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Braves Fall Flat Against Nationals, Lose 4-1

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Chien-Ming Wang had never beaten the Braves in four previous starts against them, so Braves fans who were optimistic about this game had good reason to be. Unfortunately for them, the offense was nonexistent and the Braves lose to the Nationals 4-1.

When the Braves went down in order on eight pitches in the first, that may have been an indication the game wouldn't go well for them. In the second inning, Brandon Beachy issued a pair of one-out walks before giving up a run-scoring single to rookie Chris Marrero.

The way the Braves were hitting in the game, what happened in the fourth made any comeback seem out of reach. Ryan Zimmerman singled leading off and Jayson Werth walked with one out when Danny Espinosa drove home both following a wild pitch with a hit to center. Then with two outs, Wang, 0 for 32 as a hitter with 18 strikeouts and no RBI, singled home another run.

Freddie Freeman hit his 21st home run of the season, but the offense otherwise looked helpless against Wang in six innings, managing only four hits and striking out four times; three of the strikeouts were looking. Beachy walked four and struck out nine in six innings.

The closest the Braves came to scoring again was in the eighth when Brooks Conrad walked with one out and went to third on Michael Bourn's single, but Bourn was caught stealing on a questionable call and Martin Prado flied out to end the threat. This was the only inning where the Braves managed to put two runners on base.

St. Louis won, cutting Atlanta's Wild Card lead back to two with four to play.

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By the way, this ensures that if the Braves clinch the Wild Card, it’ll be at home.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 24, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Drama queens…

If anyone knocks baseball I get upset, because I think it's a wonderful life.

by BeatTehMets on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

just as long as it is before Wednesday

I really don’t want to have to put Hudson out there under stress. Want him ready to go for Game 1 of the NLDS

by nuftjedi on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven’t made it to the NLDS yet. Stop the playoff talk last time it happened is when we went on that huge skid. We haven’t made the playoffs yet!

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by KINGSLYTUT on Sep 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

PLAYOFFS!!!

sorry but neither I, nor you, nor anyone here has the power to put them in or keep them out of the playoffs.

by nuftjedi on Sep 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you just jinxed our jinxing power.

by Shocked on Sep 24, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

right now the Braves are in a playoff spot so it would be silly to not try to look at things with that in mind. that’s all I was going with on the Hudson comment. I hope to not have to use him.

by nuftjedi on Sep 24, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was just being silly.

by Shocked on Sep 24, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it doesn’t. The one game playoff would be in St. Louis.

by redwards95 on Sep 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure I think they can. I was just pointing that technically the Braves are not guaranteed to clinch at home. If there is a playoff, they could clinch in St. Louis.

by redwards95 on Sep 24, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

any one have a vid or gif

of bourns steal attempt in the 8th i thought he was out alot of ppl are saying hes safe ??

either way it was a retarded call by freddi g i really think that guy has mental problems

by unreel20 on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

You don’t run against Pudge.

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by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 24, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't understand how you're blaming that on our manager (the one with the name you can't spell).

Bourn has surely had the green light for steals since he came over from Houston and it’s incredibly unlikely Fredi decided to specifically send him against Pudge in the 8th. If it’s anybody’s fault, 95% change it’s Bourn.

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by SuperNewb on Sep 24, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fredi's call

see Braves post-game quotes

A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
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by ATLBRVS_19 on Sep 24, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is really no way it can’t be partly his fault. Down three in the 8th with Chipper on deck he shouldn’t have given him the green light. Sure Bourn has blame too but exonerating Fredi for a clear blunder is mystifying. Down 3 you absolutely must keep the tying run in play at the plate.

by ATLtruth on Sep 24, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t trade for Michael Bourn if you’re going to give him a red light in these situations. I have no problem with him trying to steal there.

by redwards95 on Sep 25, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 games up with 4 games left. No help from Marmol today. Please win tommorow, a 1 game lead vs. Philly while STL plays Houston would scare me, a lot.

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by KINGSLYTUT on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If we have a day like today again tomorrow, that’s all it’ll take to make me pretty nervous. I vote we make sure that doesn’t happen.

by Shocked on Sep 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not his fault the braves cant win !!!! but this loss goes on freddie g

by unreel20 on Sep 24, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does?

4 hits against Wang, man….

by Undocorkscrew on Sep 24, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, that’s what I was thinking. We lose to Wang and it’s freddie g fault? wow, interesting.

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

his fault because he sent bourn in the 8th when there was no reason to steal !!!!!!! we had prado at the plate and chipper on deck we could of got quit a few runs there

by unreel20 on Sep 24, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s fuking rough. cannot get thrown out in that situation, period.

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by walknbalk on Sep 24, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop.

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by SuperNewb on Sep 24, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

no no, when the braves can only score 1 run and only getting 4 hits off of Wang in 6 innings, then that is on the Braves PLAYERS, not freddie g. Blame the manager when it is his fault, but no way this was his fault. Braves gotta win games like this at this point in the year.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

how did the out at second base prevent Prado from keeping the inning going?

by fandave on Sep 24, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the Mets giveth, the Cubs taketh away. Winning tomorrow would be very helpful.

by redwards95 on Sep 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I still can’t believe the Braves ran into an out down 3 and ensured Chipper wouldn’t get to represent the tying run. Can the Braves please start being smarter?

by ATLtruth on Sep 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

wow, losing to Wang, really? Crazy. I just have zero confidence in this team right now, we could come out an win tomorrow, and still no confidence from me. Just the way we playing now, I just don’t see how we could do anything against the D-backs or Brewers, and if we did, no way we get past Phillies if Jurrjens and Hanson are still a no go. Be nice to make playoffs, but I’m not expecting much. I’m usually pretty optimistic about my Braves, but it has really ran out, can’t believe Wang owned us, very depressing…

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

At this point....

….I would LOVE to see this team in the playoffs. Not because I think they’d be a force, but because I keep hearing how it would be one of the biggest collapses in baseball history should the Cardinals take the WC. Braves won 14 straight division titles, only 1 ring. Braves fans get enough shit for that(although that actually never gets at me), we don’t need a Mets-like collapse…..

by Undocorkscrew on Sep 24, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my father mentions the Braves failure to win more than one WS every time I bring up baseball. And he was the one who took me to a million Braves games during the 90’s (including a certain Game 6).

But whatever happens, I really just want a chance to watch my favorite team in the postseason again this year. And who knows, this is definitely a sport where anything can happen.

by Shocked on Sep 24, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well during that time we ended up winning 1 more WS championship than a lot of teams, hell the Indians, Cubs, Mariners, Mets, and a lot more teams would kill for what the Braves did, so even though we should have at least won the ‘96 championship too, I’m fine with Braves winning the 1 that we have.

That would be awful to have a Mets-like collapse, be nice to at least make playoffs, even though I’m not expecting nothing, better to make it than not to. I just have zero confidence in this team right now.

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen to that. I don’t want the team I root for to be listed next to that Mets team from a few years back, the ’64 Phillies, ’78 Red Sox, etc.

by redwards95 on Sep 24, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

DOB:

#Braves notes: Medlen activated from DL; Alex Gonzalez (calf) expected to play Sunday

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by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 24, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Well FK can we win 2 in a row anymore ? FKN cubs !!!!!

by cali viking on Sep 24, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

No, f*ck Marmol

The Cubs won yesterday and were 1 out away from winning 2 in a row against the Braves only threat. I hope MLB finds out Marmol isn’t his real name and that he’s 39……..Nunez and Marmol, man I hate those two asshats.

by Undocorkscrew on Sep 24, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be more pissed about Braves losing to Wang. All we had to do was beat a so-so SP and we still have a 3 game lead with 4 to go. Your anger should be towards braves, not Marmol. Braves control their own destiny at this point.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, I am

Doesn’t make my hatred for Carlos Marmol any less intense……

by Undocorkscrew on Sep 24, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean, just worse part about this is, the Braves control their own destiny and don’t even act like they want it bad enough. Just a shame to see this team get beat by Wang, just depressing and awful.

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody needs to point out to the Phillies for the upcoming series that it would be in their interest for the hacking, choking Braves to win the wild card rather than the red hot Cardinals.

by redwards95 on Sep 24, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, I'll throw it out there

Wang was hard to beat. (Let more innuendo commence.)

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by adc62 on Sep 24, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn, losing against Wang sucks.

Also, Marmol is a shit.

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by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 24, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I had to work today

and guess I missed a doozie of a day. 2 up with 4 to play…we will get this done.

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by walknbalk on Sep 24, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

When I kept saying last night I'd like to see us clinch in person

I did not mean that we needed to lose today. It makes me nervous. I was really ok with us clinching tomorrow!

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by Sarahbeth on Sep 24, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Beat Strasburg silly
Get shut down by Wang

Sigh

by Ivan the Great on Sep 24, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like Braves baseball to me.

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by SuperNewb on Sep 24, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS.

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by UMDBHIK on Sep 25, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are the phils really starting hamels on wednesday?

Really? Starting their #3 4 days after his last start on the last day of the season?

With Cliff the day before, which also seems a little odd?

by stillnotah8er on Sep 24, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Nevermind, Halladay's going tomorrow

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Manuel skip him though…

by Undocorkscrew on Sep 24, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Phillies are smart, they would be very careful in our next series. Who you want to face first round if you are Phillies? A hot Cardinals team that just took 3 out of 4 against them or D-backs/Brewers first round? If I were the Phillies I would really be careful and not let the Braves lose that WC. I don’t think I would want to face the Cards in first round if I were them. Phillies are by far the better team, but you know how a 5 game series can be, all that matters is who is the hottest at this point, and Cards are red hot. Not saying Phillies should roll over against us this coming up series, but if their manager is smart, he would manage it with the intent on NOT facing Cards in the first round…

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the braves haven't clinched

the Phillies have to at least give the appearance they are going to play up to 100% since Manuel said all that about it not being fair when they were playing the Cardinals after already clinching the East.

by nuftjedi on Sep 24, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

being fair and smart are two totally different things. He can still play some of his big players to an extent. Hell, I’m fine with Phillies wanting to stick it to us so that we don’t make playoffs, but be careful what they wish for, could be a hot Cardinals team ready to upset them in first round too… Cardinals have every confidence in the world that they can beat them and beat their best pitchers in a 5 game series.

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by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're just getting a little work in

Hamels wouldn’t pitch again until next Tuesday and Lee is gonna pitch Game 2 on Sunday.

by a hooter's baby on Sep 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlos Marmol

You suck
Your sister sucks
And your mother woulda sucked but I didn’t have five dollars.

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by UMDBHIK on Sep 24, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

way too high

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by walknbalk on Sep 24, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh...

I just continue to be baffled at how this team still cannot get it together. They haven’t put together any level of consistency on offense ALL YEAR. The pitching got them here and now the pitching is failing and the offense continues to fail. Pitcher have given up 12 runs in the last 3 games with Huddy, Beachy, & Lowe going. And to the Marlins & Nats. Come on!
This team doesn’t have it. If they manage to hang on and make it in, it will be an early exit. The team has done nothing to make me expect otherwise. According to reports scouts have begun questioning Fredi as a manager and the fact that he hasnt been able to get this team on a winning track. I totally agree. I just dont think he has what it takes. I just dont know if the team responds to him.

Sigh…

by MikeJolly on Sep 24, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

ehhh, also hurts that our number 1 and 2 SP’s in Hanson and Jurrjens hasn’t pitched in a MLB game since August 6th for Hanson and August 30th for Jurrjens(he was pitching poorly even before then though). So, it’s tough losing your two best SP. Without either of them come playoff time, then highly unlikely we do anything, especially how we have been playing.

Honestly man, I have watched most of the September games, and I see it more than just Fredi. I see a team that just can’t execute(again more than the manager fault), the players just can’t get the timely hits, or the sac flies when needed and all sorts of shit. This is wayyyyyy more than Fredi being a bad manager, this month the players just look lost. Not really sure what Fredi can do when you have 2nd and 3rd with 0 out and you can’t get any runs in, but that is the type of crap that has happened this month. Fredi hasn’t been perfect, but this collapse is on the players, not sure what more Fredi can do at this point…

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pssst....

Remember the Braves coughing up a division lead to Philly last year and then claiming the WC on the last day of the season?
 
Fredi wasn’t the manager last year. They struggled down the stretch due to injuries last year. Not the manager’s fault.

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by UMDBHIK on Sep 25, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what is really scary...

That the Phils having lost 8 IN A ROW!!!! are probably going to be going on all cylinders for our series cause they will want to get on a winning track for the play-offs.

OUCH.

by MikeJolly on Sep 24, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Like I said earlier in a previous post, if the Phillies end up sweeping or taking 2 of 3 from us and the cards take that WC. Cards are hot and we can’t do shit. Let the Phillies laugh their asses off eliminating us, I would laugh more when Cards stun the Phillies and the baseball world by advancing in the NLCS… Seen it many times where a favorite and much better team gets beat by a hot team in playoffs, especially first round.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 24, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on now

even if the Phillies are trying all out to win, Braves can still win the series

by LEastCoastBears on Sep 25, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

disappointed

that it’s not possible for the Braves to clinch here in DC and with that late collapse by the Cubs, it’s almost nerve wrecking time again

clinching at home would actually be nicer for the Braves and hopefully that can happen on Monday or Tuesday at the latest

by LEastCoastBears on Sep 25, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Pujols is doing everything he can to carry the Cards

Cardinal pitching is not so good. Braves are just too inconsistent for me to be comfortable. I wish I could learn to root for the Brewers….

Which team (probably) in the NL or AL playoffs have the most ex-Braves?

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by KomaGawa on Sep 25, 2011 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

My guess? Texas

Andrus, Harrison, Feliz, and I think I might be missing another.

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by UMDBHIK on Sep 25, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Texas

With Red Sox and Rays close behind with 3

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by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 25, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

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