Lowe Struggles, Braves Offense Fails Again In Loss To Pirates
by TonyAlmeyda on Jul 28, 2011 11:50 PM EDT
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PrintWhen an offense records 11 hits in a game, one would expect more than two runs.
The Braves' bats again fail to deliver when they need to and the Pirates spoil their chance at winning the four-game series, beating the Braves 5-2.
Derek Lowe was looking to win his 11th straight decision against the Pirates, but they were able to spoil those plans, making him work some deep counts in the process. Lowe threw 80 pitches through the first four innings, and gave up a game-tying RBI single to his counterpart Kevin Correia in the second inning. The Braves had taken the early lead with an RBI double by Eric Hinske in the first.
After a rain delay, Lowe continued to struggle, giving up three straight hits to start the fifth inning including Andrew McCutchen's RBI double. A run-scoring ground out gave the Pirates a 3-1 lead. This would be Lowe's final inning; he allowed eight hits while striking out five.
Atlanta cut the lead to one in the sixth when Freddie Freeman doubled and later scored on Ronny Cedeno's throwing error when Dan Uggla singled. The Braves put up no significant threat after that, and were only 2 for 9 with RISP in the game.
McCutchen's two-run homer in the ninth off George Sherrill sealed the game. Joel Hanrahan picked up his 30th save.
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If we added 3-4 feet in height to the center field wall, we would gain about 20 runs over the next 4 years. That low wall is our kryptonite for balls taking the bounce / costing us runs.
I have no numbers to back this up, but I guarantee you those 20+ runs would be there.
Most (most) of the homers we hit clear the wall by a good 10 feet, anyway. Regardless, we would still get some runs back.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Umpiring in this series
was absolutely horrible, 2 obvious safe calls in past 2 games against the braves, and one questionable on that pickoff, then of course the horrible play at the plate, and the strike zone all series. Hopefully it gets better, go Braves, and now, go Pirates!
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
After Tuesday night/ Wednesday morning
I’m kinda glad Pittsburgh split this
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
by Richie Grogan on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
and i hope Cutch was getting hot at the end for Philly :P
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
also Varvaro looked like his numbers indicate
was lights out his first inning with 2 k’s and a flyout, k’s to start the next inning, a ground out, then 3 straight walks and a K.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
re-correction
11/74… If I find out that’s wrong I’m not going to bother trying again. lol
When an offense records 11 hits in a game, one would expect more than two runs...
…unless said team is the Atlanta Braves.
The Braves had double digit hits in each game of the series (okay, we had 9 in game run). Yet we posted run totals of 1, 4 (in 19 innings), 2, and 2.
Yep. It’s how the Braves roll right now.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, so I won’t.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
I know we’ve been singing this tune for years now….
but imo
If we have a hitting coach that works with our guys on certain ADJUSTMENTS…. this stops being our big problem.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Astros reportedly "mulling" Braves offer for Pence
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I hope so...
I wonder what “mulling” means in this context…
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Only 2 for 9 with RISP
I don’t like that statistic. If one more hit falls, we’re 3 for 9, which is .333.
Follow me on Twitter: @hashtagbaseball
If it makes you feel better...
We can add up our totals for the series…
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Ed Wade Astros GM playing Braves (Wren) vs. Phillies (Amaro) in text book fashion… former GM’s Gillick, Schuerholz should be proud #TRADES
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
……..Like a Mantis?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ed Wade is not very bright.
It’s no wonder Bowden is talking him up. Dumbasses gotta stick together.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 29, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
at that price i hope they get Pence lol
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
RUMOR ONLY FROM NL SCOUT: Jarred Cosart, Singleton and Trevor May is asking price for Hunter Pence.. that’s a hefty asking price….#TRADES
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Way too much for mine.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Ludwick and/or Pence would be kosher.
Too bad DeNorfia’s name isn’t out there…
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
I don't see how...
Ludwick would help our team…
I don’t. At least Pence CAN play CF. What can Ludwick do? Take ABs away from Prado or Heyward once everyone’s back?
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
"Lowe Struggles" ?
Lowe always has guys on base. It usually gets him in the zone for the double play.
The rain f’d him over, on cue.
And then McCutchen stuck the fork in us after Sherrill should have already been taken out.
This hardly constitutes as “Lowe Struggles”, imo
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Write your own f-kin' recap.
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
by TonyAlmeyda on Jul 29, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't sweat it, T.
“Lowe struggles” could be the title every night he’s on the mound. After 2-3 times you could just write “ibid” and be done with it.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 29, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You realize that’s sarcasm, right?
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
by TonyAlmeyda on Jul 29, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
More or less
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 29, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Lowe is a hell of a lot better than the 5th option for a lot of teams
Just think, we had Kawakami last year as our weak link. At least Lowe goes out there and battles. He will never dominate a team but hell fire he has pitched better than his record this year.
Pirates split series with Braves
Braves move back into ‘Big League mode’
Pirates prepare to use The Force at CBP.
That one little shower, screwed our rythym.
yada yada yada, lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
"You could have at least bought us dinner"
That’s for the umpiring in games 3&4.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 29, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The umpire tonight was reminding me of Hohn. For games 2 and 4, the Braves strikezone was the size of a fist. And we split the series. This weighs in. Just unfair. Like life. lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Chipper at first
And the play with Meals at second when Gonzalez got the out were the really egregious ones.
The strikezone tonight was just weird. 4 or so inches off the 3rd base side of the plate and the same amount in off the first base side. It was like he was seeing double and calling the wrong plate.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
That’s one way to say it. Alot of our strikes were called balls tonight, is all I’m saying. Easy strike….. Ball. This accrues.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree.
After Tuesday, the Braves weren’t going to get anything close.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
But they did Wednesday.
That’s the odd thing about it. That’s why I had to look real close to make sure the ump tonight wasn’t Hohn. No clue what his name was, but I’m fairly certain that he’s one of the umps that has no fucking business being behind the plate.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You're going to have to be a litle more specific
25-30% of them fall under that rubric.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
Dear Fredi Gonzalez
In the off chance that you read this, please note that Martin Prado has 13 stolen bases in his career on 27 attempts. Also note, that he has 4 stolen bases on 11 attempts this year.
What I’m trying to say is screw your feelings, and realize that Martin Prado is NOT a good base runner, and instead of giving him the green light as often as you do, perhaps you should refocus those efforts over to Nate McLouth, who is an exceptional base stealer.
Signed,
Everyone with a freaking brain.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
Hahahahah
Look at this guy thinking Fredi G is gonna do something logical. Oh man, I needed that laugh.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jul 29, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe on the bases…..dude covers some ground in LF
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
lol….omg
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t cover any more ground than any other LF.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You make a gigantic, erroneous assumption…
That Fredi Gonzalez can read. We have ample proof that he doesn’t even have a good grasp of his numbers.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
you beat me to it
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
it was pretty random. hopefully they just saw it recently. otherwise…… lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s how you know he’s serious.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Genital warts? Check.
Gonorrhea? Check.
Scrotum on the snare? Check.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
Don't get me wrong.
I heartily approve.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
Is it so out of the realm of possibility for either Heyward or Pence to play CF?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao
Why? Heyward’s legs have never been the problem. The guy could cover some ground, and, who knows…. might even find his true self out there, what with no restraints, etc. Like Julie Andrews…..Sound of Music.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt mind that
but from what everyone is reporting if we do acquire Pence Jason gets platooned or sent to AAA to fix his swing even tho he is this teams 4th best hitter
fixing his swing couldn’t hurt anything. nobody is hitting .300 with that swing. or even .280.
He has to make an adjustment.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
People actually cite batting average in these discussions? He’s got the same wOBA as Prado. What adjustment does Prado need to make?
Prado adjusts……himself. lol.
But seriously, he’s about to go on a tear. Prado will be integral in August. Watch.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s such a compelling argument.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Blind faith
Poke out your eyes and get some.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You would be adding a hitter, actually. Heyward’s hits have been few and far between. I’m not coming down on the guy. Just stating facts.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The facts are that Heyward is our best OF hitter right now.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Our LFer is hitting .270, but I guess Justin has already moved beyond that.
And btw, I’d like to see Heyward make some more jumps at the wall. Even climb it a little. Use the 6’6-8-whatever frame to your advantage. Don’t just watch it sail over 5 feet above your head.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I forgot we were still in 1975 where batting average was the only metric by which we gauge our hitters.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Although it still counts for something. 1st number on the line. But of course you’re right. Ok?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
Justin?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
So everyone who disagrees with you is me?
Maybe you are just wrong and everyone except you realizes that?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree to disgaree. You do not. It’s that simple.
Your current (and past) avatar sum up your personality to a T. Maybe ask yourself some of those questions.
You take Nate and Heyward.
I’ll take Schafer and Prado.
We probably wind up doing about the same, really.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My personality is the two funniest guys on TV in the last 8 years? Ok…
What questions am I supposed to be asking?
If we were playing 2-2 baseball, I would win with a team of Heyward/McLouth.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m right because I looked at the stats, not because I’m making a ridiculous argument.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Prado’s swing will come around. He was on the DL for a while.
Will Heyward’s swing come around? …I like to think so.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s pretty ridiculous, sure.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why should he have to fix his swing in AAA
Why doesn’t Larry Parrish do his damn job and fix his swing while he is with the big club? It isn’t like his whole swing needs to be redone, just some minor adjustments.
All good questions. I questioned why Parrish is still here near the top.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
probably wouldn’t hurt anything
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I almost feel bad for Parrish
Almost.
He’s far out of his depth. His hitting coachship should be taken out behind the barn and mercifull put down.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
i have
no idea why more people arent calling for Larry Parrish to be fired. TP had so much hate last year
it's really a combination of things....
Some bad luck with RISP
Not making adjustments at the plate (swinging at balls, taking strikes)
The organization’s total commitment to pitching + gradual/sneaky cuts in payroll every year = outfield numbers get slashed. everything must go!
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 29, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Its 3 AM and im still asking myself
How does Jason Heyward not have a homer. You hit a ball that hard you expect more than just WTP
That ball was destroyed. I was sitting behind the vistor dugout and it looked like a no-doubter. He just didn’t hit it high enough.
Pirates struck out 14 times last night and drew 7 walks.
Overbay drew three walks and is hitting .229
We left 17 on base.
We hit into 4 double plays.
Every Brave in the lineup got on base.
Awful game. One of the more frustrating this year.
RISP - we need to get better at this.
Fundamentals of base running – we need to get better at this.
If we improve in even one of these areas, our standings will improve.
Absolutely frustrating series to watch with the opportunities we wasted with men on base.
~ "The NL - where our pitchers do more than just play with their balls." ~
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