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Atlanta Falls To Philadelphia 4-2

Another tough loss for Chipper Jones and the Atlanta Braves.

Well, this one hurt. Atlanta jumped out to an early lead but couldn't hold off the Phillies and lost 4-2. 

The Braves got the scoring going in the bottom of the first against Philly starter Cliff Lee, as Chipper Jones launched his 18th home run of the season into the left field seats to make it a 1-0 game.

Atlanta plated another run in the second inning, as Matt Diaz doubled and scored on another double from Alex Gonzalez to up the Braves lead to 2-0.

The Phillies finally scratched across a run against Randall Delgado in the fourth inning. Back-to-back singles to Hunter Pence and Ryan Howard and a walk to Shane Victorino loaded the bases with one out. After a Raul Ibanez pop-out, Placido Polanco singled to center, scoring Pence and cutting the lead to 2-1.

The rest after the jump.

Star-divide

Jimmy Rollins tied the game in the fifth inning with a solo home run to right field, and that was the last inning for Delgado.

Delgado pitched very well, working out of a bases loaded jam in the fourth inning and finished with a line of 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 K.

Philadelphia took the lead for good in the sixth inning as Shane Victorino tripled off of Cristhian Martinez. Eric O' Flaherty came in to face Ibanez, and Ibanez grounded out, scoring Victorino and making it a 3-2 game.

Ibanez drove in another run in the top of the eighth inning, scoring Victorino again; this time off Jonny Venters to make it a 4-2 game. 

The Braves had runners on first and second in the bottom of the eighth, but Chipper Jones grounded into a double play to end the inning. Chipper looked like he hurt his knee during the game, and that will be something to keep an eye on.

Dan Uggla doubled in the bottom of the ninth, but Atlanta couldn't do anything else against Ryan Madson

Cliff Lee pitched six solid innings, giving up five hits, two runs, and no walks while striking out six.

Currently, Houston and St. Louis are tied 4-4 and heading to the ninth inning in Houston. Atlanta's wild card lead is down to 1/2 a game, so let's go Houston!

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he said "probably"

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has to

he is the only one that can get a damn hit

by nuftjedi on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

This pretty much sums up the last month

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My Heart Will Go On

Every night in my dreams
I see you, I feel you,
That is how I know you go on

Far across the distance
And spaces between us
You have come to show you go on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you’re here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

Love can touch us one time
And last for a lifetime
And never let go till we’re one

Love was when I loved you
One true time I hold to
In my life we’ll always go on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you’re here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

There is some love that will not go away

You’re here, there’s nothing I fear,
And I know that my heart will go on
We’ll stay forever this way
You are safe in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Sep 27, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having to root for the Astros is absolute pathetic

I’d like to get everyone’s reaction to Fredi’s postgame comments. The guy has no clue

by wpf3211 on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I would have to think long and hard about that possible scenario

the pain of this season would only last until April, but it would hurt like hell. FG and LP could make me anguish for another 2 years. tough call

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s eerily like the conservation State fans had about Herb Sendek.

by Broccoman on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

they wont get rid of him its not the "Braves Way"

he was guaranteed the job when Bobby said he was going to retire. The Braves didnt even bother to interview anyone else

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. If they make it, it is probably 3 more years of Fredi (or at least that long of a contract)

by pbrfan on Sep 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

“you gotta tip your cap they game planned us perfectly. They let us get on base and just let us flail away”
Fredi Gonzalez

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Post game interview:

Our manager: When asked about tomorrow.

"Well, we’ll see, we’ll play it, this is not a sport where you have a game plan…you gotta see how everything develops."

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

I think my teeball manager was a better strategist. Seriously.

"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 26, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

you cant

gameplan in baseball you have to go on gut feelings

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the gameplan would involve position players hitting…and pitchers getting outs in key spots

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fredi

I fucking hate you. That is all.

by crimsonqueen9 on Sep 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strategery FTW

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, that’s what I’ve said from the beginning, that he lacks a coherent baseball philosophy. I hope we all understand exactly what that means now.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

change up the gosh damn mother fucking lineup. I wanna see Constanza in LF tomorrow in the 2 hole. Change shit up please, this shit isn’t working right now, with this current lineup. It may not work out this way either, but at least try to do something, jeez. Sorry for the big cussing, but this is ridiculous at this point. You are the damn manager, please do something!!!!!!!!

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 27, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize he used Diaz rather than Heyward

and moved McCann into the 6 hole, it isn’t like he didn’t change the lineup

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesnt matter

then people complain he is changing the line up too much and need to leave crap alone

"I Farted" - Me, everday

by HeyMikey on Sep 27, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. So not true but that does explain a lot.

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Sep 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've never been one for doom and gloom

But this team is done. No heart. No one putting the team on their shoulders. No competent managing. No heart.

Even if they do manage to trip backwards into the playoffs, they will be nothing but a bump in the road for their opponent’s trip to the NLCS.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Sep 26, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Not even a bump.

"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 26, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We absolutely have a chance. We have a chance in any series, and if we play to potential I think that chance is larger than our opponents. Even if we keep stuffing no body goes into a series in baseball with a 100% chance to win.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can overlook the fact that Fredi said Rollins tripled (we all can get confused with names).
But overall, I think his managing style is reactionary rather than pro-active.

Our hitting, just bleh.

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised. I once saw an interview where he basically said that he didn’t know that Beachy was a rookie. How do you not know that? He has seemed confused about what happened in the game he just played constantly. It’s a really scary thought. What does he think his job is exactly, and how the hell did he get it?

I seriously think I could manage the Atlanta Braves better than Fredi, and that’s bad.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he said sometimes it's easy to forget that Beachy is a rookies

but i could be wrong, it is fredi

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes he says it's easy to forget Beachy is a rookie

he knows this because he often forgets Beachy is a rookie

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

He wasn’t the manager last season and Beachy pitched last season. Sure, it’s something we hear all the time, but that’s looking at it from a fan standpoint. I could understand a manager not knowing how many innings a pitcher racked up the year before. Granted, it was 15 IP instead of 50, but we are all aware that Fredi isn’t even remotely statistic-savvy.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 27, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

But ideally the manager should know everything about his ball club. Beachy being a rookie may or may not be important, but if he was doing his due diligence he should at least know this. My point is, if he doesn’t know that, which I think is common knowledge around baseball or at least among the NL east, then what else doesn’t he know.

 His lack of awareness of what’s happening around him, general baseball knowledge, and lack of baseball philosophy absolutely terrifies me. And since we now know he doesn’t game plan (though his lack of philiosophy should indicate this) then we should ask ourselves what he does. He definitely doesn’t inspire the players. In fact, the best compliment I’ve ever heard about Fredi is that he is “even-keeled.” But we are all seeing the downside of even-keeled right now, because this team is static and that consistency is negative. All he does is insert himself into games. There are probably a thousand coaches who understand the game better and several hundred of which can coach AND motivate. I just don’t understand either a) how Fredi got his ML Coach Club Card in the first place and, b) how anybody can look at his body of work and deem him competent. It baffles me.

Hopefully we can get rid of him regardless of play-off status this year because the only impact he has made is a negative one, and in terms of chemistry, his impact has either been negative or non-existent, and we need better.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

And replace him with...?

One of the dozens of “experienced” retreads who have also been previously fired?

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Sep 27, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Using C-Mart after how long he pitched yesterday was really really bad.

by ATLtruth on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the astros somehow can win, we should throw hudson and beachy each on 3 days rest

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

C Johnson, Barmes, and JR Towles in Houston’s bottom of the 9th

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

God this hurts.

Freddi is plain dumb, but he’s not any worse than half the managers out there. The problem is the talent on this team should not produce a .244 avg, .698 ops. That is just pathetically bad. The Braves have had a history of playing with the appearance of lackadaisical attitude – but normally you know they are trying hard. This year it seems like, NOW they are trying hard, but they waited until after the last possible second.

It was good. But this hurts everyone Braves. Ouch.

The Pirates are not going to trade Andrew McCutchen - please stop suggesting this.

by Pavy848 on Sep 26, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

LOBster Fest

the unauthorized true story of the Atlanta Braves 2011 season

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much the only reason I'm rooting for us to make it...

…is so I can keep making fun of the 2007 Mets. Seriously. That’s it. This team’s winning the same number of playoff games whether they make it in or not.

by tlhinman on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Fyi

We have to root for the two worst teams in baseball the next two days who are playing possibly the two best teams in baseball. At least we have Derek Lowe on the mound tomorrow…MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!

by bdr9977 on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

About time...

for a DLW.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 26, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is due for one of those

but that would require the offense to score runs, which they seem vehemently opposed to at the moment

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am beyond consolation at this point

I just can’t believe it has come to this. Someone, anyone just get a big hit. But that is too much to ask. Not too much to ask the Cardinals…This team seemed defeated when the lead got within 3 or 4. They have been playing tight and the Cards have been playing loose. I am…I just can’t believe it.

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

1 out in STL 10th, Y Molina up

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Molina doubles, Theriot reaches on FC…Molina out at 3rd

2 outs, John Jay up

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot caught stealing, inning over

Moving to the HOU 10th

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm such a masochist

I don’t even know why I hold out hope anymore and am paying attention to this game. The Cards are doing everything in their power to win while the Braves are doing a complete 180 of that…

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all fairness, Molina getting thrown out at 3rd and Theriot thrown out stealing (all in the 10th) would suggest otherwise…

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

Well you know what I mean. Just the last few weeks in general

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easily

The single stupidest thing I’ve ever seen Molina do.

by Sam Jethroe on Sep 27, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game tonight...

And I dunno, i think i’m just numb at this point. Maybe it’s the fact that i’ve watched us choke for about 20 years now, or maybe it’s the fact that if the players don’t seem to care then there’s no point in me caring.

But let’s forget about playoff talk at this point… this team doesn’t deserve to make the playoffs, and if they do, they’re just going to extend the embarrassment they’ve had going for the past month.

The bigger question to me is what happens in the offseason, because let’s face it, that’s the only thing we have to look forward to. And if we come right back out with the same team next year, then i’m going to be horrified.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I know its incredibly cliche and much easier said than done, but the Braves need an elite bat for 2012.

This team has been lead by 20 HR/80 RBI guys for 5+ years. They’ve got enough young pitching talent and core players to be competitive, but they need a 35 HR/100 RBI guy that is a threat every single time he comes to the plate. A “knock ’em in” guy to complement all the “get ’em over” guys we’ve got. Others elite teams have usually have 2-3 of said players. We’ve got Uggla, when he’s hot..
Trade from the piles of pitching to make it happen, even if it involves Teheran, or else we will be stuck watching stagnant offensive teams come September on repeat.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Sep 26, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to get a new hitting coach with a different approach that he preaches. It would have been hard to fathom after last year, but the numbers and approach from last year’s team were leaps and bounds ahead of this year’s team

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's an interesting point, but...

I’m not sure it’s a single bat issue. I mean plugging the type of bat you’re talking about in could make a big difference, but that seems more like a solution to a team that has all the other pieces in place.

What frustrates me about this offense is that it’s filled with guys who just completely fold as soon as there’s a pressure situation. When you look at the Phillies numbers vs. our numbers, you don’t see a huge difference. But the difference between them an us is that if Raul Ibanez is hitting .277, he’s ALWAYS hitting .277, whether there’s no one on, whether there’s a guy on 2nd, etc.. If one of our guys is hitting .277, his average plummets as soon as he is in a situation to drive a baserunner home.

This team doesn’t have a problem hitting… they have a problem hitting when there is something at stake. And that’s just a mental issue that i’m not sure how you “coach” your way out of.

Fact of the matter is, i don’t know what you do to make this offense good. I mean i would not want to be Frank Wren right now.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't agree more

idk what it is when we get RISP, but we just plain suck then.

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We got the 35 Hr guy, just need to get people on base in front of him for those HRS

besides, who do you suggest we replace that can provide that type of performance, the most replaceable position, ss, has nobody with those kinds of numbers

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds great.

Two questions:

1. Where is he?

2. Will he play for 10-15 million

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. There’s only 8 players in the league that have hit 35+ this season. Two are FA, but they both play first. One’s a Brave. Only 5 players in the league qualify for both.

2. The Braves’ qualifier will.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, the guy really doesn’t exist. In terms of this year, Pence was really the only guy close.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

So sign Pujols. It’s not like Freeman is such an awesome talent that we have to keep him at first base. He can move to LF or 3rd or we can trade him. (Yeah I know the Braves will not even try to bid on Pujols.)

by redwards95 on Sep 27, 2011 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want pujols for the price he is asking

Freemans production at League Minimum> Pujols production at 27 million a year until age 42

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to blame the fans. Who’s with me?

If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.

by BeatTehMets on Sep 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Brian Bogusevic double!

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hou 10th

Bugosevich doubles to center, no outs

Burgeois up

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Houston knows how to win...

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

WOOHOO!

Astros win!

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards lose!

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I keep telling myself that anything could happen if we just get in. I’m starting to think that I’m a liar though…

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chip and a chair…chip and a chair

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Nice! I’ve actually won 2 tournaments (1 for realz money and the other a game at a bar for a $20 gift certificate [to the bar]) with just a chip* and a chair.

*I had the luxury of it not being Chip Caray though.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Sep 26, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A hit and 2 bunts...

Now why hasn’t Fredi tried that?

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Im sure he has

problem is bunts= outs for us, then with RISP we tend to Lineout/Popout/Strikeout every single time

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

After all this...

…the Braves could clinch tomorrow. All the emphasis in the world on “could”. And the “theoretically” I didn’t say.

by tlhinman on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

with

Derek Lowe going tomorrow i doubt it. Maybe Lowe will finally have a good start and somewhat redeem himself and buy himself starts for the post season or next year

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

His final start of the regular season should be just like his first one.

Twitter: @TAlmeyda

by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bear in mind...

…he was pretty good last time out; it just got forgotten because our offense was… well, our offense.

by tlhinman on Sep 26, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We win! I mean, Cardinals lose!

There’s no game plan in baseball! Hey-ohhhhhhh

Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown

by ryantex on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright Astros!

And slightly less hopeless….

"Chipper Jones is better than me." -- David Wright

by Braver on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s what you do with runners in scoring position.

"Chipper Jones is better than me." -- David Wright

by Braver on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

ok, in regards to the cards, with tonight's game and thursday's comeback

if we dont go out and win tomorrow that is just sad. no other words, just sad

by Stephen M on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Even though I feel completely pathetic for celebrating an Astros,

Its still incredibly important for our fan base and the direction of this franchise to make the playoffs.

That said, Braves get your act together tomorrow and Wednesday and we’ll both agree to put to past behind us.

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

How is it incredibly important?

"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

To put it shortly, so we dont pull a Mets

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants barely made playoffs last year

No guarantee we get bounced (although we probably deserve it)

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants were also on fire when they made the playoffs.

"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree with Beachy

at this point, they need to make the playoffs to avoid putting a huge dent in a, for lack of a better term, “fragile” fanbase

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot where I saw it today

But someone was talking about ATL in general as having a pretty fair weather baseball fan base (obviously excluding people on TC) compared to places where the cities are baseball cities. Atlanta is and always will be a football town whether we like it or not. He was making the point that the Braves may have a pretty big hit to interest in the team after a collapse of this magnitude. Not saying its necessarily true, but an interesting position nonetheless

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Attendance <> strong fanbase

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you been here lately??

This fanbase has been about as fairweather as you could possibly dream.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but it has taken an almost historic collapse to bring this out in people as well… It’s a really trying time

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree...

Plenty people have been crying in GT’s since the beginning of the season. I do believe Braves fans are generally fairweather. To be honest, most fans are fairweather.

by HI State of Mind on Sep 27, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's gonna be trolls on every board

and they like to come out when we we’re losing… The only difference between earlier in the season and now is Fredi has made a lot of the regular posters here angry, and this terrible stretch has seen the trolls come out in droves.
Trolls gonna troll, naters gonna nate, etc…

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the fanbase is fragile, i just think it'll just be a bad psychological blow to the player and organization

To collapse with such a big lead. See where the Mets are today, bad contracts, injuries, disgruntled fans…

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the state of the Mets francise is more tied to idiotic decisions by Fred Wilpon, Omar Minaya, and a slew of other morons who though it was a great idea to shower millions on players like Oliver Perez, Jason Bay, and Luis Castillo.

The Mets have much better baseball leadership now, I would feel good as a Mets fan to have Alderson and Depodesta in my organization…

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the fanbase is very fragile

And you don’t need to look any further than team performance to see why.

I was at the game and there were TONS of empty seats. And people can blame fans all they want, but why the hell should people be out there supporting what this team is doing on the field night after night? They choke year after year and just break their fans hearts. I mean i can’t really blame people for not wanting to pay money to go see that.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is extremely astute and empirical analysis…

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Hobbs or Gondee posted a thread about the fanbase

on the main page. Not on the whole empty seats tonight, but about the impact a choke this bad could have on the fanbase

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t read it, but if it referenced the 2007 Mets it isn’t a fair comparison.

by TBuzz on Sep 27, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly don't remember

just figured I would point you to it

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. I think having a winning team in 2012 would cure a great deal of it though.

by TBuzz on Sep 27, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have a winning team in 2011

just a team that isn’t winning this Month

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was where I saw

Big brain fart on my part as I had read it like 2 hours ago

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is magic number 2?

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

Braves win (HA!) and a Cards loss tomorrow would mean we clinch

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves win tomorrow and WCS is a play-off game to the playoffs.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's still looking a bit too far ahead

but if we can somehow hold on, I would like the Diamondbacks to finish above or tied with the Brewers so we could get them in the 1st round instead of going to Milwaukee

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still keeping my eye on that

But the D-Backs are losing and they are still a game behind the Brewers for the 2nd spot

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Kemp just hit a 3 run bomb to almost dead center- big blast

I hope he can pass Braun in BA and win the triple crown just bc there hasn’t been one in forever

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for that too. That would be pretty incredible and would be a really “quiet” Triple Crown. It really seems like there hasn’t been a whole lot of attention on the possibility because of who he plays for (west coast team and losing team)

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

MVP and Cy Young from a terrible team

should happen, and if it doesn’t, it’s really a disgrace. People like Mitch Williams will probably defend them not getting it too- jackass

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

People like Mitch Williams like to drink Kool-aid. And its Mitch Williams… I mean, come on!

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

but they put him on tv and give him a chance to spew his verbal diarrhea

that can possibly influence voters. We get it, but some voters are dumb and believe the same things he is saying

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY

Astros win!

Lowe wins tomorrow. 7-2. He goes 7IP and Medlen goes 2 IP with 2 K’s and 1R.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone just pretend we won tonight, and so did they

might make it feel better……..

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

nope, still doesn't, but magic number down to 2

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one goes out to my 2nd favorite team: the Houston Astros…

"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight

by Chipper Pwns on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

failhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ob59hsRaFU

"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight

by Chipper Pwns on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double fail

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I feel very Brave like tonight. I can only take solace in that some Cardinals fan is doing the exact same thing…

"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight

by Chipper Pwns on Sep 26, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take three: This dedication goes out to the Astros...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ob59hsRaFU

"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight

by Chipper Pwns on Sep 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that is not gifted wrapped I don’t know what is incentive to win tomm…..that is all they need…..win Dammit win……win tomm and we can at least guarantee a one game play in….win tomm and cards lose and we are in….my oh my how baseball plays out I love this game go BRAVES

by CaptainLou02 on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Which is higher: The chances of us winning tomorrow or the chances of us winning the World Series?

I’m only slightly kidding.

"And like lambs to the slaughter, the Braves take the field."- Skip Caray

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just really hoping Chipper will be OK.

He really looked like he hurt himself turning 3rd and it took all he had to try and beat out that double-play in the 8th.

I love the guy and hope he will be in the lineup.

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

think he said he actually hurt it earlier in the game than that play

He knows what’s on the line- I’d be shocked if he’s not in there tomorrow

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chipper is going to be in there tomorrow

No way he misses a game like that

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds

like he pulled a Fredi

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been at it quite a bit longer than Fredi…or Bobby Cox for that matter

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think either was really his fault

terrible baserunning decision by Molina, and then with 2 outs, he was trying to get a guy into scoring position. They should all be mad at Molina

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the 1st def not his fault, 2nd was a high risk/reward play and the astros catcher has a bad arm

but made a great throw

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was really surprised when I saw he got thrown out. Towles has a really really bad CS rate

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 26, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

must have been a Martin Prado-esque jump

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We know that fans are never mad at their favorite superstars…

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rightfully so...

Bad move sending someone. Fredi Tony should have put the red light on there.

Oh, and the double steal earlier, down by two?? Yeah, Fredi Tony should have the red light on there as well. You’re playing for three, getting two into scoring position isn’t important.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That double steal was a brilliant move – pujols and holliday – nobody in the whole stadium expected it – berkman hits a double and both score to tie the game – holliday probably doesn’t score on the double and they strand two on base and lose in nine if they don’t pull off the double steal !! You have to score one and two before you get to three – maybe that’s why you should stick to your day job !!

by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 27, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the same token, Fredi sending Bourn just a couple days back is the exact same move, and it was loudly and roundly criticized.

That’s the point I was trying to make. Personally, I was never up in arms about it, either way. It’s a risk, it didn’t work for the Braves, it worked for the Cards.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

In both scenarios, if it works, you look like a genius. If it doesn't, you look like a Frediot.

I suppose the biggest difference is that the Cards had the tying run on base, whereas we had the tying run at the plate, making the risk not quite worth it. If Pujols is thrown out at 3rd and they lose by 1 in 9 innings, TLR would have looked like an absolute fool

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are right – and I’m with you – either way is risky – that’s why you gotta love this time of year when every move is magnified to the tenth degree by everybody !! This is an exciting race – anxiety is high but it sure is fun !! Go Bravos !!

by bravesfaninchitown on Sep 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie Guillen is suddenly looking for a job

I’d take him over Fredo

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

You sir have gone insane.

If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.

by BeatTehMets on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The grass (including the kind Ozzie smokes) is always greener…

by TBuzz on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

That might be the only guy i WOULDN’T take over Fredi right now

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a loose cannon but Ozzie has forgotten more baseball than Frediot knows.
I’d take Oz for the last two games of the season and the playoffs.

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Sep 27, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

I wouldn’t take Dusty Baker either. he is probably the worst I have ever seen. have you ever seen him (try) to manage a big game?

Yeah, I would take Fredi over Dusty Baker…..

All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,

by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT

Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/

by Santaklose11 on Sep 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the marlins are trading leo nunez and juan carlos oviedo to get him

the trick is on the White Sox though

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelican

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO

Nonono-no nono
What?!
No

by FrostyTO on Sep 26, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have seen this in the press conference tonight

Instead of that “tip your cap” bullshit Fredi does.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Sep 27, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And THIS inspires the team to play better?

by TBuzz on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually copied the wrong picture, but this one is actually humorously relevant.

I’d loved to have heard our coach be pissed and upset tonight, not complacent and “oh well, what can you do?”.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t Football…or Hockey. This isn’t a game where some really rich, powerful old man can scream at 19 year old kids and get them to run faster and hit harder.

This is a game where, a lot of the game’s outcome boils down to reading and reacting. Sometimes you see the pitch you want, put a good swing on it, and it goes right at somebody…

by TBuzz on Sep 27, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

or like zimmermann yesterday

be completely fooled, put a horrible swing on a ball, and get a single

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not

Fredi may be dumb, but at least he’s not dumb AND an ass.

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009

by SuperNewb on Sep 27, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

it would be nice

would set our rotation up well

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you gotta tip your cap...

To Bacardi, for making such a brilliant marketing move. :P

by FrostyTO on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they are very well in touch with their target market, Braves fans need a liquor sponsor right now for sure.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The baseball gods reward losing again. There’s hope, and this team is so much more talented than their performance, let’s see some pretty drastic regression soon.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Here’s a secret everybody, there’s a reason the players make more than the manager.

If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.

by BeatTehMets on Sep 27, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Bc they have a more valuable and rare skillset

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, let’s hold the players accountable.

If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.

by BeatTehMets on Sep 27, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

only decision i really disagreed with today was bringing in Martinez

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

and not PH for Diaz in the 7th

but to his credit he worked a full count then lined out.

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fredi is botching easy decisions now. He should be held accountable also. I mean his reasoning for C-Mart was to face left hand hitters…

by ATLtruth on Sep 27, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

safety squeeze was called with no out…that was rather unusual

by LEastCoastBears on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont care if we limp into the playoffs!

In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.

by HeywardFTW! on Sep 27, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Diamondbacks just blew an opportunity w bases loaded to tie the game

Really would much rather play them than the Brewers

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

DBacks and Brewers both lose

Brewers still lead by 1 game for the 2 seed

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats how I am thinking

In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.

by HeywardFTW! on Sep 27, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I look at this lineup.

Top to bottom, it looks so good on paper. Im just baffled by the collective failure. Guys are only capable of success with success with nobody on base. So frustrated. Being a baseball fan is having a negative effect on my quality of life. I can’t believe we can clinch tomorrow. Fucking Houston….. Unbelievable. Go Braves!

by Frozen Fan on Sep 27, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

6 of their usual 8 have made the all-stars over the past year and a half.

the other 2, freeman and agon, one is a roy candidate and shit, even agon is hot. it doesnt make sense

by Stephen M on Sep 27, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said it up there ^

But the approach this team has up there with runners on is just atrocious. No discipline and no one seems to want to get that big hit to let everyone breath a little easier

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure everyone is wanting to get that big hit

maybe that is part of the problem, pressing rather than just playing the game

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are certainly hacking at way too many balls out of the zone.

by ATLtruth on Sep 27, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Braves magic number has gone from 6 to 2 in five days. They have one win during this span.

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone that claims this man is not a leader is full of it:
Probably should have come out tonight (Monday). But I can’t not play. I’ve been preaching to the boys: ‘I don’t want to hear you’re tired. I don’t want to hear how you’re hurting. All men on deck.’

"How is it going to look if I take myself out of games?"

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

chipper on one knee > mccann and prado

not trying to bash on those 2 (again) but to agree that chipper at 39 years old is still at the center of this offense

by Stephen M on Sep 27, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something is wrong with Mac physically

No way he can be in this big of a funk without something being wrong because he is WAY too good/smart of a hitter to do this

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's got to be either his oblique or his eyesight again

but i think if it was his eyesight he’d at least be wearing glasses

by Stephen M on Sep 27, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought his eyesight wasn't a problem anymore

Because they figured out it was just caffeine intake and he cut back. But who knows

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chipper, even hurting last night ran as fast as he possibly could to beat out that DP in the 8th last night.

He wasn’t pouting at his weak hit and jogging to 1st like I’ve seen BMac, Prado and Gonzo do too many times.

He almost got there too, and you could tell it hurt him badly.

~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~

by NCChopper on Sep 27, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe this will inspire some of the other players to get shit going.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 27, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, when Chipper says final two games he means rest of the season. Just making sure we’re on the same page.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that, you see,

would make too much sense

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Constanza get a chance at the 2 hole and maybe bat Heyward 5th possibly…

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 27, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

this could work if chipper cant play.

but theres no way prado is coming out for the last 2 games

by Stephen M on Sep 27, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

im a big prado fan, but we really have to attempt to ignite this offense some way. Fredi needs to do something instead of sounding like an idiot after the game is over.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 27, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the outlook is bad I imagine he’ll go for the quick fix and then that’s curtains. It’s not something I hope for because he had a pretty good career considering his age, but it seems inevitable. He said earlier in the season that a big injury might change his mind. But I think we’ll see him play again for sure

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This doesn’t seem like a big injury. The point is he doesn’t want to miss the playoffs.

by AmgineRmEht on Sep 27, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean he didn’t go down tonight, but he compared the sensation to previous times he has blown out his knee and that is not good to hear. We’ll just have to wait and see but I think if it is serious (and by serious I mean surgery) then he gets the shots for the remainder of the year and then hangs them up.

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

if this is the case then this team needs to win it for him

theyve been given some opportunities here so this is the time where they gotta win it for chipper

by Stephen M on Sep 27, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

We absolutely need some fire in that clubhouse. They seem like Zombies and I totally blame Fredi. What else has changed since 2010 (very electric clubhouse)?

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

career=year

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Sep 27, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 - 2

Consistent 1 – 2 counts for the Braves hitters all night long. And Sea bass will swing at anything in the same zip code. Does Larry Parrish even talk to these guys? The Braves look pathetic. At least a third of the crowd at The Ted were Phillies fans last night.

Frediot continues to baffle and amaze. Pinch hitting Heyward with 2 outs in the 9th was icing on the cake.

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Sep 27, 2011 6:56 AM EDT reply actions  

of course LP talks to them

who do you think is telling them to swing at all these pitches

by nuftjedi on Sep 27, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forehead Blister

Frediot must have a blister on his forehead from tipping his cap so often this month.

- ChillyMutt

by ChillyMutt on Sep 27, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Nothing to see here....

Nothing happened yesterday, boys and girls. We lost, the Cards lost. We’re still up a game. Win tonight and it clinches at least a tiebreaker. GO BRAVES!!

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Sep 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Chipper

If he is hurt, I really hope he realizes whats best for the team, i understands he wants to play but if he physically cant do what he normally does we cant have him out there right now. Way to much on the line.

by CWil03 on Sep 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, we certainly can't have a guy that hit a homer and a double in the lineup

because he’s killing us by getting hits and stuff. He said he was hurting before the game even started, and went out there and put the team on his back. The problem lies with McCann, Bourn, and Prado being awful at the plate right now. Maybe if those guys were hitting, Chipper could afford to take the day off. We’d probably have already locked this thing up too

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT

by leedawg on Sep 27, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed 100000%

Chipper hurt is better than the other 8 guys “healthy” he is the only one playing like he gives a damn every night. it’s sad to see the rest of the team not being able to pick it up in light of that.

by nuftjedi on Sep 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Results = playing like he gives a damn, apparently.

I see lots of players hustling down the line on grounders, etc. I think the effort is there. People just choose to equate the results with the effort given…which is pretty short-sighted.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

just because the results aren’t there it doesn’t mean they want it any less than us

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Sep 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what do you call his 3 for 22 on the road trip than? Yeah look it up those were his stats before last nights game, he must not of gave a damn on the road trip

by CWil03 on Sep 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure i didnt say anything about his performance last night. I agree we need him right now and maybe even at 80%, but he obviously tweaked something in his knee last night and it was evident.

by CWil03 on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish to exorcise some demons by confessing a serious sin

For the first time in my 29+ year existence I booed Chipper and the Braves last night in the 8th inning when Chipper GIDP. I was at the stadium and I booed him.

I openly confess this and ask forgiveness. This was possibly one of the most shameful reactions in my life and I truly apologize. Chipper did not deserve my boos… even if he killed a rally in the biggest game of the season in a crucial moment. The man deserves better, he has been one of the most loyal and greatest to ever don an Atlanta uniform.

I am shamed…I apologize, and I hope that this confession relieves the demons currently haunting the Braves.

All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,

by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT

Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/

by Santaklose11 on Sep 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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