coach. He was available in this past off-season and we some reason passed on him, and I think he went to Arizona(not sure, but I know he went somewhere). Hopefully he is avail again and we won’t pass up on him. This guy knows his shit, be a perfect hitting coach for us.
braves#1
Are my Gamecocks seriously about to have the best season
out of my teams?
Seriously???
I’m still so numb.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
My emotions summed up in gifs
But now I’m
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
by ATLandUNC on Sep 29, 2011 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
by BeatTehMets on Sep 29, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is great lol. atlanta fail week.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
OH MY FU^CKING GOD
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
The Kanye one is one of my favorite gifs ever. It’s so useful.
by tomahawklove on Sep 29, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
this team wasn't going far without more than one starter
maybe better to get the coup de gras without buying the playoff tix,
yeah, vegas had huddy at like -180
but when worley came in, i knew it wasn’t finished. the phils really have too much talent – worley is awesome.
by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
So ...
I bought some first round playoff tickets, anyone want to buy them?
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
#Braves Kimbrel hard on himself: "The fact of the matter is, everybody on this team, everybody in this clubhouse, showed up to play today and gave everthing they could to win this game, except myself. I didn’t go out there and pitch to my abililty. Part of being a closer is being able to bottle up your emotions and harness them, and I didn’t do that today."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
More from #Braves Kimbrel on emotions: "Just being in the ninth inning, being excited. When you let that get to you you’re not the same pitcher, and I let that get to me today."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I still believe in him
hopefully this will be good for Kimbrel. Next year he’s gonna know exactly what happens when he fails; hopefully this will help him get those emotions under control so he doesn’t fail in situations like this again.
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Normally this would make me laugh very hard. I’m not sure what would make me happy right now.
I am The One Who Shall Remain Avatar-less.
He says wow, for those that can’t read lips.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
Ah, the Mariners series
Remember what it was like to sweep a series against a good pitching staff?
#Braves manager Gonzalez: "It’s sad, because you see the effort that guys have put through since spring training. You see them in the locker room and there’s no tomorrow.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
#Braves manager Gonzalez on whether Kimbrel, Venters looking looked tired recently: "That’s just the way it goes. Maybe they are, maybe they’re not. For me, those are excuses. If we hold their appearances back, maybe we’re a .500 club. "
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
ajcbraves #Braves Chipper: “Having such a big lead and then sitting here after No. 162 and not being in the playoffs is a tremendous disappointment.”
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Chipper is obviously much smarter than Fredi.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
This makes it seem like he doesn't ask them
“Hey guys, how’re the arms doing? How’re things holding up? Do you need some extra rest, etc.” I understand that both JV and CK are gonna say they’re good to go, but as a manager don’t you have to err to the side of caution as much as possible when dealing with young arms?
True, until Sept. callups our bullpen was more limited and so FG had more limited options in close games, but still…
Watching the Rays come back in the 8th inning against the Yankees it is just amazing how patient they were. Please come back next year patient Braves.
that's a cheap-ass payroll, too
the rays are the real ‘moneyball’ team, and have been for years
by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
They obviously have a great manager.
If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.
If there is anything we could do to get Joe Madden I would do it, love the way he coaches
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
gotta
love the Phillies lost what 8 games before facing the Braves and ofcourse they swept the Braves
Bench use was non-existent down the stretch. Fredi pressed the every day guys. No telling what impact rest has one way or the other.
Simple. Fredi thinks Constanza is good and Ross is not. Ross is a “backup catcher” and therefore not a real offensive weapon – just something to use if there are no other options. Constanza is a fast guy that makes things happen.
Well to be fair
That wasn’t an amazing place to bat Ross. You don’t want to waste Ross leading off an inning. Even if his OBP is better I’d rather save him for a chance to drive in runs. But yeah at some point it would have been nice to see Ross.
#Braves Chipper on whether this changes his future plans at all: "No. I’ve committed to playing next year. I won’t commit past that…. I’m looking forward to it."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
#Braves Chipper on team’s late slide: "When you’re in a slump as a team, you find a bunch of different ways to lose. The bats go silent, you get wild on the mound, you walk in runs – whatever. You find ways to lose. Man, we sure did it in the last couple of weeks."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
ajcbraves profile
ajcbraves #Braves Chipper on slide: "Our slump combined w/ the Cardinals playing really good baseball in September, you’ve got a shocking situation."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
#Braves Chipper: "We didn’t achieve our goal. We had it right there, and we let is slip away for one reason or another. That’s a tough pill to swallow."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
we had em
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
You are all looking at this wrong
I will never buy a season ticket again. Dumbass Cox is gone and they have gone and replaced him with an even bigger dumbass. 5th lowest team BA in both leagues. We only got as far as we did because of pitching. I do not care, it is management and coaching. But what the Hell do I know?
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
Dont even know what to say to this....
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
#Braves McCann on whether he came back too soon from DL: "I don’t know. You could always sit back and whatever, I don’t know. I know I’ve learned a lot this year as far as this in the first time I went on the DL. I want to be out there and I want to play. I just didn’t get it done. It was just a bad month of baseball for me. I feel terrible about that."
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I feel terrible about the whole Damned season
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
quotage
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I used to say, Shit mother fucker piss!!!
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
Do you have anything... worthwhile to say?
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
I'm still in shock
I also can’t believe that I went to like 14 games this season and only saw Kimbrel ONCE. That once was tonight. The last time I saw him was last year, NLDS game 3. Maybe he doesn’t like me :(
Off Season
Eat half of lowes contract resign Prado, trade the both of them and Tehran for Kemp. Trade Minor for Moustakas. Sign Jurrjens. Make Chipper the hitting coach.
CF Bourn
3B Moustakas
LF Kemp
C McCann
2B Uggla
1B Freeman
SS Gonzalez
RF Heyward
Bench
Pastornicky Constanza Hinkse Ross Conard
Rotation
Hanson
Hudson
Jurrjens
Beachy
Delgado
Pen
Oflaherty
Venters
Kimbrel
Medlen
Martinez
Moylan
Vavarro
by tombowski02 on Sep 29, 2011 6:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Didn't deserve it.
The team didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. And all of it can be laid at the feet of the manager. How can a squad that’s more talented than it’s predecessor lose 2 more games and self-destruct down the stretch? Was Bobby Cox’s managerial job that fantastic last year?
Fredi Gonzalez deserves to be fired for his performance this year. He can not excuse the team’s record and failings in September. We were relatively healthy all year. We had talent galore. All we had to do was win 2 out of 6 from a couple of division rivals at the end of the year. We won one.
I’m not thinking about next year. I’m going to enjoy the playoffs and root for my “other” team to beat the Phillies in the first round. Poke fun if you want, question my fandom, kick me out of the Braves community… I don’t care. I’m a little less of a Braves fan after last night. They’re still my team, but I would question the sanity of bringing that failure of a leader back next year.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Even the Mets brought Randolph back after 2007
But Fredi will be under a short leash in 2012, I guarantee you that.
LOL
Fredi ended his post-game interview and walked off when a reporter asked him why they chose to pitch to Hunter Pence with Michael F’N Martinez on deck.
What a punk. At least take your lumps.
Bobby stood there and answered everyone who railed him about taking Kimbrel out for Dunn in NLDS Game 3.
There goes our great leader!
What a moron! I agree, even the announcers knew that they stood a better chance with Martinez in the on deck circle.
by RazorbackBrave80 on Sep 29, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Heyward and some others.
I love J-Hey as much as the next he needs to fix his swing but a stint in the minors wont do him any good at this point. When the announcers realize they can probably still strike him out based on his stance at the plate something has to change. I could probably K him when he is halfway off the plate. I agree with some of the comments on Alex yet he was the only Brave hitting above 300 this month and who are we going to get. Do we call upon pastornicky and hope that his numbers and his rise through the minors somehow translates into major league success.
Heyward left a sour taste in my mouth this year dont want a good year from Pastornicky just for him to regress the next. Lowe i agree with wholeheartedly find a way to trade him or release him out right and take the hit. Any thoughts of having pitch in any capcity next year needs to be done with him somewhere else. Larry Parrish must go. When guys that normally hit very well no longer are its all on him. I will say say it Pendelton was better.
Guys were working counts and hitting with runners in scoring postion last year. This year was swing and miss or hit the homer and we cant place our hopes on one swing of the bat every game. As far as Uggla goes I cant fault him 15 errors yeah that is alot for a second baseman but he carried this team after the All-Star break after everyone else faultered and faded. Find a way to dump Lowe, JJ needs a strength coach in the offseason. I always thought his frame was a little small to throw it over the course of the season and Roger needs to work with Hanson on his delivery or his arm will fall off.
Chipper wont be going anywhere, treestand might be calling his name year round next year but any thoughts of trading his Braves uniform to be the spokesman for Mossy Oak he’s going to put on the backburner till the end of next season.
by RazorbackBrave80 on Sep 29, 2011 7:28 AM EDT reply actions
I know ONE thing...
…I shall never vote 100% in a dang poll question again.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
philadelphia teams period
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Sep 29, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wren and Lowe
I know a lot of people want Lowe to leave, but it’s not going to happen. Wren crowed in the offseason about how he was 100% sure to trade Kawakami. I do believe that it was possible to trade Kawakami. The problem was that the Braves were going to have to eat most of the contract. If Wren had been willing to eat close to $5 million of it, maybe get it down to about $2 million for the acquiring team to pay, I believe KK could have been traded. But Wren decided that he’d rather cut off his nose to spite his face and pay the entire amount for nothing than to save even a couple of million dollars in trading him.
Lowe’s contract is untradeable unless either Wren swaps it for an equally bad contract or eats about $10 million of it. If Wren wouldn’t eat KK’s cheaper contract to trade him, he sure won’t do it for Lowe. Lowe will be back in 2012.
Fredi is the scapegoat you guys are turning your anger to because
It’s hard for everyone to admit that these guys had ZERO offense and sucked at hitting consistently. You can’t win in any sport if you can’t score, and it’s not Fredi’s fault professional hitters are acting like they forgot how to hit. Excellent pitching covered this up for most of the season, but when the starting pitching slowed up— our offensive ineptness was exposed…
by carolinapillpusher on Sep 29, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
There's a lot of insufferably stupid suggestions in this thread.
It’s just over-emotional venting coming off of the most disappointing loss of the season.
Most people will calm down in time and realize there is zero chance Fredi will not be back next year.
Balls and Strikes
Not sure if I had the best vantage point last night at the TED but it looked like balls and strikes calls were very inconsistent. And looked like the Braves pitchers were getting squeezed. Can anyone who was watching on tv confirm or deny?
- ChillyMutt
No, it was pretty bad. The second inning and then the 7th-10th were just silly. We got a few calls, seemed like the Phillies got a few more than us, but it was horribly inconsistent. The umpiring crew overall had a pretty bad game.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
yeah, i thought i was the only one
it seemed like the ump just wanted to show off his strike pose
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I don't understand
all this talk about trading Prado or putting most of the blame on him. He moved to LF because the team asked him to, even though he is an infielder. He had the 4th most at-bats on the team and he even missed a whole month or so from an injury. He rarely had a day off. I went to a few games in spring training this year, and it seemed like he was in every game too. He’s had A LOT of added pressure on him playing a position he doesn’t normally play.
There is no one on this team that works harder than Prado. If anyone comes back stronger next season it’s going to be him. He will be a beast year, count on it.
by WeStillHaveBobby on Sep 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
2nd base
Prado is much more valuable and I think more comfortable playing 2nd base or even 3rd base.
- ChillyMutt
Talk about offseason motivation..
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
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