Atlanta Braves Mid-Season Top-25 Prospects: 1-10, Latin Takeover!
Here are the top-10 mid-season Atlanta Braves prospects according to the prospect "gurus" here at Talking Chop. As you will see it's a Latin takeover, with the top six spots occupied by players from Latin America. After these top six there are only four other players on the top-25 from Latin America, but there is the potential for many more, as the Braves continue to scout the riches south of the border.
In the comments you may post your own top-25 Braves prospects for consideration by the community. If time permits (and lazy journalism does not get in the way, which is usually does) those top-25 lists might be averaged together just to see how off base all of us are collectively. (Current year stats for each player appear after that player's review. Stats are through games of the 13th of July.)
1. Julio Teheran, RHP
Teheran is the complete package as a prospect, he can push his fastball into the high 90s, but is smart enough to work in the low 90s to maintain control. His secondary pitches are polished, highlighted by an above average changeup and a sloopy curveball. His only real weakness is that occasionally his curve gets loose and becomes hittable. He's the youngest player in the International League by a full year, yet he's dominating the level. At this point, Teheran is ready to contribute to Atlanta's rotation, they're just waiting until they have a full-time opening for him.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| G-Braves | AAA | 9 | 1 | 1.79 | 15 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 95.2 | 72 | 23 | 19 | 2 | 25 | 81 | 0.84 | .211 |
| MLB | 0 | 1 | 5.19 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8.2 | 10 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 0.71 | .286 |
2. Randall Delgado, RHP
Delgado often doesn't get the recognition he deserves, a curse of his consistency. He's steadily moved up the organizational ladder each year, working in AA this year as a 21 year old, even getting a spot start with Atlanta when Tommy Hanson was forced to the disabled list. He can pump his fastball into the mid 90s, though it's more effective when he backs off it a little, which also leads to better command of his offspeed pitches. In almost any other organization he would unquestionably be the top prospect because of his stuff and advanced feel for pitching. His only real weakness is that sometimes his control escapes him, but he often is able to work around those issues. Delgado may earn a promotion to AAA in the second half of the year, and there's a good chance he will get to work out of Atlanta's bullpen in September. Next season he'll likely find himself in a similar position that Julio Teheran is in now, working to refine his game in AAA while waiting for a full-time opening ready for him.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| M-Braves | AA | 5 | 4 | 3.50 | 17 | 17 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 97.2 | 93 | 42 | 38 | 9 | 35 | 90 | 1.14 | .252 |
| MLB | 0 | 1 | 6.75 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | 7 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1.75 | .350 |
3. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
Vizcaino's massive, strong frame allows him to repeatedly push his fastball into the high 90s. He pairs the heater with a changeup that is generally 20 MPH slower, and a tight slider. Injuries in every season of his career have held him back, though he's still made it to AA as a 20 year old, leading to speculation that he'd be better long-term as a reliever. Short stints in Spring Training and the Futures Game have shown he would excel at the back end of a bullpen.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| Hillcats | A+ | 2 | 2 | 2.45 | 9 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 40.1 | 31 | 14 | 11 | 3 | 10 | 37 | 0.73 | .207 |
| M-Braves | AA | 2 | 3 | 4.12 | 7 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 43.2 | 38 | 20 | 20 | 3 | 14 | 46 | 0.95 | .233 |
| Total | 4 | 5 | 3.32 | 16 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 84.0 | 69 | 34 | 31 | 6 | 24 | 83 | 0.83 | .220 |
4. Edward Salcedo, 3B
Last Februrary, the Braves gave Salcedo the largest signing bonus they'd ever handed an international free agent, so many were disappointed with his less than stellar showing at Rome. The Braves would be the first to admit they rushed him. As an 18 year old playing professional baseball for the first time in a new country there were a lot of things working against him and the stress took its toll. But he returned to Rome this season and is proving his detractors wrong, establishing himself as the team's three-hole hitter and a consistent doubles machine. His 6'3" frame is already strong, with plenty of room to add muscle, and he's already adept at driving the ball. As a young, strong player, he strikes out plenty, but he is working hard on becoming a patient hitter. Defensively, Salcedo has been an error factory, racking them up at a rate that's almost impressive. A move from shortstop to third base did nothing to help that trend, as he's been forced to learn a new position on the fly. Still, scouts and coaches love his athleticism and arm, and see as a plus defender in the Majors. He'll look to continue his success with Rome for the rest of this season, before moving up to Lynchburg next year. With his immense talent, he could be the kind of player who moves quickly through the system.
| Team | League | AVG | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | TB | BB | SO | SB | CS | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| R-Braves | A- | .277 | 86 | 328 | 58 | 91 | 24 | 4 | 10 | 43 | 153 | 30 | 69 | 13 | 7 | .349 | .466 | .815 |
5. Christian Bethancourt, C
There was a lot of buzz surrounding Bethancourt after he had excellent years in the DSL and then in the GCL, but he faltered in 2010 with Rome, looking poor both at the plate and on defense, where his catching was repeatedly called "lazy". He started poorly again in 2011, but came back strong, dominating for a month before being promoted to Lynchburg. He has a big, strong frame, and while he may never take many walks, he should have the slugging to make up for it. That frame makes him a big target behind the plate, and he's worked hard to improve his receiving skills. His arm is a weapon, an 80 on the scouting scale, and he virtually shuts down opposing teams' running games. Bethancourt is still only 19, so the Braves can afford to be patient with him, and have been.
| Team | League | AVG | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | TB | BB | SO | SB | CS | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| R-Braves | A- | .303 | 54 | 221 | 25 | 67 | 10 | 3 | 4 | 33 | 95 | 8 | 27 | 6 | 3 | .323 | .430 | .753 |
| Hillcats | A+ | .222 | 15 | 54 | 3 | 12 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 2 | .232 | .259 | .491 |
| Total | .287 | 69 | 275 | 28 | 79 | 12 | 3 | 4 | 37 | 109 | 9 | 37 | 6 | 5 | .306 | .396 | .702 |
6. Carlos Perez, LHP
Perez was absolutely filthy last year for Danville, earning him a quick promotion to Rome, where he was equally filthy, but a stress fracture in his non-throwing shoulder ended his season in July. He came back to Rome this year, and while his first full season had been marked by inconsistency, he's still shown the potential that makes him a top prospect. His fastball works in the mid 90s with a ton of movement and his secondary pitches are developing nicely, especially his 12-to-6 curveball. Perez is incredibly skinny, and the Braves have been working to add some bulk to his frame, which will help with his durability and add some oomph to his pitches. The rest of this season is about learning how to work through the rigors of a full season schedule, before he moves up to Lynchburg next year where he should be able to fully realize his potential.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| R-Braves | A- | 4 | 7 | 5.04 | 18 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 94.2 | 108 | 66 | 53 | 6 | 40 | 87 | 1.52 | .283 |
7. Brett Oberholtzer, LHP
The best word to describe Oberholtzer is "bulldog". The strong-bodied lefty attacks hitters with an average low 90s fastball and a slightly above average curveball and changeup. There isn't a ton of flash to his game, but he consistently makes good pitches and hits his spots. He was a Southern League All-Star this year, though he's worn down a little as the season has gone on. He'll spend the rest of the season with Mississippi and likely be invited to Major League Spring Training before being sent to AAA, where he'll refine his game against the International League's veteran hitters.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| M-Braves | AA | 6 | 9 | 3.98 | 18 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 108.2 | 104 | 58 | 48 | 6 | 35 | 83 | 0.89 | .257 |
8. Matt Lipka, SS
After the Braves made him their first selection in the 2010 draft, Lipka had a fantastic debut in the Gulf Coast League, getting on base day after day and creating havoc on the basepaths, indicating that he could be the kind of leadoff hitter the team envisioned when they picked him. This season, however, has been almost the opposite, as he's struggled to make consistent contact all year and has shown little ability to drive the ball. Even when he's been on the basepaths he's been less successful than an effective basestealer should be. Lipka tends to be a front foot slap hitter, which has allowed professional pitchers to take advantage of his agressiveness. As he moves up, he'll need to learn to stay back and drive the ball more, even if it still leads to bloop hits over the infielders' heads. Defensively, he's adequate at shortstop, though neither his arm or body type seem quite suited to the position. A move to second base or even center field, where his plus speed would be a real asset, seems likely. He'll look to see if he can't salvage this season with a strong end of the year, though either way he'll likely return to Rome to start 2012.
| Team | League | AVG | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | TB | BB | SO | SB | CS | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| R-Braves | A- | .238 | 82 | 345 | 41 | 82 | 11 | 1 | 1 | 24 | 98 | 25 | 47 | 16 | 9 | .293 | .284 | .577 |
9. Tyler Pastornicky, SS
The Braves might have known something about Pastornicky the Blue Jays didn't when they acquired him last year as part of the Yunel Escobar-Alex Gonzalez trade. They immediately sent him to AA, as a 20 year old, and he excelled, and he's done even better after returning to the level this year. His biggest positive as a hitter is self-awareness, he doesn't try to work outside of his game, focusing instead on making solid contact and using his speed to his advantage. If he reaches his potential he's an ideal traditional two-hole hitter. Defensively he's solid at shortstop but doesn't quite have the arm or range to be a plus defender. However, he's well above average at second base, where his entire skill set is a huge plus. Expect him to see time with Gwinnett in the second half of the year and possibly compete for Atlanta's starting shortstop position in 2012.
| Team | League | AVG | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | TB | BB | SO | SB | CS | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| M-Braves | AA | .301 | 86 | 339 | 48 | 102 | 11 | 5 | 6 | 36 | 141 | 22 | 34 | 20 | 7 | .345 | .416 | .761 |
10. Paul Clemens, RHP
He has already thrown as many innings this season as he did last year, and the wear could be starting to show, as his ERA has ballooned in the past month. The Braves weren't sure whether Clemens was a starter or a reliever last year, and bounced him between roles. He's started exclusively this year, and was one of the more successful and unhittable pitchers in the system earlier in the season, but that trend has reversed itself with Clemens getting lit up in several starts. He is still a quality prospect, but we'll have to see how he handles the innings load this year as to whether he will ultimately wind up in the pen or in the rotation.
| Team | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | GO/AO | AVG |
| M-Braves | AA | 6 | 5 | 3.90 | 17 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 94.2 | 92 | 51 | 41 | 8 | 38 | 80 | 0.96 | .253 |
The Complete List:
1. Julio Teheran, RHP
2. Randall Delgado, RHP
3. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
4. Edward Salcedo, 3B
5. Christian Bethancourt, C
6. Carlos Perez, LHP
7. Brett Oberholtzer, LHP
8. Matt Lipka, SS
9. Tyler Pastornicky, SS
10. Paul Clemens, RHP
11. J.J. Hoover, RHP
12. Zeke Spruill, RHP
13. Cory Gearrin, RHP
14. Mycal Jones, CF
15. Andrelton Simmons, SS
16. Adam Milligan, OF
17. Joe Terdoslavich, 1B/OF
18. Dimasther Delgado, LHP
19. Brandon Drury, 3B
20. Andy Otero, LHP
21. Todd Cunningham, CF
22. Billy Bullock, RHP
23. Juan Abreu, RHP
24. J.R. Graham, RHP
25. David Rohm, OF
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6 out of the 10 are pitchers.
Very impressive. Future looks bright. Where my shades
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Quick scouting q...
Can someone please give me a ranking on Vizcaino’s change-up on the 20-80 scale? I assume the train of thought of his potential move to the bullpen is largely contingent on his lack of a high quality 3rd pitch. His FB/Curve are highy praised, and he is still really young, so I’m confused over talk of him ending up in the bullpen. Thanks in advance.
by OrangeBravo on Jul 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Haven’t seen a scouting report on him recently, but from what I remember it projected as an average offering. Along with 2 plus to plus-plus pitches with command, just having a “show me” 3rd pitch is still enough to be considered a top of the rotation guy.
I think the rationale for a BP move are more that a) he’s not that tall and scouts like taller pitchers because that attribute fits the mold of “workhorse” more, b) his injury history, while definitely too early to call a pattern, is definitely concerning and it’s generally considered “proper” to place someone with a history in the BP (think Venters), and c) his change only projects to average – it isn’t there yet. Currently, people could compare him to Tom Gordon with the FB/Curve combo along with the muscular shorter guy body type. If you look at someone and can see a definite comp to an AS, then it only makes sense to project him there.
He can’t do anything about his height and injuries are a part of the game (especially for pitchers), so watch the development of his change. 20 MPH is too much differential between his FB and change, it should be closer to 10 MPH. Along with the velo differential, movement and command of the pitch will prolly only some from advanced scouting reports, so we’ll have to wait and see there.
Yeah my WAG for a current grade would probably be ~35
That velocity differential makes me think the pitch would be all but unusable at the MLB level. To get that sort of difference, he’s almost certainly slowing his arm down considerably, which MLB hitters will see instantly. My guess is he’s doing that to try and get more movement on the pitch, but all the movement in the world isn’t going to make that much difference when the batter knows what’s coming before you even release the ball (at least in the majors, I’m sure its not much of an issue in the minors).
Thanks for the response!
I’d hate to see an arm like his end up in the pen, but perhaps the change can progress to become less of an issue.
by OrangeBravo on Jul 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s interesting they only list him at 6’0", because I would swear he’s 6’2". He’s a big kid.
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I'll give it a shot...
1. Julio Teheran
2. Randall Delgado
3. Arodys Vizcaino
4. Christian Bethancourt
5. Edward Salcedo
6. Carlos Perez
7. Matt Lipka
8. Brett Olberholtzer
9. Tyler Pastornicky
10. J.J. Hoover
11. Andrelton Simmons
12. Zeke Spruill
13. Paul Clemens
14. Cory Gearrin
15. Brandon Drury
16. Sean Gilmartin
17. Mycal Jones
18. Todd Cunningham
19. Billy Bullock
20. Juan Abreu
21. Andy Otero
22. David Rohm
23. Adam Milligan
24. Seth Moranda
25. J.R. Graham
by TBuzz on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ya know...
Arron Northcraft is having a great year in Rome. I think he is promising.
2.79 ERA in 9 starts and a doosie at 6 foot 4
All this post did for me
was remind me of the sheer depth of our system and that we can make a trade and still have a ton of quality prospects.
Looks like it ain’t happening, however. Frank Wren:
… [other teams are] smart enough to know that we’re not going to be trading our young pitching unless there’s something extraordinary out there to us. We’re going to hold on and that’s been a key strategy for us over last few years, is to stockpile and hold on to our prospects the best we can. We’re going to continue to do that.
Top 25
1) Teheran: stud
2) Vizcaino: His floor (outside of injury) is a high leverage reliever. His ceiling is as high as Teheran’s.
3) Delgado: Can’t put my finger on it, but I just see something missing here. Still a good prospect though.
4) Salcedo: Solid numbers and flashes that middle of the order bat that has us salivating. Seems to be in the midst of taking the next step right now.
5) Clemens: more of a sign of a down year for our MiLB prospects, but he did dominate early for a couple of months. Has hit a wall that he’ll need to work through to jump into the elite level prospects though.
6) C Perez: Top of the rotation stuff from a LHP and decent periphery numbers gives him a pass this year for his below average production. Like Clemens, he’s only a step away from becoming an elite prospect.
7) A Simmons: Could be GG caliber SS. No power means that his bat doesn’t project, but there’s nothing saying he couldn’t add 10-20#‘s either.
8) Gosselin: Very high on him. See a Marcus Giles type 2B in the not too distant future.
9) Bethancourt: Has elite tools, but I want to see more out of his bat (power and OBP) and more D in his scouting reports before I put him higher.
10) JJ Hoover: Just see him as a possible middle of the rotation innings eater
11) Adam Milligan: If not for injuries, we’d be discussing him in the Salcedo tier of prospects. Has the most usuable power in our system with the possible exception of Gartrell.
12) Spruill: Ability to eat innings keeps me interested.
13) Oberholtzer: Decent production, but don’t see the ceiling as too compelling.
14) Pastornicky: High floor as a UTL guy keeps the ?‘s about his D from dropping too far in this list.
15) Todd Cunnningham: Just think he’s got a .300 bat in there. The bat will play.
16) N Ahmed: Good glove, decent bat. Why do I keep conjuring up images of Jeff Blauser?
17) Mychal Jones: SS/CF UTL guys are valuable. Giving him a slight pass on his lost season due to off the field issues.
18) Terdoslavic: Power potential means glove will play somewhere.
19) Lipka: Good to Great Tools, but his production this year is concerning.
20) Elmer Reyes: One of many who disappointed @ Rome leading to the dismissal of
the manager. He needs to step up soon or he could drop off the list very soon.
21) Mark Lamm: Moving quickly through the system. Admittedly, maybe a little high due to SSS though.
22) Willie Cabrera: Not enough bat for Corner OF, but move to 2B puts him in the discussion.
23) Logan Robbins: Just a hunch here: if he can stay @ SS, his power/speed combo could vault him up the list.
24) Drury: Honestly, haven’t heard of him outside of here, but that’s enough to make the list.
25) Oriel Caicedo: DSL guy is doing some work.
After seeing some of the other posts, I should include my "Oh ___ I Forgot to include him" List
Rohm: Would slot in just ahead of Lipka @ 19. Like the RH power
Hicks: Ahead of Cabrera @ 22. Could be another DeRosa who takes a step with the bat in his late 20’s. A good defensive SS wouldn’t need to do much with the bat to have a full time MLB gig.
Abreu: Ahead of Caicedo @ 25. Always a red flag when the Braves’ brass doesn’t give someone the call, but his arm gives him some upside.
If/when Gilmartin signs then I’d slot him @ 12 ahead of Spruill.
Top 25
Just based on estimated future WAR:
1) J. Teheran – Will get tops of opportunities to realize talent
2) A. Vizcaino – Hopefully will be allowed to keep being a starter due to developing change
3) R. Delgado – Good bet to be a number 3, scouts (BA, PP) high on him
4) E. Salcedo – Tools already becoming skills, decent plate discipline is encouraging
5) A. Simmons – I’m higher on him than most, since if he can hit even a bit he’ll have an MLB shortstop career (and it looks like he can)
six) T. Pastornicky – Will make the majors, at least as a UTIL – high floor
7) Carlos Perez – Has shown flashes of being good, and I bet the low minor’s fields and fielders hurt his numbers due to ground balls. Should remain a starter a while
8) C. Bethancourt – Some progress, has hopefully taken Javy Lopez’s spring training words to heart, still very young
9) Zeke Spruill – has shown durability and pitchability, will seemingly either make it as a starter or bust (same GB asterix as with Perez – though his does have Simmons behind him!)
10) Brandon Hicks – I honestly think this year’s performance has put him back in the prospect pitcher, at least as an offense-focused UTIL. I hope he keeps working in the offseason with other Major Leaguers.
11) P. Clemens – I think he’s a reliever, but a good one. Has obviously shown ability to dominate in small doses
12) JJ Hoover – I like the move to the bullpen, as his major league equivalancies suggested 4A as a starter. Transition seems to be going well – possible set-up man or long reliever
13) Adam Milligan – Has shown signs of getting back to being a power-oriented corner outfielder, I’m holding out hope.
14) Brett Oberholtzer – am a bit confused about the love for this guy – decent stuff, decent results, not overly young. He seems like an ideal LOOGy, since he does throw strikes.
15) N. Ahmed – 2011 2nd rounder has good returns so far
sixteen) B. Drury – Anyone who recieves such high praise from their manager so young deserves a high ranking
17) Billy Bullock – Well thought of by scouts, but not showing much result-wise
18) M. Lipka – Braves though he had potential for a reason, but has a lot to prove
19) A. Northcraft – Good results in Rome, projectable
20) Myke Jones – Still has ability and position flexibiliy, could see ML time evertually
21) D. Delgado – Seems like he may be on his way back to a back-end rotation prospect
22) J Abreu – Haven’t heard much about anything but his fastball, so unsure if he’ll see ML time
23) M. Lamm – Early returns good, gotta like smart pitchers (Well, some people from Vandy are smart)
24) Andy Otero -
25) Oriel Caicedo –
(I hate grading short-season guys due to so many variables, but the last two have shown something with standout performances and good scouting reports)
Didn’t include Gearrin or Ascanio as not sure if they are elligible. If they are, Ascanio would be 8th, and Gearrin 10th, with everyone else sliding down accordingly. When Gilmartin signs, I’d have him 7th.
Nice system, but no longer top 5 in the game I suspect.
Nice list. Myself and plenty others here would argue against Hicks being a top 25 prospect, but thats what these lists are all about. Good job!
What’s your problem with the number 6?
We fill this hole with foam and your man will float right up. I don't think that will work. Me neither, but I have a truck full of foam and six kids to feed, come on man, I need this. What about lowering a rope. A rope made of foam?
by bwellnjonesco on Jul 14, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Six key doesn’t work on my computer. Neither does the “y,” but I have that letter constantly copied so I can paste it.
I guess part of my thinking with Hicks is, say if he gets significant playing time the next two years as someone goes down and earns 2-2.5 WAR, it’ll be more than most guys outside of the top 10 (especially tempramental relief prospects)
Maybe he’s a bit high here, though
by Bravenewworld2 on Jul 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Speed dial?? They’re lazy journalists…but Gondee may have the number in his Rolodex.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I can only imagine the reaction from FW...
FW Secretary: Gandy’s on the phone again…
Frank Wren: Fuck…is he asking about Proctor again??
by TBuzz on Jul 14, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Salcedo is doing much better than I thought he was
Here’s to hoping he really just gets in a groove next season in his 3rd year of American ball.
I also like Carlos Perez a lot as a guy that could potentially end up being a filthy LHP power house pitcher
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1. Julio Teheran
2. Edward Salcedo
3. Aroldys Vizcaino
4. Randall Delgado
5. Christian Bethancourt
6. Matt Lipka
7. Paul Clemens
8. Carlos Perez
9. Zeke Spruill
10. Tyler Pastornicky
11. Myke Jones
12. Brett Oberholtzer
13. Adam Milligan
14. JJ Hoover
15. Todd Cunningham
16. Sean Gilmartin
17. Joe Leonard
18. Andrelton Simmons
19. Joe Terdoslavich
20. Brandon Drury
21. David Rohm
22. Robert Hefflinger
23. Aaron Northcraft
24. Phillip Gosselin
25. David Filak
We fill this hole with foam and your man will float right up. I don't think that will work. Me neither, but I have a truck full of foam and six kids to feed, come on man, I need this. What about lowering a rope. A rope made of foam?
Teheran Curve
How good is JT curveball? I asked because Keith Law has been kinda down on him in his latest transcript and moved Vizcanio ahead of him mainly because of JT lack of a breaking ball. Keith Law " not sure Teheran’s curveball will ever be an average pitch." Then he suggest that he might should start throwing a slider. I don’t really like Law that much but I thought his thoughts of JT was interesting enough to be brought up.
I’m probably mistaken but I think Teheran has a good slider that he isn’t being allowed to throw or throw often.
The Pirates are not going to trade Andrew McCutchen - please stop suggesting this.
by Pavy848 on Jul 14, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe you are misinterpreting Law a bit
He has been a bit down on JT, but Law being “down” on JT consists of him projecting number one starter status rather than conferring true “ace” status.
misinterpreting
I understand that Law still believes that JT has #1 or 2 potential but he has ranked JT lower than most scouts have so far. Even though he’s one of the youngest players in AAA and dominating with regularity. That’s why I say he was a bit down on him.
When I saw him
He didn’t command his curve very well. If he threw it hard, he bounced it. If he took a little off to get it over, it was loopy. Could have been a 1 time thing though.
I've seen him pitch three or four times now
and then also in the Futures game this year. I agree, he doesn’t command the curve very well, but he is still really young. I think he’ll get that kink worked out fairly quickly and should still be a truly dominate pitcher
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jul 14, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just more reason to dislike Law’s prospect lists. This is the same guy who last year had Lars Anderson 20 spots ahead of Freddie Freeman and after showing him all the reasons that was a poor choice his defense was “I just like his bat.”
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Last year as this past offseason or after the 2009 season
I remember him basically saying he saw Freeman as the good Lyle Overbay in his prime, and Freeman is already posting a wRC+ at Overbay’s career high level as a 21 year old. His whole thing with Freeman was weird. Basically just kept saying that Freeman looked stiff, therefore he could never be that good of a hitter.
I also think Law has a thing for BOS guys
I wouldn’t know why, but I always seems that he has those players a little too high. He defended Casey Kelly’s stats all the way up until BOS traded him. Now, Kelly is nowhere near his lists…
I just never like his take on things. He seems to focus on one thing about a player, one thing that only he sees, and that makes or breaks his entire opinion on the guy. Anyone putting Julio Teheran 12th on a list of Minor League top prospects right now just doesn’t have the eye they need to have to talk credibly about things.
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I like Law a lot, but sometimes it just looks like he makes picks just to be different.
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1. Julio Teheran, RHP
2. Edward Salcedo, 3B – next highest upside as a big time ML impact player
3. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
4. Randall Delgado, RHP
5. Christian Bethancourt, C
6. Carlos Perez, LHP
7. Matt Lipka, TBD
8. Tyler Pastornicky, SS
9. Andrelton Simmons, SS
10. J.J. Hoover, RHP
11. Paul Clemens, RHP
12. Adam Milligan, OF
13. Zeke Spruill, RHP
14. Brett Oberholtzer, LHP
15. Joe Terdoslavich, 1B/OF
16. Mycal Jones, TBD
17. Todd Cunningham, OF
18. Juan Abreu, RHP
19. Brandon Drury, 3B
20. David Rohm, OF
21. Phil Gosselin, 2B
22. Cory Harrilchak, OF
23. Cory Gearrin, RHP
24. Joe Leonard, 3B
25. Thomas La Stella, 2B
Nice lists
I’m anxious to see how these rookie league guys progress over the next year or two. I think we have a fine crop at Danville. Guys like Beckwith and Larsson may surprise some people.
Not sure why Kawakami isn’t at the top of this list. I know that he has had some worrying injuries this year, but come on he was a stud in Japan.
Atlanta braves are surely investing a lot on the Latin players; we can only hope that the Latin players will live up to our expectations as the fans. If they don’t, they might have to face hostile crowds on game day.
by mehmetozgur33 on Jul 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
In what world does this make sense?? Latin players would have to face hostile crowds why??
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I figured he meant the FO would have to face hostile crowds
Since if a number of the Latino prospects don’t pan out, we prolly won’t be very good…
If he meant that, it still won’t apply. The Braves have such a large amount of the current MLB roster on minimum salaries, and they’re all contributing greatly. The core is young, so even if the prospects don’t pan out, they can still cover.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
My list
Just in case anyone was interested in my personal list (as opposed to the published TC list, which is a collaboration between me, CB, and Matt), here it is with comments for some of the guys:
1 Julio Teheran
2 Arodys Vizcaino – Just awesome!
3 Randall Delgado
4 Edward Salcedo – He made huge improvements from when I saw him last year to this year.
5 Christian Bethancourt – See #4.
6 Carlos Perez – Herky-jerky delivery concerns me, and leads him to be inconsistent, but the raw ability is there.
7 Brett Oberholtzer
8 J.J. Hoover – I initially had him higher. I just really like this guy.
9 Zeke Spruill – He’s improved possibly more than anyone else in the system from last year to this year.
10 Matt Lipka – I saw him during one of his good games, so I dunno…
11 Tyler Pastornicky
12 Paul Clemens
13 Cory Gearrin
14 Adam Milligan – Ridiculous power, learning patience, and putting together good at-bats.
15 Joe Terdoslavich – He didn’t stand out when I saw him last year, but he’s made great adjustments and improved his at-bats.
16 Juan Abreu – Should be in the Majors.
17 Andrelton Simmons – I’m more impressed by him that most people.
18 Todd Cunningham – Athletic kid who I want to like. I just wish he would show us more. It’s lurking there under the surface.
19 Dimasther Delgado
20 Billy Bullock
21 Mycal Jones – His baseball skill needs to catch up to his athleticism.
22 Joe Leonard – Love this guy. Love his at-bats. I’m a fan.
23 Erik Cordier – Older for a prospect, but as a bullpen arm I think he could be Blaine Boyerish when he was a baby Brave.
24 J.R. Graham
25 Jaye Chapman – BigJoe talked me into it. Next Venters?
I also considered Nick Ahmed and David Rohm.
My Top 26
Including Gilmartin since he’ll sign eventually..
1. Julio Teheran – Who Else? Just waiting for room in the rotation
2. Randall Delgado – Right behind Julio…
3. Edward Salcedo – Once he learns to field, watch out!
4. Christian Bethancourt – Once he hits consistently, watch out!
5. Arodys Vizcaino – I think he ends up as a stud in the bullpen due to injuries
6. Tyler Pastornicky – may be wishful thinking but a possible answer at SS
7. Carlos Perez
8. Matt Lipka
9. Sean Gilmartin
10. Andrelton Simmons
11. Paul Clemens
12. JJ Hoover
13. Mycal Jones
14. Brett Oberholtzer
15. Brandon Drury – higher on him than most
16. Zeke Spruill
17. Aaron Northcraft
18. Billy Bullock
19. Adam Milligan – lower on him than most
20. Nick Ahmed – If Pastornicky fails, maybe Ahmed is the answer at some point
21. Dimasther Delgado
22. Todd Cunningham
23. JR Graham
24. Joe Leonard
25. Kyle Kubitza
wildcard at 26. (in case you don’t want to add Gilmartin) is the 17 yr old Oriel Caicedo
Thanks
Great stuff. While our minor league system has taken a hit from the promotions of Beachy, FF, Kimbrel, and Minor, we continue to stockpile our system with great talent. Looks like a top ten system to me. Great work.
even though he's having an off year
I love me some Carlos Perez. If he keeps growing and can develop his curve more, I really like his chances to be great in the bigs
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jul 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
VIZ
No mention of his knee breaking curve? ZOMG!!!
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I'll give it a shot
1. Julio Teheran
2. Arodys Vizcaino
3. Edward Salcedo
4. Randall Delgado
5. Carlos Perez
6. Tyler Pastornicky
7. Brett Oberholtzer
8. Zeke Spruill
9. Christian Bethancourt
10. J.J. Hoover
11. Matt Lipka
12. Andrelton Simmons
13. Mycal Jones
14. Cory Gearrin
15. Adam Milligan
16. Andy Otero
17. Dimasther Delgado
18. Brandon Drury
19. Todd Cunningham
20. Joe Terdoslavich
21. Paul Clemens
22. Joe Leonard
23. Juan Abreu
24. J.R Graham
25. David Filak
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I’m kinda surprised by so folks putting Cory Gearrin so high. Obviously, I think he could possibly be a serviceable ML middle relief man for some period of time, but I don’t perceive him as having a high ceiling at all.
I can understand why some would put him on his/her list
I didn’t have him on my personal list, but we can be relatively sure that he’ll be a cheap contributor on the MLB club for the next few years – even if it is at or near a Replacement level relief P at the end of the BP. Personally, I don’t see any more upside than that, but if someone does, then his high floor should keep him on the list.

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