Braves Get Shelled By Phillies 14-1 to Lose Series
by moorebraves on Jul 10, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
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PrintThis game could be described as absolutely miserable. The Braves got waxed by Cole Hamels and the Phillies in the last game before the All-Star Break. It would've been great to see the Braves notch win number 10,000 and pick up a game on the Phillies n the NL East standings. Nothing of the sort was going to happen. Derek Lowe's sinker didn't really show up to the ballpark today and nothing could go right in the field for the Braves.
Nearly every ball that the Phillies hit found a hole between the infielders or simply bounced over their heads. Lowe only struck out one batter in his six innings and gave up four runs. But when Lowe exited the game at a score of 4-1, the fun was just beginning for the Phillies.
The Phillies struck it big in the seventh, when Cory Gearrin and Scott Proctor couldn't seem to get an out and gave up six runs, all of which were credited to Gearrin. The fans in Philadelphia demonstrated exactly why they are so widely despised when they began mocking the Braves with the Tomahawk Chop during the never-ending inning. I try not to be too biased during these recaps, but if anything good came of this game, maybe Scott Proctor's outing will get him designated for assignment. The Phillies racked up a season-high twenty hits in today's game. John Mayberry Jr., Jimmy Rollins, and Domonic Brown all had three hits each and Michael Martinez, filling in for the injured Placido Polanco, went four for five on the day.
Dan Uggla hit a liner to left center in the second inning for a double and made his way around the bases on grounders from Heyward and Julio Lugo to score the game's first run. That was all the scoring the Braves could muster on the day, as Cole Hamels was absolutely spectacular, giving up just three hits in eight innings.
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Our entire outfield sucks right now.
As I have said for a while, we need to trade for an outfielder immediately.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
Well, he can’t seem to get his act together. And no, I am not suggesting we should DFA him. I am mostly talking about left and centerfield.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
by ChopMaster on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM PDT
I'm not sure about an OF...
but definitely a super utility player…
by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he hit another double today
so did uggla, it was a rough day vs a rough pitcher, i wouldn’t read too much into it
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Heyward's solid .226 avg is evidence of his complete season turn around.
The Braves need an outfielder bad.
yeah and since Ugglas avg is under 200
there is no possible way he could be turning things around lately
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
by austinhb on Jul 10, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh you must be a phillies fan
or someone who doesn’t follow the braves
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
nothing to see here
move along
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Proctor turned this game...
into slow-pitch softball metal bat BP. FW had better DFA him soon because his ineffectiveness is one of the reasons O’Ventbrel gets overused.
by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I have a new name
O’Flenterbrel.
Just seems to roll of the tongue better than “O’ventbrel”
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Anyone else think...
that one of our “needs” at the trade deadline might be another relief pitcher? I think we’re in danger of overusing these guys big time.
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
i think we all do
plus also adding Moylan would be awesome
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I think he’s going to make it back by September at the latest…but by then we’ll have run at least 2 of these guys into the ground.
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
by Richie Grogan on Jul 10, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Another setback...
His status this season is up in the air at this time.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jul 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Very disappointing, pathetic, and frustrating
That’s all I’m going to say
It is one lousy game.
Tell us your feelings please about ending the (unofficial) first half 16 games over .500, with the third best record in MLB, and 4.5 game lead for the wildcard playoff berth.
Meanwhile, the rampant over-the-top defeatism and negativity expressed by many TCers when the Braves are even behind in a game – it is much worse, of course, when they happen to actually lose – has just about convinced me to quit participating game threads altogether.
I find that type of behavior to be very disappointing, pathetic, and frustrating.
by fandave on Jul 10, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
as well as Heyward
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
That nice GouldisGold fellow
Keeps us updated. I’d be lost without his trenchant analysis.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
That’s pretty much why I quit GTs…..well that and the excessive leet-speak (sic?)….and the fact that I only get to listen to most of the games on the radio…but yeah, mostly that.
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
I am eternally grateful for the SCROLL bar. ;-)
"The NL - our pitchers play with more than just their balls." ~ NCChopper
Yeah I agree
I doubt I’ll join the in-games anymore. I only get in there a few times a week anyway. They used to be a lot of fun (love the humor and the llamasaurus), but that part has taken a back seat, it would seem. Maybe I’ll wait until we are up a few runs before checking in.
Welcome to the club.
I used to at least go and read them afterwards. I hardly even bother with that anymore, because it makes me sad to see this turning into the AJC Vents.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Nothing like a game like this to keep a team from going into the All-Star break over confident.
"Let's just play the damn games already!" said by Me
by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Jul 10, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
they got 14 runs off our worst starter and our 2 worst relievers
so while it sucked, I can’t really get too worked up over this loss
yep I feel the same way
I didn’t really care they lost by that much. 14-1 or 4-1… same result. It was already obvious that Gearrin and Proctor were our two weak links in the pen so their numbers will finally reflect that.
I really hate
That Cory is getting swept along in the Proctortide. There is simply no comparison between the two, other than the fact that they each gave up a lot of runs today.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 11, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
A week ago
I was ok with standing at the deadline with a minor deal for a utility player if anything, but I’m curious if Wren will listen more closely to offers now that Chipper went under the knife. I expect he’ll come back and be ok though.
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
From DOB... congrats it would appear are in order for CK
From what I hear, #Braves’ Kimbrel will be added to the NL All-Star roster, not Hanson. Can warm up quicker (as reliever) is reasoning
Two things about this news that piss me off...
1) Hanson deserves to go more than any other pitcher…including Kimbrel.
2) Freaking Bud Selig…making the ASG worth something so that such tactical decisions have to supercede merit.
Meh
it sucks for Tommy, but at least one of them made it. Of course, I’m surprised he wasn’t taken ‘in case someone is needed for extended use if the game goes to extras.’
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Bochy has already said that Vogelsong will be his long guy for extras
I don’t want any of our guys in that role ever. No win situation
I apologize, I meant that line in jest towards Bochy, however I didn’t imply it correctly. lol
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
All Star game = going into a back alley late at night. Nothing good can happen and you’ll only get hurt.
so shoud we expect anyone from the NL West to get the Dusty Baker treatment from Bochy? :)
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
2008 ASG...
My brother threw 2.1 innings in that extra innings game. Most of any pitcher that night. Most he has pitched in pretty much any game in his career.
The fans and coaches of Baltimore hated it at the time, since he was their closer.
funny you mention it, Olney was writing about the Phillies having one of the toughest schedules for the second half and while ours is not cake-walk, it absolutely gives us a chance to make a huge move on the division.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Best part of the second half...
is that the only “West Coast” trip is to COL next week. Everything else is CDT and EST, which always helps on travel.
Compliments...
to George for Saturday’s bottom of the 9th. They took some pretty off-balance swings and found some holes, but he got the groundout at the right time.
I thought...
Freddie was going to have that one that just got under his glove. That was a beauty of a cue shot that guy hit. He struck out Rollins, at least according to the Pitch F/X things that I have seen.
Glad he got out of it, since I would have never heard the end of it on here. Being a previous closer I think helped him on it, being poised.
Minus the 20 games in 20 days to start the 2nd half
I really like our schedule the rest of the way. 7 with the cubs in August will be nice
any chance Teheran knocks Harper off the plate?
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh look - the Phillies managed to tie us 6-6 in matchups this year.
So much time (and schedule) left.
We’ll see who resides in first in Sept.
"The NL - our pitchers play with more than just their balls." ~ NCChopper
I'm not gonna read to much into this
Most of the damage was done against two guys who I pray won’t even be on the team come September (Moylan and Medlen… Feel free to come back soon). I’m not even gonna get on the Proctor hate wagon. I’m sure he wants to be good. He’s just in a place he doesn’t belong. Braves fought hard this series. Just didn’t have the rotation stacked like the phils did. Blanton vs Lowe would have been more appropriate. Although, knowing Fredi, he’ll probably have Lowe as one of the top three starters come playoff time.
From your keyboard to Wren's eyes.
Something like that…
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
Gondee just posted
anyone think we need to turn Tehran into a middle reliever just for the stretch run?
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
What if...
we only get one or none at all? I for one would enjoy having a 97 mph fastball out of the bullpen
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
by Richie Grogan on Jul 10, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly it's something nice to have back there as a nice insurance policy
I think we’ll get another RH reliever via trade, and I feel good about Moylan returning.. Medlen still a bit of a question mark
Of course
both of them here and healthy would be another step towards the removal of Proctor. That’s considering he might still be haunting the pen
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not bad, ala David Price with the Rays on their run to the WS
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sit down and shut up, Harper.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 10, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Have a trade suggestion...
Koji Uehara-or-Kevin Gregg and Robert Andino. Andino has played a few positions for Baltimore, but is typically SS-2B. His splits against RH pitchers is pretty good…
After what happened in Boston
No way I want Kevin Gregg
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment."- Nick Saban
by Richie Grogan on Jul 10, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Having been away
I was curious what the opinion of this alternate world was on the idea of trading for a guy like Bourn or Denard Span, as has been mentioned in the dark alleys.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
who would you like to see, if they made a trade?
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that's extremely short-sighted
Chipper’s gonna be out 3 weeks, and then we’d have an excess of corner guys for the last 2 months of the year
it just feels like people are looking for a trade for the sake of making a trade. Id rather them stay where they are unless they plan to make a big splash for the long-term and I don’t see that happening. Just throwing blood in the water here and seeing what happens.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
wee going to address the offence, the pitching staff isnt going to carry us all year. We need a team that can score 4 or so a night. i know with the return of Prado that is going to help us but its not going to be enough, If we could find a way to dump Lowe on someone all the better,
I wonder what the reaction would be if he were left off the post-season starting rotation.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a lot of baseball to go before we get to making those decisions
so speculating on them now is just a waste of time
I consider it a tradition for foolish speculation at the ASB. He’s just as likely to come out and tear apart the second half again.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, cash considerations, and a half-eaten bag of Doritos for Alfonso Soriano.
Frank Wren….MAKE THIS HAPPEN and let’s pop the champagne, baby!
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
just hide them from Sherrill.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no...
but if he were paid in them, then perhaps it could be a 3 team trade.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, that’s why we throw in Kawakami, the Doritos, and the Cai$h….I mean, look at the numbers he’s put up in Chicago….do I have to lay it on any thicker, or have you caught on yet?
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
Drop KK
Throw in two bagels, a gas mask, four hamsters and a plunger. Cubs would be crazy not to bite.
hilarious
…that has to be one of the funnier posts I have seen on here in a while.
by Santaklose11 on Jul 10, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They would then be the fastest station-to-station OFs in baseball.
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
I thought it was uncharacteristically sportsmanlike for the Phillies to invite the Braves to Batting Practice, and I was confused why it would be on TV.
Then I was sad.
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
by El Soro on Jul 10, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
we may be despised by other fans, but Cliff Lee loves us :o)
by lpfist on Jul 10, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Go laugh at a green carpet.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
You must be so proud
In fact I think you deserve a sticker just for that.
by Santaklose11 on Jul 10, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
but Ryan Madson doesn’t
"You come at the king, you best not miss."
by a hooter's baby on Jul 10, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing!
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 11, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
but Cliff Lee loves us
No, he doesn’t.
He loves living near a hospital that can competently treat his son’s sad medical condition. Do not confuse the two.
by Santaklose11 on Jul 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
makes me smile
on a genuinely shitty night
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Braves fans should not read so much into this loss and Philly fans should not read so much into their victory. Enjoy the AS break Bravos. A new season starts soon after.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
A-rod is copying Chipper...
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6754883
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
so when is his induction into the HOF? I'm sure they can squeeze it in during a commercial break during the All-Star game.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d think he’s somehow been elevated to a position greater than Pope/Leader of the Free World…
by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like President of the World Federation in the 5th Element?
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Unrelated:
Bryce Harper has a damn cannon. However he just overshot his cut-off ‘League of their Own’ style.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
THERE IS NO CRYING IN BASEBALL
Yeah, he has an absolute cannon. Too bad he can’t hit ;)
God knows we could use someone who does…wonder what we’d have to give up for her.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A loss is a loss, even worse its a loss against the Phillies. However I’m not too worked up about it, in fact it makes me excited.
1. We faced a pretty tough lefty today and the Braves all season have struggled against LHP. The finger could definitely be pointed at Dan Uggla for slumping so hard the first half. However he has now shown signs of busting out of this super slump. Add on top of that that we will have 2 other RH bats in Chipper and Prado soon I’m not worried down the stretch too much about how this team will do against LHP.
2. The way our guys are currently pitching Derek Lowe is definitely our #5 starter and today he went up against someone who would be a 1/2 on most teams. If this was the play offs this game today would have most likely been pitched by Hudson and would have most likely had a completely different outcome.
3. I’m excited because hopefully this shows Wren that he needs to add a back of the bullpen reliever and not depend on the returns of Medlen and Moylan to bolster our bullpen. If anything he should make a deal now for a reliever because when Medlen and Moylan come back they would most likely only be a few days away from when rosters expand in September. Even if they come back earlier that just means our bullpen is stronger than it is now.
4. Also excited about Heyward looking like he is coming back around into form. If he gets back to producing like we know he can then the 2nd half could be big with Prado, Healthy JHey, and a non slumping Uggla.
GO BRAVES!
Did they just do the hidden ball trick in the futures game? I looked away and all of the sudden the first basemen was tagging the guy on (off) first.
On a side note
Vizcaino and Teheran throw gaaaas
What are the odds that we can get Jurickson Profar from the Rangers. Since we already have the Curacao market cornered.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
He has some nasty stuff. What is his ETA on the big club?
Next year or late this year if they want to put him in the bullpen. Could end up a dominant late-inning reliever.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
I think he'd be better suited for late-inning pen work than this year than teheran, if we had to pick one
bc he’s a fastball-curve guy, and his curve is a strikeout pitch
Agreed. Just would rather him in the ’pen at this point unless a third pitch becomes exceptional as well.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
If he can throw that stuff starting
lets keep him there. I mean, we have so much space in our starting lineup next year. What’s that? We don’t? Well, then back of the bullpen because we have so much space there. What’s that? We don’t? Well, then…….
#greatproblemtohave
still filthy for a guy his age.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the 0-1 pitch to the 2nd batter was a curve
his looks like its a tighter curve though, not as big as one like hanson’s
I’m not sure, when he was pitching in Spring Training, I think he used a hard curve, with 12-6 action. Those two pitches fell down and to the right, making me think it was a change up.
Remember...
Javy Vazquez and Boone Logan!
by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man it feels great to fleece the freaking Yankees…
by TBuzz on Jul 10, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it would be real nice if melky would have given us the kind of #'s he's put up so far this year
last season
See:
Corky Miller :)
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone see Busters Blog about toughest schedules?
I’m curious as to where he ranked the Braves and the Phillies. For the first half we were 9th with the Phillies 15th.
Is anyone here an insider?
Buddy of mine told me about it…Philly has the hardest, Braves are 8th I think…something like that.
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
NL
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't
we open with 20 games in a row. I hope Fredi plans to carry an extra reliever
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about August
you’re talking about the 2+ weeks after the break in July, when yes we play a lot. If the Mets trade Reyes before the deadline, August gets even easier
you are right
lol my bad.
Also I seriously doubt they will trade Reyes. They want to keep the appearance of a big market club plus they actually have the money to keep him once Beltran is gone.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Jays have the toughest in the entire league
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it looks
like our first half schedule IMO. A couple of series against the Brewers, Giants, and Reds. The rest of the games are against SD, WAS, FLA, PIT, and the Mets.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Beckham sighting.
K/W Effect: any current lead is equal to or less than the amount of runs surrendered by your closer when effect is active. The way in which these runs are surrendered is the variable and is everchanging.
by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:23 PM EDT reply actions
Not really that bad
A bad loss, but not horrible. At least we saved our valuable relievers. I’m guessing Proctor may be gone now.
One additional point: I’m actually a little shocked how aggressive and rude the Phillies fans on TGP have become. Maybe I’m just an old school fan, but I respect the game, and respect opposing players as well. Do I get warm and fuzzy feelings about the Phillies or their fan base? Well, no. But that doesn’t make me become a jerk, firing off rude and personal comments. I’m not a sensitive pansy, but their article on the Braves at the beginning of the series disgusted me. Are they really that classless? I really hope not. Some of those guys over there need to stand up to that BS. I only saw the article because I planned to go over there to actually discuss baseball. I quickly realized no one over there has any interest in discussion with Braves fans. My advice to all of us, as I’ve noticed that some Braves fans go over there to argue and vent, is just to stay away. Let them pat themselves on the back for all of the Hooters jokes and assumptions that we are all racists over here.
We’ll stay over here and actually talk about baseball. See you all after the break.
I have gone over there a couple of times and my priority was always to be civil and to show them an example of the exact opposite of what they seem to assume. Some of them are decent but seem to be okay with the libelous and disgusting personal attacks and assumptions made about the Braves and their fan base.
I just think you can learn a lot about a group of fans that want to hate so much, I think it speaks a lot about their character and CLASS (yes I said class, because to some people it is a real thing and not just an idea to mock.)
I agree that the most intense rivalries should be partly fostered off the field with fan interactions, but we both know who the primary competition of the other is, and hatred does nothing but fuel a sick heart.
It is also confirming that Phillies fans are really demented and sick people, and the exceptions, the ones who do not actively participate in the hate allow it. A fanshot here was put up celebrating Victorino’s injury and it wasn’t allowed to be place for people who wanted to be assholes to be assholes, because many of us reprimanded the OP and other posters and asked for it to be deleted. I just don’t understand why you would personalize your hatred of a jersey and a team into a hatred of a human being, it is honestly beyond me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
It is also confirming that Phillies fans are really demented and sick people, and the exceptions, the ones who do not actively participate in the hate allow it.
Really dude? This is the internet, not a funeral home. If people want to blow off steam on here and it really gets to you that much that you irrationally lump an entire fanbase as demented sick people you need thicker skin.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am really not bothered by it as much as my posting might indicate. But what if my response is to the same irrational lumping that you are condemning. For instance, broad assumptions were made about players and a fan base without proper facts. If you have a problem with that in my post, then why didn’t you have a problem with it at TGP?
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that while not everyone thinks that all Braves fans are racists (who support a racist institution that hates Native Americans) or immoral, the fact that people can get away with personally attacking professional athletes (who they know nothing about and seem unwilling to allow them to be human) with so few people saying anything in response makes me think that whatever reference point I have is insufficient for understanding such a group.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
First of all. You need to look up the definition of sarcasm. If you think anybody over there aside from the few wack jobs that every fanbase has actually hates those people the point of that post went flying over your head.
That post is a joke. Yours is serious. Therein lies the difference. When they make fun of these guys it is just a joke to lead into a weekend rivalry series.
And I’ll once again go back to the most important part. This is a blog on the internet, where people go to joke around and have fun. How in any way was what they said harming those people? If a late night comedian makes a joke about Tiger Woods do you start shouting at the tv?
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In my mind, it is a joke like a racist joke is a joke. I just thought it was the low road in my mind. It just seemed to be maliciously targeted towards the humanity of people rather than just talking about players or the jersey. The two represent varying ideas of fandom apparently, and honestly I think it is good that I disagree with you on that point. Keep on doing what you are doing, my intention was never to stop the practice, merely to shed some light on the nastier side of it.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Jokes are funny.
I have a very good sarcasm detector. What you have there is plain old mean-spirited, jealous anger and hatred trying to pass itself off as “sarcastic humor”. Which they have every right to post, btw. I also have a right to comment on it.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
It’s not about developing ‘thick skin.’ Their behavior is offensive, and GumpBrave is correct in implying that they are often out of line.
Is this really how Phillies fans ‘blow off steam?’ By attacking Atlanta fans and implying that we are all racist and uneducated hicks?
Attacking Atlanta fans? Stop, it’s trash talk in a division rivalry that isn’t meant to be taken seriously and clearly isn’t by anybody with even the slightest sense of sarcasm.
If you really think this behavior is offensive then yes, you need to develop thick skin because quite frankly right now your overreaction to this is absurd.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
#1: I do have thick skin. I don’t get offended easily. I’m not even offended, to be honest with you. I just get tired of attacks that seem personal.
#2: I didn’t overreact.
#3: I respect your opinion. Maybe you should do the same.
Listen, I’m sure if we were in the same city, we’d probably have fun talking smack to each other over a couple of beers. But what’s been written over and over at TGP just doesn’t seem like a joke or sarcasm.
But what’s been written over and over at TGP just doesn’t seem like a joke or sarcasm.
Then you need to re-calibrate your sarcasm detector. If it were a serious vendetta against somebody I’d agree, if it is a joking post before a division series I just don’t understand the big deal at all.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you know what sarcasm means.
You have to intend for it to be a joke or to be sarcasm in order for it to be a joke or sarcasm. Calling it so after-the-fact doesn’t cut it junior.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
And making up your mind that it isn’t a joke to fit a stereotype, when it very very clearly is does not make it serious. You can’t just ignore facts to fit a warped view of things and paint your fanbase as some sort of victims. It’s the same thing Philly fans do when they never take accountability for the rampant bandwagoning and drunken jackassery that can run thru our fanbase.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
These are some excerpts from a post that you don’t consider a joke.
This appears to be Chipper’s most recent school picture. I think he should have chosen the laser background instead.
Alive? Dead? Sleeping? You be the judge!
^ That one was about a picture of Bobby Cox with his eyes closed for context
I was mostly convinced he was dead in the dugout. Did anyone ever see him move? I’d say it would have been fun to see Cox and McKeon manage opposite each other in a battle of the old guys, but spry, energetic McKeon is the obvious winner — and he’s 10 years older than Bobby Cox.
Yup, he definitely actually thought Bobby Cox was zombie managing.
someday, I’ll meet a Braves fan, and I’ll kick him in the nads and do the tomahawk chop over his writhing body.
Call the cops, he just planned an assault because he is 100 % serious.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 11, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
She also implied that Bobby Cox would regularly beat his wife:
“When he wasn’t arguing some pointless call he didn’t like and getting ejected (or beating up on his beloved wife), I was mostly convinced he was dead in the dugout.”
It just isn’t funny, you could have said, Bobby Cox often gave the umpires the “wife treatment” and that would have been considered a joke. Humor is a really important element to the “joke.”
Anyway, the point that I think you are proving is that it just isn’t funny. If it had actually been funny I probably wouldnt’ be upset, but it really isn’t the job of the reader to provide the humor. So if it is only funny because you get to see hateful things in print then perhaps it isn’t a good joke to begin with.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I realize the poster is probably not serious...
when he says he would like to assault a Braves fan. Yet at the same time, just because he’s not serious doesn’t mean he is funny.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
You’re a much more calm soul than I.
What I find interesting is the amount of junk/hate articles they write up. Do you see any “Why we hate the Phillies” posts on the front page of TC? NOPE.
Do you see “Why XYZ Phillie Player is hated by all therefore not going to start in All-Star Game”? NOPE
Seems to me that they spend more time hating on other teams than talking about what is positive about theirs. Hey, if that’s their thing — fine by me.
It’s just annoying when they genuinely post garbage and then hide behind the claim that it was a “joke” or a “trap for idiots who thought it was real but it isn’t AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH”. That’s their #1 excuse when being called out on bullshit.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
It was all research for an article I’m going to write about Philadelphia fandom entitled “Sports Hate”
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Get off your high horse. I don’t see you correcting “moorebraves” for his/her sweeping generalizations about Phillies fans. You didn’t scold “sir veza” for suggesting someone should urinate on me.
And as for those sweeping generalizations: it’s ridiculous to call an entitre fan base ugly and hateful based on what a relative few have to say, just as it would be ridiculous for me to read your post and assume that all Braves fans must be bitter hypocritical babies.
but most of your fanbase does assume that.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Sorry, but I’m not on any high horse. Just calling em like I see em.
I’m not absolving all Braves fans, believe me. And I’m also not calling an entire fan base ugly. I didn’t mean to imply that. Rather, I meant to imply that there are a lot of people over at TGP who are aggressive and rude. There are some who are civil and want to talk baseball. And I’m totally cool with rivalries and not always playing nice.
I just think that the folks over at TGP should spend more time convincing us why their team is better than ours, rather than resorting to personal attacks. That’s it. If you were attacked, that’s not acceptable either. But my observation is not based on one post, even if you want to assume I’m a bitter hypocritical baby.
You weren’t around when I asked for a fanshot of Victorino getting hurt to be taken down. Not because it was stating the facts, but because it celebrated an injury. The reason you couldn’t find it is because it was deleted..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
We can ride our high horse if we want.
Why are you here telling us not to? If it’s okay for your buddies to post about what horrible, ugly players our team has, and how all Braves fans are racist redneck hicks….excuse me, I meant to say JOKE about those things, then I certainly believe we can post about how we interpret that without you coming over and telling us what to do.
BTW, Raul Ibanez looks like a shaved alien lizard-cat. HAHAHAHAHAHa. That’s hilarious, amirite?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
No. Calling Polanco Mr. Peanut head is far better.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 11, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Continuing the long history of TGP contributors bastardizing comedy hmm?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
“Are they really that classless?”
YES. That’s why they’re widely considered the worst fans in sports – basically a retard mob whose actions have less to do with competitive sports and more to do with their inadequacies as humans……and I use the word “humans” loosely…
Any loss to the Phillies is a rough loss. Period.
OMG soooooo offensive. How can he say these horrible horrible things.
It’s an insult to special needs children everywhere! Burn him at the stake!!!!
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And I know of at least 2 moderators who will warn him just for saying “retard” as an insult.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Which is the difference between here and there.
We’ve got a blog that features occasional comments by obnoxious schmucks (like me)
They’ve got an obnoxious blog.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried to have a discussion and learn that they are not actually hateful, but the only distinction that was made is that it is “sports hate” which apparently questioning a person’s morality falls into…
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I read this blog a lot and I see a lot of rude things said about philly. A common catch phrase around TC seems to be “phuck the phillies” or “phuck phillies phans”. I could go to your Sunday’s game thread and probably find atleast 10 different posts insulting phillies fans or hatred for a phillies player. Its very hypocritical.
Atleast people want to be on our bandwagon
Poor little baby...
run on home now.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Lol your funny. Thing is, Im not the one that had to write 2 paragraphs crying about stuff people said on the internet. Lets just hope the Braves carry their weight this year at the All Star game because I really want the Phillies to have homefield advantage in the World Series.
Atleast people want to be on our bandwagon
Go on...
mommy’s calling.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Most philly fans are like that
even for the eagles, but BGN is quite entertaining sometimes with their roasting of their own players
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I hope that's last we see of Proctor
At least for awhile.
Gearrin can’t catch a break and all the groundballs got through. When Proctor came me, I was afraid that he will give up a dinger and indeed that’s what happened.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 10, 2011 8:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The World Team
is pulling a Proctor.
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Cain and Chipper's replacement
How long are they gonna wait before announcing who is replacing them.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 10, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ok Rolen replacing Chipper. I wonder if Hanson is next in line for Cain’s spot.
by LEastCoastBears on Jul 10, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
During the game today they said that Kevin Correira was going to get the nod.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Ah, your right.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Harper going 0-4 with 2 Ks makes me smile.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 10, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
it wasn’t just 0-4…he was flat overmatched on the k’s, especially the second one. He just looked like he was really pressing.
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved watching Teheran make him look bad.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 10, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB just made it official-Kimbrel to the ASG.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 10, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
and now it's official
Just announced…Craig Kimbrel to replace Matt Cain on NL All-Star roster. Congrats, well deserved Craig!
Congrats, Craig!!
Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 11, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Been a good day to cheer for the Ole USA…first sticking it to Brazil now this.
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Vizcaino
Jurrjens
Delgado
Kimbrel
Venters
Hanson
Minor
Teheran
Embarrassment of young riches.
"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Unlike a rich young embarrassment...
Like say…Pacman Jones.
and pending recovery, Medlen as well, IMO
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a really ugly and embarrassing loss. I hope that our players consider this ass-whupping every day during the AS break and come back with a new resolve.
This team hasn’t seemed able to fire on all cylinders but a handful of times all year, but I think that we can do a lot of damage in the 2nd half if this team can hit a rhythm. But it might be time to start thinking about adding some fresh blood to see if we can spark something. I understand that this isn’t very scientific and doesn’t fit well into the sabermetric thought process but I believe that adding a new dynamic (strong RH bat specifically) could mean wonders. We have all the arms we need in the system and perhaps it is time to convert a high-level minors starter into a closer just for the remainder of the season. It would give him a chance to experience ML baseball while giving our team a much needed arm.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I just want to say....
It really bothers me when someone says they were “embarrassed” by a loss. It’s one game. I can guarantee the players weren’t embarrassed, nor should they be. Mad, maybe, but not embarrassed.
I would much rather lose a game by the score of 14-1 than 2-1. Losing 14-1 is so obviously an outlier that it really shouldn’t bother people so much.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
The only time I'm actually embarrassed
Is when one of our players acts like an asshole. The Fick thing, for example.
"You feel really comfortable with Scotty Proctor in that situation to handle those guys." - Fredi Gonzalez
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 11, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. What I meant is that it was a really ugly loss in the worst way.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I think that they probably were kind of embarrassed. Everytime my team got their ass kicked when I played there was a little embarrassment there, but that is also a great motivator.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I Agree
I have never figured out why managers and front offices haven’t started moving top prospects to the pen for the 2nd half of seasons. It gives the kids some Show experience, gets them used to the stadiums, and they get to learn from some of the veterans with the club instead of (in Teheran’s case) just schooling minor leaguers. Why not use assets if you have them. It does us no good to keep proctor with the ball club if we have such great talent sitting in the minors. Speaking of that, what on earth do we get for keeping Minor in AAA other than a backup for the starters if one goes down. I don’t think he would be the best option to move to the pen, but if we need it (O’Ventbrel can’t play every game) then use what you got. Teheran and Viz would be the best options obviously. I’m with you Gump, sometimes we get bogged down in sabermeterics as opposed to looking outside the box to get us over the hump.
As an aside joke:
I hear the Cards are willing to trade Rasmus, do we dare take another CF from the Cards?
Because you lose half a year of service time and completely change your prospects’ regimens??
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I’m truly not that familiar with service time rules and stuff but surely that wouldn’t apply with an expanded roster right?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Ok So
You would rather give up a chance at the world series by maintaining a guys half year of service time than take the chance in order to hoist a trophy. I don’t know about you, but its worth it to me considering the next few years is going to be rookie filled, working out the kinks of the jump to the majors and only god and Frank Wren know what out outfield/SS situation is going to be like. Oh and changing the prospects regimens for 2 to 2 1/2 months should not truly effect that status as being a starter. If we moved Viz up to the pen, we know that next year he still needs to develop another pitch in the minors, so it doesn’t effect his long term goals of starting with the team, heck it might even increase his value because he would have the experience of the big league club (speculation I know).
I think Gump is right about the expanded roster thing too.
Expanded roster thing occurs after September 1, so in order for them to pitch in the playoffs, they’d have to be up before then (or take the spot of a 60-man DL guy on the playoff roster). If they’re up before then, September then counts as service time.
Also, the 2nd half isn’t just September. You’re looking at ~75 days of service time and a big change to their regimen. Ask elsid what his brother Sherrill’s regimen is like. He’s warming up during every game, and has a completely different training regimen besides. Preparing as a reliever and preparing as a starter are two entirely different things and they are not complementary.
As for the value of a half-year, look at Tommy Hanson. He will have essentially pitched 2 2/3 seasons at year’s end, and will still be playing for < $500K next season. If you start bringing future starters into the bullpen with Teheran, Delgado, et al., you’ve lost that 2/3-free season that doesn’t effectively hurt his FA status. Considering TH, JT, RD, AV could be making upwards of $10-15MM in that last season, having an extra 2/3 of a service year is actually incredibly valuable.
If you’re talking about bringing them up on August 31 so they’re playoff-eligible, I’m okay with buying out a month of service time (although Teheran’s already picked up a month or so of time as is) on one guy, but not several. If you’re talking the entire second half, I’m not comfortable with that at all.
Finally, straw man. I’m not giving up a chance at the world series. This team is perfectly capable of reaching the WS without bringing up unproven players and throwing them directly into high-leverage situations.
The fact that the next few years are going to be rookie-filled is even more reason not to do it. There’s good reason for starting rookies like Freeman and Kimbrel at the beginning of the year so they can acclimate themselves to playing in the majors before competing in the most important games of their newly-minted careers.
Hmm, what else?? For all the throwing that any of these guys would do (and there’s a ton behind the scenes for a relief pitcher), you’re only getting 15-20 IP for that time. That’s two starts worth of throwing for an entire half season. That’s not helping them get their arms accustomed to the workload that a full season of starting will demand. It will end up setting them back in the long run.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...
An interview with a Yankees farmhand and of course…“What was it like to play with Derek Jeter for 2 games?”
UGH!!!
new drinking game for every time they mention ’The Captain;?
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by Kolb-Wickman Effect on Jul 10, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
would never make it to the 10 PM
BBTN
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Sometimes you win, sometimes you win big.
Sometimes you lose, sometimes you lose big. It’s baseball. I am just hoping that this will light a little bit of a fire in these boys going into the second half.
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Anyone watching the Celebrity Softball game?
They have Jason Aldean representing the Atlanta Braves.
no luke bryan?
he could really rake
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
-ChopMaster
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
nice
i think they will replay it a few times over the week
You shouldn’t sip liquor.
-justincredubil02
no, Jack Daniel is whiskey.
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"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Count this one as one of the Bill James 40...
He always said that, at the start of any season, each team knows that there are 40 games that they will win no matter what, and 40 games that they will lose no matter what.
Story doesn’t look good for Proctor, though. After his appearance on June 17 against Texas, his ERA was 2.19. He’s made eight appearances since then and his ERA is now 5.79, giving up 9 earned runs in 6.1 innings over that stretch. He surrendered at least one earned run in five of those eight appearances, and of the other three, two of them were one-batter jobs. He has surrendered home runs in three of his last four appearances, and his WHIP is 1.50.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Imagine if you could count the inherited runners he’s let score in that ERA as well? He’s only on the hook for 4 ERs today, but the scoreboard changed by 8 runs once he was put in. I’ve defended giving the guy every available chance to succeed…but I’m done with that. His ineffectiveness and unreliability are contributing to our Bullpen getting overworked. He needs to get DFA’s by Friday, plain and simple.
He has this disastrous knack of pissing gasoline into a raging fire…
All
of
This
(ok, I got a little carried away there)
by Santaklose11 on Jul 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What you said:
He’s made eight appearances since then and his ERA is now 5.79, giving up 9 earned runs in 6.1 innings over that stretch. He surrendered at least one earned run in five of those eight appearances, and of the other three, two of them were one-batter jobs. He has surrendered home runs in three of his last four appearances, and his WHIP is 1.50.
What I heard:
DFA: Time to cut our losses. He might be a nice guy and teammate, but he’s not an effective MLB pitcher anymore, and while I don’t wish bad on him personally, I no longer want him employed by the Atlanta Braves.
some good news
Braves Martin Prado is scheduled to take 2 days off, then resume rehab Wed, Thurs w/AA Miss Braves. All goes well, return Friday vs. Nats
Great news...
He will be playing next to Pastornicky, which might be the left side of our infield in 2013…
Idk about you guys
But i have missed Prado, it has seemed like forever since I have seen him, I have almost forgotten what it feels like to see a reliable right handed bat in the lineup, and to have that confidence that something good is going to happen when he is at bat
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
However
Prado was totally freaking me out what with leading the majors in GIDPs before he got hurt.
Lived in AZ when i signed on, but that was only for nine months. Had a southern mom, and lived in NC for many years, watching Braves on TBS. Live in Oregon now.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jul 11, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Another 3 pitch walk today in the Angels/Mariners game.
That’s two times recently that’s happened. WTF is wrong with these guys? The umpire and the scoreboard operator, I understand. But the pitcher and catcher? Doesn’t your strategy have anything to do with the count? Greg Maddux disapproves.
i was sad
Then I started watching Arrested Development. Now this game is a distant memory. That show is a cure all.
by splatoutofluck on Jul 11, 2011 1:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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