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Beachy and Minor - Moving Forward


I believe many Braves fans found it surprising that Brandon Beachy beat out Mike Minor for this season's 5th starter spot in the Atlanta rotation, but both have seen considerable action this season anyway.

In the interest of comparing the two's situations, there are a lot of things to consider. However, I'm not going to attempt to find which is better or worse. They will both be Braves for a long time, barring a trade.

First, their major league performance thus far.

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Brandon Beachy has started 23 games, earning himself a 3.31 FIP (87 FIP-) during his tenure with the big-league ballclub. He's struck out 9.95 batters per nine (26.5 K%) while walking 2.71 per nine (7.2 BB%). Batters have a .298 BABIP, fairly run-of-the-mill. Meanwhile, Minor has a sterling 3.01 FIP (78 FIP-), striking out 8.88 per nine IP (22.1 K%) while walking 2.80 BB/9 (7.0 BB%). Minor's opposing BABIP is .357, which suggests he's been a bit unlucky on balls in play and accounts for some of the differences in ERA.

Based upon these past performances, Beachy projects a 3.30 xFIP (85 FIP-), a 3.60 tERA and 3.01 SIERRA. Minor projects a 3.49 xFIP (89 xFIP-) with a 3.79 tERA and 3.46 SIERRA. So, while Minor's actual performance has earned him a better FIP, he does not project quite so well as Beachy, probably because of his low HR/FB that does not project in xFIP as well a 24.7% LD rate that isn't well-liked by tERA and SIERRA.

The final consideration to be made, as with all young players, is service time. A full season is considered 172 days, but partial seasons still count. This actually plays out fairly big in the comparison.

Although Beachy had just 14 days of service time before 2011, he's been with the big-league club all year (or on the DL, which counts against service time). So, unless he's miraculously sent down to finish the year, he's going to be at 1 year, 14 days going into 2012. As such, he projects as a free agent after the 2016 season. This assumes, of course, that he's not demoted for any length of time, as his minuscule 14 days of extra service time could easily be swallowed up by such a move.

Minor entered the year with 58 days of service time, but actually projects to have less than a full season by year's end. According to my calculations, he should end up with no more than 163 days of service even if he stays with the Atlanta squad for the rest of this year. As such, if he never sees the minor leagues again, he will be a free agent after 2017, one year later than Beachy. That said, he's almost a lock for Super 2 status (if it is kept in the CBA, which is not certain), which means both will hit arbitration in the same offseason.

Both players' eligibility for the ROY award will end after this season. I don't think either figure to be significant candidates for the award, though Beachy could potentially jump into the spotlight with an incredibly impressive September. Right now, he's a darkhorse candidate at best.

So, when comparing the two, here are my conclusions:

1) Both are really good, with every single advanced metric coming in below 4.00. That's pretty astounding and bodes incredibly well for both of their futures.

2) The Braves will likely get an extra year of Minor, but at a cost. However, baseball has become a game of team control as much as on-field performance. The majority of the teams in the league don't have two players that meet the level of performance described in my first conclusion, let alone the amount of service time remaining with each. This is a huge advantage for the Braves.

So, sit back, relax and enjoy both of these guys, as they project to put up 3-4 fWAR per season well into the future.

-C

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Nice analysis

Thanks for comparing the metrics.

Doesn’t it seem likely one of these two will be traded, considering the crowd in the Atlanta rotation?

by parish on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Great analysis

and good stats, but are we really looking down the road to 2016-17 already?

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Aug 30, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

No...

Just acknowledging that they exist, which is good. The Phillies roster doesn’t really even acknowledge 2014 yet, so we’re well ahead in planning for the future.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Aug 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Your comment had me look to their Cot’s page….

2012
Under Contract: Halladay, Howard, Utley, Lee, Blanton, Victorino, Polanco, Ruiz, Contreras
Arby: Hamels, Pence, Kendrick, Francisco, Orr, Valdez

2013
Under Contract: Halladay, Howard, Utley, Lee
Arby: Pence, Kendrick, Francisco, Orr, Valdez, Herndon, Bastardo

2014
Under Contract: Howard, Lee
Arby: Kendrick, Orr, Valdez, Herndon, Bastardo, D.Brown*, Mayberry*

*Could qualify for 2014, or may not make eligibility until 2015

That is incredibly bleek. To keep that staff together will make them easily a $200M team.

2014
Under Contract
Arby

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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)

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by biggentleben on Sep 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just had to count on my fingers… yeah this adds up. good math sir.

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent analysis

The Braves have an extremely bright future and it starts with our pitchers…..I love the Braves

by Braves24 on Aug 30, 2011 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Tell ya what

JJ
Hanson
Medlen
Beachy
Minor
Teheran
Delgado
Vizcaino

That’s eight guys that are or could be top 2 starters.

JJ spent half the season as the game’s best pitcher (after another 2.6 era season)

Hanson has has a 2.9 and 3.3 ERAs plus this season in which he was on the leader boards before his shoulder caught up to him

Medlen’s minor league numbers are sterling, and he definitely showed he can pitch in the majors—truth is, I think he’s the most underrated pitcher in the organization.

If Beachy was having the season he is having after a few years in the league, people would be calling him a no. 2 pitcher.

Minor holds our rookie strike out record, and I’ll let the above article speak the rest..

Teheran—Minor league rookie of the year and MVP

Delgado- No hit the marlins through six innings in his second major league start, and the scouts seem to love him

Vizcaino – stupid yankees… This guy is dominant in the pen for the big league club, and is clearly ahead of the curve as a future ace of a rotation.

I’m not going to takl about trading anyone during the stretch…I’m just saying that with these eight guys, we should be able to fashion a rotation that would be the envy of baseball—five guys posting sub 3.5 ERAs with all able to post sub 3 ERAs on any given year.

by willlinn on Aug 31, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Beachy

I cannot stop fawning over this kid, his performance, his makeup, his gamesmanship, his maturity, and his flat out ability to pitch. Of ALL and I mean all the young guys we have, I want to keep him more than any of them. When I look at consistency, injury past/future, and having a high floor all together, none of those guys I think have the all around package that he does.

As for the other guys, I love em all, and can only hope they continue to get better, stay healthy, and bring us division titles and world championships. But I really, really, really hope Beachy is one of those top 2 or 3 guys who’s able to do that year in and year out in a Braves uniform.

by elucas91 on Aug 31, 2011 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a very, very strong young Smoltz vibe from Beachy

…and what made Smoltz great in the postseason was that he took that intensity and focus he usually attributed only in tough situations and applied it to the entire game. If Beachy can access his focus in a similar manner, look out postseason opposition!

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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)

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by biggentleben on Sep 3, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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