Tomahawk Chop Etiquette
by Philly Bravo on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
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We've all witnessed it haven't we? Braves up 2-1 in the 3rd inning, we hear it. Braves up by 5 in the 7th against the Mets and Gee just gave up a single to Tommy Hanson after walking Alex on four pitches...we hear it. If you don't know by now, I'm talking about the Chop. Yes, it has become devalued because they play the hell out of it...everytime a Brave gets on base, you know that it's coming. I've seen them overdo it so much that by the 7th inning entire sections are ignoring it (sore arm maybe). The Chop & Chant should be the ultimate rallying cry for the team in my opinion. There's no need to rally when you're already ahead and the chant should not be heard if the Bravos are down by at least 3 or 4 (in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and their pitcher just walked a Brave. Whoever's playing that lacks discernment as to when to start the chant (I envision some Paris Hilton looking chick in there). Anyway, this is chant etiquette. When should it be broken out and why don't Braves fans have chants directed towards the opposition? That would really liven Turner Field up (I'll be down for the playoffs).
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I didn’t want my post to be one large paragraph with no breaks, so here’s the rest of it.
1A) The Tomahawk chop should be used only when the Atlanta Braves are mounting comeback. A comeback in which they have great odds to score. EX: Down 4-2, nobody or one out, 1 or 2 on base with the heart of the line up set to go (or the most favorable matchup hitting).
1B) Same as above except it’s a tie game scenario.
Basically, the chant becomes silly when it’s being played to death. Imagine the Mets unveiling that apple everytime a Met got on base or Sox fans singing Sweet Caroline at the bottom of every inning…that’s my point, they have etiquette with their traditions and (since wd jacked it from FSU) we should have some too.
We did when Brian WIlson came in
……and he promptly blew a 2-run lead. It worked like a charm. Even the Braves players said after the game that they were energized by the crowd when Wilson came in.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Aug 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
nope the chop is classic
don’t go changing the one beautiful unique tradition the Braves have developed over the years.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Aug 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The chant is fine but that chop is actually a 1st down signifier. That’s weird for baseball, imo.
The Braves have an exceptional bullpen, we all can agree on that. I would die laughing if Braves fans give a sarcastic golf clap whenever Venters or Kimbrel allows a hit and shouts “You still suck and you still won’t score!” Mock sympathy chants would be great whenever an opposing player strikes out in unimportant situations.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 24, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought the chop signified a tomahawk (coming down on the opposition)…
it makes sense as both for FSU but only a tomahawk for the Braves obviously..
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Aug 24, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the chop really is kinda corny and Braves fans should ditch it. The PA guy should just be there to give lines. The routine “Lets go Braves” or the repeating a player’s name can be done all game long and are encouraging cheers that should precede the chant. I agree too that the chant should be something organic.
Glad you came along...
to set the Braves organization and fans straight.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Aug 24, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
hahahah
thats one way to put it….
I was going the more polite subtle route, but sure, sarcasm works just as well
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Aug 24, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Well I’m a Braves fan too. I know that you’ve noticed it too because I’ve seen the PA guy start it up in the bottom 9th inning with two out and a Brave reaches base…seriously, the L is inevitable (sometimes the Braves faced a sizable deficit) and they are just inopportune with it. That’s all, just a discussion.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 24, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's
when motivation is most needed, IMO. I mean, really? Two outs in the bottom of the ninth and a loss is INEVITABLE? How much baseball have you watched?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
You really don’t understand. Fans need to aware of the situation. If the Braves are down by a good margin with 2 outs and a Brave reaches base it’s silly to start the chant staring at the sure L.
You got me wrong big time. It would be far more appropriate for fans to bridge a 9th inning out of control game (with 2 outs) with the “Lets go Bravos” and individual player cheers and then get to the chant if we have the other team on their heels.
Do we see what I mean or do you prefer it where the crowd’s either tentatively chanting & chopping, ignoring it, or both? Hold up, that’s already happening. I like the rules from Clemson Caniac.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really trying to decide...
if you are for real or not; that would be the only thing I don’t understand.
I don’t need anyone to make me “aware of the situation”. I usually know what’s going on.
This thread is quite amusing.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
"Rules" for Chopping . . . really?
So, what are fans to do – take a “cheat sheet” with them to the game so they can check it and see if it’s the proper time to chop or not? What if someone has a few beers or their rebellious streak kicks in and they decided to wing it on their own?
I’m with you sddbaker, can’t hardly believe this isn’t anything but an attempt at sarcasm disguised. ;-)
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
SMH. It has been watered down because obviously someone’s not aware of baseball situations. The PA guy (and some fans) at TF has blurred the lines between a 2 out bb with nobody on with an actual rally. It is what it is.
How about cheering for a rally type situation and chanting whenever we’ve reached th rally, that way it actually retains meaning.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 26, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 26, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. When the chop is played so much that it even annoys Braves fans, it’s overused. But I guess Justin may be right; maybe you and I are the only two people on the planet who care.
That Justin guy’s bugging to be honest. It would be nice to get it back to what it was in the beginning. That Justin guy know the rep of us Braves fans and an overdone/uninspired rallying cry feeds into that rep. Having a good game atmosphere could cause have us to draw somewhere around 37-40k per home game instead of 29k The Braves are the 4th best team in baseball and I hold everything about this team to a high standard. Let Justin say “who cares” when Chipper, Bobby, Schuerholz, and Braves broadcasters call us out on the attendance some more.
Yeah, I care because overdoing it messes with the game atmosphere. Some get it, some don’t.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You really are all over the place in this post.
The Chop doesn’t keep people from attending baseball games.
I’m not sure why you guys are being critical of people cheering with 2 outs.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t feel like writing a thesis on my phone. I’m not saying that the chop/chant in itself is a problem. In a nutshell: The rally cry is overused to the point where the atmosphere looks dull:
<a href="http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3qnou911E8o&v=3qnou911E8o&gl=US" >Video
<a href="http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dm1OJQY0WuXI&v=m1OJQY0WuXI&gl=US" >this
Everyone’s on their feet when FSU is doing the Warchant. On average, there’s no enthusiasm whenever it’s being played. Regarding my attendance piece, it’s going to games vs watching it at home now. Major metro ATL’s only averaging 29k. Looks like television is winning out. At least strengthen the homefield advantage…the warchant would be a good start.
We’ve officially made the warchant (rally cry) into a mockery when it’s being played when someone like Halladay or Lincecum pitch around McCann to get to Dan ( 2 out, nobody on and trailing by 3 or more). That scenario isn’t a rally yet, come see me if Dan gets on base. See what I mean?
by Philly Bravo on Aug 27, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Disregard the youtube links. Fail on my part.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I do see what you mean.
I just think it’s stupid.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
couldn’t have said it better. nothing is wrong with the chop.
by styraciflua on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"Lets go Braves"
Sounds too much like “Lets go Mets” which is used at Shea & Citi Field the same way the tomahawk chop is used in Atlanta. Leave the chop/chant as is. It gives fans hope and helps rally the team no matter how far down we are.
by styraciflua on Aug 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A LOT of Braves Fans LOVE the "Chop" and the "Chant" only makes it better.
It motivates our players and if it irritates the opponents and their fans – then it’s a bonus IMO.
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by NCChopper on Aug 24, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The fact that it irritates opponents and especially their fans..
is fantastic. Reading other blogs and hearing their reactions makes me want them to do it more. It’s sort of like Rocky Top in the SEC. The more you hate it, the more we’re gonna play it.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
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exactly. It motivates our players and irritates their fans. I live in Brooklyn and there’s nothing Met’s fans can’t stand more than the chant/chop. That’s reason enough to keep it IMHO.
by styraciflua on Aug 30, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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Can’t stop the chop.
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by Scott Coleman on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree to a point: We probably shouldn’t do the Chop for every single baserunner we get during the game. But late in the game when we are trailing the opposing team? No matter how large the deficit, we need to get the Rally Cry going, and our Rally Cry is the Chop.
Besides, can we ever forget 1991 when we started doing the Chop at the old Atlanta-Fulton Country stadium? With all those red tomahawks in the stand chopping to the beat of the drum? I got goosebumps whenever I saw it. Keep the Chop alive, I say.
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
Thank you for actually opining on the main point and coming up with a more suitable time to do it. Me personally, I agree with Walknbalk in that it should be organic but etiquette’s needed for that.
Well, the only part I don’t like is the “No matter how large the deficit” part because it’d look cheap and silly if the Braves were getting pounded and just drew a two out walk in the bottom 9th inning…but I do respect that it should be a rallying cry and it is a better option over playing it everytime a Brave reaches base.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
The Chop should only be used after the 4th inning and in special circumstances.
5th Inning: In a tie game, Braves are down by three or less
Runner on third less than two outs
Basses loaded
6th Inning: In a tie game, Braves are down by three or less
Runner in scoring position no outs
Runner on third less than two outs
Basses Loaded
7th Inning: In a tie game, Braves are down by three or less
Runner in scoring position no outs
Runner on third less than two outs
Basses Loaded
8th Inning: In a tie game, Braves are down by three or less, Braves up 1
Runner in scoring position no outs
Runner on third less than two outs
Basses Loaded
by Clemson Caniac on Aug 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
1+ Thanks man, I appreciate your thoroughness in this. The Braves PA guy should be sent a copy of your post.
This will really liven Turner Field up in more because the staleness would be removed.
by Philly Bravo on Aug 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know there are a few other Hokies here
Do you do the chop? I don’t.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
NCAAF SUGAR BOWL
FINAL 1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH TOTAL
—- - - - -—
VIRGINIA TECH (2) 7 7 15 0 29
FLORIDA ST (1) 14 14 0 18 46 FINAL
SCORING SUMMARY
1ST QTR: FSU – TD, PETER WARRICK 64 YD PASS FROM CHRIS WEINKE
(SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI KICK), 11:38
FSU – TD, JEFF CHANEY 6 YD RETURN OF BLOCKED PUNT
(SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI KICK), 12:46
VTCH – TD, ANDRE DAVIS 49 YD PASS FROM MICHAEL VICK
(SHAYNE GRAHAM KICK), 14:30
2ND QTR: FSU – TD, RON DUGANS 63 YD PASS FROM CHRIS WEINKE
(SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI KICK), 1:15
FSU – TD, PETER WARRICK 59 YD PUNT RETURN (SEBASTIAN
JANIKOWSKI KICK), 3:20
VTCH – TD, MICHAEL VICK 3 YD RUN (SHAYNE GRAHAM KICK),
14:23
3RD QTR: VTCH – FG, SHAYNE GRAHAM 23 YD, 7:06
VTCH – TD, ANDRE KENDRICK 29 YD RUN (TWO-POINT CONVERSION
FAILED), 9:03
VTCH – TD, ANDRE KENDRICK 6 YD RUN (TWO-POINT CONVERSION
FAILED), 12:47
4TH QTR: FSU – TD, RON DUGANS 14 YD PASS FROM CHRIS WEINKE (PETER
WARRICK RECEPTION FOR TWO-POINT CONVERSION),
2:01
FSU – FG, SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI 32 YD, 4:34
FSU – TD, PETER WARRICK 43 YD PASS FROM CHRIS WEINKE
(SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI KICK), 7:18
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
in spite of the crappy wall of text
I know what you’re attempting to do.
I will remember this.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
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Yeah, the copy/paste of a box score didn’t turn out too well.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 26, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
this happens all the time
any time a team gets a rallying cry like this the “powers” always begin to over use it and/or use it at the wrong times. it is annoying, but it is just how it goes.
set the fans and organization straight?
lol. i’m sorry, you know the chop is severely overused when even in intense moments in the game, 80% of the fans don’t do it and 10% of those that do, chop meekly like they are embarassed.
only in the postseason do i see chopping con gusto.
that is the very definition of overused.
If you think only 10% of the people at the Ted are chopping, you are misguided.
The series I went to (the Cubs) was a sellout and I’d say that there were fewer than 10% NOT chopping.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 25, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The times I’ve been at the Ted – whenever we were ahead, needed a Rally at a key moment in an inning or getting ready to shut the door on another WIN…they were chopping like crazy. Me, right along with them. :-)
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
I was there too
and by VAST majority, I’ll just let you know he means everyone. Cause it was literally everyone.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, everyone. that was the loudest crowd i’d ever heard there. what a blissful, ecstatic 10 minutes or so. despite the outcome, one of my favorite games i’ve gone to.
the chop is alright. i guess i’m picky. i like it with the bright red tomahawks and when everyone is doing it. i love a really loud Let’s Go Braves chant, and i love the sung chant as well.
As far as I am concerned...
I hate it when any stadium/team spurs on the rallying cry for the crowd. Nobody needs to be told that in the 9th when your closer is finishing out a game to stand up and clap. I sit at the bar with my friends and watch the games and we do the chop when the mood strikes us and it usually is a mutual feeling and agreement to start doing it, just feels right. So, I think fans will govern their use of the “Chop” on their own, no rules needed, but the Ted should lay off unless its an obvious time to do it, u know bases loaded or fantastic home run kind of thing.
I don't know this is Pro sports, not college
Pro audience are often lazy bandwagoners and they NEED to be prompted to do anything. GIven how the crowd (even my mom who is not that much of a baseball fan) enjoy doing the chop and how much it annoyed the other teams’ fans (if not the other team), I think the overusage of it is still fine.
by LEastCoastBears on Aug 26, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so a lot of Braves fans are going to disagree with me on this one. I can’t stand the chop. It’s probably as annoying to me as it is to our opposing fans. I just think it’s a lazy cheer, and when I think of it, I picture some fat old guy sitting in his seat, doing the chop with his belly hanging out.
Yeah, back in 91 and 92, I thought it was cool. Deion started it up, and it was a good rallying cry. These days, it’s a totally uninspired cheer that probably does nothing to get the players pumped up. The only time the chop really works is if the entire house is doing it — then, maybe it would be intimidating. But when the chop starts after every leadoff singe during the season, it’s played out.
When I think of crowds that seem more intimidating, I think of things like the 91 Twins with their white towels or the Steelers fans. Annoying? Yes, but those seem like they work. I was there in 82 (pre-chop), when Fulton County Stadium was going crazy at the 13th game. The place was deafening, sans chop.
And for the people who think the chop is offensive, I say screw em. Political correctness at it’s finest. I just want to get rid of it because it’s played out.
I hate…..so much….about the things you choose to be.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 26, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You win.
Best. Comment. Ever.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 26, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I personally love the Chop.
As a matter of fact, I want to do the Chop while sitting atop my hubby’s back as he does the Kimbrel bend.
Think we could get that going stadium wide?
Hey, it’s gotta be better than the dang “Wave”
Now, if we want to discuss something stupid and annoying…there ya go. :-)
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
by NCChopper on Aug 26, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
how many times can you legally rec something?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 26, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my….
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 26, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s been a while since I’ve gotten one those out of you Justin :-)
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
TWSS?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal Chop/Chant position
I have no problem w/the Chop/Chant @ any time during the game because to me it’s more than just a rally “thing” but it takes on different manifestations. If it’s a 2 out in the bottom of the 9th & the Bravos are down & seemingly out, it’s a “never say die” chant. (And I personally cannot think of a more appropriate time for the chop, no matter the score.) If it’s played while the Braves are enjoying a comfortable lead then it’s a “we are dominating & the tomahawk is coming down on the head of our competition” chant. It can be a source of encouragement for the whole team or an individual player. I remember some chopping for Uggs during his slump. It was a way of saying we still believe in you big guy.
It’s part of Braves culture & it’s a beautiful thing, no matter the circumstance. I really get a kick out of watching the Chik Fil A cow @ the Ted doing the chop. It’s inspirational in a tacky kind of way.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
The chop isnt any more annoying the "the wave"
IF you want to talk about a dumb played out cheer, its the wave. And it seems like a tradition now at Braves games for some a$$hole in the outfield during about the 6th inning to stand up and down 10 times before enough retards start doing it. Real fans want to watch the game, not focus on the right time to stand up and then miss action in a game because people stand up in front of them for no reason. I absolutely detest the wave. /end diatribe
You wanna get high? Don't forget to bring a towel!
I agree :-)
My comment right above ya …. hehe
Hey, it’s gotta be better than the dang "Wave"
Now, if we want to discuss something stupid and annoying…there ya go. :-)
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
The chop is way better than the wave because the wave just distracts from the game to the point that you can miss what’s happening. The chop gets fans focused on the game.
by styraciflua on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen.
I’ve been to a game in which The Wave very well may have caused the home team to lose.
For some odd reason, Rangers fans started up the wave in the top of the 7th, with their own pitcher on the mound. Though they were already down 3-1, they were still in it.
Oganda (still a reliever at the time) gave up a single, and they brought in Darren Oliver. During his warmup, the wave got started. Oliver was clearly irritated by the wave, especially as it passed by home plate, and promptly gave up two singles and a double to make it 5-1. Another run ended up scoring on a sac fly to essentially put it out of reach.
The Rangers have come out and told their fans not to do the wave anymore. They first went public with this message last season, about a week or two after the game I spoke of, but have continued to spread the “no wave” message this season and their fans still aren’t happy about it.
I say good riddance.
Fwiw, I’ve also seen the Rockies blow a game due to the wave in similar fashion, but I can’t put a date on it. The Rockies fanatics also hate the wave en masse, from all I’ve heard, but can’t get the casual fans to give it up.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
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