Braves Shifting Trade Focus Towards Acquiring A Center Fielder
by gondeee on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT
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PrintThe news of the Nate McLouth injury last night might have been the last bit of wind needed to finally shift the trade focus of the Atlanta Braves from a corner outfielder to a center fielder -- something that they perhaps should have been targeting all along. Jordan Schafer was being evaluated through what seemed like rose-colored glasses by the Braves, and the team seems to have no idea what to do with Nate McLouth. Now that both are out for the next two weeks and perhaps longer, the need to acquire a starting Major League center fielder was put into sharp focus last night as Jose Constanza made his Big League debut.
ESPN's Buster Olney has this to say in his morning column regarding the Braves trade needs:
The Braves missed out on Carlos Beltran, and then Pence, and so now they will presumably pluck one of the lower-tier outfielders who are available -- and in light of the injury to Nate McLouth and the physical problems that have nagged Jordan Schaefer, acquiring a center fielder is a priority, which is why they have had interest in Bourn, Denard Span and Coco Crisp. Their level of interest in B.J. Upton is unclear, but the Rays are willing to move Upton at a price more modest than that of Pence.
Bourn seems to be out of the Braves price range, as the Astros would certainly continue to hold Atlanta's feet to the fire and insist they give up one of their top four pitching prospects -- Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Mike Minor, and Randall Delgado (The Four Horsemen of the Pitchpocalypse). Upton is a very intriguing, though were Atlanta to acquire him they would have to believe he would be able to increase his production away from Tampa Bay. They would also have to hope that the Rays would accept a trade for one of the Braves second tier of pitching prospects -- Brett Oberholtzer, J.J. Hoover, Zeke Spruill, and Carlos Perez.
There's also been some mention of the A's Coco Crisp, and if the Braves truly don't value on-base percentage then he would be the guy to get. But he seems like a fallback option should something not get worked out for Upton or Bourn. Span seems like a far off option, and aside from idle speculation there have been no rumors linking the Braves and the Twins.
Certainly the pressure on Frank Wren and the Braves front office has increased, not only because of the injuries to both of their center fielders, but also because they lost out on Hunter Pence and Carlos Beltran to two teams they would likely see in any path through the postseason.
I also don't find it unusual that the Braves haven't made a move yet. When they are constantly having to say no to teams when they ask about the Four Horsemen, Atlanta has to sell these other teams on the other prospects in their system, and that takes time. But only time will tell if they are successful in trading for an impact player or two while also holding onto their top four pitchers. Ultimately they may have to part with one or more of those arms if they want to assemble a team that can compete with Philly and San Fran.
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But according to Ken Rosenthal, the Astros wanted TWO of Minor/Teheran/Delgado/Vizcaino AND another young pitcher for Hunter Pence. I’m so, so glad we didn’t do that deal. I’m just surprised to see how little they actually took from the Phillies if that was their asking price from Atlanta.
http://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/97138560003608576
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I have a theory
They essentially took the Phillies two best prospects (not counting Dom Brown). So they wanted the Braves two best prospects as well. The fact that the Braves have a better farm system worked against them when dealing with an idiot GM
by DreamWithinADream on Jul 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And don't forget...
they had to send the Phillies cash!
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No mention of Marlon Byrd?
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He’s on our radar apparently: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/latest-on-braves-outfield-targets.html
Bourn seems to be out of the Braves price range, as the Astros would certainly continue to hold Atlanta’s feet to the fire and insist they give up one of their top four pitching prospects — Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Mike Minor, and Randall Delgado (The Four Horsemen of the Pitchpocalypse).
Why is giving up one of those four out of our price range?
As long as it’s not Teheran I’d pull the trigger. It’s time to trade what we have for what we need.
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Because you are more short-sighted than the organization in evaluating the team’s needs.
It’s okay, nearly everyone is.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
The organization offered to give one of the four up… So clearly I’m only as short-sighted as them.
Be more condescending please.
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Wow, that didn't work.
The organization offered to give one of the four up… So clearly I’m only as short-sighted as them.
Be more condescending please.
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I'll try...
Let’s say Bourn puts up 5 WAR this season, 1.4 of which is with the Braves. That’s about $6.5MM worth of production, pretty darn good. Let’s say he puts up 5 WAR next season as well, that comes to $22.5MM in value for a total of $29MM, minus about $1MM in salary this season and $7MM next season for a net gain of +22MM. I’m not going to get into compensation picks because most people think this is the last year that exists…once the new CBA hits, it’s going to be dramatically different.
Now let’s look at Minor, one of the top four that most agree isn’t one of the top two. So a fair candidate.
In 14 starts, he’s put up 1.4 WAR and $6.2MM in value without using any of his service years. That puts him at ~3WAR/season, but I’m not going to go that far. I’m going to temper expectations and put him @ 2 WAR/season for his first three years. That’s just a little above his floor, and well below his ceiling.
Each of those seasons is worth $9MM in production while he gets the minimum. So, those three years earn a projected value of $27MM for the price of ~$1.4MM. A net gain of +$25.6MM, more than Bourn’s value to the team with career-highs in production. And that’s just at a value a little above Minor’s floor.
Then you have three more years…let’s say salaries of $4, 7, and 10MM. $21MM total. Let’s say he doesn’t even improve, which is highly unlikely. He’s still earning another $5MM or so at that level, making the net loss of trading Minor for Bourn at about $10MM if he never comes close to reaching his ceiling. If he is worth even 3 WAR during his arbitration years, you can double that loss.
So, by being short-sighted, you’ve cost the organization millions upon millions of dollars in production…all for a guy that gives a couple extra percent boost to the team’s chances of making the playoffs this season and next (the Braves are pretty likely to make the playoffs with or without Bourn in 2011 or 2012).
But most are putting the package at Minor + prospects, so you’ve gone ahead and given up six more years of service time for another player or two that could help the team.
So, after your one-trade stint as GM, would you keep yourself?? I wouldn’t.
To be sure, a trade for Bourn can be made as the Braves have a handful of other pitching prospects that would still rank in the Stros top 3-5 spots. It just shouldn’t be for one of the top four.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post
but I laid a scenario similiar to yours with him and justin, it didn’t work it. I forgot logic is not allowed here
To get Bourn we are going to have to give up Minor/Delgado/Vizcaino assuming Teheran is off the table. If I’m Wren, I’m selling high on Vizcaino right now and trying to include him as the centerpiece in any big deal like for Bourn because I think he ultimately ends up in the pen
If I’m Wren, I see what Carlos Perez and another piece gets me. He slots higher than any other pitching prospect of theirs, with the exception of Cosart.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Bingo, shoot for Perez, OberholtzerHoover, package
and see if it’ll work, maybe add a Myke Jones, or a Milligan. I’d consider Minor or Delgado straight up too, but I’d try for two of the lesser guys.
As for which of the 3 from the “big 4” to move (assuming teheran is the clear top dog of that quartet and not going anywhere), that’s all personal opinion. Vizcaino has the best stuff, but may be the most suspect due to his injuries. Minor seems like he has the lowest upside of the 3, but also the highest ceiling. Delgado is kind of a split the baby, not as much upside as Viz but more than Minor, but his AA struggles give pause and may make someone think to move him before his value suffers further.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Excellent analysis
You could do a similar analysis based on the values in this post: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/20/950254/which-is-better-compensation
I like this system out of the gate for prospects in their first year or two, but feel it falters a bit once a given player has shown significant development, decreasing his bust probability. It’s pretty clear at this time that none of the big four will fail to make the big leagues at some point, and the values given in the article account for the high probability that any random player will bust.
For the Phillies prospects, this would be a great system as they are all still at lower levels. For guys that are on the cusp of the big leagues, it doesn’t work as well, imo.
I would guess that Viz/Delgado are 2013-ready, barring injuries (a legitimate factor in gauging their values…pitchers get hurt). Either could be up before then, and Delgado has been already, but they may fit more into this system of valuing prospects much better than Minor/Teheran.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
You worked too hard, this post has value but shouldn't be directed at what I said.
You said I was being more short-sighted than the organization.
I noted that what I had suggested was something the organization was clearly open to, so I clearly wasn’t being any more or less short-sighted than the organization itself. I was just defending myself because you insulted me.
Nothing you said changes that.
You’re either calling the organization short-sighted or you’re not calling me short-sighted, because I agree with their previously mentioned notion of offering Minor. Make up your mind, is all I’m saying.
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No.
The organization was willing to throw one in for Pence. There’s been no such speculation on Bourn. The two aren’t the same, particularly because of Pence’s extra year of service time.
That said, I think throwing one in for Pence is short-sighted.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
The post you replied to telling me I was MORE short-sighted than the organization said
Why is giving up one of those four out of our price range?
As long as it’s not Teheran I’d pull the trigger. It’s time to trade what we have for what we need.
I’m willing the throw in ONE, they’ve been willing to throw in one… we are equally short-sighted. Why are you making it seem like I’ve said something I haven’t said just to argue?
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thing is diminishing costs...
we can get that same production out of a similarly priced minimum wage pitcher. We don’t have a CF who can give us similar production to Bourn unless you think Schafer is gonna somehow turn into something more than he’s been so far. Basically, by moving Minor for Bourn, you don’t lose all that stuff you said because we can get the same thing out of Delgado, or Oberholtzer, or [insert name of one of our plethora of pitching prospects]. But we can’t get Bourn’s production anywhere else. That’s why you’d do it. Now, if they start whining for Delgado or even a Hoover or Oberholtzer, I’d balk. He’s worth one of the top 4, or two of the second tier, but not both.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I paid dearly for it this time...
Just write that everywhere someone’s used sarcasm font, why don’t you!
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LOL
No only because the past 2 times you tried you use it you kind of failed hahahahaahahaha
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The first time wasn’t bad…. :(
But yeah I didn’t know you couldn’t type something in half sarcasm font half not.
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Some of the things people are saying right now though...
If I don’t get sarcastic I’m going to get angry.
Like the guy up there that called me more short-sighted than the organization for agreeing with something the FO has already shown they would do… And still hasn’t apologized… Feelings… hurt. :(
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I hear ya
That guy -C can be a real dick
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by HansonManCrush on Jul 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You people with your signatures.
-SN
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Haha
I only do it when -C is being rude haha
-HMC
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by HansonManCrush on Jul 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also wouldn’t mind him being rude as much if we were at all correct.
-SN
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What's with all the pretentiousness?
-RB
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
All these pretzels are making me thirsty.
by Gene_Parmesan on Jul 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Put your money into...
WAFFLES!! WAFFLES!! TASTY, TASTY, WAFFLES!!
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It'sssssssss....
BACON!
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Delgado and Lipka/Simmons for Bourn??? From the talk of the Astros’ fans they apparently need a SS.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
So do we, lol
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
At this point I am down with Bourn
I know he is LH instead of RH but he projects well in CF and as a leadoff hitter and we could shift focus on acquiring maybe a RH hitting SS in the off season.
Quentin is off the market I think with the White Sox in contention so at this point it should be primarily about getting the best available piece period.
War Eagle
He's a LH who hits LHP better than any of the RH we're looking at.
I could give a shit about which side of the box he stands in, his splits are what matter.
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Er, not quite...
Chris Denorfia and Reed Johnson both hit LH pitching significantly better than Bourn does. However, Bourn does not have a large platoon split, so he’s more of an everyday player than Norf or Johnson. (Oddly, Bourn’s one HR this year was off of a LH.)
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Do not forget that he is also a multiple GG winner
so no diminish in Defense
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 30, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
NL source says the Braves would have included Mike Minor as part of a deal for Hunter Pence. #trades
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Getting Cosart in the Pence deal says otherwise
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by rocket8188 on Jul 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
except he may need to be shut down now...
there are big ?s about Cozart, and I’d have demanded Brown and Singleton before asking for him.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
They wanted Minor AND one of Teheran/Delgado/Vizcaino
According to Rosenthal. Insane.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Delgado, Minor, Lipka, and Hoover for Bourn
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
I would be okay with that
but probably wouldn’t take that much
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
If it honestly wouldn't take that much and we don't do it.
I’m going to punch a hole through a wall.
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Reason being
if we wouldn’t include two of the top 4 for Pence, I doubt we would do it for Bourn
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
If im FW, im willing to add a little sweetener to the deal
to get it done.
Both Bourn and Upton would be huge additions to our team, IMO.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Bourn? Yes. Upton? Probably not. We are looking to win now,not gamble on potential.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
His D is better than Schafer or McLouth
and he has more power than either combined. Plus his BABIP this season is down considerably compared to his career average.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
I just don’t see him as a difference maker like Bourn is.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton has had a 5 WAR season
Bourn has not. While Bourn is damn good, Upton is just as good IMO
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
he has had one
he hasn’t been remotely good since, meanwhile Bourn has compiled a WAR over 13 the past 3 years
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I’m terrible at all of the acronyms and obviously don’t follow stats as close as most of you, but someone remind me what WAR is please. I’ve completely forgotten.
Wins over A Replacement
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Above, not what I said
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Wins above replacement
basically how much more wins he provides over what an average MiLB replacement would do, meanwhile based on that Bourn has been the best CF in the MLB since 2009
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Bourn also had a .2 the same year Upton had 5
Upton’s WAR has been 13 the past 3 years too.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
I don't see why that year really matters at this point
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
It shows
what Upton is capable of.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
but we aren't looking at potential right now
we are looking for results
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
His wRC+ is better than Bourn
Which could be a product of Bourn being on the Astros.
But Upton also has a better wOBA the past couple years, I believe.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Bourn: .342, .319, .355
Upton: .310, .337, .319
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No probs...
I have about 10 pages open on fangraphs right now as it is.
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actually 4 years, including this year
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
compiling it in 3 years > compiling it in 4 years
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Bourn has had a 4.9 and a 4.8 and is on pace for 5+ this year.
So please pick a slightly more arbitrary number to say "Bourn has not."
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I just like that I get to type at least one place on the internet where there’s a set way to express sarcasm. :D
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I think that's the opposite of sarcasm though
You shouldn’t have to let people know it’s sarcasm, because if they can’t notice sarcasm than most of the time they are a dummy hahahahah
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Well Mr. Bourn-Hasn’t-Had-A-5-WAR-Season-But-He’s-Had-Two-Really-Close wasn’t looking too bright. :D
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Did I say Bourn hasnt gotten close?
I said he hasnt had a 5 WAR season like Upton, which is true.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
which is kind of a strawman argument
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
So you're saying you knew...
And were purposely trying to hoodwink people into taking your side using a completely arbitrary number?
I’m not sure that’s actually any better…
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Absolutely not
2 0f the 4 top pitchers is WAY too much for Bourn. Thats what they wanted for Pence and the Braves didn’t bite (thank goodness). Take out Delgado or Minor and then I’ll be ok with that deal
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
as would Ed Wade IMO
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
It's a little too much.
But not WAY too much. Bourn may be worth less to the Astros than Pence but he should be worth more to the Braves.
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Thats true
But I don’t see Bourn being worth two of the top 4 guys. I don’t know why a guy like Minor (who is major league ready pretty much) plus some second tier pitching and a position player like a Lipka is not a great deal for Michael Bourn.
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I would let one of the Four Horseman and a B-level prospect go for Bourn. It might be a bit of an overpay, but we can afford it and it’s unlikely to come back to bite us. I really don’t think the Astros are going to be contenders anytime soon.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
True
I just don’t want them to do for Bourn what they didn’t do for Pence, which is overpay. The Astros are being ridiculous with their asking prices IMO
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I still think the Phillies overpaid for Pence and will regret it eventually, although it depends on who the two PTBN are (I keep hearing one of them will be Worley, which will make it a definite overpay).
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
IMO
the Phillies did what they needed to do, Singleton was blocked so the little they did overpay isn’t that big of a deal, they replaced Werth for the next 2 years, which is what they needed to do
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I wouldn’t be cool with that. Seeing as thats more than what they wanted for Pence and Bourn may be better by stats buy his value is apparently lower than Pence for some reason.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty much exactly what they wanted for Pence, actually.
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Reports are
they are asking for a lot, but not as much as for Pence, Hence it shouldn’t cost as much
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2 of our top 4. Another highly regarded P and a lower minor league prospect. Lipka is a little more than just a lower minor league prospect.
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by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, that's probably pretty close of what they wanted for Pence.
We know they wanted 2 of 4, you can fill in the rest.
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Well lets just agree that that would have brought Pence to ATL, and seeing as how Pence was our first choice over Bourn we probably aren’t going to be willing to part with those prospects now.
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by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Pence was really our first choice
or we would have done what it took to make sure we got him instead of Philly, even Wren said before he isn’t our top priority
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I’m surprised the Phillies didn’t have to give up another guy. Well…..there is the “player to be named later”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We have an actual need in CF now, though
Offer a proposal that forces the Astros to make a decision
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The Astros have all the reasons in the world to trade Bourn. We just have to make a better offer than the competition. He isn’t some untouchable we are trying to pry away.
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by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we had an actual need in CF before as well....
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While we all realized this
injuries have made an actual hole that the team needs to fill. Hopefully, they get Bourn or Upton and maybe trade Schafer in the deal.
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Can't
Schafer is on the DL and you can’t trade a guy on the DL
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
realized that after I posted it.
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Could be done that way, yes
IIRC you have six months to finish a trade that has a PTBNL in it.
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NO NO NONOONONONONONONNOOOOOOOO.gif
That’s more than Pence’s asking price, ffs.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
This
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It took so long to scroll up to see what this was a reply to...
:D
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that's what the up button is for...
lazy journalist’s know this.
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by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wow...
Never knew what that did… I’ll go to time out in the corner now.
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I'm going to make you write a hundred times....
I will use the up button feature… I will use the up button feature… That should help you remember. :-)
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by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
id love Zobrist
but im pretty sure the Rays arent listening to offers on him
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No thanks on the Viz for Maybin. I think the organization is betting on Viz to work in the bullpen and that why we aren’t looking for relief help anymore. Plus I’d be scared to trade Viz for all the upside he has, and I certainly wouln’t trade him for Maybin.
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by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
Vizcaino for Maybin? done deal
I could be down for that
but I am really excited to see him in our bullpen
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Padres say no
But the Braves would be stupid not to offer that
tweet from Olney
NL source says the Braves would have included Mike Minor as part of a deal for Hunter Pence. #trades
Looks like the request for a 2nd of the 4 was why we said no. Good job FW.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Bourn has more value than Pence
so, im glad they declined to include the 2nd.
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I would LOVE to see Byrd in a Braves uni, batting helmet
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
I think Gammons said a while back
Braves talked about him but the Cubs said they aren’t trading him, which is stupid IMO
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The Cubs are idiots. Even moreso if they think they have a shot to Win within (….I’ll be nice) the next 4 years.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton
I’m not sure the Rays want to trade him, but he’d be the perfect fit for us!
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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That’s not the Upton I would want. Just from what I’ve heard about how they approach the game. Rays Upton might be a bad influence on some guys.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays are also a team of young players
You think guys like Chipper, McCann, Ross, Hudson, Moylan will let Upton be a bad influence
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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When does BJ start making more money?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean is he still under control? I have no idea what he makes.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think same as Bourn
last year of Arb next year but ill look it up
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I don't know either
But we are losing KKs contract, Possibly Chippers Contract, and if we can dump Lowe a portion of his contract. That’s gotta be around $20 million in salary relief
We will have plently of money for him
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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his last arb year is next year
making 4.8 this year
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so his arb year is after next year, or next year?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he is under team control next year
then FA
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Then as a last resort, maybe.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing Nate too, right?
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We could pay him his 10.65 million club option!
He has a 1.25 million buyout
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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(cough) hopefully (cough)
ahem. excuse me.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he hasn't been that good in TB
and while he has excellent tools, so does Desmond Jennings
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My whole isssue with Wren and the Horsemen
What the hell are they gonna do at the beginning of next season? You’ll have 7 maybe 8 pitchers for 5 slots. Vizcaino can play in the pen, maybe. For our hopes this year and to remove the clusterfuvk next season move Beachy or Minor or Delgado for anything that’ll help us win this year. Anything.
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by rocket8188 on Jul 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think Delgado
will be ready by OD next year, probably gonna be making some moves in the offseason as well, but I agree it is kind of ridiculous how much depth we have
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They've shown they're willing to give up at least one of them.
So I don’t see a big issue.
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If it weren’t for Cashman’s dumbass, the Yanks would probably take on Lowe during the offseason.
If we win the WS, that could change.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe J.J. is going to get dealt this offseason. After that Minor will be the 5th starter. Teheran and Delgado will start the season in AAA. Lowe will get dealt at next years deadline and Teheran will get the call.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
teheran should be in the rotation next year
not doing so is wasting his time, he will have an entire season of AAA under his belt, and he has been dominant in AAA so far…
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by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know if it's wasting time
If he continues to get better as he ages, then putting off his full-time assignment for even one more year means he’ll be lights out whenever he breaks the rotation.
Not that I don’t want very much to trade Derek Lowe this offseason.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Hopefully trade Lowe and keep Jurrjens. However, whenever he goes, I will miss Derek Lowe. He’s solid.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
……“trade Lowe and keep Jurrjens”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You could be right
Of course, writers have been saying all year that the Braves should trade JJ while his value is high, although that will depend somewhat on these last two months of the season. I’d hate to see JJ go after everything that’s happened, but there is a risk in continuing to play him given his injury history, and sometimes you have to do what’s best for the whole organization.
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Off season trades are not nearly
as expensive, prospect wise, as mid season trades. We’d get a lot more for them then, and I approve this approach if that’s what wren is thinking
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by Kineticist on Jul 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: In the NFL the salaries of Franchise Tag players still count towards the Salary Cap right?
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Not OT: When did they go from being the Big Three to the Four Horseman?
Minor wasn’t included in the group at the beginning of the season.
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I think the fact that he is ML ready and a lefty puts his value high (as a trade chip anyways). Teams will want a guy that is ML ready so they can show their fans a tangible part of a trade
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
and the fact he is controlled for like 6 years
is a huge plus
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I'm not really asking why...
I’m just asking when…
Because I really think it’s been within the last week or two.
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I think its kind of one in the same. Minor is up there because he has more value to the Braves as a trade chip. We are in trade mode now, so Wren isn’t going to use his best expendable chip for what he perceives as an unworthy trade
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I think there was an assumption back in March that Minor would spend most of the season in Atlanta, filling in for injured pitchers, and that by the end of the season the “prospect” tag wouldn’t apply anymore. But, since our rash of May oblique injuries, our pitchers have been very healthy and Minor hasn’t been needed in Atlanta much.
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My take on the CFs who appear to be available
Ranking them in order of who appears to be the best fit for the Braves’ current need (not necessarily who is the best overall player): Denorfia, Johnson, Bourn, Upton, Span, Byrd, Crisp. Norf and Johnson rank at the top because they both kill LH pitching and are cheap, but they’d probably be platooned with Schafer. Bourn or Upton would probably replace Schafer. I’d rank Span higher if I wasn’t concerned about his concussion. Crisp = big contract and falling off the face of the cliff; do not want.
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I wouldn't touch Reed Johnson with a 10 foot pole.
I suppose I wouldn’t mind him if we got him basically for free, but he was a terrible hitter last year, and this year he’s walking less than Alex Gonzalez while posting a .414 BABIP. I’m not giving up anything to get him. He’s also on the wrong side of 30, so his defense isn’t what it used to be.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Valid points
I’m not saying Johnson would be a long term option, and his numbers are being inflated some by Wrigley which is one reason I rate him behind Denorfia. I look at Johnson as someone who could platoon with Schafer while Jordan continues to develop as a hitter. And Johnson has good consistent numbers against LH pitching; in the seasons where he sucked overall, it was because he didn’t hit righthanders. I’m aware of the BABIP thing but he’s done that his whole career. I’ll bet we could get him without giving up any of the Four Horsemen.
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He has absolutely NOT done the BABIP thing his whole career
2007: .290
2008: .360
2009: .281
2010: .336
2011: .414
We could get him, and he could revert back to a .300 BABIP and be basically useless since he has limited power and doesn’t walk very much.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Well, one of McLouth, Schafer, or Chipper. I’m not sure who might be back first. If Chipper can get going again, then:
against LH we have Prado in LF and Norf/Johnson in CF;
against RH we have Hinske in LF and Prado in CF.
If we got McLouth or Schafer back, then:
against LH, we have Norf/Johnson in CF, Prado in LF, and Conrad at 3B;
against RH, we have McLouth/Schafer in CF, Hinske in LF, and Prado at 3B.
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YES
#Braves like Coco Crisp as rental-player possibility due to the CF injury problems (Schafer and McLouth both on DL)
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Wouldn't mind him, but I wish we could do better.
Surely there’s an actual above-average hitter out there, somewhere.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
not sure
im as excited about that one as you
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I'm not
I forgot to use sarcasm font on that one. I just feel like this is a sign that the Braves are just doing anything and everything to NOT get Michael Bourn, despite what we all think
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but then has much in this trading cycle/handling of Schafer, Heyward etc. suggested that they were smart?
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The part where Fredi said he didn't know the OBP of his three starting outfielders
And thought the guy with the lowest OBP in fact had the highest one, and then went on to say that they were all “virtually the same.”
No, wait, that’s the opposite of suggesting that they’re smart.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Another pointlessly RH bat that can't hit LHP
2011 vs LHP: .237/.313/.322/.635
.315 wOBA and 1.5 WAR
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Why do people always look at one year splits and say "Oh, he can't hit Lefties."
For his career, he’s hit lefties slightly better than righties.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Well in this situation...
I’d say because we’re apparently talking about a two month rental… so I care how he’s playing now.
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You have to deal with the fact that in-season splits aren't very meaningful
He could very well START hitting lefties better than righties any day now. He’s done it over the full length of his career, so why assume that 131 PAs are telling an important story?
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Thats like Stevie Wonder
saying he can drive better with his eyes open than closed. His splits arent that much different against lefties or righties, along with not being that great.
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I have a feeling that the FO can’t get past the fact that Bourn is a lefty. They all see to have the Bobby Cox blind matchup syndrome (love Bobby, but that one got him in trouble a lot. Aubrey Huff cough cough)
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But what really doesn’t make sense in that is the fact he will be replacing a LH bat. So, that should be seen as a wash, but a much better upgrade to what we currently have. He can always pick up a RH bat for the bench for cheap.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
No kidding
But hey, that would make too much sense. And what do we know? We all live in our respective mother’s basement!
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me this is all a smokescreen...
The Indians and Reds are the main suitors for Bourn right now, tweets Stephen Goff of Examiner.com, but he’d be surprised if the center fielder is traded.
The Braves are not one of the main teams in on Bourn yet, tweets Rosenthal.
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
Well... I just sent DoB this tweet:
Bourn Bourn Bourn Bourn Bourn (Tell the FO) Bourn Bourn Bourn Bourn Bourn
So I think we’re all set.
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Why has it taken you this long to tell them if you have so much influence??? You could have helped us all avoid all of these headaches…
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably. I think Houston has been using the rumor mill pretty heavily to try and get what they want. All of that about Brown yesterday was definitely an attempt to get more clubs involved and drive up the price. They, like the Mets, worked very hard to get their number one want, which was the Braves pitchers.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
This is just my feeling (cue Fredi G reference)
But it almost seems like a bad thing we have all of this pitching that other teams want. Not bad in that we have depth, but bad that it seems like the teams want them so bad that they get greedy and try and get too much from us with not enough from them.
When we balk at their demands, they take a lesser deal from another team. Just a thought and probably not correct, but just something thats crossed my mind
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t think you are wrong. They desire our prospects, but over-reach. I really do think that is what is going on.
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We should ask cincy about chris heisey
Probably not as expensive as the other guys and plays all outfield spots well defensively .he also has good pop in his bat
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Cincy isn’t selling.
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Not that I don't agree.
But they’ve set several times they’re not selling.
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If they do get Bourn they are going to have a spare part OF.
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Smoltz for Alexander
Is the 3rd most memorable trade on mlb network.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Have they gotten to Barker for Butler/Jacoby/Behena yet (cringe)?
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Honestly, at this point, I’d rather just stand pat. If we can’t acquire a serious impact bat, then lets just keep all our prospects. The Phillies and Giants are insanely good (the Giants might even be better, don’t underestimate the acquisition of Keppinger) and Ludwick or Willingham or any other piece of scrap metal doesn’t put us in their league. Unless we can get a Bourn or an Upton, then I think we are better off standing pat and hoping for some guys to get hot at the right time and seeing how far that takes us this year.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
Quentin?
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i like that idea
however, we will need to move some pitching (JJ + Lowe) this offseason for bats, preferrably a CF + LF.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If the FO ends up really trying for Bourn... Does anybody else feel like they've fallen ass backwards towards the best option?
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At this point
that looks like one seriously big if. But Bourn is far and away the best option.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBTR
The Braves are not one of the main teams in on Bourn yet, tweets Rosenthal.
“The Nationals, Braves, Indians and Reds are among the clubs with varying levels of interest in Bourn,” report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Indians are the new suitor here.
Ken Rosenthal is confused.
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I WANT TO BE A MAIN TEAM!
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washingnats
I was told the #Astros want Major League-ready prospects for Michael Bourn. No sure if the #Nats are willing to do that.
I am
HAVE MIKE MINOR… AND LOGAN! HE’S TOTALLY MLB READY.
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…and that deserves a “make it happen FW”.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
minor, hoover/oberholtzer(hear scouts really like him) and someone from triple A we won't need.
make it happen wren.
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it's Upton
or…God Willing…Kemp?
would a Hanson + Minor + Salcedo for Kemp deal annoy anyone
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
That deal makes no sense for Upton.
For Kemp… eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
No.
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fair enough
but for Kemp? Seems like it could work. Hanson’s got team control for awhile (at least 2-3 years) + Minor AND a high upside guy in the minors that hte Dodgers can let play.
They get much cheaper (but arguably BETTER as they can bring up T. Robinson + Sands next year).
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
even though it does say "for Kemp"
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kemp: Minor, Delgado, and two other “lesser” pieces in our top 50. And pray the Dodgers are still desperate for cash.
Upton: Remove … something from that prior list. I think you might be able to drive that deal down slightly based on the Rasmus trade.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Teheran does too
and he’s controllable for 4-5 years MORE.
gotta give up stuff to get it.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kemp=Top 10 player in game. RHP CF fills 2 needs and he is does it at an extremely high level
Hanson=Very good pitcher, but we have an extreme surplus of pitching
I’d do Hanson, Minor, Lipka, and some for Kemp
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
.
That might be a worthwhile trade, but...
Right now no GM in his right mind is going to try to make a deal for Kemp, given the Dodgers’ situation. Too many extraordinary risks… the commissioner’s office might void the deal if they don’t think the Dodgers get enough present and future value, or if they just think that Kemp being gone will kill the Dodgers attendance. Or, Jamie McCourt could get an injunction and veto the trade — and that could happen weeks or months later. Or a court might rule that a Dodgers’ bankruptcy voids Kemp’s contract and make him a free agent.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Stark
Wouldn’t be a shock if #Braves made no move for a bat – but they’re trying. Today’s Daily Rumble now up at espn.com http://t.co/5qb19B3
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Just not an option at this point… WE NEED A CF!!!
I’m getting antsy over here… in case anybody can’t tell.
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I'm also hungry
That aint helping.
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If they fall short on the big guys I'm expecting at least something small.
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From Stark's article...
Are [the Braves] aggravated that the price tag Houston asked them for — reportedly four of their top pitching prospects, two from their “untouchable” tier and two from the next tier down — seemed as if it was steeper than what the Phillies paid? You bet.
Hmmmm…. if that’s really the case, then (a) apparently the Astros are not as miffed over the Ozwalt trade with Philly as we thought, and (b) we might not be hard after them for Bourn if they were hammering us about getting Pence.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Come on Wren...
Don’t let your personal feelings get in the way!
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Ed Wade, current Astros GM, former Phillies GM...
maybe that’s why they got sweetheart deals for Oswalt and Pence.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
mlbtraderumors
Price Won’t Be Too High On Ludwick http://bit.ly/qqU0VQ #mlb
seems like the magic words for FW
Ludwick sucks.
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perhaps playing in San Diego when they're rebuilding "sucks"?
guy was a 4.5 WAR player in 2008.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And has never had a WAR above 2.4 or an OPB above .339 outside of that year… Getting players based on one year of significance… Lowe… McLouth… sure has worked out well for us.
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Alright, that’s a semi unfair assessment of Lowe, but 2008 was the year that really made us want him.
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Lowe had a very solid CAREER to go on. And the type of pitcher he was translated well even if he was going to be older. The McLouth comparison is fair, but not really for Lowe
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to break some news here guys... Don't shoot the messenger.
Frank Wren is being smart. He’s making the price meet his and the teams needs. He’s not knee jerking and he’s certainly not overpaying. He’s got his six shooter on the table and we’re getting to the russian roulette phase. The only thing is, he’s got no interest in putting the gun to his head and playing the game.
The Braves will not make a major deal. It just won’t happen. The ONLY way they do is if it’s an underpay for a desperate team or someone like Kemp/Justin Upton/Hanley Ramirez… (I might have snuck that last one in there)
We are all wasting our brain cells trying to freak out over every whisper of “insider” news. It’s amuzing to watch but don’t be disappointed when nothing happens.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
yeah
Hanley Ramirez
who both our Manager and our starting 2B we just signed for an extension despise?
yeah, that’s happening.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren't breaking any new ground there, Copernicus.
We’ve all feared that, and come to grips with it in the last few hours or so.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup... because my aunts best friends mothers uncle on her father side told me so....
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say this 1 or the other happens..no move or good move..
i don’t see wren falling for anything..i think a lot of the rumors and media swirling are bs..their may be something available that wren and the braves are only looking at..
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i also believe houston brought us in on pence or we pushed ourselves to drive the price up
on philly..and may have had a deal..and backed out last moment on purpose..
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At least someone knows the truth...
but don’t tell anyone or else my identity is compromised… I want them to keep calling me El Presidente… as it makes me feel important.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Expect a package deal addressing multiple needs
Upton/Farnsworth
Crisp/Willingham/Balfour
Would put my money on one of those.
Depending on the price, I really don’t hate the second line.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
If Farnsworth comes back again I’ll laugh for a day straight.
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I will kick Wren in the junk.
Then take away his birthday.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Farnsworth might do it first.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
we could end up with a bunch of college kids in the stands dressed up like potato chips and calling themselves Coco’s Crisps.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
oh how we lower our standards. from beltran to pence and now coco crisp.
by michaeldlee1480 on Jul 30, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
I think a lot of us have been saying Bourn all along
And we still are.
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Agreed.
Standards aren’t lowered, just expectations.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
just a figure of speech. i’m on the same boat. now i’m just hoping somethings done to at least get us by until everyone is healthy.
by michaeldlee1480 on Jul 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Stark also mentioned the "no go' guys
They took a run at Marlon Byrd of the Cubs. Not going to be traded.
They looked into Denard Span of the Twins. But the Twins are only trading Span for other major league players — or, at the very least, big league-ready players. And the Twins are heavily targeting live bullpen arms.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Is Mike Minor considered MLB-ready by other teams?
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I don't listen to stark much simply because he's in philly..anything that comes outta there
has got to be ran through the darling phillies before he prints it..jusss sayin..lol
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well, FWIW, I like his run-down of the possibles vs. action and interpretations thus far… including relative price considerations. It suggests that the team is willing and able, but hardly desperate.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Baseball-Reference...
Bold is led the league… Italicized Bold is tied for the league lead?
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I think if the italics is in this year it's leading the league.....
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You're right.
Bold is leader, italics is tied.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Nice, I was wrong twice.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
It doesn't help just guessing, either.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/latest-on-braves-outfield-targets.html
Bourn… Bourn Bourn Bourn….
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then Kemp should be on the table, too
if they’re trading pricey vets.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Furcal is not the centerpiece of their team. He’s barely played this year.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
but he represents established players
Gordon over Furcal to start? It’s about saving $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Get Stubbs…. He can play center field and is a better player than Bourn. I think Crisp would be a buzzkill
Pretty sure Reds are buying.
They’re rumored to be the frontrunners for Bourn.
I still can’t believe they’d sell to the Reds and not us.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I think they’d hold the Reds up for a Kings ransom, not that they wouldn’t do the same for us.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to do something soon
not because the trade deadline is approaching, but because we need the bat asap due to injuries that we’ve sustained.
I think Ross has done a fine job
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Ross is a fine backup but he’s no McCann. Not many catchers are. The need for another bat was borderline before he went down, but now the need is clear.
we just got 2 bats
Uggla and Prado
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Actually, he’s as good as McCann at the plate this year (and 2009-11). He’s a better defensive catcher. But that is in a back-up role. Ross’ production will likely start to drop if he has to play every day.
2009-11:
McCann wOBA: .365
Ross: wOBA: .377
Ross has also been very consistent as a Brave, putting up similar number every year since 2009.
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by BravesDawg16 on Jul 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LUDWICK
1:58pm: Talks between the Padres and Indians have some traction, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney, and there appears to be a good chance the two teams will work out a deal for Ludwick.
This would be a good thing IMO.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
If no Bourn or Upton
i say get nobody, unless it is willingham to be a bench bat and perhaps platoon a bit
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
After reading Jayson Stark’s article it certainly sounds like the Braves will likely roll the dice and just see what happens when everyone gets healthy with maybe a guy like Coco Crisp to help weather the storm. I doubt they make a strong push for Bourn if they think Houston screwed them on Pence even though Bourn is the better player.
Okay, my theory on Bourn
A theory I proposed yesterday… and had all but discarded until now… is that Houston may be playing puppet master: trying to extract the best from both Philly and Atlanta.
Philly only wanted Pence — Atlanta could deal with either Pence or Bourn. So get the best you can from Philly and then work the Braves for essentially the same offered players — but now for Bourn instead of Pence. There was little upside in selling Pence to Atlanta, for the Bourn market would have dried up and left them with little in return.
It’s now up to Atlanta to decide whether to play that game with Houston.
(I posted this same thing to another thread by accident a few mins. ago — belongs better here anyway. No trying to troll it around!).
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
It sounds like the Braves liked Pence a lot more than Bourn though so if they feel they got screwed on the better player why would they make a good offer on Bourn?
Oh I know we need Bourn the most but the question is how the organization values them. They are probably stuck on Schafer…
Shafer’s gonna be out for so long that we need to get a replacement and make him “the guy” next year if the FO has so much faith in him.
by Theo Williams on Jul 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but all the quotes people are getting from the Braves organization seem to be saying they just need to hold the fort for 2 weeks or so. That certainly sounds like a team rationalizing that they will just get a Coco Crisp type guy. I’d make a strong push for Bourn, but so far it doesn’t sound like they have done anything more than preliminary talks.
They should make an offer that no better — perhaps a little less — than that for Pence, and stick with it. His stats dictate this; his contract status (one year of less protection) also dictates this.
Houston will counter saying that he’s cheaper to keep than Pence, and that’s true… Atlanta should then say “and that’s because Pence is a better player — hence our reduced offer.”
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
My theory..FWIW
I think we may have purposely drove the price up on Pence knowing all along we didn’t really want him..he would be fine if we were looking for a corner OF bat, other wise we were really shopping for a CF..Then we backed out and houston took what they could from Philly. JMHO.
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as long as he's not on our roster.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Young
Why not? He’s better than any of the outfielders than we have right now, he’s good defensively, has power, and speed. He doesn’t hit for a great avg but its not terrible. Don’t tell me Heyward is better, cause right now he ain’t.
Because the Dbacks are still in it, only 4 1/2 behind us. No way they’ll strike a deal with us.
by Theo Williams on Jul 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
#Royals acquire INF Yamaico Navarro and RHP Kendal Volz from #RedSox for INF Mike Aviles.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
I still think we are in on Bourn and if we can't reach a deal..
we snatch up Upton for Minor or something a long those lines.. I honestly think Minor will or has been dangled in front of both of them as the key trade piece contrary to the “were keeping all 4 horsemen”..I’m not high on upton..but I prefer him over Coco puffs.
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Dont fool yourself Braves fans
Let me start off by saying that I am a huge Braves fan, but we have to look at resent history for find out what the Braves are going to do. Which is nothing that will help the team this year or next. When was the last time that the Braves actually acquired a player that they needed? The only player that has done any good that they Braves actually got was Tex (which they gave way way to much for just a one year, only played 157games) and the year they got him pitching was our need.
What the Braves really need to do is give up on this year, lets face it there is no way that our offense can stand up to any pitching that they will face in the post season. Today they need to drop some dead weight and make some room for proven FA in the off season. Lowe Needs To Go!!!! Then every position player other than Chipper, McCann, Prado and Freeman. Im sorry but when you cant hit above .240 you dont deserve a slot on any ML team. I love Heyward but its time to send him back down. I would love to believe that what were seeing this year is not a sign of what we can expect but lets face it even in his good rookie season he was very very streaky. In the last 5 years Uggla has hit about .260 twice, Gonzalez twice in the last 10 years, McLouth once in the last 7 years, and for God sake find a replacement for Chipper. I love Chipper and would not want to see a Braves team without him, but lets face it he is going to get hurt, more than once, every year and not having someone who can come off the bench to fill in is just irresponceable.
The pitching this year is amazing out side of Lowe, but when there is only one player on the team hitting over .300 (and hes hurt) and just 2 others hitting over .275 its time for a change. I know what a lot of people are thinking about the team… Look at what the Giants did last year with just pitching… While I like Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, and Beachy, they are not “miss the bat” pitchers and theres no way to reproduce what happened last year when your pitching to contact.
I want Wild Card.. I want October
don’t want the Braves to give up.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely. If you can get in, who knows what can happen?
by Theo Williams on Jul 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Either very good trolling…or honest stupidity…
"I'M ENJOYING A TREAT DERREK!"
by carebearmafia on Jul 30, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet,
maybe this same time tomorrow.
by Theo Williams on Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really referring to the stupidity clause in manual 1 of how to troll, section 2, addedum 8.
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You're right. no possible way to reproduce that kind of success
….with “contact” pitchers. Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine obviously sucked and were lucky during their entire careers.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
by carpengui on Jul 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
BOOM!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
/insert JJ comment about low k/9
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Of, and one more thing...
Paragraphs are our friends.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
But... but...
Maddox didn’t have a 98 MPH fastball! He couldn’t possibly have been any good!
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
He did in Ken Griffey Baseball!
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So Chopmaster, we meet again...
(1) Batting average does not tell the whole story about a player. (2) There are only 14 qualified players in the NL hitting .300 currently. Should all the rest of them be DFA’ed?
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
probably a dumb question..
but who’s Chopmaster? a famous troll?
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Choppy is a 14-year-old who wrote a lot, posted a lot, and I think finally got annoying enough to be banned a couple of weeks ago. He still lives in the sig-lines of a number of our regulars…. and apparently on the Astros’ ‘Crawfish’ blog pages.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
He’s actually been banned twice, if I’m counting right.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
probably more..
the ban hammer has not been friendly to him.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I got through my annoying stage when I was.. 6.
I’m 17 now and the last thing I wanna do here is annoying people, especially if they’re older.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, us old codgers really appreciate that LOL! But what we crave more than anything else is reasonably intelligent debate… and…. that didn’t happen with him, let’s say.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
i dont know if I'll win a debate..
but I know stats, past stats, the Braves history.. I’ll probably put up a fight.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chopmasters argument
usually insisted on him knowing inside information because his dad has watched the braves for a long time
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
and I’m guessing his dad’s info was mostly false, yes?
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That, and he’d throw in a bunch of random irrelevant information.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
things along the realm of
Uggla will never turn it around because when he was 13 he only hit 2 hr for his little league team
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
You're very mature.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
You're welcome.
It’s nice to see someone in our generation that isn’t a complete asshole.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
oh, I'm an asshole.
just to Phillies and Mets fans.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But that's fine.
You’d be wasting niceties on them ;)
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
true story..
I was on the 7 train, Citi-Field bound.. I was in the middle of the car where one side there were Phillies fans and another side were Mets fans.. they were arguing and debating.. and then I had to intervene just cussing out on these grown men. Just as I was finishing my rants.. my stop is next. They looked quiet when I left.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If you say his name three times in a row...
well.. You just don’t want to do it.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, you're worse than I am. Get out of here.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
What’s with the Cubs not moving people? Byrd would really have fit nicely. I still don’t understand why the Cubs are barely selling.
Is there anyone who thinks...
Scrappy has any credibility/common sense?
he has made one comment in over a year
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
tonight's lineup..
Constanza – CF
Prado – 3B
Freeman – 1B
Uggla – 2B
Hinske – LF
Ross – C
Heyward – RF
Gonzalez – SS
Hudson – P
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
golden
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There are still baseball games today?
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
Heyward batting 7th
just upsets me.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
please be in on this frank..
The Astros’ efforts to trade Bourn are picking up steam, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, and it appears more likely he’ll be dealt by tomorrow’s deadline.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
this
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I would love it if he were
but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to speculate wildly on this one...
TBrownYahoo Tim Brown
Source: Yankees have inquired on Minnesota’s Span. Reax: Could be part of something bigger.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
...for we certainly know the Yanks need pitching...
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I find it funny that teams like the Yanks and the Phils are so insecure in their .600 records that they feel compelled to go out and make big deals during times like this…
by Theo Williams on Jul 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
In the Phils case, they are “pot-committed” on their payroll.
With the Yankees… I can’t fathom how they’ve survived this long and this well anyway. But, given THEIR fans and payroll, they can’t afford any perception that they are doing anything less than the “best”.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
We send yanks minor and lowe..they send twins their triple A affiliate..and we get span..
easy. done deal..call the press!
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I figured it out... Here's the answer... and I'm not really even joking...
Yankees get Denard Span and Derek Lowe
Twins get Randal Delgado and Jesus Montero
Braves get Curtis Granderson and Cuddyer
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yea not likely and
I rather get Span than Granderson..much cheaper and RH
Lowe for Granderson is about even... so we wouldn't hurt w/ cost...
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
my mistake
asshole but let’s trade Hanson, Salcedo, and FF for Kemp lol
It almost makes sense though right?
not too far off from something that could be a reality?
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it could happen..but they love granderson up there i think..that and the details
to be worked out would take a while..i mean A WHILE..
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Someone fax this to Wren and speed it up! :-)
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 30, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
From a Phillies fan on another board:
Bourn would be the guy I wouldn’t want to see go to Atlanta (as a Phillies fan). I was very sad when he got dealt for Lidge (even though what Lidge did in 2008 was extraordinary, and I finally got to witness a parade for the first time in my life). I really loved what Bourn brought to the team. If they were able to ride him out for one more year, and have him take CF, a Werth-Bourn-Victorino outfield would have been ridiculous.
I knew he was an extra part, and Burrell wasn’t going anywhere…but I still have the utmost respect for him. I’d rather see Beltran in Atlanta than Bourn. Atlanta’s dynamics are shifted with Bourn atop the order, instead of Prado or Schaefer. Allowing Prado to slip to the #2 spot could allow for Heyward to slide to the fifth or sixth spot. I obviously don’t know what they’d do, but it gives them a lot more lineup flexibility. All you do with Beltran is give McCann cover, which is fine…but Bourn has a dimension you don’t with Beltran.
To be honest, I was hoping the Phils would go after him. Victorino can play the corner spots (he played right field in 2007), and the increase to the defense would have been fantastic (as Brown has been eh, and Ibanez…sigh).
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
HEZ A GAME CHANGER
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
wait until the last minute and take leftovers
I’d like to see us keep most of our pitching prospects. And don’t anyone dare suggest trading Andrelton Simmons, because he is the guy our young pitchers will need behind them.
They guys we have available and close to major league ready are:
1. Mauro Gomez — behind Freddy
2. Jairo Ascencio — behind Kimbrel
The price for guys like Willingham and Span should be these guys and maybe one middle range pitching prospect like Hoover or Perez. And only if our scouts and instructors say these guys are not longer rated with a high ceiling.
In a deal for Bourn or Span the central piece should be Schafer, plus the package above. Anything else is overpaying. Once we dump Lowe’s salary we will be able to do better on the free agent market and give nothing up. No more costly rentals like the Teixeira deal, which was mentioned this AM in MLB’s coverage of great deals — for the Rangers!
Personally I like Jose Constanza in centerfield. Happy festivus!
Schafer is on the DL
can’t trade him
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
You actually can, but it’s more complicated. Commish has to approve, or make him a PTBNL.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
a PTBNL
is rarely a centerpeice of a deal
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
You heard it first here!
Schafer, who is not on the DL (McLouth is) has indeed become centerpiece of the deal. Abreu, similar to Ascencio in age and experience but with less closing work is similar to the second piece I proposed. The Astros goofed by not requesting one of our 1B.
Oberholtzer and Clemens are good B prospects and potential back of the rotation starters, but below the line of Vizcaino and Delgado, perhaps even below the perceived ceiling of Hoover and Perez. Bourn is a Boras client but we’ve got him through 2012 at least.
from Kenny Ros.
Source: #Braves getting “more involved” on #Astros’ Bourn. #tradedeadline #MLB
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
UNBRIDLED EXCITEMENT
… meds… quick…
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
You know, most of these rumors are complete speculation, but good God I hope this one is true.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
He was Bourn to play at the Ted. Got my candles and prayin’.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: #Braves getting “more involved” on #Astros’ Bourn. #tradedeadline #MLB
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
block quote fail
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: #Braves getting “more involved” on #Astros’ Bourn. #tradedeadline #MLB
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I hope I hope
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
aha!! wren was involved!..just so long as were involved i can at least get excited right?
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I have to go listen to my daugter's marching band...
I expect you all to make FW get Bourn while I am away. Make it happen!
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
File Under: Things that would make my day.
Constanza – CF Bourn
Prado – 3B
Freeman – 1B
Uggla – 2B
Hinske – LF
Ross – C
Heyward – RF
Gonzalez – SS
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
from our good friend, Buster Olney.
From an NL evaluator: Atlanta working hard on working out a deal for Michael Bourn. His trade value never higher than right now;FA in ’12.
by jrodisjust2cool on Jul 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
Then if we don't resign him and he goes to the Yankees, F my life.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
I shouldn't look so far ahead though.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
yeah we will have him next year lol
next year is last arb year
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
don’t be so negative, we could just flip him for Kotchman
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironically Kotchman has been awesome for the Rays this year(massively higher BAIBP than career avg notwithstanding). Who saw that coming?
I’m sure we could fix that…
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
From an NL evaluator: Atlanta working hard on working out a deal for Michael Bourn. His trade value never higher than right now;FA in ’12.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I would expect things to move quickly if they can get together
Wren and Wade have surely been talking together enough this week.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
who knows, we would probably have some money with the contracts we have coming off the books. BravePhin was right, we’re looking a bit too far ahead at the moment. Lets get him first :)
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile...
robneyer robneyer
MLB Trade Deadline: Red Sox acquire Mike Aviles for prospects. http://sbn.to/oi1SEK
I thought we were the only ones allowed to trade with KC?
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Mike Aviles is a really good solid player
very versatile, still real young, having a down year and they got him for nothing, would much rather have him than lugo
meanwhile HJ making tweets
Hey_Jude18 HeyJude
Rumor has it the #Braves are close to a deal to pick up Bourn.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Who would it be?
Minor and Delgado?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Except we already know that Minor can get MLB hitters out. Rather keep Minor. He can also help this year.
Yea, that’s just what we need. More strikeouts…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
He’ll be worse… in multiple respects, I would think.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
not polished
not a good defender by any means other than his speed, strikes out a lot, would cost more etc
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Yeah – what you said. My lazy journalism is showing again.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
mine was pretty lazy as well lol
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
We're going to have to dig into that farm system if we want to win right now.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
OT: And I thought Freddie had a bad profile pic
This is Brett Wallace:
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Langerhans
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
KJ
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Norton
(if you wanna keep going)
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
George Lombard. Klesko.
"I'M ENJOYING A TREAT DERREK!"
by carebearmafia on Jul 30, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Gordon?
I seriously wouldn’t mind him.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I would give up a lot for Bourn.
.364 OBP, 39 steals, 84.8% success rate? Yeah, he is exactly what we need.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
Twitter is exploding with Bourn to Braves very close.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
I'm so excited...
I have been calling for him for a while now. He is our ideal trade target.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
both of us have
since the first rosterbation posts
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
trio sonata
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Someone is going to rosterbate all over themselves if this goes down.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
haha, nasty.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
Am I the only one
tempted by Furcal and St. Louis beer jokes?
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
I would be more tempted by Derek Lowe and beer jokes if we sent him there..jusss sayin..
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well that would absolutely be more up to date, and I would indeed laugh.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’s not worth it if I gotta put up with this…
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
would first inning leads and stolen bases change your mind?
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw Minor + Hoover for Bourn on Twitter
I would love that.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Post your sources, please….
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
eh it was just something someone said to ben duronio
and he said it would work in his opinion
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
It’s a nobody. I’m just saying I saw that.
bluegoldmaniac Eric Midcap
Minor + Hoover for Bourn. #Braves #Astros
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Seems like a bit of a steal, if anything.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
Moylan Twitter:
Jason Bourn??? Wow thats bad a$$ RT @Caughtoffbase: Bourn to the ATL
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
Crap...
I just bought these pants…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
They'll wash out.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
gotta love that slash line
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Braves are “working hard” on a deal for Michael Bourn.
The Astros already unloaded right fielder Hunter Pence and are now seeking a fit for their center fielder. Bourn has posted an impressive .304/.364/.405 batting line with 39 stolen bases this season and would fit nicely at the top of the Atlanta lineup.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Sorry if this has been posted, but...
http://rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/335280/braves-working-hard-to-land-michael-bourn
Looks promising. First my Colts sign Peyton to a measly 18M, then we release Hayden (YES), and now my Bravos may fill a gap.
quote right above
is from that
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
i'll be glad if wren can pull this off..
simply because we need a new thread..this one getting slow..lol
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
new thread on front page
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Adding to the fire
Same old news, but still. Bourn to me seems like the better player out of him and Pence, and even though Pence’s contract is longer is still seems stupid to have given so much for him.
Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.
@I’d be so happy with Bourn.
We’ve shown bringing in CF’ers from crap teams pan out so well for us.@
/hehe
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
We've finally got ourselves a leadoff hitter.
Maybe, hopefully.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
Joe Buck
saying that teams should go after Byrd…
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Okay.. time to move over there...
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
BOURN BRAVES BUDS BASEBALL BOOMGOESTHEDYNAMITE
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
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by ChopMaster on Jul 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
I really don't think we should give up Minor but if we do
then the player with him should only be a mediocre a ball pitcher. A number 3 LH starter which minor would be is more than enough for Bourne imo. God i sound like frank wren
Sources say that Bourn will only cost on of the Big 4. I’m hoping for Delgado but I can live with anyone but Teheran.
I can GUARANTEE
That it WILL NOT be Julio Teheran or Arodys Vizcaino and I’ll bet money on that!
IF OFFICIAL.... Jason Marquis, that is...
3:42pm: The trade is agreed upon, tweets Morosi – Marquis will join the Diamondbacks.
3:33pm: The D’Backs are close to acquiring Marquis, tweets Jon Paul Morosi. Marquis is scheduled to take on the Mets less than three hours from now at Nationals Park.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Rival exec: #Braves have six untouchables, not previously reported four. Will make it tough to get #Astros’ Bourn. #tradedeadline #MLB
By Ken Rosenthal. Dumb.
I'd assume the other two are Salcedo and ???
maybe Bethancourt, Lipka or Perez
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Yea I wad pondering this as well. All I can think of is Salcedo and Lipka. Maybe Gilmartin.
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