Braves Trade Rumor: Moving Away From Pence
by gondeee on Jul 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT
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PrintFrom the latest Jayson Stark rumblings we get this nugget:
The Braves, according to sources, offered a package that included prospects they weren't willing to dangle in front of the Mets on Carlos Beltran -- but got shut down. One source who spoke with the Braves' brass Friday came away convinced they were out of it and moving on.
The Phillies seem to be the lone team in the hunt for Hunter. I, for one, am rather glad the Braves are moving away from the Astros right fielder and his exorbitant price tag. David O'Brien at the AJC has repeated tweeted that he believes the team team is more interested in Carlos Quentin, though they are still not willing to give up any of the "Four Horsemen Of The Pitchpocalyse."
Another factor in the Braves moving away from Pence may have been the dollars he would command in the coming years -- somewhere north or $20 million before he's a free agent after the 2013 season. Quentin would be a shorter term acquisition, though still under team control for another year, and for possibly less money based on his lower current salary. Pence was a "super-two" player and has an extra year of arbitration inflating his salary.
Something else I read into the quoted Stark comment above is that the Braves are willing to give up several lesser prospects in their system as opposed to one of the "Four Horsemen." Sounds like a good plan to hang on to your top talent, and deal from the mid-level talent in your system, of which the Braves have plenty of.
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This then officially becomes the 'Not Hunter Pence Trade News' Open Thread
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Quentin isn’t the droid we are looking for either. A shame we didn’t just slide the talks over to Bourn when Pence fell through. I’m glad they didn’t overpay for Pence though.
"Four Horsemen Of The Pitchpocalyse".........lol, brilliant
How about kick the tires to the Cubs……
Marlon Byrd, Reid Johnson……
or Michael Bourn, maybe.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
You beat me to it
Pitchpocalyse is epic. We can keep this going through the 2019 season
"So he basically called me a Jew. I was confused because I'm black and Methodist."
by rocket8188 on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just trying to decide if
pitchpocalypse
or
pitchocalypse
is the better made-up word….
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m trying to figure out if PitChopalypse is pronounceable.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
easy...
Pi-Chop-Pa-Louse…. done.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Smart Move...
While it’s fun to play for 2011, let’s also be realistic about the future potential of this club and not give that up
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we have plenty of pitching and we can afford to give up some we dont even have room for all of our pitchers
could you imagine our future with the pitching we have and prado, heyward, pence, mccann, and freeman in our lineup
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i can
and i just dont think pence is the kinda player im drooling over compared to the future rotation. i think if we are getting rid of a top prospect, we need a better all around player than pence.
but
we have the prospects to get it done, and our lineup in the future could be ridiculous
and i just really dont want him going to the phillies
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If our lineup in the future is ridiculous, it will be because Heyward and Freeman reach their potential.
Hunter Pence is fine, but in a better-case Braves lineup, he would be like the sixth-best hitter. If Wren could have gotten him for cheap, that would be ok, but pretending like he’s an impact bat is just silly.
i guess i lose
i agree with you…i just dont want the phillies to get him
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
It’s beginning to look more and more like he will. But that’s ok, because they are giving up all their young talent for him
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let them have him
how good are the top 2 prospects that they are offering? Might help us in the future
Eh
At this point, we won’t catch the Phils anyway. So long as they actually have give up Brown and Singleton for him, I’m happy with it, because it will make them even weaker for the future.
Wouldn't go that far... We play them 6 more times.
But my sights are set on the WC. Division is a bonus.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
p.s.
We play Dbacks 3 times as well in Atlanta…..another big series.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What an awesome 6th best hitter (if you buy that he is that low.) Sounds like a pretty bad-ass team. And ranking players is irrelevant as long as you don’t get to 9 awesome position players.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
He also, you know, doesn't exactly have a position
Our corners are set for 2012, and he ain’t no kind of CF.
Our corners are far from set as long as Prado is our back-up 3rd baseman. We could have made it work as long as our priority is rightfully improving our offense rather than trying to make our OF defense kosher. Defense has never been a problem and I think that between our 3 primary OFers we could have made it work. But alas, the asking price appeared to be too high.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Chipper really needs to hang ’em up. His salary and injuries are an anchor around our neck.
- ChillyMutt
After this year, probably.
Hitting. Coach.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
……….and, Unless Fredi gets his shite together, maybe Manager.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Prado at 3rd … actually love him at 2nd. But that position is tied up for a few years.
- ChillyMutt
I’m very anti-ump. Institute replay. Have maybe one on the field. Get the calls right.
Umps are biased, vindictive, etc.
The future is right now.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
…..By who? Chipper? If he thinks it’s time to hang it up, he’ll opt out, and still sign as our hitting coach bc he’s the fucking man.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
oh…..you meant 2nd….
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, sure, but you meant 2nd base is tied up, rite?
I mean, that’s the plan, move Prado to 3rd (probably next year….) Chipper is crawling to the finish line this year, moreso than any other year.
I just hope he has 2 months of health left. We’ll need every ounce of it.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No way that Wren would let Chipper be the hitting coach, his career OBP clearly shows that he’s not aggressive enough for our Anti-Moneyball philosophy, the last thing we want is a lineup full of hitters that get on base and clog up the basepaths.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
I can imagine it with all those people, minus Pence, plus a way better fit (and probably better player) than Pence that we can get for JJ in the offseason. My picture, in my opinion, kicks your picture’s ass in a knife fight.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Not giving up one of the Four Horsemen means we can break Dusty’s leg in the parking lot- oh wait, this is baseball…
Seriously, we can get something elite next year for a full year by trading Hanson or JJ, or get rid of Lowe.
We’re probably going to get the WC this year, there’s still August Waivers, and even with a big pickup, I can’t see up being the favorite, so not worth it.
Yeah sure...
let’s just keep talking about the future and forget about the chances of us winning this year . I have a problem with that because those prospects are yet to be proven in the majors . Who is to know what we will get out of them when we do bring them up . I’d rather trade a couple of them for someone who has already proved that he is capable of playing at that next level .
Yeah.
We need to get someone like Wainwright, or Feliz.
Actually, we are set on pitching. We need to get someone who hits like Teixeira or like JD Drew used to
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see what I did there? Turned that table right back around, didn’t I?
lol
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Baxter,
You know I don’t speak Spanish.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
……..Fuck TBS?
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait……sure. lol
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad we won't be overpaying
but it sucks to know that we’re probably going to end up with a Ludwick/Willingham and Heyward platoon. Mike Minor must have a golden penis for us to be holding onto him like this.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Pence of Quentin will still mean a Heyward platoon. Its mind boggling if we get a corner OF over a CF.
for a second there I thought we were going for royalty
though I would not mind going for some Royal prospects
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
For cryin'out loud
He ain’t the messiah. Move on.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
+1 million
We are acting like he really is the best player in baseball. He’s the kind of person id be happy with if he was home grown and cheap. but there are so many other ways to spend the top prospects and close to $25 million over the next 2 seasons. Pence is not THAT good
The Reds are "strongly mulling a sell-a-thon," according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark.
Mean anything for us?
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Rolen as a longshot, since he’s got another year, perhaps Renteria as a RH bench bat (I actually like this one…taking Lugo’s spot would be helpful). Bullpen arms possibly.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I don’t think the sell-a-thon will include Bruce/Stubbs, so no serious OF help.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I expect to see the Braves on the next episode of Hoarders: Special Elite Pitching Prospect Edition.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
by GumpBrave on Jul 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
………..So glad the only “tv” I watch is baseball. Tv programming these days is a complete joke, to me. Just horrible.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless there are cat turds all over the place
It probably won’t be the trainwreck you’re hoping for
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I love that people watch TV that basically revolves around people screwing up their own lives. It’s like Jerry Springer evolved with a reality show angle in mind. If I were contemplating military action against the U.S. one episode of Jersey Shore or Hoarders could really force my hand.
I also like the mental image I now have of Frank Wren and Fredi Gonzalez with unabomber style beards.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
“Hey! Who threw away my rosin bags from 1993? And that was my collection of toilet paper from Fulton County Stadium, damnit!”
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Fredi: Frank, I have a feeling you tried to throw my brain out again
Frank: Look we can keep receipts for bubble gum purchased last century, that’s all fine and good, but you were definitely not using THAT.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Wren and Fredi
Should be like that show Dual Survivor. Wren can be the former Ranger guy who’s really good at surviving, and knows all this cool stuff, and then Fredi is the hippie minimalist who doesn’t wear shoes, and does nothing but all this dated, convoluted survival tactics, and ends up pissing off Wren for the entire hour, and Wren spends most of the episodes separated, and venting his frustrations out to the cameraman.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them, telling them that they bad guys will run away once they’re out of ammo.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell yes. I would pay good money to watch that, especially the part where Fredi urinates all over Frank Wren’s wound. Just sounds like good TV to me.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them
Priceless
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So this is where everyone went.
The topic of the moment sure changes quickly these days.
Good News
Now go after the other OF in Houston that could be traded, Micheal Bourne or BJ Upton
If we could do something like:
Minor and Paul Clemens for Bourne THEN
Hoover for Willingham(I can’t imagine the asking price is much higher than that). Then send Schafer to the minors
We get our leadoff hitter and our LHP hitter.
/Realistic Dream?
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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Get Bourn, dang it!
Another holdup in #Astros’ Pence talks with #Phillies: Astros also trying to move Bourn, Wandy, B. Myers. #tradedeadline #MLGB
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Fine, let’s freakin’ get Bourn already.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
won't matter if we get bourn..
fredi will just have prado or whoever hits in the 2 hole bunt him over lol.. sorry had to just for laughs..
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Thank God. We want no part of Pence.
Honestly, if the Phillies are set on moving Domonic Brown then Frank Wren should be all over Houston to join in as a third team. Offer Minor and a few spare parts and then bring Brown to Atlanta. Wren would be a God.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
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I don't know...at first I joked about this
and then it actually came up that the Astros and Phillies were looking for a 3rd team to deal Brown to as part of the Pence deal….
this is a strange world we live in
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him (he is also a Gerogia boy)
but he is not as perfect a fit as Bourn would be.
though he does have a nice high ceiling
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not likely, but honestly, if the Astros acquire Brown he’s their asset to use however they feel fit. The Phillies would probably hate their guts, but I’d give any of the big 3 (RD, AV, MM) plus a few C-level guys for Brown. Incredible talent.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they have seemingly indicated that they are looking for a 3rd team to deal him to if they get him
I would love for us to be that 3rd team
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
that really would be awesome
Can def give up a top pitching prospect for Brown. This year would look like Brown in RF, Heyward would have to slide to CF (cant hurt his offense too badly, its already pretty bad), prado in LF. Future would have Prado at 3b, Heyward in RF and Brown in LF. CF would be another story, could be Schafer tho.
This is interesting..The Chunichi Dragon's are in on Pence now..
offering the Astro’s a package built around 26 yr old lefty Wei-Ying Chen its also thought to include everyone else on the team that last name ends in a vowel.
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Including Shin Soo Choo's brother
Choo Choo
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just came across Sirius/XM/MLB
“Hunter Pence will NOT be traded this weekend”
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
In other news, Astros exec’s do not consider Friday to be part of the weekend because work happens on this day.
Another source says that Pence will not be traded this weekend because he will be traded to Japan late sunday night/monday morning japanese time.
My friend the hot-dog vender at Minute Maid Park also told me that Hunter Pence doesn’t like relish.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
so the Chunichi Dragon's offer above was just too much not to take part in eh?
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
A source close to the situation tell me that Ed Wade likes sushi.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
hmmm..lol you think ol' franky hung in long enough to drive the price up on the phils?
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Reds considering “sell-a-thon”.
Alonzo (for Minor)
Bruce
Masset
Stubbs (for peanuts lol)
Cozart
Phillips (rental we could play at SS and take our picks)
Chapman (kick the tires)
I’d be interested in all of the above.
Bruce won’t be traded.
Alonzo won’t be traded
Stubbs won’t be traded
Phillips won’t be traded
Chapman won’t be traded
Coazart won’t be traded
So Masset would be a good pickup but I’d rather build the bullpen from within the organization
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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Didn’t realize Phillips has an option for next yr. I think we could get Alonzo for Minor. Get him while they’re still unconvinced he can play LF.
Bench righty an occasional LF/1B this year…Starting LF next year. Hit defense will be bad but no worse than Quentin.
Would be amazing
It would be amazing to get Alonso and immediately make him learn how to hit right handed at the major league level. I guess as long as he can bunt we’d be ok.
so you are saying there's a chance
to get Votto
WoooHoo!!
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Minor for Jones
Seems like Bal. Adam Jones would be a nice fit in CF. He’s got power and plays a position we’re struggling at right now. Minor has not been very impressive for a top ten pick.
It would take a lot more than Minor to get Jones
Plus Jones isn’t even being remotly disscussed in trade talks
Shrimp, Steak, Liquor, and Pasta
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and if he was
he would be way overpriced, as he isnt nearly as good as everything thinks he is
who
Are we really after? Ludwick? Quentin? Upton? Willingham?
If I were GM, I’d try and get Upton, a bench bat/platoon guy in Ludwick and then send down Proctor and bring up Chapman, Abreu, Jairo. Then once rosters expand bring up Vizzy
by PhuckthePhillies on Jul 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone else not satisfied by this pillow talk?
Deadline is still Sunday at 4pm EST. If there’s a conversation going on at 3:59, and it runs over, it’s still active. If anything at all, I’m more dreading the possibility of a deal being finalized at 5:03 pm EST on Sunday that sure, might not be the haul that Ed Wade was looking for, but for at least one of our horsemen, among other useful pieces, and the Braves are then stuck with Goofy for the next two years.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Just based on past negotiations
I wouldn’t expect something like that to happen. FW has typically made his splash (if any) well before the trade deadline, and usually with an out-of-the-blue deal. If we do get any at-the-buzzer type of deals, I think they would be of the Ankiel/Farnsworth variety.
Moreover, FW doesn’t seem like the type of guy who will suddenly give in at the last minute. He’s shown a propensity to hold out for the best deal possible, and I expect that to continue. If it does come down to a staring contest, it might be Wade that blinks first, given his job status. In that case I could see a deal going down, with the price now in our favor.
Pluto seems like a loyal team player though
Goofy has a tendency to screw things up when he goes off on his own
does anyone know whaat the asking price is for bourn??
maybe delgado + a C-level for him
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Kind of a side note, but it’s amazing to me that the Astros haven’t been forced to erase the hill in their CF. It seems like the baseball big wigs would consider it a safety hazard.
Any time I think of Bourn, that’s what comes to mind. Pity the guy.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
at least his defense isn't going down hill because of it
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Har har
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
by the way I love your sig
I remember reading that article when it came out and getting a great laugh out of it
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
……who the hell wrote that article? Did Alf phone it in from Mars?
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A Dodgers beat writer for one of their major media outlets
…the most hilarious thing was that he was completely serious.
You should have seen the message boards below it…
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’s retar——- [not] special.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Loney is just what we need right now.
/insanity
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Move Hanson so we can platoon Freeman…….?
Goes to show they’ll hire anybody these days, as long as they have a nice booty.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and I would gladly trade Hanson for him and Heyward for Ethier
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll burn my own bridge here, but IF, if if if, Ethier for Heyward could, somehow, make sense for us…… I would pull that trigger. And either regret it for years, or look like a complete genius.
The guy is proving over and over that he is a somewhat easy out, that won’t/can’t make any kind of adjustment, there; and that Freeman deserves all of his hype.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah (…….sigh)
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't put up HOF numbers as a 20 year old if you don't have insane talent
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
awful lot of injuries for a 21 yr old
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that is the only thing that has made me hesitate for a second about him
I think he will grow out of getting stupid injuries as he matures
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of these will go away when he stops sliding head first
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
at least they let Freeman get in on his SI cover
I’ll bet Nike is pissed, so far. The guy would/could have been their new posterchild.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, for some reason I thought it was in the LA Times or something
those over at Bleacher Report are some kind of special
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
they really are
fun to read just cuz of the entertainment value. Once you realize you shouldnt flip out and pull your hair out from the things they say, it becomes entertaining to hear what morons think should happen to baseball teams.
Here
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
LMAO
what a queef
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironically
When Bourn was still on the Phillies, he got DLed because he blindly ran onto one of the bullpen mounds at Wrigley Field while trying to track down a pop foul, and messed up his ankle
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I don’t know but out of the top 4 prospects, the one I would want to part with is Delgado.
by PhuckthePhillies on Jul 29, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the Astros guys Hunter Pence was out of the lineup on Friday and then put back in. Sounds like he isn’t going anywhere…yet.
"It's not about me, it's about the team." - Martin Prado
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
He was also told last night that he was coming out of the game because he was traded, and then did not actually come out of the game or get traded.
by Ivan the Great on Jul 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m cool with this. I would like to have Pence, but if we gave them a respectable offer, and they turned it down, so be it.
I will say though, that if all they wanted was one of the Four Horsemen, and we turned them down, poop on us.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Given that the Disastros turned down Cosart+Singleton, I doubt that’s all they wanted.
by Ivan the Great on Jul 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta ask, how did Minor sneak his way into the “Four Horseman” moniker?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Minor is Famine
You know, the one easily alleviated by, eating, food?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Oh we're going that route
I’d say Vizcaino would be Arn, because he seems to have the hardest fastball. Which makes Delgado Tully, making Minor Ole, since nobody really cared for Ole as much as the others.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I was using Luger because when Ole was in there, I wasn’t in the US- I was busy watching Big Daddy squashes on World of Sport, and Luger was a little Flaky, and Minor’s a quiet lefty.
Deglado was Arn because he wasn’t the flashiest, but he was effective. Arn was really underrated. Tully’s fragile a bit, just like Vizcaino, and Teheran’s the ace of aces, so he’s Flair.
Is a deal planned with the Sub-Sahara African Sands?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
He’s one of our top 4 prospects.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that, just not sure when Minor moved into the same league as our top 3, who are all much younger and seem widely considered to have a higher upside. Sounds like our FO has done pretty well to make it seem that Minor is on the same level as the other 3.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
The tradeoff between ceiling and floor
As mentioned above, a lefty cost controlled starter who is mlb-ready and (seemingly) guaranteed to be at least a league average pitcher is an incredibly valuable asset.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
But that doesn’t sound much like the other 3 prospects we’ve grouped with Minor. I’m not saying that Minor is a bad player or unworthy of any sort of attention or hype, just not sure why they have been organized as the “4 horseman” besides joke, trade value reasons.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Cost-controlled MLB-ready lefty starters are like catnip for GMs.
by Ivan the Great on Jul 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
- prospect at the beginning of the year, has done pretty well in his spots starts this year, posting a 2.78 FIP. Cut more than a walk out of his BB/9 in the minors, although that hasn’t translated to the majors yet this season.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Exactly. The Astros said to begin with they would have to be blown away to move Pence. They don’t have to trade him. He’s not an albatross on their payroll. He’s a good player that will be good next year for them too.
To get down to 60M payroll, I don’t think Pence will be kept
Unless they move everyone else…
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Reading the Astros board...
The fans seem mad that the team doesn’t want Brown, and they think the Braves will end up with Bourn. I like the way they think.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
I would love to wake up on Monday
to read that Bourn is a Brave.
Between the MLB trade deadline and the condensed NFL free agency period, it’s like Christmas in July.
The bullpen arms are what makes the Padres so intriguing.
Proctor’s ONLY good game of the year might have put a hold on that. It really was amazing, but unbelievable.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
what was so amazing?
walking people in every inning, pitching in jams the whole time, and putting a ball in play, falling on his face, and getting the benefit of the worst call ever?
Or are you referring to something else?
It was amazing becuase
we didn’t lose
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
He is being sarcastic as in it was amazing that Proctor didnt give up six runs on two pitches
Baseball is my life
roight
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand that it SHOULD be sarcasm. but the way it was said, it sounds like he truly believes that he had an amazing game and now he has bought some time. And chief, i know you dont want him to have bought time, and i agree that he might have, but my point was that he really didnt have a good game. he was in trouble the whole time.
Sure, lol.
If he never pitched for the Bravos again, I would be a happy man. But props to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for willing the Braves to get through that game, lol, and win the damned thing.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
in that sense
yes, it was amazing and unbelievable lol
not so much “sarcasm,” but if Proctor had lost us that game, as we all thought we would, Wren would be looking harder at the Padres bullpen + Ludwick
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i said it before. He may have helped us get that win (somehow), but the time he bought himself will probably cost us 4 more before he gets the boot.
sure
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
3 IP, no runs crossed the plate. I didn’t think that would ever be possible, in a billion, trillion years.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a 19 inning game where no team scored for 16 innings. the offense was abysmal on both sides. thats probably his only chance of not giving up runs.
When you think about it
that’s pretty amazing. That’s almost four no-hitters in one game.
I don't see the Braves paying
the cost in prospects for the SD relievers.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
A package built for a Ludwick/Bell will have to be way less than a cost controlled OF for two years right?
Baseball is my life
Yes
But given how many contenders are seeking bullpen options, I’m betting that the price tag on the relievers is pretty high.
I’d guess that the cost in prospects for the marquee relievers is significantly higher than the incremental value provided by a lesser known guy.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
You smell it huh? Well if That a boy smells it it’s gotta be true.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Put yourselves in Wren's head
What are the positives of acquiring Willingham/Ludwick?
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
A guy that can sometimes drive the ball over the wall.
I literally have nothing else past that.
by Ivan the Great on Jul 29, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How about we ran out of quality players by the time we got to the playoffs last year.
I know Ludwick and Willingham aren’t “sexy” but wouldn’t you rather see them at the plate in the playoffs rather than Diory Hernandez?
A bet every braves fan might give their right toe to have Cody ross on the roster in the 2010 playoffs, dont always need a game changing bat but a difference maker come playoffs and a guy to help give your regulars a rest.
Baseball is my life
You mean the one right toe? I hate to be the one to tell you this but it is possible you have a flipper foot.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
If that’s the issue then let’s wait for the waiver wire.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
This is the best news I've heard all day...
Pence is not that good and the Astros are asking for too much. No thank you.
Somebody get the DBacks GM on the phone and ask him what it’ll take to get Justin Upton. You can’t have Teheran, Vizcaino, or Salcedo but the rest of the minor leaguers can be placed directly into your shopping cart….
by Michael Scarn, FBI on Jul 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yet they haven't even tried to make their team better...
I think the organization knows they don’t have much of a shot and might be willing to make a move. Besides, is your GM doing his job if he’s not at least making that phone call?
by Michael Scarn, FBI on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
The Dbacks are trying to attract as little attention as possible right now, in hopes that nobody notices them chomping away at the WC.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you selling any of that pot?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Oh, he’s good..
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Shhhh...
You’ll blow my cover!
Threat level midnight!
by Michael Scarn, FBI on Jul 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry Sir
I’ll just be on my merry way now…
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That didn't work last year.
Why would it work now?
yay, another .200 power hitter
actually, come to think of it he isn’t the worst on the market….
just maybe not what we necessarily need at this point
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as they are expressed in the same numerical system they are “About the same” as McCann’s.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Harold Reynolds!!!
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
bah..
I’d prefer Burt… he’s way much cooler…
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
this
I’ll take the celebrity jeopard edition!!
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Trebek, I’ll take your mother for 200
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at that, it’s a giant hat. It’s funny!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s uh..funny..because it’s..uh..bigger than a normal hat.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Alex: This is the sound a doggy makes? Mr. Connery?
Connery: MOOOOOOOOO!!!
Alex: No.
Connery: Well thats the sound your mother made last night.
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss Celebrity Jeopardy soo much
they need to bring it back on a more consistent basis
it was the best skit on SNL ever..
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not with their current cast and writers…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
What would it take to get both brown and bourne from houston? Assuming the phillies decide to trade brown/others for pence. That would give us our cf and another outfielder for the future.
but they are both lefties and having our future with mccann, heyward, and freeman already we dont need to more lefties in our future lineup
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That
would indeed be the downside. But the upside is pretty big as well.
ya i would love to have them but we would have at most three righties in the lineup…unless we could use one as trade bait
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does everyone think Jason Bourne is in Houston? I thought nobody knew where he was?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Gah... all this rosterbation hurts my head... :(
I’m glad we all have opinions, and some of them are even interesting to read… but in the end, do we REALLY need to waste talent on a non-sure thing? Here’s my opinion… Shoot me if you must:
Bourn=Schafer
Pence=McLouth
Put them on a team that matters, and their production could very well fold. I hope not and I know “the statistics” say different than my feelings… but we are a team of feelings and those are mine.
If we can get a Justin Upton or a Matt Kemp… Then we should do it. I would be happy w/ a Dominic Brown or other AAA (MLB ready) superstar in the making… but all this talk about sub-par, normal baseball players is making my eyes bleed.
I like the idea of a Adams or Bell… But not if we’re selling the farm for them. We have just as good in our MiLB and we don’t have to pay for them! :-)
Call me crazy but I just don’t like any of the players i’m hearing about in these trades.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
How does Bourn=Schafer and Pence=McLouth?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
and getting hit in the face with a bunt
by bravesrgonnawinitall on Jul 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can say no and feel good about myself...
I don’t see him as that much of an upgrade. and Schafer’s ceiling isn’t much lower than Bourn’s… At least in my opinion.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Bourn or Pence is a “subpar” player…
Schafer is a poor man’s Rajai Davis, who happens to be a poor man’s Michael Bourn.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
that's why i put sub-par, normal players...
Bourn/Pence = normal
Ludwick/Willingham = sub-par…
At least in my opinion.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As crazy as “bourn = schafer” is… I think “Pence = Mclouth” may be even more insane.
But I think we can all agree that Ludwick/Willingham aren’t very attractive options.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
There's actually an article floating around out there comparing Pence to McLouth...
that wasn’t my thought solely… BUT the Schafer = Bourn thing is mine… But then again, I love Schafer and want him to be our CF for a long time.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Guessing you mean Gondee's post comparing the McLouth trade to Pence?
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
knew i read it somewhere... :-)
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That "article"
compares them by saying that they both play for crappy teams.
It’s fairly lazy journalism.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm a fan of lazy journalism...
hence my rabid reading of anything on this site… :-) In Gondeee I trust.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t buy that article either. He had a decent half year in 2009 after the trade with lower slugging stats but overall right around career norms. Then he fell off a cliff and is struggling to be even decent. He wasn’t that great to begin with, but McLouth’s best year (2008) and the .276/.356/ .497/ .853 line he posted that year isn’t that much better than Pence’s career worst year in 2008 when he posted .269 /.318 /.466 /.783.
Not to mention that Pence isn’t injury prone and consistently has been at a good level of production/stats throughout his career. The comparisons are worthless and largely dependent on you believing that Pence is about to start sucking big-time. And because of what? Having too good of a line-up around him and being able to make a major impact for a contending team? I just don’t buy it.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Does anyone else see the Braves unwillingness to move Minor as a sign that they will not only need JT but also Minor in the rotation next year? I.E. Two current guys won’t be here.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
I think they are trying to protect that possibility.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
but next year with Meds and Delgado looking ok in his debut
I think we are set without Minor
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Meds is a big unknown. You never know how those guys will respond and he might be in the bullpen anyway. And on Delgado I mean its extremely foolish to jump to conclusions from one start. I like Delgado too but take a longer view than “he looked good in 1 start so he must be ready!”
his stuff is pretty damn good
and he has done well at each stage of the minors….there is a reason he is one of our most coveted prospects.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got mid rotation stuff and an FIP just south of 4.00 in AA
There’s a reason he’s falling in prospect rankings.
It's finally all gotten to gondee...
#gondeee Talking Chop
Would someone get traded already!
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
sighs
i feel the same way.. believe me…
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Has anyone seen or know
what kind of financial flexibility Braves are dealing with?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if Hunter Pence was a serious possibility — and apparently he was — then we have sufficient flexibility for just about anybody who’s currently being dangled.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Dude... there's something i've been meaning to ask you for a long time...
how the hell do you get inside a Twinkie ….?
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Where is your tagline from? I need to punch someone…
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
John Hart in The Rundown on MLBN
Said that the perfect fit for the Braves would be Marlon Byrd
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Is he a Cub fan?
Better than Willingham, Ludwick… but… sigh not the full-time CF I was looking for.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Do not want
Old player, reverse splits
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Bourn
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
reeling #reds going hard for bourn, as @Ken_Rosenthal reported. price set by #astros said to be high. #tradedeadline
The price is high? Big shock. Better be for a division rival, especially. Another sigh….
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
OT
Where is the best place to sit at Turner Field?
I’m going to the Cubs series and need to buy my tickets.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
I haven’t really sat all over, but I really like section 113. Somewhere in that area is great. My logic is that there is often a play at 1st so you maximize the action and get to be right by the dugout.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
You may be too late.
but there really aren’t many bad seats. I’m forced to sit upper deck cause I waited so long, but even those are really good seats. I prefer right field though.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Stub hub has literally thousands of tickets to those games. I’m good.
:D
What I think I’m going to do is sit in a different spot each game. That would make it a better experience, IMO
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm doing
I’m going right to left over the weekend.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My preference right field..
it used to only be to heckle francouer when he was constantly failing..but it kinda of just developed into easy access in and out of the park..
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I love right field, too.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Night games – great; day games: impossible to see, and you’ll fry.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Worth noting that comparable tickets are more expensive to the Bobby Cox game than NLDS game 3….
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I only see about a $9 increase on the dugout-level seats. Totally worth it!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Increase compared to the other cubs games?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Yeah
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you tried the Turnerfield interactive seat thingy. It’s pretty cool, gives you a picture from every section
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/atl/ticketing/seating_and_pricing.jsp
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Looking again
The dugout section for Bobby Night (oooh, one of my all time favorite college coaches!) is $89. For Saturday, it’s $80. For Sunday, it’s $49.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that’s crazy. If the Sunday game is an afternoon game it’s going to be hot and sunny in those seats though so beware.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I went to a game a few years ago against the Tigers. It was a Saturday afternoon game, and temperatures were well over 100*. I was roasted.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I was at that game! Was it in ’07? That was a brutally hot day. My wife got too hot and we ended up watching most of the game in the First Aid room.
But they did give us a golf cart ride to our car!
Yeah, it was 07. Verlander pitched against Smoltz, I think. Chipper hit a HR.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Smoltz. I think it was actually Mike Hampton of all people!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be somebody just getting rid of that ticket though because that’s below face value.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I'll do you 3 better
http://www.stubhub.com/atlanta-braves-tickets/braves-vs-cubs-8-12-2011-1007460/
http://www.stubhub.com/atlanta-braves-tickets/braves-vs-cubs-8-13-2011-1007790/
http://www.stubhub.com/atlanta-braves-tickets/braves-vs-cubs-8-14-2011-1007791/
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I feeling a mini-TC gathering coming on?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: If you guys ever go to an Alabama football game at Bryant Denny..
I sat in the new North End Zone section all last year called The Zone..buffets of food and drinks(non-alcoholic of course) met a lot of former players..had a really good time..ever see tickets for “The Zone” sections either South or North end zone at a good price..opt for them.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
Alabama Football game? What did I do to deserve that kind of punishment? I mean put jumper cables on my nipples please, but don’t make me go to Bryant Denny.
Perhaps the zone seating is a result of Denny’s waitresses being confused by all the rednecks walking into the stadium? Maybe they felt so at home that they decided to set up shop?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Umk..you've been to bryant denny how many times?
one of the nicer college stadiums in college football..i’ve sat in the swamp in Florida..been a mile up at death valley same thing in south carolina..thought I was at a garbage truck workers convention in tennessee..arkansas what can u say..georgia was pretty nice..and thought I was at a high school game in starkville..and auburn..oh dear lord..don’t let me even describe the cow manure smell that reaks in that place..
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Probably been 4 or 5 times. My dad is a big ’Bama fan. Bryant Denny is actually a pretty nice stadium and a decent atmosphere besides the people, I was just kidding.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Besides the people? most bama fans are hospitable..its the LSU fans
you should keep your eyes on..i swear those people smell more and more like corndogs every time we play them..
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slowed to a crawl.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
means wren and manno are behind closed doors..possibly a bunker..
they have a scheme up their sleeves..trust me.
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Let's start a rumor!
Minor and Vizcaino to Detroit for Alex Avila and Phil Coke… the former to sub for McCann, and the latter just because he’s got the right last name to play in Atlanta!
(An aside: I was prowling around rosters to pick a name a random to start a rumor with, and I noticed that Avila is the only catcher the Tigers have on their roster… WTF?)
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Per DOB
#Braves purchased the contract of OF Jose Constanza from Triple-A Gwinnett. No corresponding move announced yet
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Probably just sending one of the relievers back down.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Diory DFA
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Why the heck did they do that? Has to be another move coming as well.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Nevermind. 40 man move.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
is that kind of like the Truffle Shuffle
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Make room on 40 man for Jose
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
I wonder if
this will force the Braves hand towards acquiring what they view as an impact bat vs. incremental bench/platoon player
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
McLouth to DL
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
ML Debut batting Leadoff playing CF
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
Son of B*tch
McLouth to DL with lower abdominal strain
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
really
again?
not that he was lighting it up here anyway…and Constanza has been incredible at AAA this year with arguably better attributes
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
At least the injuries are happening in July rather than August..
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I mean versus last year’s timing at the very end of the season. We have all of August left and that provides a good chunk of recovery time before the final stretch.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Jim Bowden stating the obvious (to us) on Sirius right now
With Schafer and McLouth down, go get Upton / Bourn / Span… Mostly talking about Upton.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
Span is still hurting... so that'd be a waste.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Line up for tonight
1. Constanza
2. Prado
3. Freeman
4. Uggla
5. Hinske
6. Ross
7. Heyward
8. Gonzalez
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
mind=blown.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jul 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yikes, thats kind of like the AAA rehab line-up
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
by Santaklose11 on Jul 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF? Why put Heyward so far down?
It’s not rocket science to go Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Uggla, Ross, Hinske, Costanza, Gonzalez.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it become apparent that Fredi does not believe in Heyward? Maybe beyond Fredi?
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
To be honest i'm losing faith in heyward as well until he gets his swing fixed..
rolling over a lot of balls..grounders to 2nd..i’m hoping he gets it fixed though.
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Brown not going anywhere.
Phils say that they’re unwilling to part with Dominic Brown. I’m kind’ve shocked by that because they seemed ready to do anything for Pence.
I’m glad they are keeping Brown. Brown is not that good.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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