Atlanta Braves Acquire Michael Bourn
by gondeee on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
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It may have taken until hours before the trade deadline, but the Atlanta Braves have acquired the piece they needed in the form of Astros center fielder Michael Bourn. Ken Rosenthal tweets that the deal is done, and an announcement will be forthcoming. Atlanta will send four minor leaguers to the Astros.
According to Jayson Stark, the four minor leaguers the Braves traded are LHP Brett Oberholtzer, CF Jordan Schafer, RHP Paul Clemens, and RHP Juan Abreu. The Braves just got a great player in Bourn without having to give up any of their top five pitching prospects. Oberholtzer is the gem here, but projects as nothing more than a mid-rotation starter. Clemens projects as mid-to-back of the rotation. Abreu is a good relief arm, and we all know what Schafer can and cannot do.
Oberholtzer is the top-rated prospect, and ranked 7th on the Talking Chop mid-season top-25. Clemens ranked 10th, and Abreu ranked 23rd. This is what Scouting The Sally had to say about the prospects in the deal: "had Oberholtzer and Clemens pegged as sell high's. Spoke to scout who said Braves pumping Ober. for deal." The Astros were selling Bourn at the apex of his value, so it's fitting that the Braves did the same for the prospects they dealt.
Bourn is under team control through next season, so this is not a rental, the Braves have acquired a leadoff man for this year and next. A true leadoff man is something the Braves have been lacking for a while, and they got one of the best in the game in Bourn.
This is a great trade for the Braves!
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jaysonst Jayson Stark
by CapitolAvenue
#Braves agree on deal w #Astros for Michael Bourn. Hou gets J Schafer, lhp Brett Oberholtzer, rhp Paul Clemens & rhp Juan Abreu. #trades
WE RIPPED THEM OFF
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
Schafer and 2 of the 4 Donkeyherders…thats pretty awesome. Good job FW in keeping our Horsemen intact!
How you received no laughs for this with the Four Horsemen of the Pitchpocalypse jokes flying around is incredible, here’s props
I wouldn’t say ripped them off…
This looks like a good deal for both sides. We give up two pitchers (oberholtzer and Clemens) with ML potential just not if they are still with the braves. They get a player (Schafer) who has the untapped potential to be as good as bourn. And a potentially solid reliever in abreu. All guys who can contribute to a rebuilding Astros but have little value to the braves
"[Insert Quotation Here]"
by J-hey-maker on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's what i'm saying though
clemens and ober where probably never going to make it to ATL rotaton anyways. Schaf has struggled his whole career with the braves, and abreu is an edge relief prospect.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Commence Operation Blackbrier!
Minor or Delgado only please…
see above
Clemens, Oberholtzer, Schaf, Abreu
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
excited
But I hope we didn’t give up Bethancourt,I like him.
by saipol on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
kept him
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really…solid package for the Stros.
We fill this hole with foam and your man will float right up. I don't think that will work. Me neither, but I have a truck full of foam and six kids to feed, come on man, I need this. What about lowering a rope. A rope made of foam?
by bwellnjonesco on Jul 31, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
it's solid
but every one of those players was expendable
Hanging onto minor, delgado, viz, and teheran and still getting the perfect fit, that’s huge
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
shitty package
just like your pants
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
depends on how oberholtzer pans out
i think schafer is a langerhans, so not a loss. Clemens, Ober are the keys, both could turn out solid, especially oberholtzer, but yeah with Minor and Gilmartin he’s not much of a loss.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Now
Lets get Infante and a righ handed reliever to help O’Ventbrel out! I wouldn’t be mad if Wren still decided to go after Willingham or Ludwick either.
4 guys? I hope we don't live to regret this.
If he’s a Brave, I’ll root for him.
I just hope he lives up to all the pining away for him I’ve read here for weeks.
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
Id rather give up those 4
Than just one of our top 4 pitchers.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Agreed!
The fact we kept the 4HORSEMEN and got our man is beyond huge! None of those we gave up were going to be a main cog in the major league club. Schafer has a large upside but the question is when will that EVER be realized.
I’d love to lock him up for another couple years at the end of his contract if we haven’t produced a farm raised player to take his place.
We got a real leadoff man… Yes!
by Gjmoody on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Schafer, Oberholtzer, Clemens, Abreu
by wpf3211 on Jul 31, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
4 guys seems extreme but it's none of the big guns
Good luck to Jordan and the rest of the guys
by wpf3211 on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Looks like a great deal from us. We had to pay for him but we didn’t get close to our top tier of prospects which is always huge.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
agreed
our pitching depth is so deep that we didn’t have to touch any of our big guns, and still landed a star player
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Ed Wade just got raped.
I actually think Oberholtzer has a chance to be very good. But the fact we didn’t have to anyone from the big 4 is huge. I never doubted Frank Wren
I like Clemens too, very solid pitcher.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Ober and Clems are good prospects
to me Schafer and Abreu are nothing. It’s definitly a good deal for us.
No he didnt, we traded for fair market value
we sold high on some of our second tier prospects who are both having good seasons in AA
This is a good trade for both teams Schafer has yet to reach his potential and I really like the kid and think he is going to be very special one day and Wren really sold the Stros on our second tier pitching prospects
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm sad to see Schafer go.
I think he would have been a great CF for us in time. But I guess we’ll just have to watch and see if he will for the Astros. He better watch that hill and damn flag pole, it’s worse then hitting Heyward at full speed.
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
whose idea was it to put a hill out there in CF?
so stupid
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just about to post something similar
He was never that great for us but i kind of always liked him for some reason. Hope he does well for the astros
I liked what Schafer represented more than anything else, leadoff CF w speed, and I see Bourn as the finished product of Schafer...
but all is not lost, because….
none of #braves big 4 pitchers is involved. #astros sending some $ to braves in 4 for 1 trade for bourn.
We also got CASH in the deal
Nothing is worse than hitting Heyward at full speed... ask Chuck Norris
(if only Jason could get back to his 2010 form, so I could continue to make 2010-style posts about him)
I really miss those posts...
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You are not in the minority I’m really going to miss the kid
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we all appreciate what Schafer did
I liked watching him play and I hope the best for him. But, frankly, Bourn gives us the same speed and also a much higher OBP. He’s got all of Schafer’s positives and doesn’t have his negatives.
1950 NCAA Co-National Champions
Except that he's only under control for less than two years.
I hope we didn’t just give up our CF of the future for a long term rental.
I am literally sick with this deal... more thoughts below...
Jordan Schafer is what Michael Bourn was when the Phillies traded Bourn to the Stros. We will regret this in three years.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And Shafer has some power potential.
The Jordan part is tough.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Dude, Jordan’s ceiling is what Bourn is right now.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he's not
Worse defensively, worse baserunner, worse hitter.
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None of the 4 were in our pre-season top 11 on BP
Oberholtzer was #12, and he was the only one in the Top 20.
No, he lost official prospect status...
…and rookie status back in 2009.
It gets better
@SI_JonHeyman
Jon Heyman none of #braves big 4 pitchers is involved. #astros sending some $ to braves in 4 for 1 trade for bourn.
Great trade
All the Wren haters can suck it. Got the man we needed and didn’t give up our top prospects. Lets get Infante and another reliever and we will be set!
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Strong trade for the Braves; they get Bourn without giving up any top prospects. #trades
Buster Olney agrees
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
Great deal!
This isn’t a complete fleece deal like Uggla. I am with the rest of you, let’s go get Imhotep back and a fresh arm and start rolling!
Great job Frank and the front office!
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bourn wasn’t my first choice, but give Wren a nod for knowing he needed to make a splash and going for the right guy for him and his needs.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
so glad we finally looked past
“right handed bat”
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The injury to McLouth definitely pushed CF over RH bat in terms of priorities.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I feel like without the Mcclouth injury
we don’t go hard after this deal
FW was masterful in driving up the price on the Phillies for Pence...
While getting Bourn for a relative bargain for us.
by TBuzz on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As an OF, I think Bourn is at least a 1-win improvement over Pence. As a CF, he’s worth at least two additional wins. Wren gave up substantially less than Amaro did for Pence, and he got a better player!
I love this team.
by jeffblauser on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If this deal work out
Frank Wren must read the Art of War or something. This guy is really devious driving the Pence Beltran price to get your biggest enemies to take it from you. And I fully believe Philly wanted Pence more and more when they thought we wanted him. This might just be the best trade yet!
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Frank Wren haters, meet his middle finger.
Fuck yeah.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
haha this
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WRITTEN APOLOGY FROM EVERY HATER
No really, I would.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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I never doubted Wren
I always thought he’d make no trade at all before trading one of the big 3. Which I was prepping myself to be ok with. I’m glad we got Bourn but sad to see Jordan go. I just don’t understand why Ed Wade has a higher price for 28 other teams and the Phills get in at the bargain basement
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
from wikipedia, so take it fwiw... guess he still has a soft spot for his old team
Wade started his baseball career in 1977 as an intern in the Phillies public relations department……
May 5, 1989, he rejoined the Phillies as assistant to the general manager. In 1995, he was promoted to assistant general manager, and he served in that role until assuming the general manager duties for Philadelphia in 1998.
But
Phils fired him so you’d think he’d try to highball them on every trade
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Had a felling some lazy schmuck of a loser would like this
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As someone sitting on the toilet with no toilet paper, this news made my morning!
We fill this hole with foam and your man will float right up. I don't think that will work. Me neither, but I have a truck full of foam and six kids to feed, come on man, I need this. What about lowering a rope. A rope made of foam?
by bwellnjonesco on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just yelled "fuck yes!"at work!
Probably gonna get written up but I don’t care!
And that package? Wren fleeced them. Ab-so-lute-ly fleeced them.
Wren the magician does it again. AND we keep all our top prospects. Sucks to be you, Philly.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
I’m really sad to see Schafer go but overall this is a very good trade. I love how this stabilizes our lineup and doesn’t sacrifice any defense in center.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wish...
we could have gotten him on time to play today, but oh well.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
this must be a let down for stros fans who went to bed dreaming of minor and delgado
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
probably
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Most likely yea
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Check out this super sexy lineup
1. Bourn
2. Prado
3. Freeman
4. Uggla
5. Ross
6. Heyward
7. Hinske
8. Gonzalez
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
i'm guessing fredi will flip flop ske and jhey
that’s what he did last night
but the front end looks SEXY
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea he might go for the easy L/R/ split in 5-7, but I like the way that one flows.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
scary
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
MOTHER OF GOD….
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Pastor-
nicky
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Even sexier
Bourn
Prado
Jones
McCann
Freemann
Uggla
Heyward
Gonzalez
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i love 2 hitters at the top like that
Not just only guys.. hitters
by willlinn on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When Chipper comes back
Our lineup is going to make pitchers retire.
You think that's sexy?
Just wait til Mac is back!!!
by Theo Williams on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
wow o wow!..lol franky..you sure are sly..man..i love this line..
None of the three pitchers are top 50 prospects, but they did rank ninth, 26th, and 27th respectively for the Braves on Baseball America’s preseason rankings.
lol really..what did you do to ed wade frank? promise you’ll never show those pictures you found of him and pence and amaro? and I really love this one too..
Bourn, 28, is hitting .303/.363/.403 in 473 plate appearances, and he leads MLB with 39 steals.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
It seems that way. This was highway robbery at the least. At the most no one will want to do business with us anymore, LOL
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
All Frank Wren can say now is
HI HATERS!!!
I bet we get a reliever or 2 now, and watch us get willingham 2, we’d be stacked!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
NOW IF Heyward can start hitting
then we’d be really in business :D
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
WILLIE MAYS HAYES IS COMING TO THE ATL!
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
bullpen
brillant move by FW to get Bourn…gotta think a piece for the pen is still being worked on and with Moylan on the mend, looking good.
yup
1 more good arm would be awesome, and hopefully we finally will cut the assman
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen
Despite the constant griping we all do, we have one of the best GM’s in baseball. Not everything he has done can be a hit, but my goodness he sure knows how to get something done.
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
Wren is #1 in Best GMs in Baseball. 2nd is that GM in Toronto.. has made solid moves the last year or so.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ll not mention that one right now…
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I assume you were referring to the Yunel deal
I was just saying its still a sore subject for some around here regarding Wren, but now is a time to celebrate!
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes made quite a few other good deals too.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Oh he really has. I think he is a great GM and he has done really well to buy low on really high ceiling guys (Rasmus, Yunel, Bautista, etc)
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
We did get Pastornicky in that deal as well right?
I know a lot of us would like to have Yunel’s current production here right now, but honestly Toronto has a completely different Hitting style. We don’t know what Yunel would have done here, and we did get a great Def SS in Gonzo plus a hopeful replacement at SS in Pastornicky. Pretty solid.
Toronto Gm also somehow traded vernon wells and that horrific contract
talk about a miracle worker…
You wanna get high? Don't forget to bring a towel!
Was he the same GM who signed that contract?
Cause if so, that just brought him back up to even.
I don’t think it was griping as much as tension. We can now all breath a sigh of relief.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Awesome move! I'm shocked we didn't have to give up one of the big 4.
Great move by Wren.
Man when the news said 4 minor league players I was nervous as hell
Until I saw the list. Wow that is unbelieveable. I wonder how did the convo go from Stros waning Viz and Delgado to Schafer and a bunch of guys I occasionally hear qbout in the daily minor league recap on TC. I am very happy with the deal. Similar to Uggs in that we did not give up future. Once again, Unbelieveable!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Infante
I would love to see an infante trade in the middle of today’s game. It would be awesome to see him pop up in the braves dugout with a uni on. Better yet I would love to see proctor pop up in the marlins bullpen…oh wishful thinking
"[Insert Quotation Here]"
by J-hey-maker on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Only problem
Bourn is a scott boras which means we will have him for only this year and next. Similar yo Tex in that regard.
by romone_braves91 on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
Cross that bridge when we burn it. Who knows what the money will look like at the end of next season.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Chipper’s contract is up after next season too, Not that I want to see him go (far from it actually), but something to keep in mind too
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a pretty nice piece for any team. Picking up a productive CFer is something that play-off aspiring teams struggle with every year. Definitely worth signing up long term.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
IF he produces
I think we’ll pay him enough to keep him here. If not then we’ll probably have someone ready in the organization.
by Theo Williams on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a “Fredi-proof” pick-up.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
ESPN refuses to talk about deal on Sportscenter
or even put it as breaking news. Typical
No Yankees or Red Sox involved.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
This just in
“Derek Jeter takes a crap this morning. More details as they become available”
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i had heard he was constipated last night..
this is good news for him and the yanks I guess..
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by SidFreeman on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
how is this not green?
funniest thing ive seen in a week. rec’d
Proud perpetrator of yelling "Money MIke" at Oracle Arena since Dunleavy's trade to the Pacers.
they'll do 2 hours on uconn field hockey
before they carry anything worth a crap.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
Whats amazing is we actually got the best OF'er available..look at stats..
truly the best CF’er available..i know what your thinking..he doesn’t hit homers..how can he be the best OF’er available..he’s really a game changer between hitting for average, obp, and leading MLB in steals..is pence gonna change the phillies game any? maybe but not by much..this is gonna completely change the braves..the lineup can be fixed perfect now..the talking heads can say what they want..but at the end of this season I think they’ll be saying oh my..the braves trade for Bourn was truly game changing.
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basically what i'm saying is..their gonna say now.. Pence is the blockbuster deal..
but in actuality, i’m hoping and think that this will be looked back on as the deal that sent the Braves to the world series.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
The fact he isn’t know for his homers suits me just fine. We need men on base for the ones in our lineup who do.
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
exactly
we finally realize hitting homers isn’t the end all, be all
and his speed on the paths is better than schafs, and will be more valuable because he gets on at a 360 clip
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
What if Braves still got Quentin and sent Heywards to the minors to regain his swing
would you guys go crazy, be upset, or WHAT
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
we don't need to send heyward down
we now have one of hte best defensive outfields in baseball, and heyward is just fine
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Oberholtzer.. but as you guys probably said.. there was no space for him in the future.. as well as Clemens. Abreu will be a soild relief pitcher and probably will be in the majors now with the Astros. It sucks to see Logan go.. but I’m sure I’ll root for him when we’re facing him. Now, let’s get a right handed relief pitching and perhaps a Willingham-Ludwick type of bat! I always trusted Wren and usually gets the job down and he did! Go Braves!
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
Yay!!
This is the type of trade I was hoping for. Fair market value, not a knee-jerked raping of the system.
Oberholtzer and Clemens go to the top of the Stros pitching prospect list, behind only Cosart. So they def. got some value. But it’s fair value.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
exactly
we didnt rape Ed Wade, prospect wise its a good trade for the Stros
nah we raped him..we just gave him 4 warm bodies that may or may not have potential.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
they have potential
just were all blocked with the braves. the centerpieces, ober and clemens never really had spots in the atl rotation, atleast in the near future. schaf has been a rollercoaster ride his whole time with the bravos, and abreu, who is already 26, is a boarderline relief prospect
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
we raped them..its okay to admit it..
.303/.363/.403 in 473 plate appearances, and he leads MLB with 39 steals.
we were in need of a leadoff CF’er they could have commanded so much more out of us..or no trade at all.
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So Constanza's last day in the bigs today
or can Bourne make it in time (don’t think so). Or is he kept since McClouth is on the DL?
bourn wouldn't get here in time to warm up anyways...he'll join the team tomorrow i assume
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Surely somebody has a private jet. It’s 2011 for goodness sake – get the man in the lineup!
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
haha
maybe he started driving to ATL last night bc he knew deep down ed wade would cave
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wow i didnt know he was already in ATL...
he must have known well before the trade was announced
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this trade actually was made while we all slept..
and Atlanta wanted to wait to announce this morning..franky was like a parent putting together a bicycle on christmas eve in the other room..trying not to make too much noise..
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by SidFreeman on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He is? Wow. Maybe he will make the game.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it done? All I’ve seen is that they are looking in on him
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
atleast he didnt go to the phils or cards
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The Astros actually got a good package.
Just because they weren’t our top 4 doesn’t mean that the pitchers we gave up weren’t good. Both were doing pretty good at AA. In Schafer they get someone who if he puts it all together will be exactly what Bourn was. And Abreu was solid.
Not a bad deal. Now lets go get Upton to!
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
haha
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I definitely think this was a fair trade for both sides. They got some good solid pitchers. I think most people are so happy because of all the rumors we were hearing regarding the Astros wanting maybe 2 of our top 4. The fact we didn’t give up one is pretty awesome
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
I guess you can trade a guy who is on the DL
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Schafer will probably be listed as a PTBNL when the announcement comes out today. They’ll complete the trade when he comes off the DL.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Ah
good point. I would assume MLB has to sign off when a player is on the DL when traded and the other team has to OK it too
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s usually some kind of arrangement for what happens if the eventual PTBNL winds up in a long-term rehab. The team will either send cash compensation, or they will agree on a player of equivalent value. You have six months to complete a PTBNL trade, so there’s no hurry.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
The best part of the deal is that the prospects we sent were 2nd/3rd tier of our prospects and have little value because they are very much blocked by well developed, talented pitchers.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
im serious about Upton
He could be the platoon RH bat and guy who plays while Chipper is hurt.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hi Phillies
We just got the better player. Sorry.
Frank Wren could have my kids if i was a female
nohomo
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
The #Braves will also be getting cash for Bourn, who will wear No. 24.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
Astros change everything about the 2011 season
Phillies are a better team and the Braves are a LOT better team. Do not envy being fans of Arizona, San Francisco Giants, NY Mets, Marlins, and Nats. Going to be a crazy end to this and next season. Let’s Go Bravos!!!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
if #yankees land bell, theyll have greatest set-up combo ever: robertson, soriano and bell (w/joba on shelf). #padres
douche bag, have you not seen O’Ventrbel?
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
You forget
They are not in pinstripes. Therefor, not good
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
2 closers setting up for the best closer ever in baseball. That’s pretty damn good. I wonder if they’d be willing to move Robertson now. He’s the best of the bunch.
Soriano’s awesome xFIP of 5.58 this year?
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Wren wins again. Over the past few days, I’ve read a lot of ‘fire FW’ and ‘FW needs to go’ all over the internet (not as much on TC, of course, given the higher level of wisdom here).
If you are referring to the comments on the AJC stuff
I swear I become dumber every time I happen to look through them. Those people are idiots
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't even get through half a page of comments on the ajc... just brutal
agree with you 100%, they make you feel dumb. However, when I step back, I realize I’m not one of the morons posting or believing anything they write, and I then feel better about myself
I only go on there for DOB stuff. The comments are beyond retarded though
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
How many “Trade heyward for frenchy” comments are there on the AJC? Not to mention the many “ZOMG WE LOST A GAME WE’RE NOT 162-0 THEREFORE PHILS WIN WS BY DEFAULT” comments that seem to be on there. It makes me glad to read comments here, tbh
by ChoppingTalk on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
the funny thing about this weekend..
how many more times do we play the astros this year? because with pence gone..and bourn..we just gutted their offense..I see those games as sweeps..
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
looked up..dang we don't play stro's anymore this year..
lol but next year….
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bourn has to be pumped to get our of Houston and join a contending team
plus he doesnt have to deal with that stupid park anymore, dumbest dimensions of all time
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
I may not be available to post today
I will be too busy eating crow, I said no way Wren actually gets someone other than a 2nd rate player a la Melky. Good job, hate to see Schafer go, I think once he gets his stroke back after two years of injury recovery he is gonna be a a star. We will see. Please tell me Bourn’s in the lineup today! I sense a change in the winds…..
supposedly..
he’s in Atlanta already.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to see Schafer go too. I still think he has a high ceiling. But he basically ran out of time in Atlanta, and the change of scenery might do him some good. I hope he develops into a good player in Houston. As long as he promises not to beat us up with Astrohits when we play them.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
The thing is, his ceiling is Michael Bourn.
We just sped up the process.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably so
I think Schafer potentially has a bit more power. On the other hand, Bourn may improve now that he isn’t distracted by having to deal with that screwy outfield in Houston.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
And he’s not playing next to Carlos Lee anymore.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
When we're at full strength, this would look nice:
Bourn
Prado
Jones
Uggles
McCann
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzalez
I'm thinking
Bourn
Prado
Chipper
Mac
Freeman
Uggs
Heyward
Gonzo
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish we could get Chipper out of the 3 hole. McCann batting 3rd would be PERFECT
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I think that’s our future right there.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
i honestly think
Chip should bat 2nd.
Bourn
Chip
Prado
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzo
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really I think he’d be great batting 6th. He is still a good hitter, but our lineup is now full of good hitters.
Prado 2nd and Freeman or McCann third with chipper 6th makes that look very nice.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
no thanks
3 LHB in a row is asking for it. I’d say
Bourn
Prado
Chip
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Heyward
Gonzo
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now that we got our CF’er how about a reliever.
I wonder if we could get Bell for Hoover and Simmons
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i don't think we've ever been in on bell
i’d rather go after a more low-profile guy. just a solid righty
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Grant Balfour. Him and Moylan.. it’s going to be a sitcom in the ’pen with them two.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
a tweet from Heath Bell..
Sounds like I might be in the playoff race tomorrow…we will see! But I’m excited to see what happens. #tradedeadline
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
#yankees
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Informal poll:
Who believed we would make a major trade and still have Minor? I didn’t.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
I don’t think anyone did
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not me. I kind of wish we had dealt Minor for him straight up.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly think
The Astros were looking for quantity. They don’t have a good system and wanted to get a good haul of prospects between Bourn and Pence
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I hoped...
Bourn wasn’t worth one of the top four. I had my doubts that he could be had for less, but Wren pulled it off.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Cash was the centerpiece of that trade after we traded him for a catcher.
Braves GM made a splash today by acquiring center fielder Michael Bourn and cash from the Astros for center fielder Jordan Schafer, southpaw Double-A starter Brett Oberholtzer, righty Double-A starter Paul Clemens, and righty Triple-A reliever Juan Abreu.
Makin’ it raaaaaaaaain!!
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
okay..hate to be greedy..but say Upton can be had for Minor now..
I’m not big on Upton..but just saying..I know we got our CF’er but..do you do it?
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
That depends a lot on Chipper. I’d rather get a good utility player and a bit of relief help and continue to hoard our excellence.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I would...
But I’m really hesitant to rely on Chipper too much.
by Ryan Lafferty on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt Wren is going to move Minor for a luxury piece.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope
Move on to a RH reliever
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
this
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Me, too. Let’s let him trade dugouts before the game today.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Infante and Leo Nunez
Infante would save us cash next year because we wouldn’t have to resign SeaBass to help Pastornicky
Dave Winfield JUST SAID on Sportcenter seconds ago
we haven’t helped ourselves and we need to go out and get someone like Michael Bourn…
He's just reading what the clowns at ESPN write for him though
If the Yankees, Red Sox, or Phillies had just got Bourn, the breaking news would be just that, not Plaxico Burress signing with the Jets 3 hours ago
Check their own reporters
Olney and Stark have been all over this! So weird.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
They’ve got it in the headlines on the MLB page now.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Its been on the front page for a while now.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I’m watching too. What does it matter if it’s live when they don’t receive breaking news? The whole show has been a terrible. Showing the Indians highlights twice.
"Braves fans in the hizzy" -Boog
"Is that like the crib?" - Joe
by GwinnettBraves on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that live?
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Great start to a Sunday
The trade that I’ve been hoping for has come to fruition, we didn’t give up the farm for the guy, Nate will be on the bench where he belongs and we’re going for a sweep today.
Awesome day to be a Braves fan.
Infante
What are the chances of getting him back? Has there been any word or is this just pure speculation/rosterbation?
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We are talking, but some other teams in the picture.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Do you have a link to that by chance?
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/braves-marlins-discussing-omar-infante.html
We’re definitely asking.
10:27am: The Infante rumors have no legs, hears Juan C. Rodriguez.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
no way
didn’t hanley and uggla hate eachother?
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
BUCKETS
GET TO THE CHOPPAH
I don't know about the guy(s) upstairs, but I do believe in Welsh Jesus
VICK-VICK-VICK-VICKTORIOUS
So happy
Great trade for the Braves!
"Braves fans in the hizzy" -Boog
"Is that like the crib?" - Joe
by GwinnettBraves on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
my goodness we need Chipper and Mac back soon, and Bourn here yesterday...
Today’s lineup vs FLA (1:35 FS South); Constanza 8 Prado 7 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 Heyward 9 Conrad 5 Gonzalez 6 Boscan 2 Hanson 1
Tommy, we basically need you to put up a shut-out today, no if’s or but’s about it, just get it done. If you can do this we MIGHT win.
Dear lord. On my way to the park now
by wpf3211 on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bobby cox sunday lineup
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You would think...
Someone is going to come on her and act like someone peed in their cereal
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Assjming
We are goongfor Infante and we can’t get him. Who else do we go for?
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just logged on to the internet at the airport for this reason
HOLY HELL!!! FRANK WREN, YOU ARE A MASTER!!!!!!!!!!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
The usage fee is worth it today!
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I tethered to my droid – FREE! (Almost the same price as Michael Bourn, apparently)
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Surprise!
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
from a Astros fan
I am disgusted to be an Astros fan right now. Seeing Pence go was bittersweet but Bourn is a special talent. The guy has some tools not many players in the MLB have. Pence was a bit more replaceable. I loved the idea of trading with the Braves though because of how great their minor league system is. We didn’t get one of the big four prospects, no Pastornicky, no Hoover, no Bethancourt, no Salcedo, no Lipka, no Simmons. I wasn’t someone asking for the world, but getting a player or two from this list wasn’t unreasonable. I am not a happy Astros fan right now, but good for the Braves.
by joshant on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That is rather delicious.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Yep
1950 NCAA Co-National Champions
by Old South on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is hilarious
the Astros fan’s statement were very true though and thy probably could have (should have) gotten at least Lipka or Simmons in that package…..oh well, their GM is a moron and didn’t
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
they got guys we ranked higher than listed. sry he didnt get what he wanted….
by Braves Biceps on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Frank Wren is a God.
The Braves have gotten Michael Bourn and Dan Uggla in the last 12 months for Omar Infante, Mike Dunn, Jordan Schafer, Paul Clemens, Brett Oberholtzer and Juan Abreu.
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don’t forget Cash
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Switch pitcher
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
post fail..here!
is hitting .303/.363/.403 in 473 plate appearances, and he leads MLB with 39 steals.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
From the AJC ...
Michael Bourn is a perfect fit for our club, which focuses on speed and defense to match up with our strong pitching," Executive Vice President and General Manager Frank Wren said. "This trade gives us the first true leadoff hitter we’ve had in a number of years."
by bravesfaninchitown on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
It’s comforting to know that Frank Wren knew that we didn’t have a true leadoff hitter.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm SO FREAKING EXCITED!!!
HOW DOES HE DO IT? HOW DOES HE DO IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR????
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
last year he didn't do it
he fucked us…gonzo trade sucked and ankiel and farnsworth were awful
don’t forget!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Lee was impressive
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont even remember who we gave up for Lee
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Robinson Lopez
who has had a horrible year repeating A ball in Peoria. As well as Ty’relle Harris and Jeff Lorick. None of the 3 are looking like a loss right now.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he has been absolutely terrible this year
yes.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It could be a move to limit his innings as well.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he's got half the innings this year that he logged last year
he’s generally getting rocked every month, has an ERA well above 5 both starting and relieving, has a K:BB around 1:1, and both are around 4-5 per 9. it has nothing to do with innings and everything to do with a horrible season.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
1 good trade
for 2 bad trades (unless Pastrosnisky becomes a stud but he still won’t be better then yunel)
but i’m not hating I LOVE WREN
just wish he didn’t do gonzo deal :P
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Bleh Pastornicky probably wont hit for as much power as Tuneless but he will have a higher average. Much more of a contact hitter.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Gonzo deal was an epically stupid move – I don’t think it’s any secret where I stand on that one.
However, Frank is a freaking genius at getting the guys he wants without giving up what he doesn’t want to give up.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Gonzo deal
It wasn’t a good move for us, but I think Bobby more or less forced Yunel out. What’s FW supposed to do when Bobby walks into his office and tells him he doesn’t want Yunel on the team? I put that one more on Bobby’s shoulders than Frank’s.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
You have to remember how excited all the players in the clubhouse were when Alex G came in to replace Yunel. He was a cancer and needed a change of scenery. As much as Alex can be frustrating with the bat sometimes he makes up for it with his glove and he’s going to be hitting 8th for us. Can’t ask for much more than that from a number 8 hittter.
Someone tell us what are Bourn's stats vs the Phillies?
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
.307 .352 .406 .758
15 SB 0 CS
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
<3
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Crasnick
#Braves talked to #Mets about Scott Hairston as a RH bench bat. Atlanta’s interest "tepid,’’ says one BB source
I’d be cool with that. He’s like a right-handed ’Ske.
by Gene_Parmesan on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Hairston has reverse splits
.941 OPS vs RH, .725 vs LH
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Epic Win for Atl
We filled a legit need without touching either of the horsemen, t pain, lipka, or CB. That is an all around success. Considering for about the same caliber of player the Phillies gave up two top 30 prospects
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by rocket8188 on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this feels ...
like FUCKING SUCCESS
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 31, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLChopmaster making new friends at Crawfishboxes
Attaboy Frank Wren!
We'll trade you for Cheryl Tunt. Tome again? Still nothing?
I was looking at that a few minutes ago. He’s just your ordinary, average, 11-year old trolling Braves fan!
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and people want him back here
i’ll never understand people
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he get banned?
I havent been around much lately, but I havent seen him…
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
yes, deservedly so
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Enough was enough with him. He still hits me up on Twitter all the time too.
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I…I…I LOVE YOU.
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
she is so hot
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
twat?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
About time.
I remember roasting his first post and then getting yelled at for doing so.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
in all seriousness
I say we try and start the extension talks.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ASAP
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
from Buster..
Consensus in #Braves clubhouse: Feel bad for Schafer, but pleased with addition of proven leadoff hitter Bourn and his game-changing speed.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
I feel bad for the kid too. He definitely has had the worst luck the last few years with injuries. I hope he puts it all together in a lower pressure situation. He has the potential to be exactly what Bourn is.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
I’ll be rooting for him when he’s batting against us.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No he didn’t.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
He just accepted a 50 game suspension for HGH without fighting it at all.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
But pretty readily accepted the suspension.
I really don’t know if he did it and obviously don’t have any special info. But the situation is mighty suspicious.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
To elaborate
I think most people, if they were in that situation and hadn’t done it, would have fought tooth and nail to clear their name. But, it’s not inconceivable that he didn’t actually do it.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Whether he fought it or not, under the rules, he would still have to serve 50 games.
Jordan denied ever having taken HGH, and still denies it to this day.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at that time.
Remember, Schafer was the first player to be caught by MLB Dept. of Investigations. The Braves very much wanted this to just blow over, and Jordan didn’t dispute the charges officially…however:
Schafer’s father told ESPN.com’s Mike Fish that his son did not fail a drug test and did not purchase HGH from an online pharmacy or supplier.
“At this point he would love to comment, but under counsel’s advice he can’t. He says he loves the Braves. He wants to play his entire career with the Braves. He loves the city and the fans of Atlanta. It hurts him that he can’t make a comment, but under advice he just can’t make a comment right now.”
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Like I said
The whole situation is suspicious. We’ll never really know what happened. Didnt purchase HGH or fail a test, bust was suspended and told by counsel not to speak. That is incredibly odd.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
What’s even more weird is how he got suspended.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The story is...
a fellow minor league ratted him out jealous he was about to overtake him, and knowing minor league players could be suspended on bs rumor without any evidence. Perhaps they wanted it taken care of internally knowing even if jordan fought it, MLB wasn’t going to let him win. He was in a lose-lose position and chose to lose the graceful way instead of the way that pissed off the organization calling out a problem player they were about to take care of on their own.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
If that's the case,
The Logan made the wrong choice. We’re not talking about sitting a couple of games for the organization. 50 games is a helluva long time, especially for a developing player.
I have a hard time believing that story because it is entirely illogical. Most normal people would not react that way, taking such a long suspension. There has to be more to the story.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
That’s pretty much exactly what happened.
And to be even more specific, HGH is not a steroid. Jordan has never even been accused of using steroids.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on all accounts.
And as I’ve said, it’s mighty suspicious.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I’m going to miss Logan.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The basket catches . . .
The great throws . . .
Even the swinging K’s where he looks lost
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
me too
but not the daily McLouth v Schafer arguments. It will be odd to see what the next argument will be, since it seems like the lineup will be relatively static once everyone returns
This trade also just gave us one of the best 4th OFers in baseball.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
true
now if we can just get someone on the roster to replace Lugo and Proctor, I would like everything about this team. Getting Infante back would be great, but I doubt the Marlins would want to send him back to us even if it was a fair offer.
McLouth replaces Lugo on the roster, Prado becomes super utility, playing every day, Moylan replaces Proctor….that’s too perfect.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
How about we don't carry PROCTOR much longer?
:)
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Too bad he can’t play anywhere but LF
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, he can play anywhere – just not very well.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Mclouth one of the best 4th outfielders….lol
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Can you name a better one?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Naters gonna Nate, especially UNC (misdirected anger for Butch perhaps?), but I’d love to see the list of names of 4th OFers better than Blondie.
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next argument is
whether Alex’s Gold Glove defense at SS is worth enduring his flailing offensive fail in key moments
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 31, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Every team has at least one black hole in their lineup, he’s ours. And considering we’ll get 20 HRs out of our black hole, I’m ok with that.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We will be lucky to get 14.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
my problem is not his HR numbers
but his horrendous inability to do anything but K, GIDP, or infield fly out with RISP and less than 2 outs with the P behind him in one run games.
yes he occasionally gets a HR (though not for a while now) in unimportant circumstances, but his utter failure in key moments make him worse than most black holes IMO.
However, his defense has saved quite a few runs against…it is a tough dilemma…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
especially all the lovers trying to justify his .300 obp at the top of the order
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
What are we going to do without “fucking success”?
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually succeed offensively?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
some TGP's reaction
Bourn for that price, while Hunter is far more expensive. Wow, Wren got suckered again…haha.
…wait we did what? Oh Fuck
So much for the whole "acceptance" thing in the grieving process. This blows. Ed wade just got ass raped. Why couldn’t RAJ have done that.
Because Ruben is either an idiot or else felt sorry for Wade…oy.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fcuk,kruck,fuck
the sad thing is, most Phillies fans will say Pence > Bourn. They will also say that Pence its for average when Bourn doent. they will say a lot of things to justify the trade, but none will work on me I tell you.
The funny thing is we were all talking about how cheap the Phillies got Pence and how Ed Wade had some sort of underhanded deals going on with Philly.
We just ripped Houston off worse than Philly has in the last 2 years combined.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Wade is just bad at this.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
There’s a lot of weight to that argument…is he the one who traded away Bourn?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Lemme check...
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Possible incentive for Bourn to sign an extension with the Braves
Put a clause in his contract stating that the Braves will never hire Ed Wade as their GM.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
I would't say that,...
but then I really like oberholtzer.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you put him above the Phillies prospects?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
See below
just a feeling, he turns out better than Cosart. I think Singleton was a good pickup for them, but they made a mistake not demanding Brown instead of Cosart imo.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
lets all thank schafer for his time here
wasn’t the best, but he gave his all despite injuries. If only that wrist injury never happened in 2009, we might already have an 800 ops cfer with great defense
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
yeah
this was better for both parties though, he’ll be given a chance to succeed over in Houston as well
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude was a gamer. I loved watching him on D and running the bases. I just wish he could have put it all together this year. We wouldn’t have needed Bourn.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Technically he did. In the games where he had someone decent hitting behind him at least.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Think about what he did and went through his last game here in Atlanta. Playing after being hit on his bad hand and getting a hit to move over Lugo. Earned more respect from me that night then any.
by wiebrod on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cringed every time he swung
I knew his had was hurting him on every swing, and for him to keep trying like that.
Definitely was not a soft player.
lineup
Rhprado is perfect behind lhbourn..
Chipper ensures the starter faces 2 opposite handers..
Mccann and Uggla should hit together, is switch them based on the starting pitcher. I also love freeman and heyward next to eachother.. and there’s no one I imagine gonzalez hitting in front of except barely the pitcher..
That said
Bourn
Prado
Chipper
Mccann/uggla
Uggla/mccann
Heyward/freeman
Freeman/heyward
Gonzalez
by willlinn on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bourn
Freeman
Chipper
Uggla
McCann
Prado
Heyward
Gonzalez
That would be my ideal lineup, assuming that Chipper will always hit 3rd.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
freeman batting second?
Start out w 2 lefties? And a guy w no speed and a little power.. what’s your thinking on this? Prado has been so good at the top
by willlinn on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Freeman is a better hitter right now than Prado. I don’t care about L/R in the lineup. Speed isn’t that important with mashers like Chipper, Uggla and McCann behind you.
Prado followed by Heyward could be the best 6/7 combo in the majors – ok, in the NL.
It will be like having a top of the order at the bottom.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
wrong
speed does matter at the top of the order. Why do you think Bourn is going to hit leadoff? BECAUSE HE GOT SPEED
You're about to get pooed on so hard.
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It didn't happen it seems...
But “speed does matter at the top of the order,” usually doesn’t fly around here and “Why do you think Bourn is going to hit leadoff?” suggest that Fredi doing something means there’s sense behind it.
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I know it didn't happen
I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic…but I guess not
Oh... yeah... sorry... in my enthusiasm my sarcasm meter has failed miserably.
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Speed per se is overrated. Good baserunning is more about reading the pitcher and recognizing the play under way. Having said that, there is such a thing as a player who can rattle a pitcher with raw speed, but such players are a lot more rare than most people think — there’s maybe a dozen in the major leagues at any given moment. Fortunately for us, Bourn is one such player.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
I like Prado in the 2-spot. He was a little rusty coming off the DL, but he’s coming around.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Prado is a born #2 hitter. This trade allows us to put him there and leave him there, which will be good for him.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
If Pastor T keeps things up
We might be looking at him in the 2-spot. Imagine that kind of speed at the top of the order.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzo
is a solid 8 hitter, he’ll give you a little bit of power, and anything you get out of an 8 hitter is a gift
I <3 Runz
Well if what everyone says about McLouth is true, Alex’ OBP is about to skyrocket from hitting in front of the pitcher. They’ll just pitch around hi….oh wait….I forgot that it is impossible to pitch around Alex, since he thinks the strike zone goes from the outside of the batter’s box to the on-deck circle.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
True Story...
Alex Gonzalez was the batter in Bull Durham when Nook Laloosh hit the bull near the on deck circle. It took them 18 takes to get the shot because Alex kept swinging at the pitch.
when healthy
Bourn
Prado
Chipper
Heap
Uggla
Freeman
Sea Bass
Heyward (should be in AAA like you said last year)
with a bench of Ross, Hinske, McLouth, Conrad, SS (Hicks/Lugo). Nice.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I said we should keep him down for 2 weeks to gain an extra year of eligibility – unless we extend him, I maintain that feeling.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
title
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Fredi, who has the higher OBP. Schafer or Bourn?
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Fredi: Wait, who has what between who?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaa this made me laugh
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
a quickly put together tribute
"C'mon Chip!" Bobby Cox
by ByrneSupremacy on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
REC THAT!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I see we finally finished the Bourn Ultimatum
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Green it up!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Broken link?
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Not for me….
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe just me then
Cant get it with IE or Chrome.
Oh well.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Michael Bourn: I heard you got swindled by Frank Wren and I’ve been traded. We need to talk. Where are you?
Ed Wade: I’m sitting in my office, trying to regain my composure.
Bourn: I doubt that.
Wade: Why would you doubt that?
Bourn: If you were in your office right now, then we’d be having this conversation face-to-face. I’m going to Atlanta.
by jeffblauser on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I just made this my Facebook status... yes...
I loved it that much. Proper credit was given.
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
F*****g success.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish our political leaders would settle their arguments this way today.
Outlawing duels was a terrible idea.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
things would def get resolved much quicker
the dissenting opinions wouldn’t have much of a voice 6 feet deep
We just improved our team way more than the phillies or giants did...
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
shh
espn will beg to differ
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Wtf Did Frank Wren do to Ed Wade???
as late as last nite demands were two of our top 6? Like Delgado and Minor!
And we walk away with Obie being the prize? Please give me a minute to bow down to the Wrenmaster!!
You sir, are my idol!
Sometimes I wake up grumpy; other times I let her sleep.
by chicagobullies on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this deal
Sets a good precedence/standard as to the value of our pitching prospects
by saipol on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kemp for Minor straight up =P
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Overpay
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Has ESPN still not run the story?
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
no
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably waiting for it to go final. I don’t think they reported any deals until they were confirmed this year.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s football.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We must talk about football all the time.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
yo gabba gabba
what, am i the only parent here?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Gabba Gabba Hey!
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Not to mention with Ugla finding his swing......
It’s like we added a big power bat too.
This team just got VERY scary good.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
if we can jsut get a solid RH reliever...
and omar would be awesome so we can stop relying on lugo to be our utility player
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Moylan…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm still a little afraid to rely on him
after not pitching for nearly 3 months to come in and pick up where he left off…
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
We won’t have to rely on him to pick up where he left off – just to replace Proctor. lol
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
but, but, but proctor throws hard!!!!
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Bobby...
have called him Mikey? Bourny?
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
America..... Fuck Yeah!!!!
absolutely love this deal. Wrens done a great job with trades as a GM
I <3 Runz
He’s had his fair share of misses, but he has hit a ton of HRs.
He’s like the Adam Dunn of GMs (just not the 2011 version of Dunn)
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think of a trade that he’s really missed on. He’s really only missed on a couple of signings
I <3 Runz
He missed on the Teixeira for Kotchman deal, he missed on Ankiel and Farnsworth, he missed on Yunel/Alex, he missed on McLouth (though at the time, it was an excellent trade).
Half of those are hindsight evaluations, so I can’t really fault him for making the deals under the circumstances at the time.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
mcLouth was not a miss
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Seemed good at the time, turned out to be a huge miss.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Not really...
we got more out of him than they’ll ever get out of what we gave them, barring an unexpected improvement from Locke or Morton, so where’s the “miss”? We won that deal no matter how much the Naters wanna Nate.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I can see the money being the argument for a “miss”
My meaning of miss was that he wasn’t what we traded for.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 1, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he really miss on Ankiel/Farnsworth?
For all we know, they were the best available so we cant blame him for not getting better. I dont really remember what he traded for them but I dont think it was much.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Yes
Blanco and Chavez could have provided as much, and we’d have kept Collins, and had two players cheaper still under club control.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Ahh I forgot about Collins
And you’re right about Blanco. Tho, we might not have had the splash in San Fran :)
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Micahel Bourn legs out an infield single. Michael bourn then uses his Jason Bourn skills to sneakily walk to second base without anyone on the other team noticing. Martin prado then singles him home.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
so this off season..
We will have zero holes if chipper doesn’t retire except 4th of and ss..
We will be starting the season w
Minor, Teheran, medlen, beachy, jj, Hanson, Hudson, lowe.. none of which should spend an inning in the minors.. that’s 8 guys.. delgado should be our 6th starter.. so we can trade 3..assuming lowe is one we need to trade 2 more.. what ss can we get?
by willlinn on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
we won't trade all of them
i’m guessing delgado to AAA. Minor and Lowe will be dealt.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Offseason probably
I wrote in my fanpost last night that the Braves probably won’t have the payroll to retain JJ past 2012. They can explain to Boras that we had to trade JJ to clear payroll to make Bourn a good offer.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
And Boras would say...
Fuck you, pay both of my clients!
True dat...
sigh.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
OT: Kyle Busch is one ugly mofo
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Am I dreaming
Wow I can’t believe I woke up from one wet dream to another.
If Bourn misses the game today
Michael Bourn will make his Turner Field debut on August 12th. The same day they retire Bobby’s jersey. Can’t wait to go to that game now!!
"Braves fans in the hizzy" -Boog
"Is that like the crib?" - Joe
by GwinnettBraves on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ME EITHER!!!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I just sent Schafer a message on FB thanking him for his time here, and telling him that most of us will still be rooting for him in Houston.
I suggest everyone who is FB friends with him to do the same. The guy could probably use some encouragement these days!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
if i had his facebook, id do the same
He was good for us, hope he does great over in Houston
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Here I thought you’d be suggesting for him to take a few more walks…
I wish he would have – maybe he would still be in Atlanta if he did.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hit him up on twitter. I really feel like we might regret letting him go
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His ceiling is Bourn right now. We won’t regret it unless we fail to extend Bourn.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he could have more power than Bourn.
Also I doubt Boras will work out an extension with us.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it we are willing to pay, which we should be, since he is the first legit CF we have had since Andruw, then they will sign.
I think Schafer’s power is all but gone. The wrist injury really sapped him of that tool. He’s more of a 4 tool player now. If he can learn to hit gaps, he will be deadly, but if he continues to swing for the fences, it won’t help him.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Tweeted him on twitter
I still remember back in 09 his first ml homer!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Freddie was a C-C-C-Combo Breaker!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Classy move. I really do wish him the best.
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by Kushagi on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn I love FW
Don’t get me wrong that’s a solid package we gave up, but we just acquired the best CF since 2009 without giving up our best pitching prospects. Wow. FW is brilliant. And we got Cash.Anyways, good luck to Schafer, Oberholtzer, Clemens, and Abreu.
can't wait to see cash do some work
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
best cf since 2009 is kemp
or Ellsbury, but bourn is up there
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Bourn =13 WAR....better than Kemp
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McCutcheon
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Just woke up.
Did I miss anything exciting?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
We are trying to acquire Infante – that’s about all. Nothing else to see here. Move along…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh well, sometimes the best move is no move. Back to bed for me.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
yankees are in on bell
braves traded for some guy named Cash…that’s a pretty big deal
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I AM SHAKING
THIS IS A JOKE RIGHT?! AFTER SO MANY PEOPLE GIVING WREN SO MUCH CRAP FOR NOT PULLING THE TRIGGER ON BELTRAN AND PENCE AND HE PULLS OFF A DEAL THAT ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE FOUR HORSEMAN?! I know we gave up some really good prospects, saw Oberholtzer pitch last year he has plus stuff. BUT FOR THE PIECE WE NEEDED?! NOT JUST A PIECE… THE PIECE?! I WANT TO HEAR SOME APOLOGIES… NO REALLY… I DO.
Okay I think I can stop talking in capital letters now… Really… I do… I set my alarm to 11 because I figured not much would happen before that…. Jeez…
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I was fine with not acquiring both of those guys – so long as we got SOMEBODY.
I was pissed at the blatant refusal to give a little to get a little – but apparently, Frank Wren knows exactly what the hell he’s doing.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Made a lot of people eat crow. At least until next trade deadline…
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He does it every year. I question him often, but he has shown time and time again that he is one of the best in the business.
My only real knock on him is the Yunel/Alex trade, but I don’t think that was his doing. I think he was given an order to execute, and he did what he could given the circumstances. Even then, he got good MiLB guys in return.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
True
I think Frank wasn’t really wanting to unload Yunel, but it happened. We did get some good players with him. I bet other team’s fans do NOT want their GM to deal with us for fear of getting screwed (Tigers, I’m looking at you!
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Bobby told Wren to get Yunel out of there. Fredi doesn’t have that kind of pull, at least not yet, so that won’t happen again anytime soon. Even so, I think it will work out as an even trade in the long run — I think Pastornickey’s ceiling is a lot higher than some people here.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Even if it is, it isn’t as high as Yunel’s.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about you.
I’m talking about the whiners that thought it was the end of the world that Wren hadn’t moved yet last night and was refusing to give anything up. They’ve clearly never been in a negotiation before… never heard about the concept of holding out. Considering what he did, what you, I, and a lot of other people told some guys was still possible and not to freak out, the way people were acting the last couple nights was absolutely ridiculous.
Especially the “Well this sucks, this is over, big trades are never made this late,” guy.
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all caps
should be your friend.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I calmed down eventually.
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ESPN
IS TALKING ABOUT IT!!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
Olney was saying we needed bourn and it was a good deal!
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
“he’s no hunter pence of carlos beltran”
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Another move?
Is it realistic to expect another move to be made for a RH bat today? I have heard Infante thrown out there and Hairston, but if those two are not in play what are our other options? Could Ludwick or Willingham still be in play, or would we have to trade McClouth for that to happen. As much as I love this deal I would still love to see another RH bat with some power added to platoon with Hinske in lefts. I have a bad feeling about Chipper contributing anything down the stretch….
RH Bullpen arm is more likely/needed
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it really more needed though? We currently have no one in the minors capable of filling a RH utility role. We do have Moylan coming back and a couple of AAA guys that are doing well that could be given a shot, not toe mention Teheran and Viz that have been mentioned as being bullpen candidates down the stretch. The more I think about it the more I would rather see just one more RH bat. Doesn’t have to be a huge move just something to give us a little more depth. Infante or Hairston ideal, Willingham would also be nice.
by ghutcheson13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Moylan to be a guy we HAVE to rely on right away
A solid RH arm to help out Linebrink in high-leverage situations is a big plus. One thing I’ve been saying is that the Braves need to make sure they maintain their strength, which is the bullpen. You do that by getting another guy you feel comfortable in high leverage situations. Linebrink can’t be the only one outside of Kimbrel
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
*comfortable using
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
still need a utility guy off bench and bullpen arm. got bourn on the low so might as well keep spending.
by michaeldlee1480 on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
From Stark
Include #Phillies in group of teams still in on Mike Adams & Heath Bell. #Padres scouted their AAA pitchers again this week. #trades
Maybe Bell to the Yanks isnt a done deal.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
id rather him go to the Yanks than the phils
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
obviously
I just don’t know what the Phillies have left to give up to get high quality players in return…
me either
but i keep hoping that real soon all of their guys are old and cant play, and they’re stuck with nothing
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Their bullpen would be absolutely filthy if they got Bell.
Their backend would probably be better than ours.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i think its possible that we trade Nate
but he hasnt been THAT bad this year
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillies going hard after Adams/Bell
Wren dont forger the other thing we need
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks
Oberholtzer will be a better pick up for the Astros than Cozart?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
good to hear...
about a year older than Cosart, but putting up better numbers at a level higher. And Cosart was said to may be needing to shut it down now to keep from overdoing his innings.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think it's all that likely
but with pitching prospects in particular, you don’t ever really know
This Trade is:
Seinfeld jokes in exchange for Matt Damon jokes?
Cursed Locker
Schafer had it this year…not only was he struggling to stay healthy the last few weeks but now he got traded.
You don’t think they will give the locker to Bourn now do you? I sure hope not.
awesome
CyborgHanson48 CYBORG HANSON TOMMY
HUMAN BOURN MICHAEL ACQUIRED VIA BASE BALL TRANSACTION TO REPLACE MCLOUTH NATE OUTS WITH BASEHITS & THEFTBASES & HOMEPLATE RUNS
Haha
theftbases
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Schultz
Wren confirmed interest in Beltran, Pence but reaffirmed he wouldn’t go to wall for either in terms of prospects sought by Mets, Astros.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Good
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
oh no..
Mitch Williams on TV.. anti-Brave.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
At first glance I thought we raped them
On second thought, good deal for the Braves, but the Astros got good players. It is just a testament to how great our farm system is that guys like Oberholtzer and Clemens weren’t ranked higher. Astros got 4 players, all AA or higher, that have good stuff and have performed. The chances of all reaching the majors is near 100%. For them, it is a good complement to what they got from the Phillies.
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
I WANT TO SEE BUT I CANNOT
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What a way to start the morning.
My friend texted me about it, and I got on here to see that it’s true. This trade was a steal(no pun intended).
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
maybe the best part of this
No more McClouth vs Logan arguments
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'll miss Logan's good defense.
But still, great trade.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
by GouldisGold on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic move,,,I wish the 4 guys good luck in Houston and...
we got exactly what we needed. Please get him an extension.
Let’s strengthen up our BP & bench today & look out NL
Ok guys
It’s been fun. I’m so excited about this! But, my flight is boarding now, so I will talk to you all again from Montgomery, Alabama this evening!
BTW, I did indeed stay up all night. I haven’t gone to sleep yet. I just drank a NO Xplode to keep going….this is going to be rough.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
You mean NO Xplode in my pants? Stuff is rough
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be okay with Ludwick.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
by GouldisGold on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
What if
Wren also snagged Upton?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
that would be AWESOME
but where would Prado play?
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Utility?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Both. Upton plays all three OF spots, while Prado plays LF/infield utility.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be awesome
our OF would be
Heyward
Bourn
Upton
Prado
Hinske
Nate
thats pretty sick right there
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
How about a smile Frank?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Holy shit Braves also get CA$H in the deal!
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Wade can't help himself
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Reading Astros board
they are flamed they didn’t atleast get randall delgado
LOL @ WADE
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
Yep.
Terrible trade for them.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
by GouldisGold on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
not really. They got 2 B pitchers, a flamethrower reliever, and right now a 4th OF who could become a regular. that’s pretty solid
Really, they got a younger and cheaper version of Bourn, which works well with their timeline.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
except he's nowhere near Bourn's level yet
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, but that’s where the younger part comes in.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
its funny when you read other boards
cause while we have like 800 comments here, when i checked there they had 5 lol
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
"Bourn to Braves trade has no legs. Phillies just offered their basepath chalk and some fertilizer. Ed Wade considers"
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Just want to throw this out there
And with five hours left, there is still time to bolster the bullpen.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Taking that from TBS makes it that much better.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
noticed the superstation as well
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Starks says St L just got Furcal
Interesting but he hasnt done much this year.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Have been after a centerfielder all week. Was in on the Pence and Beltran, but not heavily. This was the move they wanted. Still looking at a RH bat.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
wonder what Upton would have costed...
like Bourn better though
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
We still have the pieces to get him, RH bench bat anyone?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The pieces you speak of would be overpaying for a RH bench bat.
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He’s more than a bench bat, but he’d also be our future LFer when Chipper retires.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He should have been even cheaper, but a bigger gamble. Hard to tell with the Ray’s though.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
And next year looks nice...
Bourn
Prado
Chipper
Heyward
Uggla
Heap
Freeman
Pastornicky
with a bench of Ross, Hinske, Sea Bass, Conrad, and Matt Young/cheap veteran FA CF type?
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Infante will be on the bench next year.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I could take that over Sea bass
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Chipper better not be hitting 3rd in that lineup
Bourn
Prado
McCann
Uggla
Freeman
Chipper
Heyward
Pastornicky
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
chipper hits 3rd til he retires
deal with it
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Passan
“I’d say I’m stunned the Astros didn’t get one potential impact piece in return for Michael Bourn, but then I remembered it’s the Astros.”
What are the Astros doing, desarming their team?
The Yankees are trying for Astros lefty Wandy Rodriguez, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
I’ll be happy if Yankees trade someone like Montero or/and Nuñez or/and Nova for him.
Every Body Happy?
I am. While I wanted Upton, to get Bourn without giving up on of our big 4 is a good deal. Sorry to see Jordan go, but as he said " I had a feeling". Looking ahead anyone think Huddy could get traded in the off-season if they can’t move Lowe?
When healthy
Bourn
Prado
McCann
Jones
Freeman
Uggla
Heyward
Gonzalaz
The question was asked not because I want to move Huddy, but because we have to move at least one starter and more likely 2. I can’t see the Braves keeping Minor in AAA for another year. He’s done 2 years very well, keeping him down may actually stunt his growth. I also think Julio is ready. If we can’t move Lowe ( key word being can’t) who do we consider moving? If you swallow half the money, you can likely move Lowe. But that still leaves us needing one more spot in the rotation. Beachy to the Pirates for a healthy Tabata would seem ideal. Young pitcher for young hitter if Chipper retires. Trading JJ, could also be an option. Which two pitchers would you try to move?
Huddy isn't going anywhere
Lowe will be gone, it’s just a question of how much $ we have to send to someone else
Huddy has 10 and 5 rights.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Lowe or Jurrjens or both
as others say, Huddy can veto any trade thanks to 10/5 rights. And they wouldn’t trade him anyway.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EDIT THE TROY GLAUS HATERS <3 ME TO HAVE A PICTURE OF FW?!
Sorry, the Caps came out again.
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now we need a RH hitter and a RH Reliever
Infante + Stanton for Nate + a couple of PTBNL
Storen for Proctor + Young + Constanza
winner....!
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
do it frank!
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW....
I still think we had a trade for Upton a week ago, and the Schafer injury nixed it.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
how would the injury effect the trade?
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If he were part of it?
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Because the Rays paused it. Schafer was in the trade, but got hurt. By that time, other teams got involved and it all became murky.
But if you watch the time line (Jennings call up, Upton pulled from the game, and then Schafer’s injury) it all adds up.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
To everyone who was on the Michael Bourn train with me — whether if it was a month ago or yesterday — this has been a hell of a ride.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
Amen Brotha....!
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
WAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Sounds like you're getting a little choked up.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Probably from a mixture from my sleep deprivation and the happiness of not updating Twitter constantly for any breaking news.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Seriously wasn’t planning on waking up this morning… thought this would happen later in the day… was up until 4:30 last night.
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still wouldn't call him the best CF since 2009
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely the most consistent among the better CF in the league.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
McCutcheon
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bourn fWAR (09-11) 4.9 4.8 3.6
Cutch fWAR (09-11) 3.5 3.7 4.9
Cutch is really breaking out this year after two good years. He’s the better player right now and getting even better, but Bourn has been remarkably consistent.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Where his UZR probably kills it
and I’m skeptical of UZR, especially in an admittedly small sample of a single season. So I’d need more than WAR to make that statement.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with WAR not necessarily being the best stat, but we know what we’re getting from Bourn. He’s what you might call a sure thing.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's something we've lacked since Furcal
or maybe otis
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take McCutchen but that’s it.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
what was the list again?
it’s pretty underwhelming personally.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Bourn, McCutchen, Victorino, Granderson, Gonzalez, Kemp...
Yeah, underwhelming :D
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I think Gonzalez is fueled by Coors
Granderson good but not great, Victorino the same, Bourn the same, Kemp’s D and inconsistency is an issue, McCutch just coming in to his own. it’s a good group, but kind of like the SS argument, it seems to lack the star power it had at the turn of the century (with Andruw, Griffey, etc).
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So much of his is derived from that fielding...
I’m not sure he’s THAT good in CF compared to say McCutcheon, Victorino, etc, but he’s definitely worth inclusion in that top 5-7, and the argument can be made that he’s been slightly on top of that top group.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of value wrapped up in defense and baserunning for Bourn.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
which are both things i don't think they have a good measure of yet
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Two pretty damn important things and aspects of a center fielder’s game, no?
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, but see above
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, but at the same time Bourn certainly passes the eye test defensively and his baserunning numbers speak for themselves.
UZR and SPD (or whatever they call the baserunning stat) are far from perfect, but they can be pretty useful when looked at over a multi-year period. And they’re the best metrics we have.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
but then while they pass the eye test, are they really that superior to all others as the numbers there would indicate? Hence the deserving of being in the discussion at least, but perhaps not true #1. Still, good, and a helluva lot better than Schafer or McLouth out there. Exactly what we’ve lacked for a while, at a very reasonable cost. EXCELLENT move.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth, but the metrics for those are somewhat erratic.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
true
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
All Aboard!!!!
I would’ve prefered Upton but Bourn has been my 2nd favorite even with Pence and Beltran available
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
Because they went from having one of the best outfields in the MLB to....
Uh…. One of the worst?
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Very much like the Pirates
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As well they should be.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Todd Coffey has been traded...
unknown team at the moment… could it be here….?
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Oh save me from Coffey time.
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I would like this for 2 reasons
1. Hopefully it means Proctor is gone
2. Getting to watch him sprint in from the bullpen is HILARIOUS
Doubt it. Too many teams in on relievers.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want to say I know I've had a lot of arguments with people on here the last couple days.
But I love you all deeply and after a brief visit to the ESPN, MLB, and Facebook Braves and Thanks Bobby! message boards… I gotta say I think we all take for granted that most people around here generally know their shit.
<3
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another reason to love this trade
The Braves have stolen 163 bases since the start of 2009. Michael Bourn alone has 152 in this time-frame
jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
Talked to scout who thinks #Astros did ‘OK’ in Bourn deal. He called Oberholzer a ‘Randy Wolf type’ & Clemens a ‘strong-armed kid.’ #braves
sounds good
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was a pretty fair trade. Wren did the absolute best he could to trade from a position of power while holding on to our top guys.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he play today or tomorrow? Anybody know?
I really want to be at his first game but if he plays today that’d be just fine with me too.
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Tell me this isnt a dream?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
okeeey, now?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Michael Bourn leads MLB with 39 steals this year.
The Braves in 2011 have 42 steals, 15 of which were Jordan Schafer.
I'm happy for the trade, but bittersweet
Jordan if starting the whole season would have about 30-40 steals by this time of the year.
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna miss Jordan.
I still think he’ll be something. Not great or anything, but average is still really good.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Looks like Houston might not be done.
11:10am: Rodriguez would have to fall into the Yankees’ laps, tweets Jack Curry. The Astros would have to eat a “huge chunk” of his contract, tweets Buster Olney.
10:33am: The Yankees are trying for Astros lefty Wandy Rodriguez, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. However, Joel Sherman tweets that there is no sense from the Yankees’ side that they are anywhere near a deal.
He could play 3B or LF
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Put him at SS, please.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
if any bat is good enough to trump bad D, it's his
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We should use Cash to build a time machine so we can trade 2011 Heyward for 2010 Heyward.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this might actually work
but then would 2012 Heyward essentially be 2011 Heyward-pretrade?
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good question. We could travel to the future and get 2012 Heyward.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got my internet fixed
HOORAY FOR MICHAEL BOURN!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
nah
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Marlins (R. Nolasco – R) @ Braves (T. Hanson – R)
1. Emilio Bonifacio (S) LF
2. Omar Infante® 2B
3. Greg Dobbs (L) 3B
4. Hanley Ramirez® SS
5. Gaby Sanchez® 1B
6. Mike Stanton® RF
7. Mike Cameron® CF
8. Brett Hayes® C
9. Ricky Nolasco® P
1. Jose Constanza (L) CF
2. Martin Prado® LF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Dan Uggla® 2B
5. Jason Heyward (L) RF
6. Brooks Conrad (S) 3B
7. Alex Gonzalez® SS
8. J.C. Boscan® C
9. Tommy Hanson® P
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Dan Uggla is a registered trademark of oVecKid Industries
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"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Alex Gonzalez is a registered name
so, why is there another alex gonzalez in baseball?
the same with Mike Stanton.
he's a franchisee
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s infringement. I’m looking into legal ramifications as we speak.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
I feel like we could make a sitcom with these two.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
What would it be about?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re supposed to create a tv show about nothing? It’ll never work!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking nothing.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
He'll go 5-5 3B, 2B, 6 RBI, 4 SB, 5 R today
knowing he’ll be back to AAA tomorrow
I like this better than Pence, Beltran, or Quentin
First, we don’t have to cram a corner outfielder into centerfield… Pence fits perfectly.
Second, this gives us speed, which right now is something we have virtually none of.
Third, it gives us a leadoff hitter we’ve been searching for for a couple of years now.
Fourth, it’s not a 2 month rental the way a Beltran would be.
None of the other players we were looking at fit all those criteria, and this is putting aside the fact that I think Bourne’s numbers right now are better than any of them.
Wren outdid himself.
by cheshire falcon on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
like I have been saying
Bourn should have been the guy from day 1. Guessing he was..
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
every indication from FW today was that he was
guess he was using DOB and Bowman for misinformation to other teams… Like he said today, if he wanted Beltran or Pence, he could have got them
good to know
Could be he was driving the price up on Beltran and Pence
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
makes it even more brilliant
He got what he wanted AND cost the Phillies some of their future.
I’m starting to wonder if Wren is a Bond villain.
by cheshire falcon on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There was definitely a disinformation campaign somewhere
“Oh, we’re in line behind four other teams for Bourn.” “We aren’t willing to give up any of the players Houston wants.” “Cincinnati made an offer we can’t match.” Brilliant. Just F’in’ brilliant.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
it's funny
I was looking at his stats a couple of days ago and remember thinking “Wait… why are we even looking at other players??? This is the guy we need!”. When I woke up this morning and saw that Wren landed him, I was thrilled.
by cheshire falcon on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
still need a right handed bat
we still havent gotten what we need yet . yes we got a good leadoff hitter but we havent gotten that big bat yet .
by ~~banditwolf~~ on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder if we're even done.
Wren could pull something else off.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Well....
Our problem has been scoring with consistency, not hitting long bombs away. We need a guy who can get on all the time, create runs with his speed, and things of that nature. A line-up of Bourn, Prado, Chipper, McCann, Uggla, Freeman, Heyward, and Gonzo would be pretty potent. There is no room for upgrade there, except at shortstop, and there is no impact bat available.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We're almost at the top in homers.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
right....that's what I said
Homers aren’t are problem
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was agreeing with you ;)
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
oh ok.
In that case, I agree with your agreement of my statement….hahah
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need a right handed bat.
We need someone to hit lefties.
We got that.
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Wren on ESPN
Wren is about to go on to baseball tonight on ESPN in a few minutes just letting everyone know.
Thanks for the heads up.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Don't know if its going to be anything we don't know though haha
by atlbravesfn12 on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, yeah.
Would be interesting to hear him though. Here it is.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
on ESPN2??
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
has he been on already
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to see Schafer go and I hope he becomes something with the Astros
But we’ve got a World Series to win and no time to look back!
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
So when Bourn joins the roster
DFA Proctor???? We have 8 relievers on the team right now.
More likely sending down Varvaro though.
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
He is DFA proof
we’ve DFA’d him a couple of time and he’s still with the team
GM of the year?
The Dan Uggla trade
the michael bourn trade
then our relievers he picked up were nice…
Just about.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
GM of the decade
if he could eat all of Mclouth’s salary and trade him for a decent right handed bench player
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
With what he's been able to put together with our spending money
In my mind he’s the best. We’re a top five team in the Majors and we’re easily paying the least for our players. But that is a nod to the entire organization. Scouts, managers, coaches, FO.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Absolutely. We’re doing all this with half of the Phillies payroll. The Phillies have dug themselves into a hole where they aren’t going to be able to retain important players (e.g., Hamels) without busting the luxury-tax threshold. And I’m not at all convinced that their team finances can sustain that.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Hopefully their mini-dynasty will implode.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Nate and Lowe for Pujols? We still got a few hours.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
haha I know
I am asking too much for Mclouth to get moved.
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The only Wren trades I have disliked from the get-go
were the Kotchman and Gonzalez trades
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If Pastronicky pans out
I might come off the Gonzalez trade some
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Sea Bass/Yunel trade wasn't his idea
more than likely Bobby forcing his hand. Teixeira for Kotchman and Marek was bad for sure though
I'll freeking take it!
Cross CF off the list as far as needs to. Now, if we could only get a SS by 4pm today….LOL
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
Omar Infante, anyone?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
at the very least though...
This allows you to bat Gonzalez in the 8 hole where you can minimize the damage he does to your lineup. So by getting Bourne, you’ve helped yourself with the SS position, albeit indirectly.
by cheshire falcon on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And doesn't Sea Bass do well in the 8 hole?
Better than most guys.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
i'm not sure
McLouth did… he was one of those guys who if you can relieve the pressure of hitting at the top of the order, he starts to thrive. May be true of Gonzalez as well. Would be interesting to see some numbers on that.
by cheshire falcon on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
McLouth may be who I was thinking of.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Mclouth's OBP went up
because he tacked on the extra IBB
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not true
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
how you can say its not true…
it was more of a /sarcasm remark… but he was IBB at least a few times because he hits in front of the pitcher
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone in the 8 hole should see more balls
If they’re patient enough they can get on more.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
exactly
plus the extra IBB typically with RISP and 2 outs
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
when? the #s don't bear you out at least enough to make that difference
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
I am not saying that acounts for the entire difference of his OBP when batting lead-off vs 8 hole…
but it does help…
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That would certainly help. Clear the pitcher's spot though....
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
True.
I’d still like to see us trade an AAA reliever or two for Infante
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha....
so we would have essientially traded Mike Dunn, Scott Proctor, and two months of Omar Infante for Dan Uggla. Best. Deal. EVER!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think we can afford to give up the type of baserunner Proctor is.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
WOW
This is like the best case scenario…we get Bourne (who is a better fit than Pence and Beltran) without giving up any of core prospects.
Now for that reliever…I think the best case is to wait for a waiver guy in August and/or for a young guy such as Vizcaino or Hoover to step into that role.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
and we also got cash?
I wonder how much.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
probably just covered his contract for the year
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBTR
After seeing top outfield trade candidates Carlos Beltran and Hunter Pence land with National League rivals, Braves GM made a splash today by acquiring center fielder Michael Bourn and cash from the Astros for center fielder Jordan Schafer, southpaw Double-A starter Brett Oberholtzer, righty Double-A starter Paul Clemens, and righty Triple-A reliever Juan Abreu. The Astros announced the deal via press release.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
AND PROCTOR!!!
WIN!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
If we switched Proctor to Hitter and he could get on base, with Bourn, we'd have 500 steals.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Put him at short.
Helloooooo world series!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Frank Wren... Fantastic trade- when we're healthy...
Bourn
Prado
Jones
McCann
Freeman
Uggla
Heyward
Gonzalez
Now we just need that RH bench bat
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Lord. It's not fair.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I think we'll probably get Omar after the game today
or atleast around the 5th or 6th inning. We really couldn’t do it before then because it would leave them a player short
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can
My life will be complete
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd bump Chipper to 6th and move the others up
but that’s probably not happening
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno.
Freddi has batted him fourth several times, at least showing a willingness to not just bat him third because he is who he is. I think if Chipper comes back healthy and productive, we leave him there, but if he can’t get that average up to .275ish, he should be moved down. No disrespect, I love that man.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Very excited to see the new lineup with Bourne
in DC Monday night
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
I’m guessing that’s it for now. And we’ll look for a backup IF and RH reliever in August.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Im feeling one more.
Having Omar switch dugouts mid game today. We can’t get him now, cause that leaves them a man down for the game. I’m assuming that want him to try to get 5-6 innings in
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t make roster moves while a game is in progress.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
You can make trades
Or did you not see The Rockies game yesterday?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
CyborgHanson48 CYBORG HANSON TOMMY
HUMAN BOURN MICHAEL ACQUIRED VIA BASE BALL TRANSACTION TO REPLACE MCLOUTH NATE OUTS WITH BASEHITS & THEFTBASES & HOMEPLATE RUNS
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
THIS JUST IN
Constanza has convinced Wren that we need the team to wear cotton jerseys to increase productivity. They will be much more comfortable now and play much better. We’ll be sporting them starting next series.
by Theo Williams on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
oh man
the gift that keeps on giving… recd you sir
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
dont think he is the fastest
but definitively one of the most effective
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Proctor?
He’s leading in stolen bases if that’s anything.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Chris Johnson gets offended when you call anyone else fast
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
this
ever seen Jeff Demps at the university of Flordia… oh my
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could swoop in and grab that LHP hitting bench bat…oh my would I be happy
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
no Ludwick
Cleveland getting close on deal for Ludwick. Deal not complete yet, according to source.
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
really just need a bench bat
a Matt Diaz type
by UltimaParadox on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want a middle reliever
Even though Peter may be back soon. I’m very concerned about Venters. I’m worried his recent (admittedly small) struggles are not just a patch, but a pattern for the rest of the year due to his heavy work load the first half.
"Chipper Jones is better than me." -- David Wright
What?
He’s been lights out until yesterday, which may have been more due to rest than anything.
I agree we need a reliever. But just DFAing Proctor and keeping Varvaro or bringing up Vizcaino or someone will solve that
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe just the recent ones I’ve seen have been a little rougher — I prob should have done more extensive research on it, but even so, I’m still concerned. I don’t agree with Keith Law on everything, but I agree with his earlier statements about how his arm is being killed.
"Chipper Jones is better than me." -- David Wright
So whats up with this Boras dude?
I keep hearing people say that we will not be able to resign Bourn because of his agent, so is it because Boras doesnt like us or he will ask for too much money? Do we already know we are not going to for this reason or is it just speculation? And also do you guys think more deals are to come?
Boras will get us to pay more than Wren wants to.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
IF Bourn wants to stay, it's Bourn's final decision what he gets paid/demands.
But that’d be too much to ask for in this world.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Manning, Peyton.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I present you "Salary Cap"
Manning wouldn’t have gotten much more somewhere else. Teams don’t have the money. In MLB it’s a lot different. There are no max caps as there are in NFL or the NBA. If the Yankees offer (or anyone else) I would be pleasantly surprised if Bourn didn’t take.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Good point.
But with the Braves restrictions, its almost like a salary cap. If Bourn wants to stay, and would accept less, then I don’t think it’s out of options to believe he would.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
My pessimism is showing its ugly little head. Also, I’m not sure Bourn will be able to demand THAT much money. We may resign him even if he doesn’t take a cut.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
We almost have too.
We no longer have a team controlled guy for 4-5 years.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be great if Wren worked something out with Bourn/Boras
either by the end of this season (unlikely?) or in the offseason.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Its possible
But I think it will be a while before Wren hands out another deal before seeing how a guy starts off. (We can all laugh about it now, Danny)
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We have several guys on our team now that are Boras clients
we might as well learn to play nice with him. A new owner with a $100-120 million payroll budget wouldn’t hurt either.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't have said it better.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Boras is all about his commission. He always, always pushes his players to take the highest offer no matter what. He doesn’t mind pushing a player to do something that will hurt the player’s career as long as he, Boras, gets his cut. He’s an agent of very dubious ethics; he got caught a few years ago presenting forged birth certificates for some Caribbean players he was representing. Several teams got spanked by the commissioner’s office before anyone realized what Boras was up to, and the Braves narrowly dodged that bullet.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
I remember that.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
We'll have him for a year and a half.
Arbitration next year, then free agent.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Ok so atleast he is not just a few months rental. This puts us in a good spot to win the WS.
And we still got him for a WS run next year
Yup, that's why it's so much better than Beltran who I don't think Wren ever took seriously.
I think the only player out there who really is head and shoulders better than Bourn is Kemp, and I don’t think he was ever an option.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Are you sure? lol
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
its two tabs away
but its coming
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Wren needs to continue making deals….can’t believe he is taking time out to do an interview.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm impatient, lol
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
We Have Vizzy…. I think he’ll be up for september to become a great reliever for the postseason. Moylan may be back soon… we’re not trading for a reliever….
wishing we get ludwick…
I would love for Arodis Vizcaino to be a K-Rod like guy for us in the playoffs.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Schafer turns KJ on the NL
Best of luck to you Jordan, BEAST THE NL PITCHING!!!
[only built for cuban linx]
a super streaky Braves prospect that we gave an extremely long leash in relative to production? He IS Kelly Johnson
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Wren live now
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
I like the sound of that "21 game hitting streak"
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
And you not at all, lol
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I don't know that I like that.
If we are gonna do anything, lets get it done today. Our record is so good, its gonna be hard for us to get anyone because of how many other teams they will be available for before us.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That comment alludes to waiver trades, but could be promotions from the farm just as easily. Vizcaino has already switched to a bullpen role, etc. Could be some simple moves to get the right people a place on the postseason-eligible roster.
Outside of a replacement for Lugo, I don’t know how much you can do with the team. Proctor will obviously be jettisoned at some point, but he/Lugo are really the only upgradeable spots, unless you’re willing to part ways w/ Linebrink/Sherrill. I don’t foresee that being an option, as they could easily get picked up by another contender when DFA’ed.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I think Lugo is the only obvious upgrade
and the answer is in the other dugout.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Linebrink and Sherrill have done a good job for us, so I’m in no hurry to move them. Both are FAs at the end of the season and I don’t think Linebrink will be retained due to his contract situation, so there will be spots in the bullpen opening up.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
He's essentially Moylan when healthy
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's not healthy then he's still essentially Moylan.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
hmmm.
Zing.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant
“he’s essentially a healthy Moylan”
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, just joshin' ya.
That is a really good compliment to the guy.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Yeah so if we think Moylan is going to come back strong
there’s not much need to get Ziegler. In fact if Cory Gearrin is used correctly, he should be up in the bigs in place of the useless Proctor. Of course, we know Fredi won’t use him correctly so why bother.
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldstein says Bourn is better defensively and speed wise than Schafer. I guess I will be finding a way to watch tomorrows game.
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bell to Rangers
and not to Phils. Good news.
Actually Adams, not Bell
Rosenthal misinformed
by Theo Williams on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm wow
I went to bed last night thinking I’d be happy giving them Minor, Hoover, Schafer, and Lipka…..wow, just wow.
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
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