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Braves Go to Extras Again, But Take Game Two 4-1.

If the first two games of this series are indicative of the rest of this season's NL East battle, this race will be tight the whole way. For the second time in as many games, the Braves and Phillies required extras to determine a victor. Fortunately, this time, it was the Bravos that took a 4-1 win in eleven frames.

Just like last night, the two starters threw great games. For Hanson, a long at bat by none other than Cliff Lee ended with a ball in the seats that served as the only run that he let cross the plate. Cliff Lee truly did look like a professional hitter at the plate when he crushed the tenth pitch of his third inning at-bat into the right center field seats to put the Phillies up 1-0.

Star-divide

 

Dan Uggla crushed his own solo shot in the fifth to tie the game up at 1-1. This was Uggla's third dinger in five games; and despite falling victim to the belief a time or two before, it really does look like he could be turning the corner. After nine innings the score was still tied and when Juan Perez came in to pitch the tenth for the Phillies, Braves fans everywhere were hoping for some redemption after last night's nine pitch, three strikeout inning. It wasn't happening in the tenth, though. The Braves had to wait until the eleventh.

After Eric "Big Damage" Hinske drew a leadoff walk from Brian Stutes, he was pulled for pinch-runner Wilkin Ramirez. Schafer bunted him over and Alex Gonzalez capitalized on a second chance to drive in a run. Ryan Howard dropped a foul pop which allowed Gonzo to drive in Ramirez with a single to take a 2-1 lead. McCann followed up with a homer to make it a safe 4-1 lead. Kimbrel then came on to do his thing, extending the rookie pre-break saves record to 28.

The Braves go for the series win tomorrow when Derek Lowe faces off against Cole Hamels.

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Go Braves!!

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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 9, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Jul 9, 2011 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wonder if Fredi has learned this yet.

by drumzalicious on Jul 9, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don’t you know that you aren’t allowed to complain about Fredi after a win?

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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mac's huge smile

after his HR swing would have been a better Pic to use :P

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

McCann...

Through 4 and 3/4 at-bats…terrible day

Through 5 at-bats…great day!!!!

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by Richie Grogan on Jul 9, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this pic

Happy for Gonzo. He’s been having a hard time of it w/the bat. Glad to see him contribute w/the stick.

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by adc62 on Jul 9, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

It was great to see him knock in the go-ahead run.

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by HEYJUDE on Jul 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The power

Of the Mighty Sea Bass!

….
…..
Boom….

"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Jul 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And theirs

Is not, at least 2-3 years down the line it isn’t.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 9, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I came into this recap alone to post the exact same thing. Oh, and our two guys make $870,000 this year. Halladay and Lee are making $31M, and that’s with Lee on a discount.

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by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and starting what next year?

they will make a combined 45,000,000

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes me giggle

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no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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by abraves257 on Jul 9, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was wrong starting next year they make

41.5 mil, then 45 mil in 2013

btw Howard makes 20 mil LOL

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

but money = wins

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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by abraves257 on Jul 9, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

~$41M combined, and you add in Hamels, who’s about to get a ridiculous amount of money at his fourth arbitration hearing, Blanton making $10.5 and then probably a $2M buyout of Oswalt’s final year.

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by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol yeah they lose Ibanez contract

and think they get some relief, but no raises to Lee and Hamels, also if they want to resign Madson that will cost a lil $

Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.

by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Good Phight is probably skewering Stutes...

the way we skewered Proctor last night.

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

except

stutes has been good and dependable all year, only thing Proctor has been dependable to do is blow the game

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except they had already used their “closer”. Last night was more about the bad situation Proctor was put in with two better relievers wasting away in the pen (its also about why is he even on the roster with C-Mart in AAA). You can’t fault a guy for being what he is.

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question

Why didn’t we use Hudson last night? It’ not like we were gonna mess up his next start

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by Richie Grogan on Jul 9, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson did throw a lot in his last start and you certainly don’t want to get him injured so I’m not prepared to leap that far. No Cory or Craig before Proctor was the truly baffling thing.

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, he could make a decent relief appearance that would be about 33% (at the most) of his average start. That is a drop in the bucket, and considering that Huddy is very much able to start on 4 days rest, a relief start wouldn’t hurt him much.

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by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’ll be available tomorrow. I bet Fredi would still use Proctor first though…

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too lazy

only had 450 comments in their game thread today

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by Richie Grogan on Jul 9, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really??!!

We go three or four times that on a daily basis!

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

TGP

I’m fairly sure… isn’t the main Phillies blog on the internet.
I consider TC to be that… so comparing the comments isn’t really going to show much.

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by SuperNewb on Jul 10, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, he’s young…he’s gonna make mistakes like that every now and then….we can’t get too upset with the kid when he is supposed to be in AAA and he is now pitching as the 4th string set-up man

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by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable how evenly matched these two teams are

"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G

by bighop on Jul 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s really unbelievable is that we are matching their top 3 with our middle 3.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that unbelievable when you look at the lineup the Phillies are putting out there. Victorino being out is pretty painful.

by philsandthrills on Jul 9, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

As is not having Prado. We also didn’t have Chipper today either. Injuries are part of the game.

by dlkinser86 on Jul 9, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. I’m just saying, Victorino has been about half of our offense all season. Without him, there’s not much of a threat, especially against lefties.

by philsandthrills on Jul 9, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying, but Rollins, Utley, Howard, Ibanez, are all pretty threatening in the lineup. And Uggla and Heyward have been seriously underachieving along with Gonzo being a black hole and injuries to Prado and Chipper there is really no reason to say that not having one player would be that huge of an impact.

And anyway, Braves pitching has been dominant this series (keeping step with Phillies pitching) so assuming that the presence of Victorino would have created even a single run is a big assumption.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the fairest way to put it is

Neither team has been playing to its potential, due to a mix of injuries and uncharacteristically bad performances. They’re still the best teams in the NL, and they play each other really hard. Let’s just sit back and enjoy the rivalry.

by SS451 on Jul 9, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I was really excited before this series and I haven’t been disappointed as they were easily the most intense games thus far of the season for me.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rollins: .331 wOBA
Utley: .369 wOBA
Howard:.358 wOBA
Ibanez(???): .304 wOBA
Victorino: .398 wOBA

by philsandthrills on Jul 9, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

 I think the Phillies are a much better team than to totally rely on one player like Victorino. Though Victorino has done well, both Braves starter’s have been righties and Victorino’s right/left splits would mean that his impact in this game would already have been minimized.

Sure he is good, but he isn’t the entire team and you can’t assume he would change the entire course of a game against dominant pitching.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they haven’t totally relied on him, but it’s been pretty close to it. At the very least, he’s been our best offensive player by a long shot.

by philsandthrills on Jul 9, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the bull pen injuries are the biggest difference. Both teams have excellent starting pitching and offenses that sputter from time to time each missing 2 of their best hitters…however, if the Braves were playing this series without Kimbrel, Venters, and O’Flaherty ala Lidge, Madson, and Contreras would you really have confidence in Proctor and Sherrill setting up Linebrink? Scratch that, I forgot about Moylan…but you get the point. Like I said after last night’s game…this series would only really matter if one team swept and did so convincingly, and that possibility ended today

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with that.

Without a sweep in either direction. The result of this series has a pretty low impact on the big picture.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am always amazed at this idea

when wins and losses are really like drips of water. Every one counts, and adds to the whole.
The area where I agree is with momentum.
At this point, it very much matters who wins this next game. Impact on the big picture? You are right when you say it is less so now. But like in basketball, it is an important event when one team pulls ahead of the other. And the Braves are closing in on the Phils. And that matters.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they were 7 games up last year on July 22nd…how a team plays down the stretch is really all that matters and the only thing that can help with that is something that builds momentum….a la a sweep of a rival team. Yes, every game is important, each counts the same, blah blah blah…in reality, players don’t think that way.

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea the bullpen injuries are a big impact, but one that is minimized by the ability of Philly starters to consistently go 8. You have 3 good guys (Perez, Stutes, and Bastardo) that should have easily been able to handle the 9th (and maybe the 8th) for the whole series but the lack of scoring necessitated extra innings. It was the extra innings that made the injured Philly pen a big impact.

I think that the series doesn’t decide anything of course. It isn’t even the ASB yet, however with two great games in the books there is an increasing tension that will carry over throughout the year so I wouldn’t call it insignificant.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, Perez isn’t any good.

by philsandthrills on Jul 9, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to the Braves hitters….

I really don’t know what to make of his delivery though. He hardly moves forward and seems constantly off-balance. Dunno how athletic he is but he seems to invite a soft bunt to his side.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

easy on Perez, he came out of nowhere. I may be president of his fan club right now, but it may be short lived. He isn’t a 32 year old journeyman for nothing…maybe he is the Jose Bautista of relief pitchers, but you’ll have to excuse my skepticism.

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perez's WHIP is horrid...

When he throws I almost think he’s in front of one of those kids games that radar the speed of your pitch…calling it inefficient would be kind.

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but the ability of Philly starters to go late in games is one that helps pick up the slack left by a hurting bullpen.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing about bullpen arms is that you can do very little and change the result a whole lot. If you tweak a delivery or a dominant pitch just a little bit you can go from journeyman to good MLer.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 10, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Ibanez is only really threatening against Proctor but then again who isn’t?

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daniel Radcliffe?

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would bet the farm on The Chosen One in that matchup

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

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by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd not call any of Hamels, Lee, or Halladay the third best pitcher on the team

that said, our no. 5 went against their no. 1 in Halladay yesterday, and our no. 2s locked up today.

As long as we can get to their bullpen, we should play them well

by willlinn on Jul 9, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Beachy our 5?

You could argue that he’s our 4th, with Lowe being the number 5.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheeeeeeeeeit

I’d call Beachy our #3, probably. #2 if you’re sabermetrically-inclined (sorry, JJ!).

Anyway, quite apart from arbitrary ordinal rankings, the point is: he’s really good! I felt pretty good about giving him the ball against Halladay.

by SS451 on Jul 9, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beachy is definitely our #4. I see it as

Hanson
J.J.
Hudson
Beachy
Lowe

Down the stretch though Beachy might get skipped to keep his innings from getting crazy in his rookie year

by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 2:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea but JJ and Huddy (especially with his ground ball rate in such a hitter’s park) not starting we definitely don’t have our playoff rotation in. But in a playoff series the Phils are almost automatically going to start Halladay-Lee-Hamels.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another nail-biter in Extras, nice to be Victorious today :-)

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by NCChopper on Jul 9, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The future is murky on this one... :(

Cole Hamels and his miniscule WHIP are going to make a statement. If we get to the bullpen, there’s a chance… If their offense doesn’t wake up, there’s a chance… Hopefully, it will be just like the other two games where it’s close until the winner wins…

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by Klemson Krash on Jul 10, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do we have to hear about how we already got 10K years ago because of something that happened during Reconstruction??

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is just what I am thinking

I think the dude thrives on pressure. Remember him last September?

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great win!

 I’m gonna die ten years earlier because of it. Definatly think these are the two best teams in baseball.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I love how angry the people at TGP get when we talk about “Class.” It’s like the garlic to their undead evil.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Those guys crack me up.

 They have a compelling 50/50 mix of self loathing and arrogance.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of them are almost decent human beings that are only held back by the huge personality flaw of being a Phillies fan.

I personally think that they are seriously butt-sore over the 90s still…

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the same team sat on my face for 14 years, I’d hold a grudge.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d also have very foul breath, to boot.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Jul 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was at a party with a phillies fan last night

Besides the fact that he was intolerable to talk to about the game he said “you guys had the 90s, we have the 2000s”. I didn’t have the heart to tell him it was the 2010s.

by 5280point on Jul 9, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t want something like counting to get in the way of arrogance huh?

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I just let him have it so I could move on.

by 5280point on Jul 9, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have

Phils are still nowhere near 14. I gave him a bit of slack because, poor soul, he’s from philly and had to spend a bit of time trying to explain to other party-goers why philadelphia sports fans aren’t all the worst. He also let his impending “bandwagon” argument go the minute I mentioned i was from Atlanta and remember the terrible 80s (82 excepted). But yes, there are some sore phils fans out there.

by 5280point on Jul 9, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant, like, the millenium!

As in, the Braves won’t win another division title until the year 3000.

by SS451 on Jul 9, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odds of this happening to anyone but the Cubs are statistically impossible.

by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Jul 10, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

25% Self-Loathing, 25% Pure Narcissism, 30% Schadenfreude, 20% arrogance.

But the arrogance has been (deservedly) growing over the last few years, yet the nothing else seems to be declining, so I’m not quite sure how-

by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Jul 10, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank god….

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

If Prado took any longer, Fredi would probably have Proctor batting second.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

schafer however...

will remain in the leadoff spot, which for whatever reason doesn’t bother me as much. Perhaps it’s that when he comes up I still have one tiny bit of hope.

by cirela20 on Jul 9, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafers skill set (minus obp), and future all point to being a leadoff hitter. Sea Bass has no buisness EVER being a number 2 hitter.

by Frozen Fan on Jul 9, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except OBP is THE leadoff skill. He’s a below 300 OBP in AAA even. Also, speed is mostly wasted at the top of the order. (see http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by)

by pbrfan on Jul 9, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link is broken

And your point fails the common sense test, too.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant about the speed. I DO think OBP is important, and I wish Schafer’s would improve.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking at the link, it makes sense because you would assume that the need to manufacture runs would be less at the top part of the order, whereas with sparse hitting speed is more important in the bottom part of the order.

Still doesn’t make speed in the lead-off spot irrelevant.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct. Speed is not irrelevant. I said it is ‘mostly wasted.’ Really, speed is good as long as that speedy runner is not stealing bases, but rather is using the speed to go 1st to 3rd or 1st to home. If they are using speed to steal bases, they are putting outs at risk unnecessarily.

by pbrfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, speed is a good thing. You’d like ALL of your players to be fast, in addition to being mashers, of course.

All else being equal, if you have two guys who have the exact same batting line, same OBP/SLG, but one of them can steal bases…..then you should put the faster guy lower in the order, in order to optimize the opportunities for scoring that the weaker hitters have. The other guy is going to get more opportunities to score because he has really good hitters hitting behind him.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

The reason why speed is wasted at the top of the lineup is that an extra base hit will score an average runner from first. Stealing bases ahead of power hitters puts valuable outs at risk. It is better to risk those outs in front of singles hitters at the bottom of the order, because a single will score a runner on 2nd.

by pbrfan on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say that it is “wasted” but I understand your point.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read it

All things considered it has some good points. I heartily agree that OBP should be king in the leadoff position. And because that is the case, I would agree that if Schafer cannot get it together soon to consistently get on base, he should be moved to a much lower position, like sixth, as the post said.
I see what is meant now about power hitters getting the leadoff guys in, so speed shouldn’t matter so much.
That all being said, it still seems to me that having a speed guy on base rattles the pitcher, so the next people in the lineup get better pitches. I don’t know if that is total BS, or can be measured (I would think it could, like does a pitcher give up more hits when speed gut is on base), but it mildly refutes the argument.
I still agree that OBP is paramount.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to rock the world of the other teams. I am looking forward to the second half of baseball.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was fun

Particularly after Sea Bass’s go ahead hit and the booing of Howard that follows. A couple people warn/threaten me after Mac’s dinger; that brought a smile to my face.

Really hope that we can make a statement (plus go up in our season matchup by 2 games) with a win tomorrow. I can remember one or two great DLowe outing against the Phillies.

by LEastCoastBears on Jul 9, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This...is a beautiful thing.
This was Uggla’s third dinger in five games;

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by adc62 on Jul 9, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man

you aren’t kidding. A VERY beautiful thing.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, he’s coming around. You can’t keep down a player who hustles like he does. The man just plain cares, hence why I am still a huge fan of his despite his horrid numbers.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You gotta give Uggla his respect for how he’s handled this. Most players wouldn’t have.

by Broccoman on Jul 10, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Uggla hasn’t complained, hasn’t made excuses, and busts his butt both on and off the field.

As we’ve discussed, in a recent radio interview he even admitted he’d boo himself if he could (meaning he’s not taking any boo-birds personally).

I’m rooting for the guy, and I truly believe he’s on an uptick.

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by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 3 strike-outs aren’t inspiring, but it was against very tough pitching.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will take three strikeouts, when accompanied by a HR.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea me too.

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 9, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

especially when on 2 of them he worked the count really well

and were just on amazing pitches by Lee, i mean that changeup was perfect, the 3rd one not so much was kind of a bs call

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but I’m pretty sure he has walked a couple of times also

by Braves24 on Jul 9, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but he’s basically been Dan Uggla this month; Homers, walks, strikeouts, with a few base hits mixed in here and there.

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by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This...

Dan Uggla’s made a career out of timely hits and killing mistake pitches.

We don’t need him to hit .330; we need him to hit clutch homers, etc. (like yesterday).

He’s doing this much more frequently.

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by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am just happy that Kimbrel got into the game before we lost

I’ll not comment on the stupidness of the fact that George Sherrill was pitching with the bases loaded in a situation where the game could have ended, while Kimbrel pitched with a cushy three run lead.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If we had pitched Kimbrel in that position

he would have been pinch hit for in the 11th. Who would you want to close the game out?

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Closing a game out with a 3 run lead is 10x easier than a extra inning where 1 run scored loses the game. We used our best reliever in the easiest situation in the ballgame. People really don’t understand this?

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thisx1000

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a game against a team like this, wouldn’t we expect just a one run lead? Does that make a difference, or would you think Kimbrel should still be used in that situation?

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

“You don’t save a pitcher for tomorrow. Tomorrow it may rain.”

-Leo Durocher

Extra innings are the same way. If a reliever is available (that is, he hasn’t pitched in three straight games, and he’s healthy) then you use him if he’s your best guy. You might end up scoring 10 runs in the top half of an inning, in which case you don’t need to worry about saving the win. You need to worry about surviving while the score is tied for as long as possible-especially if you have a better bullpen than the opposition. Letting the Phillies see Scott Proctor while we still had Kimbrel and they were running out of quality options was an atrocious, disastrous, idiotic move. Doing the same thing a day later with George Sherrill is 99% as dumb.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair..

Kimbrel had worked 4 of the last 6 nights…so I would say he had been a little overworked

by ottie on Jul 9, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He had last night off – for some inexplicable reason.

He also was used in another game earlier this week with a 3 or 4 run lead. Why?

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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad thing is, last night he wasn’t even off, since I’m sure he was warming up in the top of the 9th and 10th innings.

Besides, the “little bit overworked” comment is just speculation. Either Kimbrel was available or he wasn’t. And he clearly was.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 10, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The choice was not Prcotor or Kimbrel. That pair is more a duality than the are competitive. That is like saying you want some sort of ambiance but you can’t decide between pitch black and blinding lights.

I like the idea of putting Kimbrel in only when a win is possible just to minimize his workload. But you have to stay competitive in the game by putting good arms out there in order to give your team a real chance to stay in the game, but in no way should that ever be Scott Proctor (not that anyone here didn’t already know that.)

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 10, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the dilemma as I see it as well.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 10, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did they outlaw double-switches?

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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get out of here with your stupid “National League-style Baseball” and your “Pitchers bat” and your “Games should last less than 5 hours.”

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention pitching against multiple righties in a high leverage situation.

by Ultada on Jul 9, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good baseball

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no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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by abraves257 on Jul 9, 2011 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

That's Proctorless baseball

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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 9, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those things go together perfectly

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just watched the highlights

I don’t get to see any games. I loved that way that Freeman knew to just come off the bag when Lugo threw it wide, and then still step back onto the bag before the runner got there. It speaks volumes that the guy has good “baseball sense”. I know the thinking is that 1st base is the least demanding position, and I agree, but having a really good fielding 1st baseman, especially when it comes to catching the ball from the other infielders, will prove an invaluable asset for a long time to come. I feel real good about Freeman.

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

OT

really love Freeman’s beard, I hate to say this but it makes him a lot less ugly

Ducks

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I was saying the other day that it really calms the whole Peeping Tom/Cocaine Addict look he had going for him in Spring Training.

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by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Jul 9, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he would grow a moustache

The sudden appearance of three dozen players around the league who look like Abe Lincoln and/or the father in Witness is a little odd.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least he doesn't have the true chinstrap going.

That would be pitiful.

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're all wimpy

In comparison to Tommy Hanson: BARBAROSSA!!!

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that we need ten of TC’s finest to spell that out on their chests for his next home start

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus three

Need the exclaimation points, too.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

When do fans ever include those lol

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're starting a new tradition.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Take pics for us

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not "we"

Like me and my friends, “we” like anybody who lives down there and is looking to get out in front on a cool, new nickname.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well damn

someone has to get off their butts and do it

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Hamilton just hit a walk off HR for Texas to beat Oakland

Awesome. Can’t imagine what that guy has been through this week. Big fan of his and the Rangers

by wpf3211 on Jul 9, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone see the look of joy upon Jeter's face

upon meeting the fan who gave him the ball back?

he couldn’t care less. What a tool…

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 9, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

What did they pay that guy for the ball?

by hoyabinx on Jul 9, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

tickets for the rest of season

and he got to meet Jeter, funny thing is if he waited he could have easily got 6 figures

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by austinhb on Jul 9, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would continue to own it and just rent it out to Cooperstown. Oh, and I would hire a really good lawyer to draw up the paperwork.

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard Gloria needs a job....

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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT

by Klemson Krash on Jul 10, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They bought him off with 4 suite tickets for all remaining home games this year.

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy was willing to give the ball away for free. If true (and I believe it is) class act.

I got nothing against Jeter either.

by Broccoman on Jul 10, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

This...

I’ve had zero issue with Jeter over his career, and I see not need to make fun of the fan. Class act.

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by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

THAT...

Is the face of Major League Baseball. Speak softly or ESPN thugs will be knocking on your door before you know it…

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what's worse

The completely unenthusiastic why am I doing this look on Jeter’s face or the fact that he has a shirt on that reads “DJ3K”

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s kind of like the guy who wears the T-shirt of the band at the concert…

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA! so true

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 9, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT GUY IS EVERYWHERE

How does he make so much time to go to so many concerts?

by hoyabinx on Jul 9, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think DJ3K...

…is a marketing thing for his Turn2 charity.

by FlyDeltaJets on Jul 9, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

so does that somehow make it more original or less lame?

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does agreeing with a Philly fan

cost me a man card? Cuz here you go.

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow what a douche to wear his own t-shirt…

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 10, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my.

Kenshin Kawakami gave up 8 ER in 4 innings against Mobile…

by TBuzz on Jul 9, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The man CAN’T be actually trying. Why would he?

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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Professionalism? Pride?

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pride in what?

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Himself.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he has any left. Not after what’s happened in the last 2 years.

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I take no joy in this situation. I know he had real skills and I wanted it to work out for him.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did too.

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this juncture I think just cutting him would be fine. I would gladly have us pay for him to join someone else’s organization and litter it with XBHs and ERs…

by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 12:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that's what he wants...

he’ll go to the phillies and turn it back on and dominate us at every turn…. let’s hold him until his contract runs out… then he can do what he wants. :-)

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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT

by Klemson Krash on Jul 10, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m baffled by this as well. There is no way he could be getting demolished this bad in AA. I’m pretty sure the FO knows they will never get anything for him and they should just release the guy. I’m sure he is no where in their plans for this year pitching wise.

by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 2:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Proctor asked for the game tape

Wanted to pick up a few pointers.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what does this mean?

As awful a season as Dan Uggla has had, when he hit his HR today he was leading the team with 15

by mrmadrew on Jul 9, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Not exactly sure what it means

but the fact that Dan is heating up is sooo good for the Braves!

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by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 9, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

His overall numbers

still look an awful lot like McGwire’s 2001 stats

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Even with his low BA, the steroid-fueled McGwire still managed over an .800 OPS that year

by DreamWithinADream on Jul 10, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is true

Was simply glancing at the low BA and many HRs

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-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good news...

A bad Dan Uggla leads our team in runs scored and homers. Just imagine what a normal Dan Uggla can do for us in the 2nd half. (I realize runs scored are mostly product of other hitters…still.)

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by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

For all the talk of Philly phans being the supposedly "best fans in baseball"...

they sure as hell emptied out of that stadium like cowards after the Braves took the lead in the 11th.

by Brvsball on Jul 10, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh

That’s reaching for something to hate on. Any other fans would’ve done the same thing. NYY, BOS, CHC, ATL fans included

"You come at the king, you best not miss."

by a hooter's baby on Jul 10, 2011 12:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so it’s “the best fans in baseball who happen to be realistic” then?

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

After watching the Phillies happily separate the visiting team from a comfortable lead late in ball games, I would think more would have stayed.

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Priorities, dude

Beer to be drunk, wives to be beaten, arteries to be clogged. The march of time stops for no 11th inning.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

you must be thinking of the 07 to 09 versions…this team doesn’t quite have that same come back prowess

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fine by me.

I just have a very clear memory of that game against LA, where Casey Blake and Broxton gave away the game.

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Phils have a Broxton voodoo doll, so that one doesn’t count

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to hit like 44 straight bullseyes to win that one.
the Phils have a Broxton voodoo doll,

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT

But every time I see Melky’s line this year it makes me sick:

.294 .333 .458

It’s not great…but it’s a hell of a lot better than what we got from him last year…

"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice

by SouthernPanther on Jul 10, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Someone needs to ask him what the otherwise odious Milo Hamilton asked Berkman, namely why did you pick this year to stop eating a dozen boxes of Milk Duds every day?

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A .791 OPS would rank him 3rd on out team amongst regular starters…if you can believe it.

by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Him AND Escobar. Crap!

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 10, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's no't start that again.

That guy’s game is not worth the attendant headaches.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken.

Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.

by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 10, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The hurtful takeaway in that situation

Isn’t that we don’t have Yunel anymore. I think he was destined to wear out his welcome here, even if his game hadn’t gone into eclipse the first half of last year.

The really terrible thing is that we chose him over Andrus. I would have done the same thing at the time but I’m just a dumbass with a keyboard. Real professionals are supposed to be better judges than someone like me.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no...

Maybe Justin will somehow ignore this…

by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to belabor the point.

Hard as that might be to believe.

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow lol that was hilarious

by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 2:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahah

Green this

"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your stash of potato chips?" -Bronn

by kauf67 on Jul 10, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

done.

Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT

by Klemson Krash on Jul 10, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quote of the day...

Hand’s down.

Awesome.

"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.

by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not quote...comment...whatever.

"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.

by Jman781 on Jul 10, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. I should have known better than to turn Sportscenter on at the top of the hour…

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Are they talking about the brawl still?

or did something bigger happen in the northeast?

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not as far as I’m concerned…

My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.

by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

ESPN is just getting revenge on TBS and Ted Turner for keeping the Braves in the national spotlight for so many years

You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02

no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster

"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."

by abraves257 on Jul 10, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the Der-ek Jeeeee-ter Showwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 10, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just thankful he isn’t playing in the All Star game…we’ll still hear about it, but it won’t be a half hour pregame special

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good win tonight. This series so far has been super intense like the play offs and I love it.

However can anyone tell me why we sent Martinez down to get regular work only to bring Gearrin up to rot in the pen?

by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 2:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Just want to point something out... My predictive powers are still well in tact....

Braves will win today. You can all go drink now. :-) (water or wine or beer or whatever your pleasure.
by Klemson Krash on Jul 9, 2011 2:43 PM PDT

A wise man wrote that in about the 6-7th inning… I don’t know why y’all doubted it would happen. Extra innings or not.. this was a beautiful win by our Bravos. The bullpen showed their strengths, the hittting provided a few clutch moments… McCann has to be one of the clutchiest hitters in the league this year… (it does mean something) And as much as losing Chipper will suck, I’m excited to get Prado back in there and have a legit 1-2 punch… Schafer will see much better pitches hitting in front of Prado as opposed to the black hole of offense…

Glad we pulled this one out.

Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT

by Klemson Krash on Jul 10, 2011 3:41 AM EDT reply actions  

What a cesspool of humanity the city of Philadelphia is…

"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."

by GumpBrave on Jul 10, 2011 3:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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