Rosterbation: August Waiver Wire Edition
by leedawg on Aug 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT
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PrintThis thread is for all the news, ideas, and thoughts out there that deal with roster additions and player movement for the Braves, as well as the rest of the league.
Carpengui has an excellent post that can explain all you need to know about how the waiver process works, and you can read about that right here.
As I look at the roster right now, I only see 2 glaring holes: 1 on the bench (Julio Lugo) and 1 in the bullpen (Scott Proctor). Will Frank Wren and Co. address this through waivers, or through September call-ups and the return of injured players Linebrink and Moylan? Only time will tell.
Rosterbate away, but please, keep it in here.
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Thank you for re-establishing this... :-)
I think we need to fix the bullpen internally… The bench bat, though, should be fixed through the waiver process. I’m proud of FW for not throwing away our future before the trade deadline for a temporary piece. Bourn (while I love Schafer and will miss him and root hard for him ((when he’s not playing the Braves))) was a great addition to the family and I hope we keep him around after his current contract. I’m thinking he should be on the team for at least 5 years w/ Mr. Uggla as cornerstone pieces… Him, Uggla, Heyward and Freeman make a wicked 4-some in the lineup.
I don’t really have any good names to through out here but I wouldn’t be offended if Coco Crisp was a waiver pickup… Pending how much money the A’s take on in the deal… I also wouldn’t be offended to have a SS/ Infield Util type… Renteria? Tejada? Just throwin names out there…
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
At the right price, of course
I’d like to optimally see a guy who could play around the infield and bat right handed. Not a ton of options, but a guy like Tejada for a very low-grade prospect would be fine. My “dream” guy would be Clint Barmes, but the Astros haven’t made him available yet.
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I would love to bring Renteria back. We could also try D-Lee one more time for the bench and to spell Freeman down the stretch if needed. Pastorniky will be able to spell Gonzo for September call ups. I really don’t mind Lugo as the 25th man if only because he can take up space all over the infield.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
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by king of games on Aug 9, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the Pirates just got D Lee though
I doubt they turn around and send him off. Although if they continue to fall out of playoff contention, I guess they might listen to offers if they want to give a young player like Pearce some playing time. I’d put it at only like 5-10% likely though. I could go for Renteria as an upgrade over Lugo come playoff roster time
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
Yeah, if they continue this slide there’s no reason for them to pay him if they could get any kind of prospect return. I don’t believe he’s currently listed as an A or B, so there wouldn’t be any FA compensation for them.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
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by king of games on Aug 9, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Renteria would be ideal imo...
familiar with our players, so it’s not like he’d need much to get used to playing alongside Chipper or Prado at 3rd. Good RH bat for the bench, and proven “winner” who’s come through countless times in the clutch, especially in the post season. Not too expensive.
He’d be the one I’d want most, if he could possibly make it to us (which I’d be skeptical of). But the Reds are falling way back now, so he’d probably be made available.
The standings help imo, and teams such as A’s, Twins, Mariner’s, Royal’s, O’s in the AL are definitely out. Maybe the Rays and Blue Jays, and perhaps White Sox and Indians if their next 10 is like their last 10. In the NL, Astros, Cubs, Padres, Dodgers, Rockies, Marlins, and probably the Reds, Mets, Pirates and Nats depending on how their next 10 games go.
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Yeah, that would be a great pickup – and possibly the only one needed, really. But I actually think there might be a reasonable shot to get him.
In our league, I think only the DBacks would be in our way. Willie Bloomquist (.275) is now their regular guy since Drew broke his ankle, though Cody Ransom (.182) has been playing the past couple of days, for reasons I haven’t found.
St. Louis just picked up Furcal, the Giants already have a fossil in Tejada on the bench… with Milwaukee, Betancourt is actually kinda holding his own (.268). Nobody else should really care in the NL, except maybe for spite…. and the Braves would have priority over the entire AL, so it might actually be possible.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I'd think the Diamondbacks would block
since they could use a SS with Drew out as you say.
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Yeah, Renteria is growing on me as an idea
He’s actually hitting better than Alex Gonzalez, and even though his range isn’t what it used to be, he’s still capable at SS.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
IMHO
“Auto-single” would be a welcomed addition to the Braves by August 31st. He can play LF in a pinch, SS, 2B and 3B. Plus, he sorta had a career year with ATL last season. I know he’s hurt right now, but as long as he’s healthy by the end of this month, yep…I make the move.
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I’m very surprised that the Marlins didn’t make him available in July (and I guess they regret that decision now, not that he would necessarily be hurt had he been wearing a tomahawk jersey). Given his performance this year, I doubt the Fish would even attempt to re-sign him (his 3 yr. contract is done after this year).
So unless they really are clueless, I would certainly expect them to entertain waiver-wire offers. It shouldn’t cost more than a minor-league depth guy.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I'd just like to point out how many relief pitchers in our system could replace Proctor and perform better:
-Asencio
-Chapman
-Gearrin
-Vizcaino
-Hoover
-Bullock
-Pruneda
Hell, I’d even prefer Marek over Proctor, and he’s coming off TJ surgery
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There's debate
as to whether Vizcaino and Hoover are “relief” pitchers or if some people in the FO are #@%$ing crazy.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 10, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
This year
Vizcaino is avoiding an overly large innings jump by pitching from the pen for the rest of the year, so it makes sense. I’m lost on Hoover, but Vizcaino makes perfect sense.
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by biggentleben on Aug 10, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
This
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by TurnerTheBurner on Aug 10, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Hoover was the backup option for Vizcaino
FW decided before the deadline that he was going to fill the extra RH reliever role internally. Ascencio and Gearrin failed on the MLB level; Bullock and Pruneda failed in MiLB – hence, FW had to move a starter to the BP. In the plan, Vizcaino became option A; Hoover was option B. If Vizcaino wouldn’t have taken to the BP role, then Hoover (with his performance out of the ’pen in AA so far) would more than likely be in the bigs today.
I've had the same thought...
although not in the sense of if Vizcaino failed in the ’pen, considering his stuff. More his injury history as the reason to need a plan B.
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I think you’re using some harsh and inaccurate terminology there. Neither Ascencio nor Gearrin failed at the Major League level. They pitched the way rookies pitch. In fact, Gearrin was really damn good at what his main job should be at this point, being a ROOGY. And Bullock and Pruneda certainly didn’t fail, they’ve pitched the way developing players in AA pitch. In Pruneda’s last 10 games, which covers nearly a month, he has a 1.35 ERA, a 1.35 WHIP, and 13.5 K/9. Bullock’s numbers are a little ugly, mostly due to his wildness, but if you take out the 2 fluke games where he allowed 4 earned runs, his numbers drop from a 5.23 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP to a 3.76 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP. 2 bad games make things look that much better. None of these guys have been failures this year.
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You're right
I should have either chosen my words or framed the conversation better. I didn’t mean to say any of them failed in terms of being a prospect or that we shouldn’t think that they could be a key contributor to the MLB club down the road. I only meant to say that all 4 showed they wouldn’t be someone that we could count on to break into the O’Ventbrel role this season – even if the case was to give one of those 3 a day’s rest. I’m not 100% sold that Vizcaino or Hoover are ready to break into that role right now either, but they’re much closer to being guys that can do it this year than what I’ve seen out of the other 4.
renteria or pastornicky?
Pastornicky gets called up in September and gonzalez is heating up.. an argument could be made to stick with lugo till September, and let gonzalez play every day.. then come September let the kid come up. He will prob be a better back up producer than anyone else we could trade for, and we need to get a good look at him to decide what to do in the off season at short.
On the other hand, renteria could maybe be had and not for much, he is for sure a winner, I suspect he would ball out in the playoffs, he would be able to hit off the bench better than a rookie used to playing every day.
You aren’t going to see both of these guys.. its a tough choice. With gonzalez heating up, my guess is we wait till September and call up pastornicky.. and while we are on him, I am a fan of not shortening his name, it sounds great in full
by willlinn on Aug 9, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would do both…. Pastornicky as a reward for a fine season, but Renteria to see what he has left in the tank for a playoff run… assuming we could actually get him. If we do, the call-up doesn’t need to happen prior to September 1st; if we can’t, I would have Tyler on the bench on August 31.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I don’t really see Renteria as much of an upgrade. Over the last 4 years, he’s averaged a 79 wRC+ (75 this year, compared to Alex’s 67). He’s not enough of an offensive upgrade to make up for what we’d lose on defense.
i hear you
thats just not the way I would look at it..
We are talking about a stretch run and the playoffs—and I think renteria is a star who can perform in the clutch—in fact, it might be the only thing that makes him perform
Pastornicky
The kid is hitting lights out right now. Time to give him some at bats with the big club and add some bench depth. Drop Lugo of course.
I think I have to agree
1 – He is ust dominating AAA – he is hot, take advantage of it!
2 – We need to get a look and see if we need to go out and find a SS over the offseason, resign agon, or what.. If he plays through september and into the playoffs—dude has a chance.
3 – Anyone we get on the roster wins the world series with us when we win, and nothing would be better for him going into his rookie year than a WS ring—same with Teheran, Minor, Vizcaino
Slightly OT: I Just Want to nip this one in the bud right here and now
Heyman, via MLBTR:
The market for Jose Reyes should still be strong after the season, Jon Heyman writes at SI.com. MLB executives tell Heyman that the Giants, Cardinals, Tigers, Angels, Nationals, Braves, Phillies, Red Sox, Yankees and Mets could be fits for the shortstop in terms of finances and positional need.Perhaps if he means “…Could be HAVING fits…”
Reyes continues to show fragility, and EVEN IF Chipper retires and Lowe’s contract is dealt somewhere, I truly don’t see this team pumping what would have to be $16-18 million per year for 5 years into Reyes (and in my mind, that’s probably the minimum price of admission for him this off-season).
Given that Bourne is now on the team, we have our True Leadoff Hitter in place… albeit at least for 2012. And he’s gonna have to be paid for that matter. If Chipper retires, then Constanza could join the OF and we’d have incredible speed in the lineup… better than any other team, possibly.
As for SS, Pastornicky, if his glove is sound enough, might become the Freddie Freeman of 2012 — the guy whose bat we’re okay with whether it’s good or not. If not, we only need a gap-filler… not a long-term guy.
But in no scenario do I see Reyes running about with a tomahawk on his jersey next year.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I would imagine we’re only listed because we currently don’t have a SS under contract for next year.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
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by king of games on Aug 10, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure we'll kick the tires on Reyes
but I’m also fairly sure that once his demands get out, we’ll bow out of the running.
No idea what this means...
All I’m saying is that we’ll talk to every SS FA out there, but in no way do I think FW would break the bank for Jose Reyes… What does Greg Maddux have to do with that?
Worth a dance, yes.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Unsexy, unexciting names that might be possible RH bench bats
Ty Wigginton
Wes Helms
Shelley Duncan
My personal favorite, though, would be Conor Jackson as a counterpart to Eric Hinske. He can serve as pinch hitter and RH outfielder if we really need it, with an eye on the postseason. Not sure if we could get him through waivers, though.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Wigginton
makes a lot of sense. He’s playable at almost every position (not good, mind you, but not Troy Glaus at 3B bad) and would also, as you say with Jackson, provide the righty version of Hinske. The A’s seem to really like Jackson, for whatever reason.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly
Conor Jackson doesn’t play third base, but he’s a 1B/OF option also. We don’t want much, but looking ahead to the postseason, I’ve decided we really DO need to put a RH bat on the bench. Having Lugo as the first person called in to hit a lefty is just too painful if we’re looking at that during a short series. Ideally, I’d also replace Lugo on the bench with Renteria, or essentially anyone else who could serve as a back-up short stop
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Yeah, how is it that we keep stumbling into these lefty hitters that we love and can’t do without? Gotta find another ‘Rossie’ who doesn’t play catcher.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
why not conrad?
he hits lhp ok
better thn lugo
He does
Fredi never uses him against LHPs, though, at least not as a pinch hitter. He definitely should be used first, but he hasn’t been. I still think a Wiggington-esque player on the bench would be a decent addition for the playoffs.
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by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Helms
was released by the Marlins yesterday. Wonder if the Braves will pick him up as a bench player. I know he can play 1st and 3rd.
by Scott A Wyatt on Aug 14, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
TOTAL Desperation for Pitching
MLBTR: Yankees Sign Scott Proctor
By Mike Axisa [August 13 at 3:56pm CST]
The Yankees have signed Scott Proctor to a minor league contract, reports Mark Feinsand of The New York Daily News (on Twitter). He’ll report to their Triple-A affiliate early next week.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Hey... good for Proctor...
Better on the Yankees than with us I say. Let him whittle his way to the end of his career in their Bullpen, I heard that Sherrill said he warmed a bench nicely (complete sarcasm).
Delmon Young traded to the Tigers.
For an A-ball pitcher and a PTBNL. Wish we could have grabbed him for nothing.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
Not sure how a slightly below league-average hitter that’s having the worst offensive year in his career helps the team at this point…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Career vs lefties is pretty good and he’s typically a slow starter. Who knows what a change of scenery could do.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Aug 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
HORRIBLE fielder
The worst regular outfielder in the major leagues. I want him nowhere near our roster where there’s no DH to hide him.
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by biggentleben on Aug 15, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So I’m thinking that Span-for-Storen deal is dead and buried now. Funeral is over too.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Not so fast
They wanted to move Young AND Span at the deadline. They want to bring back Kubel and Cuddyer in the offseason. That would still give them 4 OFers.
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by biggentleben on Aug 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Mariners just released RHP Chris Ray
He’ll likely be in our pen shortly.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
Rosterbation Rumble: Shortstops
Alex Gonzalez vs. Ryan Theriot vs. Edgar Renteria (and then there’s Pastornicky)
There are a couple of possible shortstop candidates who might be available as we enter the last two weeks before the playoff-eligible roster deadline. My question for the group: which of the three might you rather have?
The SeaBass is all about defense – or at least that’s what we’d all like to think. So let’s look at the numbers… defense first.
In 2011, AGonz has played 119 games, scoring a scant 9 errors (7 fielding, 2 throwing). He’s been involved in 59 double plays (23 turned, 37 started), several of which qualify for the highlight reel in seemingly making the difficult look almost routine. His Total Zone rating for 2010 was 11, the best of his career. However, his UZR/150 is only 3.6 – second lowest, and really just marginally above average. He has been involved with 271 plays in 1066 innings; roughly one play every 4 (far lower than I would have expected). Alex makes a play on 85% of balls in his zone. He is credited with 15 total defensive runs saved, easily on pace for best of career. These numbers need to be kept in mind for the rest of this manifesto.
Ryan Theriot has been made a backup on the fading Cardinals squad, and has been identified by MLBTR as a non-tender candidate-in-waiting. He has had a rough year in the field – certainly worse than his career would normally suggest. In 89 games, he has 16 errors (11 fielding/5 throwing). He’s been involved in 49 double plays (27 turned, 18 started). His Total Zone rating is incomplete for this year, but averages -2 to -1 overall (essentially ‘less than average’). However, his UZR/150 is -15.2 (not so good, and consistent with 2010’s -18.1). He has been involved with 184 plays in 743 innings; roughly one play every 4 innings, though the numbers suggest that he only makes a play on 77% of balls in his zone. Defensive runs saved? -12 … this is a bad number, which amounts to giving away a run every week. Compared to Alex, this amount to a differential of 27 runs… a staggering figure, particularly for a team that plays in so many close games. This could also explain the Cardinals’ season.
Edgar Renteria. He has had 63 games at short for the Reds with 12 errors (7 fielding/5 throwing). He’s been involved in 63 double plays (25 turned, 31 started). His Total Zone rating is close to average. His UZR/150 is only -3.9, below average, though in 2010 it was 6.9. He has been involved with 118 plays in 460 innings; taking about 80% of plays in his zone. He is credited with -4 total defensive runs saved.
Offensive Side.
AGonz has a slash line of .236/.265/.348/.614. 15 GIDP, 104K, 16 walks (almost a career low BB/K rate). 2B/3B/HR/RBI: 19, 1, 10, 41. His clutch rating is -0.71. Of note: his percentage of swings at pitches outside the strike zone is at 43.7% … a career high, and significantly up over the past 4 years. His wRC+ (weighted Runs Created) figure is 64, way below the average of 100 and pretty much a career low. Overall WAR is 0.7.
The Riot. .274/.320/.337/.657. In 86% of the Plate appearances (compared to AGonz), he has 11 GIDP, 36K, 22 walks (decent BB/K rate). 2B/3B/HR/RBI: 22, 0, 1, 39. His clutch rating is -0.38, has recently been much worse (-1.61 in 2010). His percentage of swings at pitches outside the strike zone is nearly half that of Gonzalez, at 23.6%. His wRC+ (weighted Runs Created) figure is 83, below average, and relatively consistent. Overall WAR is 0.5.
Edgar. .245/.315/.345/.660. In half the PA’s, Edgar has 4 GIDPs, 47K, 19BB. 2B/3B/HR/RBI: 10, 0, 4, 28. His clutch rating is 0.74, has recently been in the neighborhood of average or above. His percentage of swings at pitches outside the strike zone is okay at 27.5%. His wRC+ (weighted Runs Created) figure is 79, below average, and relatively consistent. Overall WAR is 0.6.
Finally, I’ll check L/R splits
AGonz: .277 vs. L, .218 vs. R
Theriot: .305 vs.365
Edgar: .333 vs. .227
I went into this thinking two things: (1) AGonz can’t be THAT much better in the field than possible alternatives, and (2) Surly we can find somebody to play SS that can hit better enough to make us forget about the fielding differences.
Unfortunately, I think the numbers speak for themselves. What Gonzo fails to do at the dish truly is made up for in the field. I don’t even know that Renteria is worth bringing in as a RH Bat/late replacement, given his defense and lack of evident upgrade offensively — I sure wouldn’t give up anything of value to get him.
The Callup option?
So should we bring in Pastornicky? Frankly, I don’t know that his defense is going to be any better than that of an average SS, and while we are wowed by his AAA numbers (which may be cooling off), this may be in the gray area of ‘getting a little too risky for a playoff team.’
My own conclusion:
Given Chipper’s lack of lateral range, I think I have to hold my nose and keep what we’ve got out there. Maybe somebody can slap around Sea Bass a little and keep the GIDP’s to a minimum. At least that would help.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Meanwhile, this from MLBTR
Cubs players Kerry Wood and Reed Johnson were claimed on waivers and pulled back, reports Stark.
We’ll never know… but several of us were trolling the possibility of getting Johnson back in July. Won’t happen this year.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Wes Helms
Anyone think the Braves could go after Helms who was just released? He’s a class act guy and a good player off the bench. I don’t really see him fitting our positional needs though.
I think it’s possible….. <_<
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by king of games on Aug 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Failcoeur signs extension
2 years, $13.5 million. Dayton Moore loves his ex-Braves
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Jeffy's having a pretty @#$# good year.
2.2 WAR this year.
Heyward’s got a 1.1 WAR this year, by the way. Bourn had a 4.4 WAR witt Houston and is 0.6 with us. Constanza is a 1.0 WAR for us. McLouth is 0.6.
Frenchy’s been pretty valuable for the Royals. While not SUPER, he’s been a productive player. For the record, Melky’s got a 2.5 WAR.
Dayton likes him some ex-Braves, but this year it’s helped his club.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Astros put Wandy Rodriguez and Brett Myers on waivers today
obviously not a target of ours, but I wonder if anyone is willing to take on Wandy’s contract…
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
I can't imagine why some of the bigger names wouldn't
Watching what the Sox and Yankees are attempting to trot out there, they’d be dumb not to.
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by biggentleben on Aug 19, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Clint Barmes hits the wire....
Breakdown between Barmes and Gonzalez (AVG/OBP/SLG).
Clint Barmes: .255/.324/.389, 8HR, 11 Errors
A-Gon: .232./259/.340, 10HR, 9 Errors
Barmes will be a free agent next year and I’m not sure who his agent is. When does Pastornicky expect to compete?
D-Lo is sweeter than Sweet n Low!
Don’t use errors made as a measure of defensive worth. Barnes is a utility infielder, not a starting quality defender at shortstop. Gonzalez is one of the best defensive shortstops in the league. Barmes isn’t really worth more than a C prospect as a utility infielder on the roster, but I’m not sure who he’d replace on the active roster currently so he could be on playoff roster.
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by biggentleben on Aug 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the metrics I’m seeing, Barmes seems almost as good as Seabass around short, and could easily replace Julio Lugo for the remainder of the season. He’s not good enough to warrant a sizeable trade – particular since he’s a 6-week rental, but he would definitely help finish up the roster for the stretch run.
I would do this trade…. for Lugo and the salary of both players for the rest of the year.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Oh, I'd be up for getting him
I just have seen enough of him to know that there’s a big drop off from Gonzo to him. It would be good to have a guy who at least is capable of a day or two at the position.
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by biggentleben on Aug 20, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way: either AZ or SF could try and take Barmes – both are having shortstop issues, so while I’d definitely put in a claim, … I expect he’s heading out west.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Barmes’ agency is Meister Sports Management.
That firm also has a few recognizables: Craig Counsell, Kyle Farnsworth, Shelley Duncan, Casey McGehee and our Nick Ahmed among them.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Interesting...
In response to Ben’s earlier post, I was trying to diversify (minimally) stats for a higher level overview. I do not thrive on errors, but wanted to include that beyond the typical three stat slash. I think Seabass is amazing defender, but I’m willing to try Barmes’ glove given his offensive ability. As a hardcore Braves fan, I’m not to the level of most TCers and their knowledge of our farm system, but I think the Astro is a great fit.
I know that Barmes is set for free agency next year and I’m sure he’ll be expecting a decent contract given his past performance, regardless of playing in Denver. I agree with Carpengui in at least blocking him to other contenders since it gives them a legitimate shortstop option. Personally, I would look to him as the stop-gap to Pastornicky. Again, I do not know much about the granularity of baseball, but I can forecast each pitch to Seabass and predict his reaction (usually strikeout).
D-Lo is sweeter than Sweet n Low!
wouldn't replace Seabass...
but could fit in to the Diory, Hicks, Lugo role.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Open Question: Should the Braves claim Jim Thome....
…specifically for the purpose of making sure that the Phils don’t get him?
(I know, like we need another LH hitter – particularly a DH…however….).
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Doubt he makes it that far...
I think the AL Central swallows him up…Dunn’s struggling mightily and Hafner just went DL.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
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