Atlanta Braves vs. Washington Nationals Series Recap
Losing this series was certainly a punch to the gut of Atlanta's quest for a Wild Card spot. They continued to stagger to the finish line with the Cardinals stepping on their heels trying to trip them up. The good news is they're still ahead by a game and are headed home to wrap up the regular season.
Coming into this series, I personally expected winning at least two out of three. It figures, though, that the Braves were only able to beat the best pitcher the Nationals threw out there. They had beaten Chien-Ming Wang twice earlier this year, so after the Braves beat Stephen Strasburg, you had to like their chances, right? It's a mystery to me how they lost to Wang despite their success earlier this year. However, the end of Friday's game was plenty fun to watch.
Sunday's game was just full of fail when they loaded the bases with no outs and didn't score. I'm not surprised when that happens anymore; that was the game right there. If anyone would've gotten a hit there, I think it would've been a completely different ballgame.
Tim Hudson pitched great until he cramped up, but Brandon Beachy struggled again; the Braves have lost his last five starts. Not a good sign.
Braves 1-4 hitters Saturday and Sunday: 3 for 31. 0 for 16 Sunday. Bleh.
Kris Medlen is finally back. YAY! This was my first opportunity at actually seeing him pitch. Last year, I could only follow on Gameday. He looked awesome.
I found it hard not to take exception to Michael Morse's home run celebration, but won't say anything else since some people might be sensitive to certain four-letter words.
Braves wrap up the season against the Phillies starting Monday. Let's beat them, please and get to the playoffs!!
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Phils are going to lay down
Lee, Oswalt and Hamels are going to pitch maybe 3 innings and after the 6th, you’ll get the Phillies triple A squad on the field…
they can't count on that
besides, sometimes it’s actually tougher to see a different pitcher every AB then one or two.
Every stadium is these days
Largest bandwagon I’ve ever seen in sports……
To be fair, baseball is the only sport I watch.
by Undocorkscrew on Sep 25, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So does anybody have an official Phillies rotation for the series?
I’ve read so many different things…..
Game 1: Guy we can’t hit followed by succession of guys we can’t hit
Game 2: Guy we can’t hit followed by succession of guys we can’t hit
Game 3: Guy we can’t hit followed by succession of guys we can’t hit
by Ivan the Great on Sep 25, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Monday: Lee vs. Delgado
Tuesday: Oswalt vs. Lowe
Wednesday: TBA vs. Hudson
Manuel said before today’s game that Wednesday is a bullpen-only game. Cole Hamels would pitch an inning or two from the bullpen, but he is definitely not starting.
by AmgineRmEht on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Playoff is starting early for the Braves
the safety margin is now completely gone, maybe some home cooking is all that is needed to turn things around. Nats were sure playing hard on Sunday, in their home finale.
by LEastCoastBears on Sep 25, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
Funny thing is...
Next year this race will be irrelevant. Braves and Cards will be the NL Wild Cards… boring.
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Cardinals will probably win Central
If you account for them adding Wainwright and the Brewers losing Fielder. Though the Cardinals could very well lose Pujols so who knows.
But yeah. The two wildcard thing will make these races less interesting.
New Wild Card rule
probably not going into effect until the 2013 season, but we’d have already popped the champagne. By then, the Phils will be old-timers, and the Pitchocalypse will be dominating the NL East
Is it my imagination...
…or do the Braves actually have more offensive weapons on the field this year than last, yet our OBP and scoring with RISP is worse?
It just seems on paper, we should be much better than we’ve played this year offensively. It’s painful to watch us leaving so many men on base.
I suppose our pitching has propelled us through most of our success so far and now it’s late at season’s end, they can’t do it alone without some offensive help.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
I don’t know, but I think this is part of it. Last year we were brought down by a couple major production drop offs (see Escobar and McLouth) and poorly timed injuries (Prado, Chipper and Wagner). this year, for some reason, we are simply not scoring runs when a professional baseball team should be scoring.
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Don’t forget Glaus. When he was on that hot streak, the Braves were the best team in baseball for a stretch, then his production cooled off substantially and so did the Braves.
I attribute some of it to our “more aggressive” approach per Parrish at the start of the season.
But, we’ve had a ton of 1run losses, which means your pitching kept you in the game, but the offense just couldn’t get a key hit when needed. It seems our entire pitching staff has had to pitch with not much room for error more often than not.
With Bourn, Prado, Chipper, BMac, Uggla, Freeman and a bench with Hinske, Diaz, Conrad – this team should scare the crap out of opposing pitchers.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
A simple, yet 100% conclusive stat proves you correct, in that last year we drew 634 walks as a team, and this year we are at 496. Now I know some stat head is going to come along and tell me why I am wrong, but I find this to be very strong evidence of our overall lack of patience at the plate.
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
No stathead should really be arguing with that. The team’s offensive approach has fallen off a cliff. This is evident both in the stats as well as the observer seeing everyone hacking at the first pitch, the second pitch, and every other pitch.
Hell, even when the team draws a few walks to get guys on, the next few guys absolutely hack at the first pitch anyway. It’s baffling.
by Ivan the Great on Sep 25, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You can somewhat overlook it with the rookies, but for veteran players that should know better … makes me scream at my TV.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
Rookies… Freeman? He’s been the most consistent bat in the lineup for most of the year…
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Yes, thankfully!
I was speaking more in general terms. :-)
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
These quotes from Ross sound similar to what we're saying:
“Mike Minor pitched his [rear end] off today,” Ross said. “We’re not asking these guys to do something they’re not capable of. They’re good players. It’s not the young guys who are not coming through. It’s us as a team not doing the things we need to do to get runners in.”
OUCH… “The Braves have hit just .193 (36-for-187) with runners in scoring position over their past 23 games. They have scored two runs or fewer in three of their past four games”.
~ "Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West ~
I think all of it is this new “aggressive” approach. Last year our guys saw more pitches and walked a lot more. That in turn puts runners on base and creates more scoring opportunities.
by drumzalicious on Sep 25, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think its time for a lineup change
Bourn
Freeman
Chip
Uggla
McCann
Prado
Heyward
Gonzo
by drumzalicious on Sep 25, 2011 11:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Prado's got to get out of the #2 spot
Put Heyward back there. His OBP is through the roof in September.
by AmgineRmEht on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s surely helped by hitting in front of the pitcher.
by drumzalicious on Sep 26, 2011 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't really have much to say about this series
Proctor just gave up a 3 run HR in the 14th so I looks like the Red Sox will take a 1 game lead into tomorrow too. Felt obligated to mention it
LOLZ SCOTT PROCTOR!
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I think its time for a lineup change
Bourn
Freeman
Chip
Uggla
McCann
Prado
Heyward
Gonzo
by drumzalicious on Sep 26, 2011 12:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bourn should be sitting
On Monday, thinking about why you don’t bail out a pitcher who’s walking the park. Constanza should be starting in center and leading off.
So you want the team to be at yet another disadvantage during the last series of the year?
Bourn is crucial to this team, a few brain farts doesn’t change that,
by Undocorkscrew on Sep 26, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Failure has consequences
However “crucial” you may be. Bourn was so “crucial” that he, more than any other player, won the game for Washington. He needs to know that he is, in fact, part of a team.
I’d have him ride the pine for at least the start of Monday’s game just to make sure he knows that.
No it isn’t.
My dad told me his teammates got fined in the minors for doing what Bourn did.
3-0 bases loaded pitcher walked the last guy 4 straight you take two strikes.
Cool story, bro...
And we all know how well minor leaguers are paid, so much that they can easily absorb fines.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
This is my lineup: Prado is one of my favorite players, but we need to try something else here and this is what I would do for last 3 games of year:
Vs Righties:
Bourne
Constanza
Chipper
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzalez
Vs Lefties:
Bourn
Constanza
Chipper
Uggla
McCann
Freeman
Prado
Gonzalez
That is just my thinking at this point, maybe I am wayyyy off, which is fine, but I think we need to shake shit up, and I think this is best way. I would like for Freeman to bat third against righties, but Chipper isn’t a 4th hitter, so its either 2 or 3, and I would rather put Constanza there. I believe we need to see if Constanza can help get shit going. This likely won’t get used, but I think this could possibly help. I will be very disappointed in Fredi if he just uses the same lineup, when it clearly needs changing.
braves#1
To expand upon that, I have more faith in Diaz’s multi-year career of killing lefty pitching than in Jose’s lucky (unsustainably high BABIP) first month of his career.
Lets not be trapped into throwing the ball and chain over the side of the ship..
with it tied arund our necks. Baseball is a sport to be enjoyed. Why not for the Brewers who haven’t been in the post-season in a long time? They went out and captured the banner. I can’t cry over a team that has done the way the Braves have in Sept. It is much more enjoyable for me to root for The Brewers or the Cardinals. I admire the way Pujols has carried his team……I’ll return to the Braves in the off season after the WS. Its no problem to look to 2012 with hope in my eyes again.
He whose words outnumber his deeds, know that his death is better than his life.
Silver Linings
- Cardinals face Wandy Rodriguez on Monday night. He beat them in his only start against them this season, a 5-3 win in St. Louis on July 27. This was his line:
W (7-7) – 7.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 SO, 0 HR
- Cardinals face Brett Myers on Wednesday night. Myers has been dominant in his last six starts. In his last six, he’s 4-0 with a 1.41 ERA. He’s got 31 strikeouts compared to just 6 walks. Opponents are only hitting .180 in that stretch. The Astros are 5-0 in his last 5 starts. However, he does face Chris Carpenter.
- Charlie Manuel announced before Sunday’s game that Wednesday’s game #162 against the Braves would be a bullpen-only game. Manuel said Cole Hamels will pitch in that game, but would likely pitch only one or two innings depending on his pitch count. Given the struggles of the Phillies’ bullpen as of late, this can only be good news about Wednesday’s game.
- Cliff Lee (Monday) and Roy Oswalt (Tuesday) will likely pitch no longer than 5 innings or throw more than 50 pitches, whichever they reach first.
- Ryan Howard is not likely to play much in the series due to ankle bursitis. Hunter Pence (patellar tendon strain) and Placido Polanco (groin) are also hurting and may not play much.
basically
If we don’t win these games we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs
by drumzalicious on Sep 26, 2011 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
If the Braves and Cardinals have to play a tiebreaker on 9/29 in St. Louis, the pitching matchup would be Brandon Beachy vs. Kyle Lohse.
Time for some positivity for a change
It does feel like the walls are closing in. But remember. Even through it all, the way this team played so well from April to August enabled them to still be in a position where a lousy, 9-15 September kept them still one game ahead with three to go, despite an impressive sprint to the finish by the Cardinals.
The Braves are still up by one game with three left. They’re going to be in it until the final day, unless the stars align and they clinch Tuesday. The odds are still in their favor, even though it doesn’t feel like it.
The Braves do have some advantages going into the final series. They are coming home, whereas the Cardinals are going on the road. Chipper said it best: “It’s hard to win games on the road in September.” Doesn’t matter who you are facing, as the Braves just proved going 2-4 against sub-.500 teams.
They are going to be facing a Phillies team that will be more interested in resting their stars, healing their wounded and preparing for the NLDS that starts in just 4 days than playing full-tilt. Remember, this year is different. There is only one off day between the season ending and the playoffs this year instead of the usual two. So there is a bigger emphasis on rest. They got the monkey off their back on Sunday, ending their losing streak with a breakout 9-4 win, so they’ve already proven their point. They’ve already announced Wednesday they are just pitching a bullpen game. Cole Hamels won’t start and will only pitch for one or two innings. Given the state of Philadelphia’s bullpen lately, this is only good news. Brad Lidge, Antonio Bastardo, and Michael Stutes have all had poor Septembers. Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt won’t go any longer than five innings.
The Astros, meanwhile, will be playing hard until the final out on Wednesday. This is their World Series. Brad Mills will have his players ready, especially after today’s 19-3 humbling from the Rockies. They have a chance to end it all for the Cardinals. They have to face Wandy Rodriguez, who beat them in his only start against them this year on July 27. They face Brett Myers on Wednesday, who is 4-0 with a 1.41 ERA in his last 6 starts. Opponents are only hitting .180 off him during that. He’s struck out 31 compared to only 6 walks. The Astros are 5-0 in Myers’ last 5 starts.
The Cardinals offense seems to have taken a dive lately. They have only scored 6 runs in their last 3 games. 2 of those were gift-wrapped by Carlos Marmol. 2 more of them were scored on sacrifice outs by the pitcher. The other 2 were solo home runs.
Also remember the Cardinals have not swept a series since the Braves series. They have been good for at least one loss in each series. One Braves win and one Cardinals loss changes this thing immensely.
Baseball is a great sport. You know why? It facilitates all kind of crazy things that can happen.
We’re all sitting here chomping our fingernails off at a potential collapse with the Cardinals playing their final games against the team with the worst record in baseball. There’s always a chance the Astros could just come out and sweep the Cardinals. It’s a crazy game where anything can happen.
But remember, as the legendary Yogi Berra said, it ain’t over ‘til it’s over.
by AmgineRmEht on Sep 26, 2011 4:35 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Playoffs or not...
reality is that this team didn’t improve over last season…at all. A sweep of Philly will result in one additional win after adding Uggla, Bourn, and the youngsters.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Last year we lost Chipper and Prado late. This year we lost Hanson and Jurrjens late. It’s hard to win when you are missing key players. If the Braves could just stay largely healthy next year, they would push the Phils for the division.
That's about an equal loss, right?
No improvement then.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
the reality is the Braves have had another very good year, overall. For 2/3s of the year, CF was a black hole, Uggla was terrible offensively for half the year, Prado was very mediocre at best, Heyward and Lowe and Proctor were all just generally bad, Chipper, Moylan, Jurrjens, and Hanson all missed substantial time, Medlen missed the entire year except for one inning. We relied extremely too heavily on rookies and three relievers. And despite all that, we did very well for the substantial majority of the year.
Yeah, I’d like to have seen more consistency and at least 96-98 wins, but whining and bitching about a 90+ year season in which we were at the very least highly competitive is just a bit hard to swallow.
Spin much?
We lost basically nothing in the offseason and added Dan Uggla, then Michael Bourn at the deadline. To have zero improvement in the win category is not good. Heyward regressed big time, Prado had an off year, Uggla struggled as you said, Chipper is a ~2 WAR player at this point in his career, Lowe imploded… not. good.
Plenty of bright spots, sure. McCann, Freeman, O’Ventbrel, the young pitchers including Hanson, JJ’s first half, Huddy gave us what we expected. Unfortunately it’s just not enough. This team has to find some consistent offense somewhere.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
The Braves lost one of the best closers in the history of the game and replaced him with a rookie. They lost a proven performer at first (albeit one brought in during August) and replaced him with a rookie. They moved a player to a position he’d never played before. They lost last year’s setup man (most forget that Venters wasn’t the only 8th inning guy last season). They lost a starter to TJ surgery and replaced him with another rookie.
The fact that the Braves stayed even under such circumstances, even with Uggla’s addition, is pretty effin’ good. Most teams would kill for one rookie being a top-five ROY contender. The Braves brought in three…if anyone expected all three to do so well at the beginning of the year, that would have been an asinine belief. Rookies struggle, and you’re talking about three very important roster spots.
I’ve said it a million times, and I said it at the beginning of the year. The 2011 Braves are a wild card-contending team in a bridge year. 2012 isn’t looking to be much different, in all honesty. I expect the team to strongly compete for a playoff spot, be it the division or the wildcard. Win 90-95 games. 2013-14 is when the team is really going to start making its stride to league dominance. You’ve got to let the young guys get a couple years under their belts before you expect much more than that.
In the end, I think all these reporters that decided to choose the Braves as the trendy pick for the division ruined a lot of people’s expectations for this season. The team is still really young, is carrying a few bad contracts, and that’s enough to bring an organization with this salary from league front-runner stature to wild card contender.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
very well typed sir, very well typed
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
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