A Couple Of Stark Braves Trade Updates
by gondeee on Jul 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
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PrintFrom ESPN columnist Jayson Stark's daily column come these Atlanta Braves related trade updates:
Clubs that have spoken with the Braves say they have three primary names on their buy-a-bat shopping list: Hunter Pence, Josh Willingham and Ryan Ludwick. The Braves looked into B.J. Upton, but don't seem prepared to pay a big price for him. We also haven't heard much that suggests the Braves are still bullpen shopping.
The continued interest in Pence is curious, since it seems like the price for him would be exorbitant, and there is still not a defined position for him (that isn't already occupied) on Atlanta's roster. I find it hard to believe that the Braves would downgrade their defense by sticking Pence in center field.
Hopefully the Braves still are bullpen shopping, though with so many other teams on the prowl for right-handed relievers the asking price for the top guys could be growing beyond what the Braves are willing to give up in terms of prospects.
Despite reports Wednesday that the Phillies are turning their attention to Carlos Quentin in the wake of their lack of progress on the Pence front, executives of three teams told the Daily Rumble they've seen no evidence the White Sox have serious interest in trading Quentin, now that they've pulled to within 3.5 games of first place.
There are still two teams in front of the South Siders in the AL Central. I wonder if they'd be looking for a Major League piece in return for Quentin, or just prospects. I have a hard time seeing how the Braves match up well with them unless they indeed do have someone who can immediately step in and replace Quentin.
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bring me Pence
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Fredi is also a nincompoop
And if it means demoting Heyward then it is a dumb move.
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by lingsched on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really bc it would allow Heyward to get swing straightened out back to where he was
his rookie year
You mean, he couldn’t do that in the majors?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
While providing average to above average value which is more than what Schafer is doing.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they would have tried him there in spring training to see how he handled it. It would certainly give us some flexibility with trade needs. I don’t like Fredi’s take on finding a player a position when they get here.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
Hasn’t he been trying? It seems not to be working.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So is there some magical pixie dust in Gwinnett that will somehow cure him?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly there'd be less pressure and the importance of the results would be far lower.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But even as bad as he has been, he’s still be better than Schafer.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not over the past month. Schafer’s been considerably better.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
In what way, exactly?
His OPS is 50 points lower.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
July
JS – .271/.329/.329
JH – .208/.274/.429
In that way
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Everything except power.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the ability to fail for a bit without consequence until he gets back in his groove
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
But that doesn’t help the team at all. That means that Schafer/McLouths fails will still be in Atlanta.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if we trade for a CFer
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
but if we don't....
isn’t that kind of the point. If we don’t wanna pay for Bourn or Upton, and get say Quentin instead, you let Jason spend a week or two in AAA, refind his groove, with the ability to adjust and risk adjustments that take a week or two to show results, and bring him back up.
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apparently not
he’s looked pretty bad at the plate this year
So am I missing something where it says the only place you can work on your swing or figure out what’s wrong is in AAA or AA?
I’m glad Dan Uggla didn’t know about that rule.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Pence and Heyward aren’t “natural centerfielders.” I don’t care. Both are athletes and baseball players. Stick one of them in center.
The Giants set the market by offering the 35th ranked prospect for Beltran. Pence isn’t a rental, but also isn’t Beltran’s bat. The Braves can get this deal done…if they want to.
I don't believe this....
He says they don’t want to pay the price for Upton, but says they are in on Pence? Pence will cost more! Go figgure?
Maybe... just maybe...
They think Pence is better than Upton?!
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Plays a corner though. He is better, but he wouldn’t have a position, or someone else who is good will lose PT to him.
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by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
still thinks he could be fine in CF
and better there than McLouth would be.
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he has played center before
Doesn’t mean he’s good there, but he does have experience. I’m still holding out hope its Bourn they get instead of Pence.
Plays a corner though. He is better, but he wouldn’t have a position, or someone else who is good will lose PT to him.
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by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for double post.
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by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No problem with that...
But if it’s true that FW has drawn a hard line in the sand and won’t trade one of the 4, that takes us out of the mix for Pence as well. Pence’s cost will be higher because he has the better numbers and plays on a team that it would take a boat load to move their franchise player. If he won’t move one of the 4, he’s not going to swallow his pride and move 2 of them for Pence ( rumor that they want at least 2 top prospects).
Plays a corner though. He is better, but he wouldn’t have a position, or someone else who is good will lose PT to him.
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I agree, Listed that reason a few days ago. Pence’s numbers are better. B.J. plays what we need. No one knows how long Jordan will truely be out. Could be back in 2 weeks, could be longer.
Regardless of how long he's out, he's not good, and he's not going to be.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He still could be good. He just isn’t there yet.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Jordan's the one who really should get sent down
Work on his issues without hurting the big league club by taking up a lineup spot.
Sorry, but a 600 OPS doesn't play for me, excellent defense or not.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence the whole “he could be, but he isn’t yet” part…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't we been hearing that story for three years now?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
2 major wrist injuries kind of take time to heal.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And if you show NO signs of improvement?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Except he’s been improving?
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Let me break your wrist and see if you start to do things better than you did before after 2 years.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, if your OPS is 600 for one year it's 600 for your career.
That's just how it works.
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It IS 600 for his career!
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Spread over three years.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t have to like Jordan, That’s even a bigger reason why the Braves should go after B.J. If you don’t think Jordan will be a good or servicable player, who will play CF next year? I dissagree and think Jordan will be okay. But If he doesn’t pan out, it’d be nice to have someone who plays excellent defense in CF and can steal a few bases.
I just don't see the point of trading for a corner outfielder.
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by SCrebel10 on Jul 28, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bench bat...
and as gondee said in the post earlier today, insurance for when/if he gets hurt in August or September, or someone else goes down in August or September.
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Seems like an awful lot for a bench bat… whichever corner outfielder we’re talking about.
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I'd think Willingham and Ludwick would be cheap
not Nieves for $1 cheap, but still pretty cheap.
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He is stuck with “$1 Nieves” forever, isn’t he? (Not that anyone will remember him in 5 years).
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that’s why we talk about his brother from time to time, and hate the Nick Esasky signing.
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I'll take anybody mentioned if the price is right.
Would prefer not Ludwick and I don’t understand why we’re not looking at Bourn…
But that’s fine.
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Bourn
He’s just another .200 left-handed bat
bourne hits .284 against letfies
very consistent
Bourn vs LHP 2011: .284/.339/.394/.733
I don’t know where you got that .200 from at all.
And he’s actually a CF, unlike some of the other players we’re looking at.
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and leading MLB in steals, which the Braves lack of
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
im just adding to what supernewb said.. and it will be like having Reyes on our team
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't, but it's a nice bonus.
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking ‘secondary concern’ – given the bat needs and AAA possibilities already available.
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I think it's smart, actually.
There are middle relievers who come out of nowhere to dominate all the time. Take Peter Moylan for example. He was an afterthought back in ’06, but the next year he hangs a 1.80 ERA, and has been good ever since. Brad Ziegler is another example. We can just promote from within.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I think
They have plans to promote Vizcaino to the mLB bullpen at some point
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by HansonManCrush on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm confused by that idea.
If their concerned enough to want to limit his innings, why would they throw him into a pennant race full of high-leverage innings for him to throw?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it'll only be about 5 starts worth of innings spread out over 2 months
And he won’t be throwing the high leverage innings in the playoff stretch.
So he's going to be a mop-up guy?
Why waste the service time if we’re not going to pitch him in important spots?
P.S.: Just noticed my horrid they’re/their mix-up. Apologies to all parties involved.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No I imagine he'd pitch late innings in close games we're losing
Or maybe in middle relief (6th or 7th inning) when one of the big 3 in the bullpen needs a night off.
cause 2-5 innings a week
isn’t a huge strain on his arm, and his stuff has the ability to get outs in those high leverage innings against quality players.
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Why?
It’s taking a back seat to getting a bat.
They’ve clearly moved Vizcaino to the pen thinking he will come up and join the MLB pen. There are plenty of AAA possibilities… if anything it doesn’t make sense to get someone from another team when you can just promote someone. I don’t know why they haven’t done that already with Proctor but it’s clearly a better option.
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I’d trade Prado and pieces for Quentin, that would make sense for both. His reverse platoon split is annoying though.
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by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Isn’t there a problem with trading Prado though given the Chipper situation? For this year, if Chipper has to miss games then I’d much rather insert somebody in the outfield than have to play Brooks on D or put Lugo in the game at all. I also think that Chipper will play next year, and it’s the same situation. We don’t lose as much subbing for Prado in left as we do for Chipper at third. When Chipper leaves, it would seem easier to pick up a Quentin-level outfielder and make Prado our starting 3B than to find a good replacement 3B and have Quentin in the outfield.
Why would you even consider that?
Prado is younger, cheaper, and under team control longer. He also provides a lot more defensive value and has produced much more consistent offensive results than Quentin
This. Prado’s positional flexibility gives him added value, and he’s the ultimate team player. Giving up Prado and pieces for Quentin doesn’t make sense to me. If the extra pieces include Lowe and KK, it might make sense, but that wouldn’t happen.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse idea I’ve heard all year.
Trade a versatile, young, team-controlled player for an NL DH-worthy rental.
Brilliant.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Quentin isnt a rental
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How in the world are we still in on Pence but not willing to pay what it would take to get Upton?!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
Because we think Pence is better?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ludwick willingham upton
let’s think about this for a second. we hit .215 as a team against LHPing, dead last. okay so you automatically think let’s get a RH bat. and who you might ask? well sources say ludwick and willingham.
josh willingham is hitting .215 against LHPing. absolutely abysmal
Ludwick is hitting .265 against LHPing. not bad but no where near great
trading for one of these guys would be almost as short sighted as trading for uggla solely to beat up on LHPing.
LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FRANK!!!!!!! DON’T JUST ASSUME THAT A RIGHTIES HIT LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!!
Personally i think if all it takes to get Upton is Minor i say do it. I would rather buy low on a talented guy like Upton than high on a injury prone rental like Beltran. Frank did the right thing yesterday by not intervening.
You started out alright... but you tell Frank to look at the numbers (and by that I guess you only mean batting average for some reason)
And then you suggest Upton to hit lefties: .224 2011, .264 Career
AKA not as good as Ludwick, who you rejected.
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i know
but upton is a little different in that he is a CF and is really talented. i’m just saying that he’s a good fixer upper with a ton of upside. his stats are terrible though
You can't tell someone to look at the numbers
And essentially suggest they aren’t doing a good job because they’re not.
And then completely reject the numbers in your own reasoning.
That’s called hypocrisy.
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we don't need a corner outfielder
we need a CF. my point is that trading for a corner of for the purpose to beat up on lefties makes no sense when it comes to ludwick or willingham. i’m not really advocating for upton i’m just saying that buying low on him could be a great thing.
Well you didn't mention anything about Corner vs CF in your initial post.
So it was rather hard to figure that out.
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my b
just saying we don’t need a corner of to begin with so why trade for one who doesn’t hit lefties.
but with a little help from our vets hell turn around i believe… the rays dont have Vets, hell i think he is the vet on that team
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
With pence in our line up the phillies would sh** themselves..lol but i honestly dont see us getting pence.. But with Bourn and maybe Tyler Clippord ill be happy.
i want pence
but we can’t financially afford him.
zero payroll flexibility
I think everybody thinks that :D
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pretty much. I’ve even had non Braves fan friends of mine say that they think our ownership situation sucks.
yeah
good luck getting a board of directors in denver to expand our payroll for the sake of the playoffs. liberty media is like a wife who doesn’t understand baseball and thinks that it is silly to do that just to win.
except they don't set our budget or payroll
Wren does, and he’s been publically quoted saying precisely that.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
And obviously, he has a blank check.
That’s why we’re spending about half of what the Phillies do.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause forking out $20m per for Howard until he's 47
and 30 yr old pitchers with injury histories is a good idea?
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Certainly not.
But we should have some flexibility to get a player at the trade deadline if that will make the difference. There should not be a payroll cap.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Quentin.
BUT… if we get him, where the f does he play?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I wonder if they are considering playing Ludwick some in CF to platoon with Schafer against lefties? Though over half of is 300 innings in CF came ten years ago in Texas he didn’t embarass himselft out there and he has consistently been a corner outfielder with above average range and a good arm. He could play pretty much everyday rotating through all of the OF spots and also LF regularly if Chipper goes down again. Another big plus is that we wouldn’t have to give up any of the big four arms to get him.
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by bbxxj on Jul 28, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
RH relief
I wonder if ala past trades (Mahay with Tex, Farns with Ankiel) if Wren is looking to add the RH relief arm in the same deal that he lands an OF. May as well increase the bang for the buck.
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All i want to do
is beat them damn phillies this by taking the division and kicking them out of playoffs
If the big 4 arms are completely off the table then FW better have some big plans in the off-season to move Lowe and another starting pitcher. Otherwise we’re shooting ourselves in the foot right now by not trying to improve our team with more than a marginal upgrade, and any move that results in Heyward being sent down should not even be considered.
If it were me... Teheran is off the table and I refuse to give up more than one.
But other than that, let’s do business.
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Agreed. It would take a pretty sweet offer to trade Viz, but I have absolutely no problem letting go of Minor or Delgado. If we’re only trading one, I think it’s pretty much consensus around here that Minor is the guy who should go, but I wouldn’t be opposed to packaging Minor and Delgado in the same deal or separate deals for the right pieces.
I feel like there is a short list of available players that would warrant trading one of the big 4. Ludwick, Willingham, and Quentin are not on that list for me unless we’re getting another significant piece in the deal.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just trade Minor, Hoover, Zeke, and Clemens for Pence and get this over with
(lol if only it were that easy)
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I heard from somewhere that they will take minor hoover zeke with Nate
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that's bullshit
who ever said that was speculating and probably thinks we can trade lowe for rasmus
i knew it was prob a lie when i heard it
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard from somewhere they'd take KK and Nasty Nate
and that somewhere was the inside the hope-center of my brain.
The Yankees need pitching,...
KK for Gardner will be official by midnight.
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I don't want him
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
His stuff would be pretty useful in the back end of the pen with EOF, Venters, and Kimbrel. He’d be an excellent RH set up man.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
He's pretty good with the glove,
I was thinking he’d take over at SS. We got gardner for CF, remember.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
thats a lot of pitching
i’d say minor, clemens, lipka and andrelton simmons
Ugh...
I would not at all be happy about trading two of the position-player bright spots we have in the system.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Quentin play center?
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i think he can but it will be similar to having Beltran out there
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt say he was/would be good.. lol
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
baltimore trading adam
makes as much sense as us trading heyward
That’s overstating Adam Jones talent level by a little…or a whole lot.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
not really
when you consider that jason heyward has been terrible and jones is a young yet established cf who can hit home runs with a high average. those are hard to find.
A poor fielding CF who has a walk rate below 5%**
Jones will be moved to a corner before he’s 30.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
He’s established as a player that’s never accrued 3 WAR in his first three full seasons. He’s probably not going to make 4 WAR in his fourth year, and Jason already has a 5 WAR season…so where’s the comparison?? He has two years of control via arbitration left versus Jason’s four after this season, one coming at minimum salary.
They are markedly different players.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Can this please be over
so I can stop looking at “projected lineups” with trade targets? Please?
I thought hurricane season was over........
Couple more days...
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Dont worry
August 1st you can look forward to a lineup chock full of Lugo, Ramirez, Gonzo, and Conrad
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by carebearmafia on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. We’ve been rosturbating like crazy the last few days. That’s a lot of paper towels.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
An honest question
Why have so few people linked the Braves with Jason Bourgeois?
He can play center, hits lefties well, can lead off, and would figure to be VERY cheap compared to other options.
He has 0 power, but it seems that we could use a lead off hitter who gets on base more than we need more home runs.
Of course, he’s relatively unproven, but for the price we could afford to experiment, and I don’t see him being any worse than Willingham or Ludwick, both of whom would likely cost more.
The Astros are cutting payroll, and he’s cheap. I think they’d prefer to move some of their arb eligible guys who will be receiving salary increases. I don’t know if he’s available, but it’s likely the Astros want him to replace Bourn at some point.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Pence and Heyward
I know J. Hey is a premier RF from an arm and defensive stand point, but do we sacrifice and put Heyward in CF? I’m just looking at these guys and Ludwick, Willingham, and Upton just don’t have the consistency. I know that Ludwick is gone, but I just see Pence as more bang for you bucks, especially if we can potentially lock him down for a couple years.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
He's only played 5 games in the last 28 days...
Is he injured?
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or bourn
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hey i like Bourn i’ve been scouting him as of late.
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh.... I think that's an over-simplication of a complicated group of opinions
The only thing I’ve accepted is that someone is going to be pissed of and someone is going to be really happy no matter what happens. And there’s going to be a huge argument where a bunch of people call a bunch of other people idiots.
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…and that’s different from a normal day … how?
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I don’t think anybody would take him.
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Kansas City
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems every year there is one guy we want gone...
Jojo, Ed Norton, Proctor…. What others?
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for not killin me on that one.
Greg*
Ed vs. Greg didn’t look terribly different either
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Ed Norton can throw a mean curve ball.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
He’s got an even better curb stomp
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't...
But I’ll queue it up in my list.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Strange, but really good movie...
Norton and Tim Blake Nelson do a great job in it. Highly recommend.
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I tear up for one of those.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about etc.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Willingham and Ludwick would be really small acquisitions
Like, maybe less expected value than Ankiel and Farnsworth. It’s better than having Julio Lugo on your bench, but pretty effing far from changing the Braves’ playoff picture for the better.
maybe less expected value than Ankiel and Farnsworth.
Disagree.
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Dodger shopping furcal
willing to pay a lot of his salary, i know hes an injury risk but a switch hitter thats miles better than agon
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
If he was left on the curb, I'd say pick him up
But I don’t really see paying for him. We’re set at SS—kind of in a bad way, but it’s a position where you can accept a really lousy bat.
When did we become set at SS?
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Since we acquired one of the best defensive players at the position last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
GIDP Gonzalez.... that's right!
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We already had one of those…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take Furcal or Carroll. Personally, I like Carroll better because of his OBP and versatility in the field.
Gonzalez didn't sign Lugo or promote him to the majors..
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Better give Furcal a physical first
He’s only appeared in 36 games this year.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
it’s time to stop talking and get something done,we aren’t the only ones looking to upgrade on offense.We missed on Ramsus and Beltran,waiting until the last day I’m afraid we will lose out on what’s lefted.So far as for furcal I say don’t even look his way.When we wanted him he didn’t want us,now the Dodgers don’t want him I say tough cookies.
It's not time to stop talking and get something done until Sunday...
This isn’t the debt ceiling or anything… If the deal hasn’t shown up yet and there’s reason to believe it’s going to there’s no reason to wait.
We don’t have anywhere near as much information as the FO does, and we’re really impatient… I for one am glad that Wren and CO are a bit more mature about this than we all are.
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I remember trading for a pretty good bat on 7/31 a few years back...
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
On this date two years ago:
“Let’s trade Greg Norton and Jordan Schafer for Josh Hamilton”- some of the people on this site.
Can’t have been more than one.
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I’d like to see where anyone posted that…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta feeling Quentin may be coming
There’s been a lot of recent talk about Quentin, Stark continues to mention him even as recent as 2 minutes ago.. Atlanta seems like the frontrunner
No
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not best case scenarion.. but better heyward than Prado.. and we need a hitter and at this point it may not be able to be a CFer
Heyward in center is not a scenario… period, it’s not happening. He’ll never play more than a couple of games there.
Apparently you heard it here first.
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You just Palin'ed
that situation scenario
If we get Pence, I don’t care who plays CF between him Heyward and Prado. That outfield would be incredible offensively and around league average defensively and we’ve been struggling with offense this year not defense. I see the addition to Pence’s stats versus McLouth/Schafer as being a bigger addition total than the defensive difference between the two in CF.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I think Pence could man CF if he had to. It wouldn’t be pretty, but it couldn’t be worse than Nate out there.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Then again, nothing Pence does is pretty.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would pay money to see Pence try and dance
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
It would probably looks something like this
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pence V Bourn
Price for Pence is said to be “4 can’t miss prospects” whatever that may
mean.
It is baffling to me why Bourn if available and not as prized by the Astros
is not THE target. He hits lefties and righties and more importantly
fills the glaring need for a true base stealing leadoff guy. If I recall
he has won the gold glove for what that somewhat aribtrary designation
may be.
A leadoff hitter rattles the pitcher, leads to better pitches to the 2-3-4 guys.
I is what I is and I'm sticking to my story
Maybe he is
I think there’s a lot of disinformation being leaked right now. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out in Wren’s autobiography someday that the Braves were never serious about Pence; they just didn’t want the Phillies to get him.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
That's kind of how I feel.
But defense (unlike offense) doesn’t slump, and you need it during those tight postseason games that are won and lost on one play.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s very possible that we will be down a player or two then. We can’t assume that we are going to be 100% in the Post-Season or even at the end of the season. Considering how shorthanded we were in the 2010 NLDS could another impact bat who is a marginal defensive fit ever be a BAD thing?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I'd rather see us get CoCo Crisp than Willingham
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
I’d rather watch an hour of Fredi Gonzalez eating Cocoa Crisps and opining about bunt theory than get Willingham (which doesn’t sound as horrible as it actually is, did I mention he and DOB are naked on their Harley’s during his interview?)
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Can we get Fredi a neck piercing while we’re at it?
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not happening.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
saw a tweet
saying he won’t be moved the yesterday
Organizational Move
RHP Anthony Varvaro recalled from Gwinnett. Wilkin Ramirez optioned. Varvaro provides depth in taxed pen
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
So that means we only have 3 OFers on the roster right now…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado should be at 3B…or am I missing something?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper should be back sooner than later.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like a trade is done, don’t it? Use Varvaro today, new outfielder tomorrow.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
I wouldn’t read too much into. Wilkin is useless period, and certainly useless if we are facing RHP. Bullpen is taxed because of the extra inning games and no day off yet.
But, we aren’t keeping 13 pitchers long term. There is going to be another position player soon. Who?
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Wilkin optioned because we’re trading for a CF
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Sheesh – are we desperate for a glimmer of news, of what?
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I reported it earlier today
Upton and Peralta from Tampa for Delgado, BEthancourt, Perez, and Milligan
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Oh, stop it, you!
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
It'll happen, just watch...
on April Fool’s a few years ago, a Nevada Wolfpack fan posted a joke story about their basketball coach taking the head job with Georgia. The next day, it actually happened. Joke wasn’t quite as funny to the guy then, or maybe it was a lot funnier.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Haha. Oops.
Oh no! Not Heyward’s platoon partner
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see Wilkin dropped (we’ll face 4 RHP in the next 4 games and he’s crap against LHP anyway).
No clue why Varvaro is getting a call up over Gearrin, Chapman, Abreu, Ascencio…
It hasn’t been long enough on Gearrin (no injury sub).
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Cory needs a little time to rebuild his mojo, too.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Looks like the Pirates are trying to find a "professional hitter."
I remember when the Braves had one of those once.
The Glider
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by Cammando2317 on Jul 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I want...
Furcal (because I’m tired of Gonzo), Bourn and RH reliever like Balfour, Bentancourt or another quality reliever to take the pressure off our big three guys in the pen.
what about Luke Gregerson
27, cheap, has been the padres 7th inning man and doing well
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Stark has updated his take on Carlos Quentin’s availability. He says there is “increasing evidence the White Sox are talking to several teams about Quentin, one of which is believed to be Atlanta.” An executive of a team that has talked to the Sox says that while they are not “bound and determined” to trade Quentin, they would do it.
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
I’m going take from that bit that they would be okay in bringing their AAA guy (Dayan Vi… something) in to play LF.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Yes, though he's had some kind of finger issue lately.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Quentin for Lowe
we get a bat, they get an arm since they just lost Jackson.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
That just makes too darn much sense…. I told you I’d be shocked, and I will… but I can’t argue with you at all about it.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Except I'm not sure they need a starter...
since they had a 6 man rotation with Jackson, Peavy, Floyd, Danks, and two others.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Don’t they have that Burly guy??
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I feel like...
they could get a better offer.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
FWIW
There was a quote from a couple of places that they “really like the Braves young arms”.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Well, nobody ever said they liked Lowe. But if you can convince them that he’s 27, go for it.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I thought that was the Tigers.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
3 team deal?
Quentin to us, Lowe to Detroit, and Ordonez or something to the Sox?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
But
If the Phils are interested, wouldn’t they be able to top DLowe
Mike Minor steps into the rotation?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Have they heard about this Proctor kid we have? I hear he got the game winning RBI after pitching 3 scoreless. He is supposed to be a great baserunner too. These are all things AL GMs highly value.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
That's an interesting definition
of the word “baserunner”.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
i love quentin but why would they trade him?
he’s their most valuable hitter after konerko and they’re only 3 games out. no chance they trade him, especially not for Lowe. they’d take a hit in value and an increase in payroll. put yourself in their position, you’d be crazy to make that trade.
I’d be eager to trade him too.
He’s posted a negative WAR 2 years running and this is the first time he’s had real value in 3 years. He’s a DH at this point. I really wouldn’t want to give up anything of valuue for him.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
This is a tl;dr situation since I just got here, but I'm wondering...
How many of you would pay the supposed “high” asking price on Pence (at least 2 of our 4 + some) if the trade netted us both Pence & Bourn?
If two of the four (not named Teheran)
got us Bourn and Pence, I would do it.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d do Minor and Delgado without blinking.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That came out wrong, but you get the point.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We get it…no one can stare that long.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If all we get is Willingham or Ludwick
and Wren tries to put a positive spin on it and make it sound like we really accomplished something, I’ll go on a hunger strike.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Why not Alex Gordon?
He could serve as a utility guy for the rest of this season, and could man LF next year with Prado at third. And we all know how easy it is for us to rip off Dayton Moore.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I like Gordon, but what would it take to get him?
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not much.
Dayton Moore loves Braves prospects.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
Tough to say, and that’s probably why you don’t hear much about him. It’s hard to put a price on a guy that spent half of the last two seasons bouncing up and down between the majors and minors before finally putting together an incredible season thus far.
The Royals are probably equally curious about him, since his pedigree was so high when he was drafted. If he’s for real, that’s a huge boost for the team. Still a couple seasons of control left, so they may opt to keep him next year and decide what to do then.
I also believe that since it’s hard for any journalists to peg what he’d be worth in a trade, they simply ignore him for easier rumor potential.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I also believe that since it’s hard for any journalists to peg what he’d be worth in a trade, they simply ignore him for easier rumor potential.
So it’s not just the TC writers who are lazy?
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well-played.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also a former Nebraska star and high draft pick
considering the size of their fan base in Nebraska, I’d say their somewhat pot committed to the man and unlikely to move him unless he reverts back to the form that saw him yo-yo’d between KC and Omaha.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Eh, maybe that factors in a bit, but I think the novelty of having Alex on the team wore off with his jumping between the minors and majors the past two seasons. Lincoln is just 3 1/2 hours or so away, so perhaps not. the team’s popularity may also have come back recently with his success…would be interesting to know.
Bubba Starling could be their next hometown hero, but he could also play FB at Nebraska. I’d say his QB commitment is just leverage, but maybe he really does want to give up millions to potentially get seriously injured playing a much more dangerous sport for free. If they let him do both, I bet he’d go that route…but I doubt they do. Starling’s at FB camp in Lincoln currently, but we won’t have the truth of the matter until Aug. 15.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
After bouncing him for so long...
wouldn’t they be more inclined to keep him now that he’s finally producing? The hometown boy aspect just adds to the reasons to keep him. He’s young, and could be the leader of their upcoming talent infusion if he has that kind of personality. I wouldn’t consider him on the Heyward, mcCutcheon, Braun, Longoria type untouchable status, but he’d probably be in line with say the jurrjens, Freeman, Prado style of we’ll listen but you better knock our socks off variety.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
That’s absolutely a possibility.
It really depends on their OF prospects coming up and how he fits into that equation. I know their system is stacked and 3B won’t be an option for him any longer, but if they can have him play everyday and produce, there’s not much reason to give him up before Francoeur and Cabrera, other than for significant return.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Twitter is stupid
I have Heyman, Olney, and O’Brien twitter tabs open and Heyman’s tab keeps showing a (1) for a new tweet and get all excited and refresh it and there’s no no tweet.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
What is it going to take:
ESPN.com reported Wednesday that the Astros had turned down a trade proposal from the Phillies earlier this week in which the Phillies offered their best pitching prospect, Jarred Cosart, and their best hitting prospect, Jonathan Singleton, along with another pitching prospect.
The Astros have been telling clubs they need four “sure-thing” players in return in order to deal Pence, who is signed for this year at $6.9 million and can’t become a free agent until after the 2013 season.
Its going to take too much is what. Phillies are overpaying, but can’t get the deal done.. Stay away Braves.
This...
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
Tonight's lineup
1. McLouth cf, 2. Prado 3b, 3. Freeman 1b, 4. Uggla 2b, 5. Hinske lf, 6. Ross c, 7. Heyward rf, 8. Gonzalez ss, 9. Lowe p
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
not bad
all things considered
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
These lineups of late
Remind me of the lineups we used in late 2008.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I approve.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
3, 4, and 6 are the only spots that provide optimism right now. But I suppose 3 spots is better than none (Mariners)
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Stark:
Interest in Pence exploding since Beltran trade (Phillies, Braves, Reds, Red Sox). Astros have "open mind. More in Rumor Central #trades
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
I'm getting sick of this.
Are they going to trade him or not?!?! And I thought WE were the only team that was still in on him!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I read that there is six to eight teams
by Prettyricky727 on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
A few days ago, the Astros apparently weren’t going to move him. And yesterday, we were the only team still in on him.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
That's quite the turnaround since this...
The Braves are the last team in on Pence, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. The Phillies “seem to have all but given up” on Pence after their big offer was rejected.
Bidding war? No, thanks.
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What the headlines really should say...
Astros really want to fleece a team out of up to 2 stud prospects for Pence, awaiting regression…nobody is falling for it yet.
Red Sox? what the fuck!?
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They are determined to be the best offensive team in history
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad their pitching is only marginal.
The Red Sox are seriously overrated.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
They need pitching not hitting
their pitching is filled with injuries and Lackey is just horrible.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize thats what they need
I didn’t say they did
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I was just saying
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, let's see about that....
Phillies. Only if they up the offer to include Dominick Brown – which is being rumored.
Braves. Best package for Houston: we have the pitching and prospects closest to the Majors to satisfy Houston.
Reds. I don’t know about this unless they spend at least half of their current bullpen — doesn’t make any sense that Houston would deal with a divisional rival.
Red Sox. They need the pitching and supposedly can’t add payroll. Their offense is just fine… can’t imagine this is that serious from them.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
If the Phillies "throw in" Brown along with Singleton & Colvin...
…then I hope they enjoy Pence, b/c I wouldn’t want the Braves to touch that.. That would be quite the facelift for the ’Stros organization.
by TolleyJenkins on Jul 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re gonna get all worked up and get Ankiel 2.0
Aka, Ludwick or Willingham.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Most people are already resigned to that
see my hunger strike threat above
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
for real?
so they show Pastornicky and Delgado and Teheran? In Minors? cause in 2K they create the names, the overall is not accurate at all and they show Teheran and Delgado because they pitched in the Majors for 1 start
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Has all 3 of those. Teheran/Delgado are both A potential, not very highly rated. Pastornicky isn’t very good either.
damn, The Show is tons of better than 2K, unfortunately I have a xbox
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It is also pretty awesome because roster updates will also effect the MLB team in exhibition mode. I played a game against my buddy last week. Chipper was on the DL, Ramirez and Lugo were on the roster….
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
yeah, that happens too in 2K
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, cool, good to know.
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
Another Bourn/Pence hypothetical...
Bourne/Pence for Teheran/Delgado/Schafer/Spruill
Do we walk away?
yes
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and add another position player
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 28, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We have no need for both...
and shouldn’t sacrifice the farm to have 4 above-average OFers
Truth be told if we land Pence I think it would have to involve Teheran. I figure Teheran/Delgado since Minor’s more “majors ready” and w/ Huddy’s 9M option + raises all around…money gets tight going forward.
If Teheran is what it takes to land Pence
then we will not be landing Pence. Teheran should be ready to go by the start of next year, and his ceiling is RIDICULOUSLY high. No way we trade him.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a perfect world we pass on Pence & land both Bourn & Quentin while holding onto Teheran and Vizcaino. Don’t really care too much if we lose Minor/Delgado, tbh.
Kind of agree
but I think we are all on a serious amount of medication to be thinking we’ll land two players. I don’t see us doing anything more than adding Ludwick or Willingham
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well life isn't anywhere close to perfect..
…that’s why there’s Walgreen’s
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Walgreen’s anything like my friend Rico?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Oh no
Wilkin and Minor need to invest in a shuttle service from Gwinnett to Turner Field
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
On the bright side
we only have 71 hours left of this madness before we can finally relax
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
If we get Willingham or Ludwick I don’t think there will be much relaxing…
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
I meant relax on the speculation
But I agree with you there. If that’s all we do, and Wren tries to say we got a huge impact bat, I will mail him a box of my crap.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we could get Kenley Jansen. Plus his middle name is Geronimo…
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
We might know something soon:
Frank Wren, Bruce Manno came downstairs, talked to Fredi Gonzalez for 5 mins, went straight back to office. That’s all I know. #Braves
Per Shultz
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Please yes!
Let us end this (in the appropriate manor by acquiring Bourn/Upton/Pence)
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Per someone in another thread . . .
Ludwick is not in the lineup tonight.
Per me: Please tell me we haven’t traded anyone of value for a 32 year old with very mediocre numbers who will likely contribute to the stagnation of Heyward’s progression.
(Door opens, spreading light to the now heavily shadowed room)
(Fredi Gonzalez is sitting with his back turned towards the door)
Fredi: I had a feeling you were coming..
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Niiiiice
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this infuriated me last night...
Bottom 4th: Atlanta
- F. Freeman doubled to left
- D. Uggla singled
- D. Ross sacrificed to third, F. Freeman to third, D. Uggla to second
- W. Ramirez popped out to shortstop
- J. Lugo struck out swinging
0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors
Pittsburgh 0, Atlanta 0
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by mvandonsel on Jul 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
unreliable in how he'd spin even observable facts
he’s a joke columnist not an actual reporter.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Same from DOB
Don’t know significance, but Wren & asst. GM Manno walked w/ sense of purpose to field to talk w/ Fredi for few minutes, then back upstairs
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
I trust DOB more
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely disagreed
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you disagreeing...
I don’t want a lineup down the stretch that has Schafer in it but not Heyward.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
Quentin would be ok
but just doesnt fit for us, we have Martin and Jason at the corners we need a CF
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
just don't see the white sox doing it
why trade your second best affordable hitter when you’re 3 games out. the whole thing doesn’t make sense…
very true
unless what your getting is great dont trade, and i wouldnt give up a great package for him
plus i’m still hoping for getting BJ Upton
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sold on upton
his splits are slightly better than schafer with more pop. he’s not a true difference maker but if he comes cheap i’m fine with that.
w/ Chipper eternally injured, Uggs getting periodic breaks, and Jason being unable to hit lefties…I think we’d have plenty of room for a Carlos Quentin.
Chipper wont always be injured even tho sometimes it seems like it
Uggla doesnt break that much
as for Jason well, gotta hope he gets it together
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 28, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i see where your coming from
and Freddi is great about giving guys rest
but we are fine at LF/RF with Jason, Martin, Hinkse, etc
we have more of a need in center
by bravesfan1047 on Jul 28, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“Yeah, Fredi, looks like we’ve got a deal in place…. can you pull Jason from the lineup tonight? We’ll talk to him in a minute, but I wanted you to know you’ll be a little short tonight unless Francouer can get here soon enough…. not sure he can with the traffic and all.”
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
My naptime dream:
we acquired Kemp, Furcal, and Jamey Carroll for Minor, Delgado, Hoover, Bethancourt, and Simmonds, cut Lugo, and DFA’d Proctor
What kind of narcotic causes these naps?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Haven’t tried that yet.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Throw in Kenley Jansen.
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
Wow
I need to start taking Ambien again
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade of the decade
Heyward and minor for Bourn and Pence
by tombowski02 on Jul 28, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ok, townspeople
Get your torches and pitchforks.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jul 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would no longer be a Braves fan.
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
I would personally kick Wren and his entire family in the balls.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jul 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
When something goes wrong nowaday isn’t the standard thing to do harass the entire family on facebook?
Hell no. I’m doing this old school. Swift kick to the balls.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jul 28, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter is too quiet right now...
I don’t like it.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
I mean as it relates to the trade deadline.
Pretty much everyone i follow is sports related.
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
There is no possibility.
It’s not MLB2k11.
by TolleyJenkins on Jul 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You could...
but you’d have to subtract from other categories first. And his BATEYE category is already bottomed out right now.
by TolleyJenkins on Jul 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Church played center for us.
Heyward can’t?
cue the Melky Cabrera .gif
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
and to think
i actually clicked in the tittle to see the gif… (so stupid…)
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
I was asking for it
my bad for the misleading title
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's less about ability...
…and more about not f’n with a once-in-a-lifetime talent. Screwing around with a 31 year old quasi-journeyman is one thing.
by TolleyJenkins on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
One in a Lifetime talent
looking more like Francoeur everyday.
Yeah, he's 21 and struggling.
But you don’t start tinkering just b/c you’ve been burned before. Every team has had their Francoeurs.
by TolleyJenkins on Jul 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Francoeur had a major hole in his game that was obvious to anyone who cared to look. Heyward is a great all around player who is struggling a bit with lingering injuries and a low BABIP that isn’t likely to stay so low.
except at his worst...
he’s still showing a plate discipline and eye Francouer never has at his best.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
It's just the frustration talking.
you’re definitely right about that.
Nate McLouth plays CF for us right now.
/discussion
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If loss of outfield defense is remotely less than offense gained by a LHP-hitting RH bat, I still pull the trigger and run one of them into center. Shit, let’s put Uggla in at Rover and let Sea Bass cover all of the middle infield.
by crimsonqueen9 on Jul 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
'Come on Padres... taken the lead vs. DBacks in the 6th! 4-3.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
The Cuban Missile?
What if the Braves are talking about acquiring Alexei Ramirez?
by HI State of Mind on Jul 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
29 y/o infielder w/ a career line of .280/.324/.424 with good to great fielding?
It’s definitely IMPROVEMENT on Sea Bass…but I don’t know if it’s THAT much improvement.
Uh, yea it is
40 point Avr. & OBP bump with fewer Ks and more reliable pop and only slight defensive downgrading? You bet your ass
by crimsonqueen9 on Jul 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering it would definitely cost a nice bit to acquire him, I don’t know if it’s worthwhile. Especially considering Pastornicky is gaining favor in the community.
FWIW I’m pretty sure it’s technically an upgrade defensively.
If anyone would actually let the presence of Pastornicky get in the way of acquiring Alexei
They need to get their head checked. Pastornicky isn’t even a sure thing to stick at SS due to only decent range and a very fringy arm. He’s more likely to end up a utility infielder at this point than he is a first division starting SS.
I don’t know. Perhaps I’m just one of the few that don’t “love” Alexei Ramirez. Not saying I do love Pastornicky, but I just don’t think I would necessarily view Alexei as a long-term fix.
I think most of the support for Pastornicky is actually just redirected venom from Seabass’s poor play. If we were getting production from SS right now, there wouldn’t be nearly as much hype over Pastornicky.
That being the case, do we support a move involving a good prospect for a 29 y/o defensive SS that’s pretty much maxed out his potential?
Almost every player in the majors hits better at home than the road
I mean Chicago is a little hitter friendly, but you’d be acquiring Ramirez more for his glove than his bat anyway.
That seems like a pessimistic way to put it
You could just as easily reword it as “trade from a surplus of young SP depth to fill a gaping need at SS with a player in his prime who’s on pace to put up a second consecutive 4-5 WAR season.”
That being said, I personally would love to get a guy like Alexei, but I think the price would be terribly steep, since the White Sox are probably looking to build around him. And that’s even assuming he’s “available.”
why does everyone think the whitesox are sellers?
they’re 3 games out and not going to trade young talent carrying their team.
Because Kenny Williams has said he's prepared to sell
Depending on how things look for the White Sox on deadline day?
Nobody said Ramirez was available
OP was “What if…” This is just rosterbation
Plus its Kenny Williams
Anyone on that team is available for the right price. Now that price may be Teheran, Vizcaino, and others, but Williams will don anything if he thinks it will help his team
In a heartbeat
There’s a good chance Pastornicky is never a worthy starter at SS for a contending team. Since 2009 Ramirez ranks 5th in baseball among SS in WAR.
Not sure why you don't view him as a long term fix
He plays above average to elite defense at SS, he’s a great baserunner, and a solid hitter considering the position he plays.He’s not exactly young, but he still doesn’t turn 30 for a few months. He’s also signed pretty cheaply through 2015 which is nice. The chances of Pastornicky ever being as good as Ramirez are basically zero.
Relevent questions about Pence
It’s really not complicated. It all comes down to these.
1) Is Pence offense + defense > Schafer offense + defense?
2) Is Pence offense + defense > McLouth offense + defense
I know that almost everybody here has a ridiculous man crush on Schafer, but crunch the numbers. Both he and McLouth are very bad offensive players. Gonna need an awful lot of defense to make up for that. Or Pence is going to have be very bad defensively indeed.
don't think Pence
is the CF option for the future.
As long as we are talking compromising things defensively....
Why don’t we do this. Let’s say we get Pence.
Pence plays LF, Schafer plays CF, Heyward plays RF (because I don’t think the FO or Fredi will demote Schafer) and Prado plays shortstop.
This would solve more problems than anything else, and I feel like Prado could man short adequately enough, and has shown the willingness to do whatever the team has asked. Plus, at this point, Alex has been so bad, it couldn’t hurt to at least try it for a few games.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Logan Morrison just tweet he is "off to Atlanta"
WTF?
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Ignore me...
never mind. Joke tweet.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Their game ended already
and they come here next. Don’t get too worked up.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OchoCinco to New England
I now believe any trade is possible
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
RH bullpen...
Moylan is apparently set to come back on Sunday (DOB tweet)?? I thought I’ve seen him with the team rather than on a rehab assignment, but maybe not. Or maybe he’s starting his rehab Sunday.
I don’t know, but it’s good news regardless of that.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Actually, DOB re-tweet of Moylan. Still unclear whether he’s going straight from rehabbing to the bullpen or if he’s going to play a couple games elsewhere first…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I understood this to mean his first bullpen throwing session would be on Sunday. He’s only doing long toss sessions even today.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
this is exactly how I feel.
Except about trade rumors and not elections.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-28-2008/cenac—-election-impatience
I AGREE.......!
this no trade bullshit is getting annoying….!
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Phils, Braves...
Scott Miller of CBSSports.com confirms that the Braves have talked about Ludwick (they have “significant interest”), Willingham, Quentin and Pence. He adds B.J. Upton to the list of outfielders they’re considering.
DKnobler DKnobler RT from SI_JonHeyman
According to @JSalisburyCSN, Phils’ targets (in order): Pence, Quentin, Adams. I believe that, but there are doubts that any of 3 get traded
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
same ole same ole
let’s actually do something (that doesn’t involve Willingham or Ludwick) already!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah…. meanwhile, Mike Adams just shut down the DBacks in their 8th inning. 4-3 Pads.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Speaking of Arizona
Did you see Justin Upton’s second homer last night?! That’s the stuff legends are made of…
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Adams in the 8th…. Heath Bell coming out to save it in the 9th.
Heck, if they’re gonna beat the snakes today, they’re practically honorary Braves.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
if we're going to pay a high price for anyone
it should be a CF. not a RF who’s going to be forced to play CF.
My daily Chris Denorfia post
I shall not rest until after the deadline! Plays CF pretty well, kills LH pitching. Ready to play every day and very consistent.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Ugh.. This offense..
Just please, do something, anything. At this point at least the bat coming in wont be tainted by Parish.
by murph35 on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Get Pence Prado at SS
Since Chipper is fragile, get Pence and put Prado at 3B. Or, if Chipper is moving, Prado at SS and AGon to the bench. McLouth, and Schafer can rotate on CF.
If you give too much for Pence, get Pence and a dependable reliever.
MIDNIGHT UPDATE
The Astros are “mulling” the Braves’ offer for Pence, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark (on Twitter). The Braves’ offer is “significant” and is built around highly-regarded pitching prospects, but does not include Julio Teheran, according to Stark.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
earlier in the evening...
The Phillies are making progress toward a deal for Pence, but they’ll have to reach an agreement by Friday or the Astros will move on to other suitors, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Phillies would include Jarred Cosart and Jonathan Singleton in a deal for Pence, according to FOX. The Astros prefer younger prospects and Domonic Brown is not currently in the trade. The Braves, who have “more restrictions” on their prospects, would enter the fray along with the Reds and Red Sox if the Phillies don’t complete a deal.
The Phillies have been Pence’s most serious suitor and the Braves have a high level of interest as well, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Angels aren’t seriously pursuing Pence and the Astros may be reluctant to trade Pence to the Reds and Pirates, two NL Central rivals.
(everything from MLBTR)
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
those bits are primarily based on this source, which has good detail, except for the part about what the Braves might be offering: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-trade-deadline-hunter-pence-houston-astros-philadelphia-phillies-072811
Note the end of the article regarding Bourn…. I suppose he could still be a secondary target if the Pence thing falls to the Phils.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
And one more from DOB
ajcbraves David O’Brien
No moves yet from #Braves, but GM Wren and asst GM Manno spent longer than usual in their postgame briefing with Fredi G.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
I don’t understand why people are so against bringing in Pence. He would be a phenomenal addition to our offense.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Yes... so I hope this is wrong:
The Astros are deep into trade talks and could deal Pence as soon as Friday, according to Zachary Levine of the Houston Chronicle, who confirms that the Phillies are the leading candidate to acquire the outfielder.
"Just take out the whole Tim McCarver part of the broadcast and boom, the director has freed up a whopping 45 minutes of airtime." - Rob Iracane of Yahoo! Sports, 7/13/11
Bench Alex
Let’s get Pence and play Prado at short. I’ll take the hit to our D. Our lineup would be sick. Watching Sea Bass hit is painful. Looks like Bernie Mac in Mr. 3000
by The Nasty One Lives on Jul 29, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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