Hey, Braves, it's your turn now. Get on this.
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Scott Coleman
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There's no team in baseball that could have more of an impact by participating in this than the Braves.
I am proud to be a Kennesaw State Fighting Owl. -- Vince Dooley
What?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 29, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
wouldn’t the Yankees or Red Sox probably have a bigger impact. Or are you saying something about the Braves’ mostly southern fanbase?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly...doubt it.
Both are cities with huge LGBT populations as is, so they’ve been dealing with the issue outside of baseball for years and years in those cities.
I don’t know that Atlanta would have more effect than anyone, but I think cities with large LGBT populations already (NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, etc…I’m sure there are others) wouldn’t experience the same effect from this type of advertising.
That’s not to say those teams shouldn’t get in on the act, though. I think it would be good for every team, regardless of sport, to show their support for ending this type of harassment.
Edit (though I’ll leave my original comments): Just looked at LGBT demographics and didn’t realize Atlanta was nearly so high (3rd city per capita w/ 12.8% gay population). I’ve never been, so I can’t say how tolerant folks are to that lifestyle. But the other cities I’ve visited with high amounts of LGBT folks per capita have been pretty tolerant. I’ve never run into a situation where I’ve seen people get bullied or ridiculed in Denver (~8%), which makes me proud that most of the populace seems to get it. I’m sure it happens, without a doubt, but I’ve never encountered it despite having several friends of that persuasion.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Aug 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Read your thoughts...
but my response was in your edit. Aside from NYC and SF, Atlanta has a larger community there than anywhere. Maybe that’s why he felt the Braves would be an ideal choice. I don’t get why they’d have more of an impact than any other team, especially with such a strong community in Atlanta already, but whatever.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
The large community inside the tolerant urbanized core is surrounded by much larger numbers of highly reactionary intolerant folks in the neighboring suburban sprawlvilles. The demographics are slowly shifting, but its still not so different than it was decades ago.
You could say that anywhere
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by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 30, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
“There’s nothing easy about being young.”
What? Being young was the easiest time of my life!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 29, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
0-21 = easy
21- 30 = student loans
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
30-40 = denial of getting older
40-50 = mid life crisis, career ultimatums, kids starting college
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 29, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish my student loans ended @ 30…although I am getting closer and finally making enough to put a nice dent into the capital each year.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I hear ya.
I forced myself to pay more than the minimum (double, actually) just to make the pain go away quicker.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 29, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I dislike the “It gets better,” message. Kids shouldn’t really be encouraged to grow up quickly. I’d LOVE to be 10 years old again.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
This
And no, life doesn’t get better.
It gets worse.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
For most people, that sounds about right.
However, as I said in my response, the people I know that suffered through this on a daily basis feel starkly different than you or I. It really, truly has gotten better for them, because they’re no longer forced to be placed face-to-face with intolerant dickheads every day of their life. They certainly still get persecuted at times, but from their stories, it’s not nearly as dismal a time now that they’ve grown up and are able to lead relatively normal lives.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I imagine your childhood sufferings and the sufferings of a LGBT teen were/are quite different. When you’re tormented everyday, perspective is often lost.
I, too, generally think as you do. Childhood was sweet. Great parents, great family, just a great situation overall. Every one of my friends of a different sexual orientation do not feel the same way at all, to a man/woman.
Though not old, I grew up in a time when being “out” wasn’t even considered, so I don’t know how bad kids at my school got it, for the most part. I do know the ones that were suspected were not treated well by many.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
It gets easier
This would be a simple thing for the Braves to do, and a meaningful one. There is a lot of intolerance, or at least casual disregard for LGBT issues in the sports culture. I see young people on a regular basis casually using terms like “that’s gay” or calling each other “fag” and the like.
What I don’t see regularly (since kids don’t do this in front of adults), but I know about from personal reports, is the even more particularized and focused bullying and teasing that goes on when there is a child (under 18)/young person who presents as “gay” to a group of heterosexual peers. It is plainly and clearly vicious.
Culturally, we have all made great strides in tolerance recently. Things are getting better. Small, meaningful steps to continue to stress tolerance, acceptance, and to help a depressed, upset, kid struggling with “otherness” can help someone who may be at or near the end of his/her rope hang on. And it is a message to everyone else that teasing/bullying is harmful, it hurts, and that it has real psychological/physical consequences. Depression can be fatal.
I have no idea why every MLB team, especially in light of the incident earlier this year, hasn’t gotten on board and done an “It gets better” PSA. If just a few minds are changed, it’s worth it. If just a couple of kids make it out of high school and into college, it’s worth it.
Get with it, Braves.
Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!
Is there a socially acceptable difference in saying “That’ gay” and “you throw like a girl?”
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I’m not female, I guess I can’t be the arbiter of such things.
The plain way to say it is, “you throw poorly” but that hardly conveys the loaded, concise, and universally-understood message that needs to be sent to, say, a poor-throwing player on the opposition that you might want to heckle.
That said, the common (mis)use of “gay” and “fag” is more or less the same to me as would be the use of stereotypes that society recognizes now as unacceptable. Someone 25 years ago might have called a nouveau riche person “nigger rich” for instance. That’s clearly unacceptable now (and in some places in 1986, it probably was then, too, but you get the point).
What do we replace timeworn, and socially unacceptable language with now? I don’t know. The present lack of an obvious replacement doesn’t change the fact that the language that we seek to replace is unacceptable.
It’s not just the use of “gay” or “fag.” As you pointed out, “girl” and “woman” get misused. I know people with an autistic child, and I mistakenly told them that I needed to go to “the iphone class for retards” since I was such a doofus with the phone. I got a well-deserved education that day, along with more awareness.
Long non-answer to a short question, I know.
Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!
by FrediGonzalez on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. I understand exactly what you are saying.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know why they’d be specifically offended. Their child has autism, not mental retardation. It’s not like you were slandering specifically their child. As hopefully people are beginning to learn about autism, they don’t necessarily lack reasoning or intelligence, but are socially limited.
I’m curious about the movement to make “retard” equivalent to ethnic slurs. Those have a full history of usage by people who literally viewed entire groups of people as being subhuman or even worthy of genocidal extermination based solely on superficial reasoning and standards. There’s a clear history of racial tensions which make using those terms a clear no-no for anyone who wants to be actually tolerant.
With the usage of the term “retard,” though…I’m not saying we should feel free to point and laugh, or find enjoyment in people purposely making fun of actual people with mental retardation (like in “The Ringer,”), but I honestly don’t see them as a culture worthy of complete respect, either. I’m sympathetic, certainly, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to hire severely retarded individuals for jobs they clearly aren’t suited for, which unfortunately does include a wide array of options. And that should be obvious.
I mean, it’s not nice to call people a “retard,” but honestly, there’s a reason it’s an insult, also.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I know I’m in the minority here, in more ways than one – but I don’t want celebrities or athletes putting themselves out there as a moral compass for anything. I want them to stick to their art, sport or whatever has made them famous and leave the social commentary alone.
I think the responsibility for guiding young people should fall to their parents foremost, then their family, clergy, friends and people who care about them. Coping skills can’t be learned from a 30 second PSA.
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by NCChopper on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree with you.
Though I will say that there are times — especially for gays and lesbians — when that support system doesnt exist.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Honest question here – (I know every time I say that, I potentially get too personal with you. Sorry!)
Does a PSA like this or a sports team making a statement help you feel any better or add to your support system?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily at this point in my life. I’m in my mid-20s, and I’m comfortable with my sexuality. But that wasn’t the case ten years ago when I was in high school. I wasn’t out to anyone, even close friends, for fear of reprisal (emotional and physical). It would have been very nice to know someone, somewhere, that I liked or admired simply said, “Hey, it’s okay.” I didn’t get that message when I needed it, and I’m sure it stunted my growth as a person.
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Well, you and I are both the same height…so perhaps it did stunt your growth! :D
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of agree but only in the sense that until a prominent pro baseball player out himself while still playing, the message given is rather vague (how is it going to get better?). A better message is to tell people not to bully other (or not to destroy the city after winning the championship).
by LEastCoastBears on Aug 31, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions























